Compounding Confusion

The NY Times scores a telephone interview with Donald Trump and delivers a second paragraph that is utterly cryptic but has some real newsiness to it. Here we go fro the top:

Donald Trump Opens New Line of Attack on Hillary Clinton: Her Marriage

By PATRICK HEALY and MAGGIE HABERMAN   SEPT. 30, 2016

Donald J. Trump unleashed a slashing new attack on Hillary Clinton over Bill Clinton’s sexual indiscretions on Friday as he sought to put the Clintons’ relationship at the center of his political argument against her before their next debate.

Mr. Trump, aiming to unnerve Mrs. Clinton, even indicated that he was rethinking his statement at their last debate that he would “absolutely” support her if she won in November, saying: “We’re going to have to see. We’re going to see what happens. We’re going to have to see.”

So what does it mean that he was "rethinking his statement at their last debate that he would “absolutely” support her if she won in November"? Let's start by going back to the debate transcript, where the question was about supporting the outcome of the electoral process, not the other candidate:

HOLT: One of you will not win this election. So my final question to you tonight, are you willing to accept the outcome as the will of the voters? Secretary Clinton?

CLINTON: Well, I support our democracy. And sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. But I certainly will support the outcome of this election.

And I know Donald’s trying very hard to plant doubts about it, but I hope the people out there understand: This election’s really up to you. It’s not about us so much as it is about you and your families and the kind of country and future you want. So I sure hope you will get out and vote as though your future depended on it, because I think it does.

HOLT: Mr. Trump, very quickly, same question. Will you accept the outcome as the will of the voters?

TRUMP: I want to make America great again. We are a nation that is seriously troubled. We’re losing our jobs. People are pouring into our country.

The other day, we were deporting 800 people. And perhaps they passed the wrong button, they pressed the wrong button, or perhaps worse than that, it was corruption, but these people that we were going to deport for good reason ended up becoming citizens. Ended up becoming citizens. And it was 800. And now it turns out it might be 1,800, and they don’t even know.

HOLT: Will you accept the outcome of the election?

TRUMP: Look, here’s the story. I want to make America great again. I’m going to be able to do it. I don’t believe Hillary will. The answer is, if she wins, I will absolutely support her.

Obviously, Trump gave a bit of a bum answer. Although we retain the concept of a Loyal Opposition, no one expects Hillary to support the policies and legislative proposals of President Trump, nor did she promise to do so - she appropriately indicated, talk being cheap, that she would accept the outcome of the election with grace.

Trump obviously should have stuck with something similar. His phrasing, "if she wins, I will absolutely support her", is ludicrous on the face of it. We certainly hope he will support the outcome of the process but we also hope and expect him to fight Hillary's likely policies and judicial nominees with at least the vim and vigor she and other Democrats would oppose him.

So now he is re-thinking a poorly phrased response. Meaning what? Lacking an interview transcript I have no idea whether he hinted that he is planning to fight an election result he already thinks is rigged, or simply made the obvious point that he will applaud politely during her inauguration but almost surely oppose most of her policies, although he is "going to have to see".

The Times seemed pretty excited in the second paragraph but not excited enough to come back to this. That makes me guess they want their readership to guess the worst but don't have the scary quotes to back that up.

Whatever - there is no chance of honest reporting from the Times over the next seven weeks.

Comments

[henry the deplorable]

Sadly, no other MSM outlet will be any more honest than the NYT over the next 7 weeks (or centuries fwiw).

[anonamom; formerly adorable, now deplorable]

Nobody where I live reads the NYT but me, and I rarely do any more.

Femall, as OL says.

Go Blue! Beat those Badgers.

[Pagar a bacon, ham and sausage supporter]

Wasn't it 1932 or something that the Times was telling us how great communism was? Of course they have gone down hill since then.

[rse]

henry-I am struck with all the references in materials from meetings of the well-connected we are not invited to on how this election is to create a new paradigm of governments at all levels going forward.

There is a belief we are all now to be subjects without that reality supposedly being recognised. The something is wrong is fueling support for trump while the media senses we are close and wants the transformation to go forward with hill's minions in charge. Trump is fully capable of recognising he is being fed a false narrative and to rebel against what the uniparty wants.

[Porchlight]

Whatever - there is no chance of honest reporting from the Times over the next seven weeks.

Months, years, millennia...

[henry the deplorable]

So many people I talk to are completely happy with government expanding. Especially among the well connected. These people are too comfortable, they fear competition, so happily support anything that rigs the game on their behalf.

[Buford Gooch]

The soft bigotry of low expectations. "Those people can't survive in the real world, We must have government support them." "In open competition, those people can't match up. We have to have the government intervene in outcomes."

[Deplorable Momto2]

henry - we can all thank the Lord our ancestors did not share that selfish attitude!

These people are too comfortable, they fear competition, so happily support anything that rigs the game on their behalf.

[Barrels of Squid Ink.]

The Old Grey Whore: All the News That's Left to Print.

[Deplorable Momto2]

Official Team Trump ‏@TeamTrump 2m2 minutes ago
WOW!

Since Conventions: Trump has had 337,995 at rallies. Hillary has had 13,970.

TWEET US your Trump Rally pics!

(attached is a photo of a *huge* crowd at the Sept. 30th Michigan event)

[anonamom; formerly adorable, now deplorable]

henry, your "well-connected" need to read some French history.

[Deplorable Momto2]

This is a pretty cool from the Ryder Cup. A fan was heckling, shouting that he could have made the 12' put that Europe team missed (during practice round.) So - he got a chance to prove it and win $100.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/ryder-cup-heckler-wins-100-bet-making-putt/story?id=42468609

[jimmyk on iPhone]

"Wasn't it 1932 or something that the Times was telling us how great communism was? Of course they have gone down hill since then."

Like in 1943-44 when they didn't consider the Nazi death camps particularly newsworthy

[BR]

Hmmm, I once enjoyed the most delicious squid ink fettucini with scallops in a creamy sauce and a delightful mixed green salad with ripe strawberries and brie with a honey walnut dressing :)

[Frau Rutger Gefahrfeld]

kim, I always thought of her as the Old Grey Slut. You are correct. She is definitely a whore.

[maryrose]

Hi Frau:
So good to hear from you!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Good afternoon!

Spent 3 hours down at the old house boxing up and throwing away. My ruthless retail manager sister helped me and so did my daughter. I have yet another Jeep load of stuff to take to the auction house tomorrow. Also, we filled on trash bin completely full.

I am way tired and dirty, so will rest here a minute and then do stuff around here.

Myself, I don't think Trump should accept the outcome of the election if he has definitive proof they are rigging the electronic voting machines, something I have worried about for years. He should say he will accept it if they go to paper ballots in all states, counted in public view in the place where they were voted and not transported elsewhere.

[Captain Hate]

For whatever reason, maybe the recent rain producing poisonous toadstools, there have been a lot of Curb Dive/Goof lawn signs popping up in the usual lib strongholds.

[the generalisticly deplorable rich]

still pretty empty here with lawn signs.

[Captain Hate]

Wasn't it 1932 or something that the Times was telling us how great communism was?

Walter Duranty denied the famine in Ukraine, for which he received a Pulitzer which the Shitberger family never renounced. They also downplayed the Holocaust. Just a horrible fishwrap run by disgusting people.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Captain Hate,

It seems that some years the dems hold their signs until late, hoping to demoralize GOP voters.

It's all the plan to say "See, there isn't vote fraud! Hillary has LOTS of support!"

I trust nothing adn hope Trump can overcome the obvious fraud headed our way.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

How did the Clintons make $100 million?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdLywm_IXDU&feature=youtu.be

[JustTrustJOM (except that space alien reptilian guy -obviously gov hack)]

American media, like CNN, has gone nuts. No one tajes seriously their reporting, particularly CNN. All's they have left is Wolf. It's all government, Ddm, propoganda and it's obvious. Mosf foreigners, like russia and china, can't believe it took this long to wake up. The media propoganda has spilled over to government mistrust and cops shooting a lot of unarmed people abd shen it's a clean shoiting we're doubting the cops too. Propaganda gone wild....🐸✔

[Common man]

There was little chance of honest reporting out of the NYT last week last month and last year as well. Some things never change.

BTW while wandering around the farmers market in Bloomington Indiana this Am I saw no one registering at the Leafue of women voter booth. And the Democrat party booth was like the Maytag repair man too

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Common man,

Grandson is at IU and is voting Trump!

[space alien reptilian guy]

Ignore me at own risk.

[henry]

Not many signs here. My neighbor's "Hillary for Prison" sign got stolen last weekend.

[BeenThereDoneThat]

Look at media ownership - Just think what would happen if mainstream media CEO's and program directors were all replaced with wise authentic journalists and broadcast professionals who valued truth, honor and country over political parties and payola.

[henry]

BTDT, do the latter category exist? Or are they our form of unicorn?

[maryrose]

About 5 Hillary signs in Rocky River.
Some Trump and I have mine in my window.

[maryrose]

Henry:
Sadly we no longer have an impartial media.
C-Span quoted Jefferson and Adams before their election and there was some very bad insults exchanged between the two of them.

[BeenThereDoneThat]

Sadly, they seem to be hiding out somewhere, Henry. If the Trump Kids could start-up their own print & broadcasting dynasty featuring the OPPOSITE of what we now have, wouldn't that be a fine kick in the pants to the old corrupt media!

I know...Unicorns.

[anonamom; formerly adorable, now deplorable]

The Chicago Way: Extortion

http://www.wsj.com/articles/obamas-political-bank-run-1475275928

[henry]

Anonamom, that strikes me as part of a larger tit for tat pillaging of everything. Remember the Apple tax raid by the EU? And today the Drudge headline that Google is next to be raided (EU anti-trust). This is the global governance "utopia" the planners so desire.

[BeenThereDoneThat]

I hope Trump has a very studied & smart reaction to the extortion story.

[Michael (fpa Patriot4Freedom)]

Posted by: Frau Rutger Gefahrfeld | October 01, 2016 at 02:00 PM

Frau - Good to see you here again.

Wo sind Sie gewesen?

[Frau ich huste nicht mit Frau Clinton]

Having double trouble with TypePest and my computers today.

Hi maryrose and Michael.

We just returned from 3 weeks with family in Germany. We answered all Trump questions with a detailed 30-year history of the Clinton Crime Family.

The German media use all the carpy Trump photos we see here. As Larry Elder sez, "Coincidence? I think not!"

Family live around the Cologne-D'dorf area. I spent three full days in the Wesel city archives and one in the Nordrhein Westfalen state archives in Duisburg.

[Jim Eagle]

Yeah, Frau, where were you? I didn't read about an ex-professor of nothing being run down so it can't be jail.

Back from our visit to Chaminade. If -peter shows up I need his opinion of Chaminade and St. Anthony's since they're in his neck of the LI woods. But talk about traffic. Whoa!

[maryrose]

JIB
What did Frederick think of Chaminade?

[anonamom; formerly adorable, now deplorable]

from WSJ comments on Ms. Rabinowitz's op-ed re: the race yesterday

Harlin Smith 2 days ago

I am a "deplorable."

I deplore liars.
I deplore corruption.
I deplore socialism.
I deplore treason.
I deplore healthcare terrorism.
I deplore doubling the national debt.
I deplore what the Democrats have done to the black family.
I deplore home servers used to cover criminal activities.
I deplore dependency.
I deplore open borders.
I deplore global warming Luddites.
I deplore cover-ups.
I deplore the Clinton Crime Family Foundation.
I deplore that she stole White House furniture.
I deplore the corrupt FBI.
I deplore the corrupt Justice Department.
I deplore the Corrupt Gestapo-like IRS.

I am deplorable...

[JeanD]

Frau, great to see you back! Hope it was a wonderful trip.

The German media use all the carpy Trump photos we see here. As Larry Elder sez, "Coincidence? I think not!"

This is something that has been bothering me on the cable channels for months. As I sample across them, I notice that CNN, MSNBC, and FOX all use the same photos of HRC and DJT when they show polls.

HRC is wearing a magenta jacket, has super blonde hair, a bright smile, and is facing directly at the camera. Needless to say, she looks young, festive, and fabulous.

DJT is shown in partial profile, glancing at the camera with a big "used car salesman" grin.

Now, I know that media outlets "unexpectedly" depict the candidates with a flattering or unflattering photo depending on their slant, but how is it that all 3 major cable stations magically use the same pair of stock photos for their "unbiased" poll reporting?

Has anyone else noticed this?

[maryrose]

Wow
TCU on fire!
Baylor- great comeback

[maryrose]

Jean D
Yes I have noticed and my hope is that slips like Hillary trashing Bernie voters reach the mass media level.

[maryrose]

Tennessee coming back on Georgia.

[maryrose]

Battle Royale between Michigan and Wisconsin.
Am I the only one watching college football?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

JeanD,

Nothing surprises me, but I haven't watched cable news in about 2 months.

I DO notice that the web sites like WaPo, Politico, NYT, etc. always use pictures of Trump shouting with a mean look on his face.

Not unexpected, as they did the same thing with W whenever they could. They were foiled by the fact that W didn't take a bad picture, and eventually resorted to running video and stopping it when they got a good goofy look.

[Porchlight]

Hi, Frau! Great to see you! Sounds like a wonderful trip!

[henry]

Yale 3, Harvard 3. Into overtime. (Soccer)

[maryrose]

Anonamom:
Excellent post!

[Buckeye]

Maryrose

I am watching Michigan-Wisconsin. Darn good game.

[WorryAboutTheRealOnes(Fakir)]

A reptile might sneak up on you and scratch you or take a small bite. Unlike bedbugs or mosquitos there toxin are stronger in the gut and saliva. It will then follow you for days until the poisons make you weak and immobile. It then eats at leasure, alive.🎃🎁 Others then show up too...

[Janet S.]

from On This Day Oct 1, 2012 -
Newsbusters article about CBS/Norah O'Donnell

"Behold our media - "On the issue of the upcoming debates, O'Donnell asserted, "We already know he [Romney] has high negatives - perhaps, a likeability problem."
She later asked if "we will see the competitive President Obama...or will we see the cool, constitutional law professor?""

[maryrose]

Janet
It is systemic the bias and the personal insulting lies.
They will not succeed this time.
We are on to them now and will expose the unfairness.
Tennessee just scores a touchdown!

[MaryD]

Janet, hilarious quote from NO'D in 2012.
Does she still have a job?

[MaryD]

Janet,I'm actually asking because I haven't turned on a TV in about a year.

[maryrose]

MaryD
Unfortunately yes.
I saw her on a recent daytime show.

[clarice b. for Brainiac]

Norah's so dumb when she first started out in TV she was unable to pronounce words of more than 2 syllables.

[Jim Eagle]

maryrose,

Chaminade is impressive. Maybe a little intimidating for Frederick but he can deal with it. New Science building under construction. Expect the next life saving bio chemists or solar explorers to come out of there. He will be in his element.

Thanks for asking.

[Art in Newport]

Touchdown Michigan!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Trump tally, Manheim, Pennsylvania, live stream:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY89pjXa-EUR

Coverage starts at 7PM eastern.

Check and see who the warm-up speakers are. Sometimes they are local officials, sometimes it's high energy people like Guiliani and the General.

Word on Twitter is that he will quote Hillary's "basement dweller" comments and make a play for the Bernie voters.

[anonamom; formerly adorable, now deplorable]

Go Blue!

[anonamom; formerly adorable, now deplorable]

MM, thanks for the link for Les Deplorables t shirt. I love mine.
I thought it was red, but it's actually cranberry--even better for my skin tone.

[MaryD]

JiB, Chaminade was a highly regarded school back in the 1950's when my brother and I were Catholic HS students on LI. Our family's finances just didn't run to the Chaminade costs, so we wound up with scholarships to other places.

Very best wishes to Frederick!

[Art in Newport]

Interception - Bad break for Wisconsin ... that could be the ball game

[buccaneer morgan]

Congrats Frederick

of course, they don't draw any conclusions from this,

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/782236663531601921

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

First speaker up is some congressional candidate. I think I will use this time to open a bottle of wine.

[Deplorable Momto2]

I think I will use this time to open a bottle of wine.

I'm having a nice red wine right now with my pad thai shrimp. Lifting a glass to wish a huge win for Trump in 37 days (also celebrating my birthday - so my wish as I blow out my candle will be a secret but maybe you can guess.....)

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/splash/debate-contest/

New video on home page, which looks to me like it might end up being an ad.

[Jim Eagle]

On my 2nd glass of Talbot chardonnay. USA. USA. USA.

Waiting for the warm up of our Flounder stuffed with Crab. Then I will feel filled.

Football? Really?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Marlene,

RSBN on the live thread said there will be a rally in Maine next week.

[Texas Liberty Gal]

MM - Wow! That video is awesome!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Amish at rally!

(Picture too big to post here.)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ctt-ohYVYAA8vY4.jpg

[Deplorable Momto2]

If that isn't an ad we should insist that it become one!

Anyone else see the end of the Ga/Tenn game? And I thought the Auburn/LSU ending was amazing last weekend ~ Wow!

[Stephanie Deplorable Beeotch]

Insane wasn't it momto2? Totally insane.

[maryrose]

What an ending to the Tennessee Georgia game!
Happy Birthday Momto2!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

This rally is, I belive, in Lancaster County. I think Trump is here because the Amish need in person campaigning, as they don't have TV or internet.

I read that the campaign already has billboards up in the county.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Happy birthday, Momto2!

I am having a glass of wine, too.

[Free James D!]

Happy birthday, momto2!!!!!

[Deplorable Momto2]

Yes, it was Stephanie! Everyone needs to go see a replay of the last few minutes. A rollercoaster ending and the Tennessee quarterback is from Ga. (Alpharetta high school) and an outstanding young man. He is studying Aerospace Engineering while playing football in the SEC for goodness sakes!

[Marlene]

MM,we've been in the western Maine mountains in the Jeep for two days and we just got back from dinner. I quickly read the headlines and Trump will be in Portland on Thursday.
I'm all Jeeped out! We had 180 Jeeps from 17 states and not one political bumpersticker! The weather was cloudy and cool today,but the foliage is changing quickly,just beautiful!

[MaryD]

Happy Birthday, momto2! Have another glass bof wine!

[Marlene]

Happy Birthday Momto2! Today is hubby's birthday also! We've been going on the Jeep trip on his birthday for 10 years.

[henry]

Happy Birthday momto2!

[buccaneer morgan]

happy birthday, momto2,

[maryrose]

MM
The Amish helped put George W over the top against Kerry in Ohio in 2004

[maryrose]

Tennessee quarterback was articulate and praised his teammates in the interview afterward.

[Stephanie Deplorable Beeotch]

Happy Birthday momto2!

Now who to pull for in the Louisville Clemson game??? Decisions, decisions.

[buccaneer morgan]

the brainslugs of ceti alpha 3 are clearly responsible,

http://www.upworthy.com/70-members-of-star-treks-cast-and-crew-just-wrote-an-epic-anti-trump-letter

[Buckeye]

Happy Birthday Momto2!

[sbw]

Star Trek cast and crew?

What am I supposed to do? Sh-t?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

buccaneer morgan,

It's mostly the new ones.

Shatner isn't on it. He has more sense than that.

[henry]

Shatner's a Canadian anyway.

[buccaneer morgan]

if anyone has violated the Prime Directive, it's red queen,

[Michael (fpa Patriot4Freedom)]

Momto2 - Hope you're having a Happy Birthday, you 'deplorable' birthday girl, you ! /s

Enjoy your wine . . . and hope you weren't rooting for UGA's football team.

[buccaneer morgan]

I guess it's surprising the persecution is so light, but it's still early,

http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/10/alabama-chief-justice-suspended-over-directives-on-same-sex-marriage/#comments

[Buckeye]

Pulling for Louisville, haven't forgotten the Orange Bowl couple years ago.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

The RSBN feed guys point out that NONE of the networks have this rally on their live feed, and also noted the huge amount of negative stories on their news feeds, which seems to be coordinated.

They also point out that the networks have been messing with the feed, cutting off important parts of appearances that would be favorable to trump.

I still think Trump should have his own video team to cover the rallies and appearances to post later so that his words are not "interpreted" by reporters who count on there being no video available.

[Captain Hate]

This is a huge game for Dabo.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

ANd, right on cue, the live stream has been interrupted on all 3 channels I check.

[Captain Hate]

Is there anything more small time than the Klempsun entrance?