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September 17, 2016

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Threadkiller

Trump was not a Politician

It is important to remember that the "are you a birther" line of questioning was a form of The Knockout Game that the press dumped on anyone they perceived as a threat to the Democrat way.

Trump, like every other unsuspecting interviewee, did not bring the subject up. He was asked and he answered.

They then went for the knockout and swung at air. He showed the same tenacity then that he is showing now.

Huck is right about the difference and he could go a step further. Bill and Hil, as politicians, brought up the birther theories to advance their own agenda. Trump, as a private citizen, was asked about birther theories to advance someone else's agends.

clarice

Thanks, jmh--I did read it.

I don't recall him vouching for Comey. but after he vouched repeatedly for Fitzgerald, his character reference would make little difference to me,

Comey's hitherto connections to HSBC, the CF money laundering bank ir raising my eyebrows and his latest stunt--putting even the unclassified emails they retrieved in a safe room in the Senate suggests to me that he has much to hide.

As you might guess by know, I'd trust my life to my smart and honest handyman and trust no one in govt with anything at this point.

Threadkiller

Thank you, Barbara.

Buckeye

Bama just got robbed and are in some trouble.

Somebody call 911 for Beasts, he will be having a coronary about now.

Porchlight

Lovely post at 4:55, Barbara. My whole life I have dreaded the eventual loss of my parents, but have also been inspired by the strength with which they endured the loss of their own parents. Your words help. Thank you.

clarice

*Comey's hitherto undisclosed connections*

daddy

Jack,

I used to stroll the house with the babies in my arms listening to Bach and Mozart and especially Copeland's "Appalachian Spring" over and over and over again, but mainly Bach. I think Bach is brilliant even at ages prior to speech, making connections in a kids minds and making them smarter and able to concentrate on long term things. I think it eventually helped their math skills. That may be my version of an old wives tale, but when I kept the TV off and played Appalachian Spring, they dug the entire thing over and over and over again and never got tired of it.

daddy

Off to the Gym. Need to be fit and clean for my date with Ann Coulter tonight.

Jack is Deplorable! (But At The DNC I am 0)

Ole Miss missed a big bullet there. Have to empathize with 'Bama on that TD. Bad miss by the refs on the hit on Hurts.

Jack is Deplorable! (But At The DNC I am 0)

Off to our end of summer cocktail party at the Southampton Historical Museum.

Cheers!

Porchlight

daddy, Appalachian Spring is my all-time favorite. I thank my folks for placing it in my life at an early age.

Truthbetold5

Clarice

Are you acknowledging you got Plamegate wrong?

Threadkiller

Is it racist to question Cruz' BC?

The problem with Cruz was that no one questioned his Canadian roots and the supporting documentation he provided.

;-)

I probably wouldn't have mentioned Cruz. A more apt comparison, IMO, would have been the racist, anti-war hero attack on McCain's birth circumstance.

"Well, Magpie, it's the connection to Central America. The suggestion is that he was born in Panama, not born in North America, and that's where they bring the racist..."

Janet S.

it strikes me that he deserves a round of applause from all of us, both sides of the political aisle, for finally getting that weasel to belatedly do what he should have done years earlier.

Exactly.

and I agree with squaredance about the lameness of this attack.

Who cares.

Why doesn't the MFM ask Barack Obama why HE claimed to be from Kenya in his book bio. Ask Barack...or is it racist if he's from Kenya? It doesn't make any sense.

MaryD

What is heartening to me is the fact that Hillary and her Brain Trust have tried several gambits that I believe they thought were brilliant (the Basket of Deplorables, the Birther nonsense, the racism charges, etc.) and each one has proven to be the equivalent of an exploding cigar that redounded on her campaign in a catastrophic way.
The big change this year is that (thanks to Trump)she is fair game for ridicule. I love it.

Buckeye

Speaking of music's beneficial effect on babies, Jr. spent 3 months in an isolette in the NICU, most of that time on a ventilator.

During his whole stay we had a Walkman in the isolette with a supply of cassette tapes, all classical, mostly Bach. The nurses were very good about keeping the tapes going.

Without starting an argument about nature vs. nurture, he seemed to benefit and was noticeably less agitated than many of the other premature infants.

Like daddy was mentioning about his girls, Jr. has always had a gift for long periods of intense concentration.

Maybe it was the music.

Threadkiller

The incorrect understanding of the eligibility requirement that has been foisted upon us since 2007 is that the birth place is of no importance.

Constitutional scholars unanimously agree the location of birth was never an issue and never will be when it comes to Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces we were told.

So, I ask, who cares if he was born in Kenya?

How does something that is completely irrelevant become both controversial and insulting?

squaredance

"Bach wrote primarily in B minor and sometimes in F minor."

I cannot tell if you are joking here, but it is not true factually at all.

(see here to get an quick understanding; the list incomplete on keys information for some reason--but it gives you an idea.) Not sure this matters at all at this point in his education, but it is not true.

For larger instrumental groups Bach tended to write in the "whiter" major keys and their relative minor keys, which was a standard practice of the time. This was probably because of the nature of the instruments of the time, particularly brass and winds, but also, to a degree, bowed instruments; the keyboard works are all over the place. Famously, one of the key points of his championing "well tempered systems was that one could write in any key, and modulate to any key. Few composers prior to Bach wrote in so many different keys.

incidentally, Vivaldi had a profound influence on Bash in his 20s and early 30s; he actual noted this in is surviving papers.

If you have not heard of it, Christoph Wolff's excellent Johann Sebastian Bach: The Learned Musician is a just delightful presentation of his life and his work, the world he lived in, and his historical legacy. Often biographies of composers are disappointing, but not this one, and it keeps a wonder balance--professionals and the general public would both enjoy it. It is by far the best of the Bach biographies of the last 80 years or so, maybe the best ever. It gives you a real insight into the music, something which many biographies of composers often fail to do.


Beasts of England

Down by seven sounds really good! ;)

Buckeye

Hang in there Beasts!

JM Hanes

squaredance:

"Who is this aimed at?"

It's part of the "otherizing" of Trump, along with anyone and everyone else who ever objected to anything Obama has said or done. Obama has worked overtime to keep the story alive all these years because it's a perfect twofer. Birtherism is held out as the ultimate in both tinfoil hattery and bigotry. We've got yer crazy racist dog whistle right hyar! That's why the Clinton team are so desperately trying to wash their hands.

Oddly enough, however, while keeping the story alive might have worked for Obama, I don't think the media's full court press to clear Clinton's name is helping her at all. In fact, doesn't Tapper's flat out acknowledgment of the Clinton's attempted "otherizing" campaign sound a lot worse than a bit of birthering?

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Beethoven's 6th is also another nice introduction.--

Concur.
Serene and accessible.

squaredance

"making connections in a kids minds and making them smarter and able to concentrate on long term things. "

Of course it does. There are actually studies on this, but it is just common sense.

We who love music should be thankful that Bach chose the path of Music, but it is my feeling that if he had not he still would be an historical figure--perhaps a great scientist, mathematician, or, most probably, theologian. In his late teens he was perfectly well qualified for entrance to a University, an astounding accomplishment for someone of his social rank; had he found a sponsor, he well might have gone, and music might have been much the poorer for it. But he did not, so music it was. We should be grateful.

JM Hanes

squaredance:

"Famously, one of the key points of his championing "well tempered systems was that one could write in any key, and modulate to any key. "

Am I wrong in thinking that the Well-tempered Clavier does, in fact, include a piece written in every key?

clarice

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439982/hillary-clinton-e-mail-scandal-fbi-fix-was?

Miss Marple 2

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/09/16/sources-tens-of-thousands-of-files-from-clinton-blumenthal-computers-available-on-deep-web/

Posting this here because I know nothing about the Deep Web, which sounds like the fourth dimension or something.

daddy on iPad at the Gym

Bob Gates: Trump is 'beyond repair'


Just starting catch-up on the exercise bike and came across Miss M's early morning link to Gates dumping on Trump in that editorial.

The more I see what guys like Bob Gates say about Trump the easier it gets for me to vote for him.

Threadkiller

Birtherism is held out as the ultimate in both tinfoil hattery and bigotry.

Held out by whom?

The disappearing JOMers? The coward Romney?

This ultimate play by clever Obama didn't stop Trump's rise.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

It is held out as that by progs.
Those conservatives who call it tin foil hattery seldom seem to engage in the bigotry argument, although there have been instances of that, which is especially egregious from other victims of the race hustler lies.

Miss Marple 2

HA! My neighbor has put out a Trump/Pence sign!! YAY!

And YAY is what I said when I drove granddaughter and her goofy girlfriend over to her house.

I told granddaughter I wouldn't put up a sign (not my house and daughter is probably votoing Hillary).

However, am considering putting an "I agree with her--------->" sign on our front fence.

clarice

JMH, my 5 :51 is McCarthy attacking Comey.

Miss Marple 2

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/296470-trump-stumbles-after-surge-in-polls

I don't think he's stumbled, but the media says so. Whatever.

daddy on iPad at the Gym

The use of the Les Deplorables image at that rally is WHY Trump has such loyalty.

He doesn't dismiss the bloggers and web site people as being "non-professional." Instead, he embraces them and uses their ideas. This is something I haven't seen before but is consistent with his character as a team builder, which was on display when he opened his hotel in DC.

Miss Marple,

That is what drove me crazy about Reince Priebus back when he would appear on Dennis Miller's Radio Show during the 2012 Mitt Campaign, and Dennis would come up with a ton of catchy, funny slogans and ideas and Reince completely blew him off. That's when Reince lost me and when Dennis flung his hands up and gave up. Your point is great. What a pleasure to see someone finally appreciate and take advantage of the great ideas floating around out here in Middle America, and ballsy enough at the same time to cut the umbilicle chord to the monied elites.

Makes me wonder who finally was able to pound some sense into Priebus's head.

daddy on iPad at the Gym

I should have read your next comment before posting😉

I cannot think of a more miraculous transformation, except maybe Reince Priebus, who has gone from sounding like a boring insurance salesman to someone giving great and impassioned speeches.


Great minds...

lyle

JMH, you are correct that Bach wrote The Well Tempered Clavier to write music in every key. But he considered E flat the "Trinity key" because the key has three flats. Not sure how he felt about A major--three sharps.

Centralcal on iPad

Greetings JOMers! Have much enjoyed the dicussion of Classical Music.

Fast forward to not so classical, but I just loved Trumps use of Les Miserables theme music and that fabulous banner Les Deplorables - please pronounce with a proper French accent!

Way cool and fun. Just perfect for a media in melt down mode.

Ta Ta for now, little ol' deplorable me.

Janet

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Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Nice to see you, CC. :)

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Lyle, should Janet have used a semi colon there?

Janet

my posts are disappearing.

Miss Marple 2

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/09/17/unbelievable-centcom-command-admits-mistake-u-s-break-cease-fire-in-syria/#more-121792

US broke the cease fire! Seems to have helped ISIS, if I am reading this correctly.

lyle

I think an ellipsis was indicated, Ig. 😬

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Mine did that a few days ago Janet and it was ones without links.
Then it just stopped.

Janet

don't know why...not long, no links

Threadkiller

Elizabeth Warren gets STUMPED @ Ohio State

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3470467/posts

Hahaha

Janet

Hah! lyle. Typepad got fed up with my ellipsis.

squaredance

JMH: Actually, each book of the Well-tempered Clavier has two pieces written in every key: a prelude and a fugue, if one counts them as separate pieces. Since there are two Books (written some 20 years apart), that makes 4 pieces in every key. This was, ostensibly, Bach's whole point in writing it: He wanted to show that the power of the new tuning system, and the point is not just that a composition can be in any key, but that inside a composition new modulations were possible, and these could be to any key. Before this tuning certain modulations where impossible due to the grating dissonances they imposed. This was the first work in history that had peices in every key, though there was a earlier practice on publishing fugues in all of the 7 modes (Pachebel famously did this, for example.)

To me, the Well-tempered Clavier is one of the great masterworks of our history, and in any art. I am constantly amazed by it. It encompasses all of Bach's contrapuntal art, his keyboard flair and all that had gone before him. It has in it some of the most deeply touching music Bach ever wrote. The sheer effort on the exceedingly high quality of the writing is astounding, considering that it was mostly a didactic work.

Sadly, it was not published in his life, like most of his work , but somehow it survived. We know that the young Mozart encounter it, and we can see a change in his technique when he "discovers" Bach, and surely the WTC was part of that. By the time of Beethoven, it was a regular part of keyboard education, and we know that Bach played and studies the WTC in his teens. Its influence on his later work is as profound as it is obvious.

In tandem with The Art of Fugue we have the most extraordinary presentation of deep emotion, spirituality and the most masterful tonal counterpoint.

As Beethoven said of Bach: "Not a brook, but an ocean".

Porchlight

Hi centralcal! I admit I don't know Les Miserables at all. Not the book or the musical or even the story. I guess I'm missing out, huh?

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Ellipsis always sounds like a fey homosexual saying ellipse.

Janet

pt. 1 Went to a local festival today for about an hour & a half & wore a Proud Member of the Basket of Deplorables t-shirt.

Janet

pt.2 - 3 people said they liked it!
Saw one other political shirt & it was a Hillary for Prison t-shirt (on a young guy)

Janet

pt. 3 - No Hillary gear except at the Dem. booth.
The End

anonamom; formerly adorable, now deplorable

Jimmyk, good to hear Christopher Hitchens from the great beyond via the article on the Lewinsky smear attempt Blumenthal tried to get him to participate in re: Senate impeachment hearings you linked to.

Lord, deliver us from evil.

squaredance

and we know that Beethoven played and studies the WTC in his teens.

squaredance

The comments on that link at The Hill are pretty amusing.

jimmyk

Often biographies of composers are disappointing, but not this one, and it keeps a wonder balance--professionals and the general public would both enjoy it.

That's on my shelf but haven't had a chance to read it. I've read a few bios of Mozart, some better than others but all fascinating, and it was bio of Verdi that clued me into the musical world of pre-unification Italy--also fascinating though the bio itself was otherwise kind of dry.

lyle

Who you callin' a fey homo? 😎

Manuel Transmission

Stop the presses, I've found a fairly good article at SciAm. LUN Fits right in with the bright kids discussion.

From a personal standpoint the two things that hit me were grade skipping and spatial perception.

Also interesting the things they chose to measure long term success by, such as patents and (STEM) PhDs.

DebinNC

CSPAN live: September 17, 2016 at 7:30 ET

Congressional Black Caucus Foundation Dinner President Obama and Hillary Clinton deliver remarks at the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation dinner in Washington, D.C.

maryrose

I always liked Schumann's Spring Symphony,
Appalachian Spring especially "Hoedown" and hThe Nutcracker Ballet music for kids.

maryrose

Mozart is my absolute favorite .

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Been reading and commenting occasionally over at neoneocon and I find that talking to nevertrumpers is kind of like talking to progs.
There is a language called logic or common sense that they don't speak and so when you make the obvious Russian roulette or Flight 93 election arguments it's not that they hear and disagree; it's that it just doesn't compute.

squaredance

Paul Johnson, of all people , has a great new Mozart biography out (2013, I think). I highly recommend it--just wonderful. What breadth Johnson has, and how well he appreciates our civilization. How wonderfully he writes about it. It heartened me to discover he was such a Mozart fan, as I enjoy his political and historical writing so much. It is wonder that such a cultured writer has his head on straight and is so fearless.

Mozart seems to attract more biographies than does Bach, at least good ones. Perhaps Bach is more work. The events of Bach's life are not so "exciting", particularly if one is not a believing Christian; one has to really get into the work, and yet get to the truth of it with out being too technical if one is to reach the general music lover. Then there is the deeply felt faith of Bach for modern writers to deal with. It seems to frighten a great many away, though it is not clear that this is a bad thing. (Of course, in technical writing, Music Theory, Musicology, and etc, one could fill a building with works on Bach, but not so biographies, at least in English.)

BTW, the conductor John Eliot Gardiner recently publish a Bach biography and as history it is terrible. He interjects all his one PC nonsense, and his is about as PC as they get. He even tries to claim that Bach was not deeply religious, and was some sort of "bad boy" when he was young. Typical PC piffle. Its chief value is his discussion as a conductor of the Cantatas--I found this part very useful and worthwhile. So if you pick it up, beware.

If you have not approached Bach though biographies before, I would read Wolff, and then read Gardiner. If you do you will see what I mean.


Threadkiller

Speaking of which:

http://neoneocon.com/2016/09/17/on-the-flight-93-election-article/

squaredance

"Been reading and commenting occasionally over at neoneocon and I find that talking to nevertrumpers is kind of like talking to progs."

Exactly.

buccaneer morgan

I tried some of that some weeks past, geoffrey britain, who I've known from another blog that went moonbat, and artflg (sic) try to explain but to little avail,

buccaneer morgan

got to catch that bio, of course 'eine klein musik' is the opening to trading places, I had that analogy between mozart and salieri, out of the recently departed peter shaffer's work, re trump and the top men,

henry

Narciso, eine kleine nacht musik was also the intro to the old NFL highlight reels.

Met and Talique, Inc  (Also known as le compania)

Plame? 🎣 Where? 🐣 💁 Our understanding was she's currently close advisoring clinton and other lame duckers on global domination strategy and psychic disorderings. She getting someone else shot up 💉 again? Hey maybe she had someone in benghazi file or in russian spy file2?
⛳ Probably for the spaced alien reptilians evolution gmo'ing feed upon us creatures to ruin free range humans2.

buccaneer morgan

and another copland classic, was the opening to the wide world of sports, back in the 70s,

JM Hanes

squaredance:

That's really fascinating stuff. It's hard to imagine a world without Bach, in particular, isn't it? There's so much music, and so much that moves us both emotionally and physically, that we take for granted. I was once talking to a well known basket maker who opted for life off the grid, which included actually living without electricity. My first thought was how awful it would be to live somewhere without being able to hear to the music I love. Pretty hard to give up the modem too, of course.

One of the best series on music I've ever watched/heard was Rhythm of Life put together by music producer Sir George Martin (of Beatles fame, among others). I'm pretty sure Part 3 is where I picked up the Well-tempered Clavier factoid. I saw it on the Ovation Channel, but I have never been able to find it on DVD anywhere. I finally located all three episodes (two of them subtitled in Spanish!) on YouTube. The quality is not great, but the range of musicians he talks to and about, past and present, from Bach to Stewart Copeland is amazing. He devotes each episode to one of the three basic elements of music:

Part 1 Rhythm
Part 2 Melody
Part 3 Harmony

There's a fair amount of intro in Part 1, so folks who get impatient can fast forward 10 mins. or so. It gets more and more interesting as he digs into specifics. If nothing else, I bet no one can guess what they're listening to in Part 1 at about the 19 minute mark.

I've always thought that even otherwise idiotic celebrities can be fascinating when they are talking about the nuts and bolts of their profession, and Martin is very good at drawing such observations out of them. At least it seems that way to someone like me, with what is basically a non-technical understanding music

buccaneer morgan

the ironic thing about scary larry, is the first time I heard of him, as a 'fmr state department' official, the evening of twa 800, he may have actually called that story right, according to cahill, he has since committed multiple category error,

buccaneer morgan

I say he might have, in spite of himself, what made me think of that was nelson demille's john corey, taking up the case, the ending of which you'll find one of those shymalan twist,


http://m.jpost.com/Opinion/Twilight-of-American-Jewry-467862#article=

buccaneer morgan

ballard at 12;31 pst

http://patterico.com/2016/09/16/trump-hey-lets-expand-medicaid/#comment-1928107

squaredance

That was Fanfare for the Common Man

BTW, I knew Copeland and took some lessons with him in my teens,

I enjoyed him quite a bit--he did not have an ounce of pretension in him.

If you do not know, Copeland was gay. Occasionally I have heard scurrilous rumors about Copleand and his younger students. I can tell you that that is a bunch of nonsense.

His music is standing up well, I think. It is still played quite regularly and in mainstream venues too. Most of his pears are rarely heard, and when they are it is in some sort of "New Music" context.

squaredance

sorry, Copeland should be copland...need to get m glasses.

Deplorable Momto2

I admit I don't know Les Miserables at all. Not the book or the musical or even the story. I guess I'm missing out, huh?

Yes, you are missing out, Porch. My school does the play every four years and it is a wonderful story of compassion,forgiveness, and redemption.

There is the latest movie version with Hugh Jackman and Russell Crowe which is pretty good - $3.99 on Amazon streaming.

buccaneer morgan

that's wonderful, squaredance, I wouldn't have guessed both are powerful pieces of music,

Stew and Dent, Co.

Well, Val and Joe🍌 did visit💉 ELH just before was found dead🔖 Maybe it was just un'n and slipped. Patternesque

buccaneer morgan

edward lee howard, you lost me, (irony I'll admit)


https://twitter.com/alimhaider/status/777282635789848576

of those kasparov I respect even when he happens to be wrong, applebaum, well you know the drill with her,

Beasts of England

That was relaxing...

buccaneer morgan

there were a fair number of 'nuking from orbit' today,

Where's Sue?

Wow! Look at Patterico's latest. Maybee is on the thread and mentions tsK9 and has a link to a recent post from Scary Larry. Larry admits he was a big conduit for Sid Blumenthal.

Beasts of England

I'm not at all surprised that we have so many classical music lovers here at JOM. It's brain food.

Miss Marple 2

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/09/17/joy-reid-not-true-that-republicans-passed-civil-rights-for-african-americans-that-democrats-opposed/

Apparently you can have the IQ of a turnip and still have a YV show.

squaredance

JMH: I will look at your links later. Thanks.

JM Hanes

clarice:

Thanks for pointing me to Andy McCarthy's article. Seriously depressing stuff. I just wish I thought the Chaffetz hearings were any more likely to amount to a hill of beans than any of the other investigations the Republicans have undertaken in their during their congressional majorities.

buccaneer morgan

the second link has no sound, because of copyright question,

reid is 'resist we much's understudy, figure that taxonomy don't you,

lyle

Sorry, buc. The opening to Trading Places is the overture to The Marriage of Figaro.

buccaneer morgan

well as is my want, I took the long view, and I've seem the clinton, through hot prosecutors and investigators, like starr and burton to cold like fiske and clinger, have been mostly unscathed,

lyle

Well, I'm blown away. squaredance knew Copeland?!?!?

sbw

Porch: I admit I don't know Les Miserables at all. Not the book or the musical or even the story.

For goodness sake, stay away from the movie. Amateur hour.

You could look at some of the anniversary concerts. They follow the original. Beautifully done. We must have seen about 6 different productions. Our kids loved it, even at an early age.

Porchlight

Wow, squaredance, that is remarkable re: Copland. My ringtone of many years is from El Salon Mexico.

sbw

Sorry, Momto2, we shall have to agree to disagree about the movie. I like Hugh Jackman, but I. do. not. like. the. abuse. of. the. score.

JM Hanes

buccaneer:

Did you use the link I posted, or go to Part 2 from a link on the Part 1 page? The sound is muted in the Spanish substitled version of Part 2 which carries the copyright advisory, but it should be fine in the alternate version I linked to in my post.

Beasts of England

squaredance took lessons from Copeland? That's very cool...

buccaneer morgan

thanks for that,

buccaneer morgan

he has a droll sense of irony,

https://twitter.com/alimhaider/status/777227238731243520

Centralcal on iPad

I am in sbw's camp. See the Les Miserable anniversary concerts. Have tissue on hand when you do.

lyle

My former gay bil, himself a piano major, and his partner always took great glee in pointing out how many prominent musicians, actors, artists, et al, were gay. Copeland was his fave composer even though Copeland didn't write very much, if any, solo piano music. I, of course, defer to sq to correct my if I'm wrong.

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