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September 20, 2016

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lyle

http://www.wsj.com/articles/experts-see-no-single-explanation-for-lone-wolf-terror-attacks-1474396268

Don't any of you rubes be thinkin' you can outsmart the "experts."

the deplorable buccaneer morgan

they seem to follow the squirrel theory, ignoring the elephant in the room,

daddy on iPad on the exercise bike

Breaking NEWS!
Bombing suspect Rahami captured with notebooks on his person that praise Islamic Jihad and terrorism.

Talking Head reporter Smith: "What do you make of that Security expert Jones? What does that tell us about his motivations.

Security Analyst expert Jones:. " Nothing at all. Can you tell me tho' whether they were notebooks made out of recyclable materials, or were they non-Eco Friendly notebooks?"

Talking Head reporter Smith:. "I'm advised they were recyclable, and I can also report that his pen was not a disposable, it was a refillable Eco-friendly pen! Does that tell you anything?

Security Analyst Expert Jones: " It tells me that there is a very strong chance that he was motivated to do these bombings as a consequence of this country that he loves so much refusing to sign on fully to the Paris Accords and the United Nations Global Warming Initiatives."

Talking head panelist Rivera: "If Icould break in a minute here Smith. Security Analyst Expert Jones, can you tell us if the explosives in his bombs were organic compounds, or whether they were artificially engineered explosives?"

Security Analyst expert Jones:. "Organic all the way, Rivera. This guy was as Eco-Friendly a bomber as they come."

Talking Head Reporter Smith: "Just as we here at Clinton Campaign Headquar..., err we here at ABC, NBC, CBS! CNN, PBS and MSNBC suspected all along. In other breaking news Donald Trump called for "RACIAL" profiling today.


the deplorable buccaneer morgan

but the two minute hate must go on,

http://www.weaselzippers.us/296338-hillary-clinton-vows-to-speak-directly-to-white-people-to-stop-racial-police-shootings/

lyle

What's really sad, daddy, is that your "breaking news" dialogue is perfectly plausible.

Jane

Wasn't an important part of the #NeverTrump argument that he can't win?

I hesitate to get into this argument, but, no, that was never part of the Never Trump argument, at least for NR.

And Jealousy was sure as hell never part of the argument either.

Trump is not a conservative. He's a populist. And more a democrat than a typical republican. The objection was a refusal to support a person who is not a conservative, because their entire brand is conservatism.

I sense a softening, but I won't know for sure until after the election.

The one thing I will not ever get is the hatred for people who disagree with you when in fact, at least at one time, they shared your values.

the deplorable buccaneer morgan

the fool from the former show me state chimes in,


http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-09-20/senate-republicans-see-brighter-prospects-for-keeping-majority

Beasts of England

At this point, I'm beginning to think that Hillary is a stalking horse for Trump!!

DebinNC

Wow, Hillary is really desperate to get black votes. Those quotes are truly bizarre imo.

the deplorable buccaneer morgan

most of these people in the house that buckley built went for mittens over gingrich, despite the fact, that choice, checkmated the campaign, with masscare, so I don't think they are that wise,

Beasts of England

They directed the hatred at us, Jane.

Beasts of England

And Trump's positions are to the right of their sweetheart Jeb's.

Marlene,Wicked Deplorable

Howie Carr has been talking about the Tsarnaev brothers and the similarities between them and the NJ jihadist. His diary supposedly mentions the Tsarnaev brothers.
Howie asked,"where is his brother when you need him,oh yeah,he stabbed him!"
Howie was referring to Tsarnaev the younger running over his brother.

lurkersusie

John Boehner joins DC lobbying firm

Laura Ingraham
Laura Ingraham – Verified account ‏@IngrahamAngle

SHOCK OF ALL SHOCKS! https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/778312021729284096

the deplorable buccaneer morgan

there was overreach on both sides, but who has the megaphone of magazines, anchors, et al, who have the ear of the press, this is the part of the equation that is underestimated,

trump had savage, ingraham, breitbart affirmatively in his favor, rush trying to strike a balance, and everyone else against,

the deplorable buccaneer morgan

that's not even a full renault, tigers got to go tiger,

Miss Marple 2, Deplorable and Proud of it

This is a fascinating film by Egypt telling how Sisi ended up as president. I am sure there is a little bit of PR in this but it does give a good account of the events with lots of shots of the crowds that I hadn't seen before.

Bonus at the end where they detail all the new BUILDING PROJECTS that Sisi has accomplished and has planned for the future. I bet he and Trump hit it off when they met!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0_-BH40fXM

boris

"... hatred for people who disagree with you when in fact, at least at one time, they shared your values"

Hatred? no.

Anger at betrayal maybe.

Round here it has been the nevertrumpers and their defenders that apparently perceive simple disagreement toward anti-trump vitriol as personal attacks.

Of course [mis]perceiving simple disagreement as personal attacks could result in false accusations of "hatred" so ...

DebinNC

John Boehner joining a lobbying firm can't be true, because here he is, front and center, with Eric Cantor clapping on the right and my tomato can clapping on the left beside Kevin McCarthy. This must be true because that group pic is still on the official U.S. House Republicans website today under "About".

Miss Marple 2, Deplorable and Proud of it

Kevin Williamson personally attacked me as a moron on Twitter when I asked him not to attack Trump supporters.

It wasn't about conservatism with him, regardless of what some of the others may have thought.

-peter

I wonder what the post debate journo list focus group test phrase will be? Trump bullied a courageous sick lady? He was rude? Overbearing? Merciless? Mean spirited? Nasty? Impolite? She powered through? She held her composure in the face of illness? Can't wait for the spin

Miss Marple 2, Deplorable and Proud of it

If he presents himself as he did today at the High Point rally he should be immune from charges of bullying.

Sundance on CT says he always owns the downside.

I am also reminded of Mark Steyn's column back in 200.

Who won the debate? Gore

Who are you voting for? Bush

the deplorable buccaneer morgan

I guess he's speaker emeritus, actually they don't care to do the slightest due diligence on the site,

Tom R

Conservatives always shoot themselves in the foot in presidential elections by insisting on applying a conservatism purity test. If their candidate isn't deemed an ideologically pure conservative based on their own interpretation of what it means to be a conservative, many will foolishly just sit out the election.

Before there were NeverTrumpers in 2016 there was a NeverRomney faction and a NeverMcCain faction. The roles have largely switched and the Pat Buchanan types who refused to vote for Romney or McCain are now fully in Trump's camp while the Establishment/neoconservatives who got Romney and McCain nominated refuse to support Trump.

Its almost like the different factions within the conservative movement consider the opposing conservative faction more of a political enemy than their opponents in the Democrat party.

Beasts of England

I hope you saved that tweet, Miss Marple!! I'd have the thing framed. :)

Jane

Tom,

You have it more right than anyone else.

DebinNC

I can't remember an election in which a Democrat faction refused to support their nominee, except 1968 when Vietnam kept some from voting for Johnson.

the generalisticly deplorable rich

I suppose that Williamson clip I posted on the other page written the day Trump announced was unpersuasive.

The "intellectual conservatism" as practiced by the nonprofit 501c National Review is a loser. The best part of this election has been exposing all the corrupt frauds claiming to be conservative.

DebinNC

I meant "the memory of Johnson" kept some from voting for Humphrey.

the generalisticly deplorable rich

Posted by: Tom R | September 20, 2016 at 05:00 PM

>>>Conservatives always shoot themselves in the foot in presidential elections by insisting on applying a conservatism purity test. If their candidate isn't deemed an ideologically pure conservative based on their own interpretation of what it means to be a conservative, many will foolishly just sit out the election.<<<

I'm sure that's why Mr.47%, the best candidate who could win, lost. I seem to recall the Uniparty going out of their way for Sen Cochran and letting those wanting new representation told to sit down and shut up.

DebinNC

Iirc McCain and Huckabee worked together in 2008 as a 2-man NeverRomney faction. In 2012 I was definitely a "Please, Lord, not Romney" member and watched in horror as he won by being the last man standing. He was never a consensus choice imo with his Bain Capital stint, MassCare push, and imo his vain, superior aspect while publiclly uttering the most politically suicidal and clueless expression in election history - "47".

Beasts of England

Good point, rich.

~ ~ ~

I don't remember NeverRomney or NeverMcCain. Did the National Review publish an entire issue against either of those candidates? If not, then I'm not seeing the equivalence...

Old Lurker

Jane "The one thing I will not ever get is the hatred for people who disagree with you when in fact, at least at one time, they shared your values."

Jane, the passion, I would not call it hatred, is because those who disagree with the never-trumpers believe very very strongly that the country might well never recover from four or eight more years of the post-constitutional, open borders, collectivist world vision of Hillary and her allies. In an election that might well come down to 1 or 2% in one or two states, the bad mouthing and open attacks by those "pure conservatives" might very well result in the exact opposite of conserving anything.

In addition, their "we can wait through Hilary then it will be our turn for a REAL conservative" appears reckless given the downside and therefore seems to support the suspicion that they are really just part of the establishment that has done all this, just a different chapter of it.

Finally, any way you slice it, they lord their intellectual and moral superiority over everyone else even though they have never demonstrated any reason to hold them in that light.

Is that a fair summary, guys?

Skoot

"...notebooks on his person that praise Islamic Jihad and terrorism..."

He probably brought back the crib notes on how to mix the HMTD too, cause if he still had 10 fingers somebody taught him first hand. No way he learned it through experimentation.
And momma fled to Turkey weeks ago, She probably bought the pressure cookers and ingredients.

Another colossal f*up by the G-men.

Beasts of England

Were Romney or McCain supporters regularly called 'rubes' at JOM? Guess I forgot about that, too. Yeah...

Beasts of England

Very good, OL.

DebinNC

Sounds right to me, OL, except maybe the last paragraph. I'm not familiar enough with the NR peeps to know if they're haughtily "lording over" or sincerely "warning".

Beasts of England

Were McCain and Romney supporters routinely called low-intelligence and uneducated like Trump's are from the majority of the so-called conservative media? I forgot that, as well...

The Infamous Ignatz

I await the various magazine articles and covers that recorded these NeverRomney and NeverMcCain campaigns.
Conservatives dutifully held their noses and voted for those two squishes.
Now when a guy with proposals not noticeably different from either, except he's better on several items, and who refuses to be squished pops up, suddenly the two squishes, a bunch of other squishes and a bunch of conservatives get the vapors for various reasons, none of which make a lick of sense.

Old Lurker

George Will, Deb.

DebinNC

Did Romney or McCain have supporters here until they became nominees? The only Romney fan I remember is Sara from CA, and I don't remember anyone liking McCain.

Beasts of England

They're on the side of the Angels, DebinNC. If you don't know, just ask - they'll tell you just how special they are. You can hardly look in their direction for the blinding light of purity.

Captain Hate

Trump wasn't my first choice or second either; that was Walker, Cruz and add Fiorina. But they lost to someone who ran a much more effective, albeit unorthodox, campaign. And he's doing so now.

Assuming Tom is right and a lot of conservatives sat out 2008 and 2012, I don't recall any of them being used in Zippy's ads as a lot of high profile NeverRomneys.

jimmyk

The objection was a refusal to support a person who is not a conservative, because their entire brand is conservatism.

This is going over old territory, but that stance made more sense prior to the nomination when Trump had more conservative opposition.

I genuinely don't get the "conservative brand" argument when it's a choice between two candidates one of whom is clearly far to the left of the other. No one will look back and say "You aren't a true conservative because you supported Trump," given that we have a choice of Trump or Hillary. The conservative brand is not at risk from supporting the less leftist of two candidates.

And Jane, I'm not arguing with you, I know you are only trying to explain the NR view. When I referred to the "He can't win" aspect I wasn't thinking specifically of NR. I accept your assertion that electability wasn't part of their calculation.

DebinNC

I can't remember far enough back to a time when I didn't find George Will insufferable.

the generalisticly deplorable rich

>>>Is that a fair summary, guys?

Posted by: Old Lurker | September 20, 2016 at 05:25 PM<<<

Better than what I could write. The quibble I would have is that the open borders, collectivist world vision is little different between Hillary and the National Review. Maybe some modest adjustments in corporate taxes and less gross corruption with Jeb, but it gets us to the same point. I would argue that the critical election was probably 2008 but that bit of navel-gazing is unproductive. Not sure how one were to unravel the past 8 years: Iran is flush with cash (thanks to a GOP Congress); North Korea has a working bomb (so much for that Asia pivot); and the Middle East is a roaring dumpster fire (a bipartisian consensus of bombing them to weakness then inviting them here). Tack on a weak economy, the slow motion disaster of Obamacare, and a seemingly insatiable urge to import ever more of the Third World, I just don't see what the practical fixes could be.

DebinNC

Amen, Ig. You nailed it.

Old Lurker

Deb "Did Romney or McCain have supporters here until they became nominees? The only Romney fan I remember is Sara from CA, and I don't remember anyone liking McCain."

Not many had either of them as their first choice prior to their nomination. But I suspect everyone here voted for them and sincerely hoped they would win once it came down to us or them.

Hell, I don't think anyone here had Trump as their first choice either, not by a long shot.

That's what is so different this time.

Tom R

I don't remember NeverRomney or NeverMcCain. Did the National Review publish an entire issue against either of those candidates? If not, then I'm not seeing the equivalence...

The criticisms of McCain/Romney largely came from Buchanan's paleoconservative faction of the conservative movement so The American Conservative would be the magazine you would find the NeverRomney/NeverMcCains. Also, a lot of evangelicals sat out the 2012 election because Romney is a Mormon.

Bottom line is a lot of the conservatives claiming if you don't vote for Trump you are helping Hillary win sat out the 2008/2012 elections themselves an helped Obama win.

Beasts of England

The NR crew hyped the 'he can't win' position constantly. Although I guess they've given that up in the last few days; Williamson, French, and Goldberg published it fifty different times between them.

the generalisticly deplorable rich

Tom R-

>>>Also, a lot of evangelicals sat out the 2012 election because Romney is a Mormon.<<<

This is false.

boris

"we You can wait through Hilary then it will be our turn for a REAL conservative" appears reckless given the downside and therefore ...

Piss me off when they volunteer me and mine to suffer through another 8 years of cultural descent into sh!t.

If they are okay with that then fine, don't vote for Trump. When they parlay significant influence to bring that about ... that strikes me as hostile action.

Pissed off is not the same as hate.

Beasts of England

So you're saying American Conservative versus NRO, WSJ, and every other so-called conservative publication? Not a good analog.

McCain and Romney lost because they were horrible candidates. McCain was and is an insufferable dick, and Romney because he was and is a wimp.

Old Lurker

Tom, that might well be true about stay at homes. But that was $10 Trillion in debt back, 30 million in foodstamps back, tens of millions no longer in the work force back, Trillions in lost economic activity back, and when the US Military was strong and Iran did not enjoy a clear path to the bomb using US money we gave them.

Times change but not, apparently, to Never Trumpers.

Old Lurker

5:46, last sentence.

Where Beasts hits the nail squarely on the head.

:-)

Skoot

It's now confirmed in Tulsa, Crutcher had PCP in the car and the car was running in the middle of the road. Dude was high as a kite and a serious threat.

Related, list of teams I compiled that had protesting players: Denver, Eagles, Rams Titans, Miami, 49ers. I ain't watching them no more.

Beasts of England

If McCain were fat, I'd have said a wimp and a blimp. :)

Beasts of England

PCP? Calling Rodney King! Rodney King to the Reginald Dwight courtesy phone.

the generalisticly deplorable rich

I'm going to reopen this food fight and get Beasts ready to pounce. Maybe Theo can come by to lend support.

this link here is a start

http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2015/11/26/myth-4-million-conservative-voters-stayed-home-2012/

Trende did an extensive 4-part series looking at the 2012 turnout drop.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/06/21/the_case_of_the_missing_white_voters_revisited_118893.html

Beasts of England

Damnit it! Meme fail. It was Reginald Denny not Elton John. Ugh. ;)

Beasts of England

I was only arguing the racial demographic, rich.

boris

"might well be true about stay at homes"

Maybe some people somewhere else ...

Even then would it make them hypocrites and would not discredit "if you don't vote for Trump you are helping Hillary win".

So what is Tom trying to say there?

That NeverTrumpers are being unfairly picked on?

DebinNC

Dude was high as a kite and a serious threat.

And that's the hill HC has chosen to die on? Did she know the facts and committed to Crutcher as BLM Poster Boy anyway or did her desperation for black votes drive her to a sit-down with black tv host Steve Harvey before the facts were in?

Deplorablejim

Beasts,
You might have to repeat that call for Rodney. I believe he's in the pool for a swim.

Beasts of England

lol, Deplorablejim!!

the generalisticly deplorable rich

It has been one of those undying bits of convention wisdom that it was "conservatives" or "evangelicals" that stayed home in 2012. Romney did better than McCain, but not enough to close the deal.

DebinNC

Very interesting, rich. The South supported Romney, despite the prevalance of evangelicals.

the generalisticly deplorable rich

DebinNC-

All the voter groups that the Uniparty would like to blame for Romney's failure did their duty and voted for the wimp. All the GOP and National Review needed to do was go out to Loudoun County VA (Obama 51.5% 2012) to figure out what went wrong. It is only about 25 miles as the crow flies from their DC offices too. Loudoun County also has some great bars and restaurants (some real dumps too, but that is for another day).

Deplorablejim

I don't care what excuse any so-called conservative #nevertrumper uses. The fact that they are willing to not just sit on the sidelines, but actively campaign against their candidate (read as vote for Hillary) does not compute at all logically. They should just come out and say they are voting for Hillary then go DIAF. We can survive 4 years of Hillary? Horse hockey

anonamom; formerly adorable, now deplorable

Jane, it's not hate, it is utter disgust at their ignorance, their arrogance and their frankly adolescent behavior in doing anything that would support the Ds winning the election, and the resulting appointments to the SC, which will be the demise of rule of law.

At least that's it for me.

Basically, grow up. We KNOW he's not 'conservative." But he's also not a corrupt leftist.

Jack is Deplorable! (And Irredeemable)

Every time I see and hear Obama speak I feel more insecure and its not the Gabapenten i have decided to take at a low dosage level. It works and then that specious asshole shows up with his transformational vision that is so damn foreign I want to go and throw up.

I blame Trump or Bush or Reagan or Kennedy who was POTUS when Barack Hussein Obama was born alledgely in Hawai'i.

/Over to you TK

rse

I know trump is not a conservative. After all I coined 'least worst' back in january.

What I have found though is most of the NR reporters are also tied to think tanks that bill themselves as 'conservative' or libertarian for donation purposes but advocate policies that are anything but if you read the fine print and what the actual reports advocate.

It's truly disgusting how much cato or aei, as examples, partner with the center for american progress or brookings. I am holding my fire on what trump is putting in place in education until after the election, but he would be horrified by the agenda of those on his transition team. I am not speculating either. Most are people I have questioned in person because there rhetoric did not align with the facts.

Porchlight

Iggy, I went back and read Decius's Flight 93, Response to Flight 93, and the interview.

Some of the criticisms from the interview (it's too long to go into the other two):

"It is not that Trump really understands or has thought deeply about the Constitution"
"No, Trump clearly likes to be a star, to be the center of attention, he’s clearly—if not a narcissist—something in that vein."
"He’s said disturbing things about the First Amendment and he is a litigious man, and that is troublesome. "
"A Lincoln who fully understood his mission on an intellectual level is I think very rare. I would actually not even give Washington or Churchill the same credit. And certainly not Trump."
"I’ve read troubling things about Trump’s character so I don’t dismiss those concerns." [goes on to describe Obama's character as "sterling"]
"He’s a showboat and a ladies’ man and I gather he has done some shady things in business."


Etc. He then goes on to mitigate some of these criticisms, or at least to make clear that Hillary is worse.

But mainly his thrust seems to be that Trump has unwittingly blundered into the positions Decius likes (because clearly Trump isn't thinking intellectually about them) and is succeeding despite his many flaws. At no point does Decius enumerate any other specific positives that Trump embodies.

He reads to me like a bit of a snob - someone who has come around to some of Trump's positions, but gives Trump no intellectual or moral credit for them or for anything else.

Don't get me wrong, I think his analysis of Trump's conservative opposition is brilliant. Still think he's missing quite a bit of the larger picture, though.

Pagar a bacon, ham and sausage supporter

I would like to readdress this quote from Hillary that she wants to wait for facts befor talking about something like the bombing.
The American public has been waiting for years to find out the facts about the murders in Benghazi. Hillary knew or should have known those facts at the time. She put out a line of BS at that time and continues to this day to provide nothing truthful. If anyone is waiting for facts on any subject from Hillary IMO, you will wait for ever

Red Light Challenge

Didnt many agencies have massive IT reviews and hardware reconfigurations while clinton ran DoS?

jimmyk on iPhone

I've mentioned before that I knew conservatives who voted for Clinton in '92 to make a statement about Poppy Bush's violating his "read my lips" promise. I didn't agree, but at least after 12 years of R rule one could be forgiven for thinking the country could handle a D administration, and future R nominees would get the message. But neither of those turned out to be true. Eight years is a long time and the dynamics are always changing. Clinton essentially gave us 9/11 me the roots of the financial crisis, and we've had a succession of not very conservative R nominees. So what lesson was learned?

And that was in the best of circumstances. Now after 8 years of Obama we can't afford to slide further. We don't have the luxury of worrying about the brand.

the deplorable buccaneer morgan

they jump to conclusions, when it comes to law enforcement confrontations so hard they have shin splits when it comes to the ummah, (the world wide islamic community) it's squirrel time,

the deplorable buccaneer morgan

case in point:


http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/09/20/clarion-ny-suspects-mosque-linked-subversive-islamist-group/

there were fewer flags at the general assembly today, then this guy had,

Jane


Anonamom, think of it like this:

Let's say you (or someone) is a Christian and does not believe in gay marriage. I have a gay business partner and best friend who is gay, married, and the best parent I've ever seen. No matter what I say - that it would be horrible for her kids if she wasn't allow to marry, that she is just like you and me, that she is one of the best people I've ever known, and a true conservtive, that will not change something you believe in your heart. Because you believe it with all your heart. It's part of who you are.

Now I could spend my life attacking you for your beliefs or I can simply accept them, and still love you for who you are.

The Infamous Ignatz

I'll take your word for it and not reread the Flight 93 essay, Porch.
The sense I get from him is that he is a true, old style, Reagan/Russel Kirk conservative and who thinks Trump is not or at least cannot be trusted to be.
I have those same trepidations myself I must admit.
I suspect he considers Trump to be on probation given his history and will be willing to give him more credit should he govern as he has campaigned.

Porchlight

conservatives who voted for Clinton in '92 to make a statement about Poppy Bush's violating his "read my lips" promise.

My dad was in that group. He regretted it.

There was a lot more ruin left in the country then than there is now.

Porchlight

The sense I get from him is that he is a true, old style, Reagan/Russel Kirk conservative and who thinks Trump is not or at least cannot be trusted to be.

Doesn't he specifically call out Kirk in the interview?

It's not that I don't agree with some of his criticisms. It's that they are expressed somewhat predictably and uncharitably, and that he won't give Trump any credit for the stuff he does like. He's glossing.

He does say that he's not much of a campaign guru, but if he's not observing Trump's campaign, what is he observing? The campaign is all there is.

Jack is Deplorable! (And Irredeemable)

If you don't think Fox News has pivoted to the left then watch this Brit Hume show replacing Great. Now where is my remote.

The Infamous Ignatz

--Now I could spend my life attacking you for your beliefs or I can simply accept them, and still love you for who you are.--

The thing I'm having a hard time with is which direction you think that is going Jane.
I have seen a whole lot more vitriol flowing from the nevertrumpers to the Trump supporters. It is then returned, with interest, but I don't see a whole lot of original nevertrumper bashing occurring in a vacuum.

If the nevertrump crowd ever respectfully made a case for their position that didn't include the most amazing calumnies of either Trump [and by extension his supporters] or of Trump and his supporters directly.
The fact is if you criticize a guy as a tyrant and fascist and a Hitler and insane and all the other hyperbole you are making an extremely derogatory comment about his supporters by extension.
You can't expect someone to toss roses in your direction if you're flinging poo at them.

Now there are some of these fringeier alt right goons who toss the cuck thing around offensively but there are none here and few elsewhere except for tiny, influence-free blogs and magazines. No major magazines or blogs that I'm aware of have tossed around the kind of vitriol major conservative places like NR, WS, etal have.

 Skeptical Voter

Donna Brazile and President Obama.

Which one is Dumb, and which one is Dumber?

It's a tossup.

Jack is Deplorable! (And Irredeemable)

...Great = Greta....natch.

The Infamous Ignatz

Couldn't think of any other old style conservative so tossed in Kirk even though I think he did say something critical of him. Guess I will have to go reread it.

Beasts of England

Hillary cancels another campaign appearance. This one in the hotly contested North Carolina. She's toast...

daddy

"Vote for the most Conservative candidate that can win, and pick up a copy of my brand new magazine, National Review, at News Stands everywhere!"

henry the deplorable

It's that rope-a-dope strategery Beasts. Except the dopes are Soros & Steyer.

Beasts of England

If weakness is this rope, she's storming to the front, henry. :)

Jane

"I have seen a whole lot more vitriol flowing from the nevertrumpers to the Trump supporters. "

Not me. Why exactly do you think so many people have left JOM, the majority of whom are voting for Trump?

anonamom; formerly adorable, now deplorable

Jane, I do understand that they define themselves--not to mention earn their living--by their beliefs regarding conservatism.

What has earned my disrespect is their failure to see that they are not just cutting off their nose, but shooting themselves--and me and my family!-- in the abdomen by enhancing HRC's chances of winning.

The math of the SC could not be simpler than it is this year.

I didn't get in to it here when it was at its peak, and haven't followed what they wrote then, or much since, so I can't comment on specifics.
I have truly become someone who will vote R--Trump--even if he kills TWO people on 5th Avenue in broad daylight, which saves me all kinds time. That, even though he was my 17th choice. It's just how I roll.
I am #NeverD, as deplorable as that may make me.

btw, for the record--I know you were just using it as an example, but as I do live in NC--my husband, our two young children and I were the only family members to attend his youngest sister's commitment ceremony many many moons (and three partners) ago out of her seven siblings, her parents, her aunts and uncles. And her brother is bi (why do I have to know that?) and my niece became my nephew almost a decade ago now. Both my kid's best friends from high school are gay.
My support for HB2 here in NC--which will be rescinded as soon as the CLT City Council rescinds the bill compelling bathroom and locker room use to anybody who wants access--is all about keeping the pedophile old guys out of little girls' locker rooms. And let me tell you, most every old girl I know had some creepy neighbor, uncle, or friend's older brother in her childhood. There are lots of creepy old guys out there, and I've had the horribly sad experience of being involved in the care of the results of their perversions.

As the Panthers said in their statement, we assume trans people have been using the bathroom of their choice for years, and please, continue to do so.

Beasts of England

That's pure bullshit, Jane. Ignatz and I pointed out plenty of examples of the vitriol aimed at Trump supporters last time we had this debate. Quit trying to re-write verifiable reality.

Beasts of England

And maryrose told us no one had left JOM. Which one is it? Pick one and stick to it.

DebinNC

I can see why Hillary wouldn't want to start her "Hey, white people, listen up" tour in NC.

The Infamous Ignatz

These all seem pretty complimentary, Porch, even if they also contain criticisms;

The truth is that Trump articulated, if incompletely and inconsistently, the right stances on the right issues—immigration, trade, and war—right from the beginning.

Yet, among recent political figures—great statesmen, dangerous demagogues, and mewling gnats alike—only Trump-the-alleged-buffoon not merely saw all three and their essential connectivity, but was able to win on them. The alleged buffoon is thus more prudent—more practically wise—than all of our wise-and-good who so bitterly oppose him.

Trump’s vulgarity is in fact a godsend to the conservatives. It allows them to hang their public opposition on his obvious shortcomings and to ignore or downplay his far greater strengths, which should be even more obvious but in corrupt times can be deliberately obscured by constant references to his faults.

Jane

"What has earned my disrespect is their failure to see that they are not just cutting off their nose, but shooting themselves--and me and my family!-- in the abdomen by enhancing HRC's chances of winning."

I understand that completely.Trust me I've had a lot of conversations about that with them. And they are also hurting their income, with NR and as talking heads. You bring someone in who is pro Hillary and someone who is pro-Trump. There is no use for someone who is opposed to both.

The only positive thing is they pretty much all vote in NY where it won't have an impact.

My gay analogy had nothing to do with you, and everything to do with my life and beliefs. I know you understand that. You do have an interesting family!

daddy

As an aside on the NRO topic, I mention again my current favorite, Dennis Prager, who I have been transcribing a lot lately.

He is great friends with Jonah Goldberg, Ben Shapiro, Bret Stevens, Rich Lowry, Andy McCarthy, etc. It is very evident, he does not hide it, and he mentions it on almost every show at some point, since the topic of #NeverTrump continually arrises as the Election nears.

Prager is a non-beligerant, and when pointedly asked by callers to have on #NeverTrumpers Michael Medved or Jonah G, etc and once again hash out the issue, Dennis says he is at the point that he no longer challenges his good friends on it, as he doesn't want it to devolve into anger and regret. He apologizes for that bit of weakness in himself, but says that is how it is. I feel for him. But he does reiterate this constantly:

He says that the people he mentally respects at NRO and elsewhere, who remain #NeverTrumper's, must not think that we are in as serious a situation as a country as we are, in order to be able to remain #NeverTrumpers. He blatantly states that you cannot be fully aware of how damaging the Left is to this country and not vote for Trump. Period.

Either they do not recognize the danger we are in, which is excusable but almost unbelievable, or they do recognize the danger we are in yet have chosen to ignore it for other reasons, which is inexplicable.

I think he is exactly correct.

Jack is Deplorable! (And Irredeemable)

In case you are following the Bradxit.

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