WTF?!? The Times Engages With Reality On Guns

Weird - the Times actually looks at mass shootings (alternative definition) to try and glean some lessons about how effective our current gun laws are and how they might be changed.

Early on they serve some surprising takeaways:

Still, an examination of high-casualty shootings emphasizes not only how porous existing firearms regulations are, but also how difficult tightening them in a meaningful way may be.

The New York Times examined all 130 shootings last year in which four or more people were shot, at least one fatally, and investigators identified at least one attacker. The cases range from drug-related shootouts to domestic killings that wiped out entire families to chance encounters that took harrowing wrong turns.

They afford a panoramic view of some of the gun control debate’s fundamental issues: whether background checks and curbs on assault weapons limit violence; whether the proliferation of open-carry practices and rules allowing guns on college campuses is a spark to violence; whether it is too easy for dangerously mentally ill or violent people to get guns.

The findings are dispiriting to anyone hoping for simple legislative fixes to gun violence. In more than half the 130 cases, at least one assailant was already barred by federal law from having a weapon, usually because of a felony conviction, but nonetheless acquired a gun. Including those who lacked the required state or local permits, 64 percent of the shootings involved at least one attacker who violated an existing gun law.

Of the remaining assailants, 40 percent had never had a serious run-in with the law and probably could have bought a gun even in states with the strictest firearm controls. Typically those were men who killed their families and then themselves.

Only 14 shootings involved assault rifles, illustrating their outsize role in the gun debate. Nearly every other assailant used a handgun. That is in line with a federal study that concluded that reviving a 1994 ban on assault weapons and ammunition feeding devices that hold more than 10 rounds would have a minimal impact, at best, on gun violence.

Obviously we will have no trouble finding table-pounding progressives who will insist that if a bitter and divisive national debate that turns our gun laws upside down can save even one life it will be worth it. And I don't think for a nano-second this story will change the Times editors position on, for example, an assault weapons ban.

The Times holds out a slender reed for those progressives:

But there were also cases in which victims arguably would have lived had they been in a state with tighter firearms restrictions, because it would have been harder for their attackers either to get guns or to carry them in those circumstances. That includes several of nine attackers who were dangerously mentally ill but still met the federal standard for gun possession.

Well, now - as soon as the conversation swings towards tougher laws around the mentally ill, proper progressives remember that the mentally ill are victims, not bad guys. And they can massage the data to prove it!

Just to summarize that last link, progressives argue that the mentally ill are responsible for only about 4% of violent crime. However, that 4% figure is for people diagnosed with exclusively a mental disorder; people with a mental disorder and substance abuse issues are not counted as part of the mentally ill population for purposes of (under-)estimating their tendency to violence. If they were, the 4% figure would rise by a factor of 3 to 5.

Another laughable lefty stat [same link] defending the mentally ill was based on a survey of the Indiana prison population of homicide offenders. C'mon - plenty of famous mass shooters never went to trial, choosing instead to die at the scene. And that is common - per NY Times and Mother Jones surveys of mass killings, more than half of the killers cheat the hangman by dying at the scene.

Comments

[Dave (in MA)]

http://downdetector.com/status/level3/map/

Yikes.

[Porchlight]

What is that map showing, Dave (in MA)?

[Porchlight]

Trump called it. ISIS now attacking Kirkuk instead of Mosul.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/militants-attack-police-compound-in-northern-iraqs-kirkuk-1477029689?mod=e2fb

[Captain Hate]

Carlos Slim and Mother Jones are rife with insider knowledge of the mentally ill.

[BR]

Henry, you linked this in a previous thread but then said it didn't have an internal link. The Podesta Emails 14 were just released a few hours ago, so who knows. Thus far I've found one other site also carrying it. If true, it's Bye Bye Foundation.

Re Tim Kaine

"Don't buy a single vote more than is necessary. I doubt the Foundation is going to pay for a landslide".

[Dave (in MA)]

Porchlight,

It's a widespread internet outage caused by a DDOS attack. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/theres-major-problem-internet-thats-130316780.html

[Porchlight]

Thanks, Dave (in MA). Rather alarming.

[Janet]

3 rallies today -

- Friday, October 21, 2016 - Fletcher, NC ~ 12:00 PM
- Friday, October 21, 2016 - Johnstown, PA ~ 4:00 PM
- Friday, October 21, 2016 - Newtown, PA ~ 7:30 PM
- Saturday, October 22, 2016 - Virginia Beach, VA ~ 3:00 PM
- Saturday, October 22, 2016 - Cleveland, OH ~ 7:00 PM
Listen YOURSELF. Don't let the media filter the message. YOU decide.
Live feed choices here before each event - https://theconservativetreehouse.com/

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/schedule/

[maryrose]

So just to be clear.
Kaine actually said this and we have absolute proof.

[Matt - deplore me if you must]

So in reality they are calling bullshit on their own bullshit. Interesting.

[buccaneer morgan]

Its the ouruboros, but they don't read their own paper.

[Porchlight]

Trump announced his VA leadership team for GOTV there, which includes Dave Brat. He is spending time there. He wants the state.

Meanwhile, she's mostly limply defending FL and hanging out in NC - the two closest states in 2012. If she's really wrapped up the election, those should have been taken care of long ago and she should be in Georgia and Arizona - right?

And she ignores OH and IA (surrogates don't count) where Trump is giving her a big fight.

It makes no sense.

[James D]

Porch, it makes sense if their internal polls are showing something very different than the polls that are produced for public consumption.

[James D]

It also makes sense if you assume that her handlers understand the reality that she's dislikeable and unpleasant, and having her campaign in person is probably a negative rather than a positive for her in most cases.

[Pagar,a bacon, country Ham and Sausage supporter]

repeated:
IMO, Hillary Clinton should have been arrested at least by the end of the 3rd debate. I would have preferred that she be arrested the minute she revealed the beyond top Secret fact about our nuclear reaction time.

[Porchlight]

That's what I'm inclined to believe, James D....but I am still feeling gunshy after 2012.

Forgot to mention above that VA also extended its voter registration deadline, supposedly because of a website that went down.

What if the Dems aren't making their registration numbers there? Would be super easy to disable a website to provide an excuse.

[sbw]

Someone’s Facebook comment: I give up trying to understand why some of my intelligent friends can stand behind this gent? maybe I'm hearing a totally different rhetoric than others. his statements, his whining, his schoolyard ravings., his praise of Putin ???on and on..I guess you're seeing a totally different ??? . . .

My replyYes, you are hearing a different rhetoric. I have been conversing with a retired military officer from Washington. Reads the NY Times, Washington Post, and listens to NPR every day. That explains the disconnect.

I approach it from the position that someone who lies to me does not respect me. Hillary, as William Safire, NYT columnist evidenced, is “a congenital liar”.

Secondly, I know more history, economics, and political theory than the average college grad and what Hillary is working for screams historical patterns that don’t work.

Third, any student of Alinsky, Gramsci, and Marcuse, understands that they use words that sound good to your common understanding of what they mean, but to them they mean something quite different and insidious.

Come back in a few years when you discover how you have been had.

[Porchlight]

sbw,

As I'm sure you know, they're not really "trying to understand."

I have lib friends (and family, most recently my mom) ask me all the time why I think the way I do. Then I tell them, and then they argue with me.

It's just a slightly more polite way of starting a fight, IMO.

[lurkersusie]

I still can't access Twitter or reddit

Major internet problems reported after cyberattack

http://mashable.com/2016/10/21/sites-across-internet-struggle-after-cyberattack/#xzacmW5ssOq6

[lurkersusie]

Both just came back online

[BR]

Google search for Kaine matter:

2 resultsDeplorable FOR TRUMP (@iowa_trump) | Twitter
https://twitter.com/iowa_trump‎Cached
"Don't buy a single vote more than is necessary. I doubt the Foundation is going
to pay for a landslide" - @timkaine #PodestaEmails14. 0 replies 143 retweets ...

TheReal_DEW (@TheReal_DEW) | Twitter
https://twitter.com/TheReal_DEW‎Cached
"Don't buy a single vote more than is necessary. I doubt the Foundation is going
to pay for a landslide" - @timkaine #PodestaEmails14. 0 replies 25 retweets 24 ...

[DebinNC]

Scary how vulnerable we are to a news black-out imo. Thus, today's early morning discussion re ham radios.

[Michael (fpa Patriot4Freedom)]

Prayers for Joan's husband and family, and for Ann.

Praying for speedy recoveries for both of them.

[Jim Eagle]

The_Donald is "en fuego". That is a pretty inspiring stump speech. He has it down pat.

He does use words and themes that resonate with the deplorable, unredeemable, masses who have been so disappointed in the last 8+ years.

[lurkersusie]

Here we go

LawNewz
LawNewz – ‏@law_newz

Black Lives Matter Activists Sue Trump Campaign Over Beating By 'Angry Trump Mob' At Rally http://bit.ly/2eoMfqS

[Fresh Air, deplorably]

BR--

Each day, when the new Wikileaks Podesta e-mails come out I search by newest e-mail date first. I have not found a single e-mail dated after March of this year. The statement by Kaine may exist, but I don't think it's in the Podesta collection.

FWIW, I don't think there will be any dynamite in the Podesta stuff simply because they don't pertain to the general election for the most part.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

BR,

Watch out. If they don't have a link to a wikileaks email, it could be disinformation.

Last night on Reddit they noticed some of this. It's being done so as to let dems say "See, it's fake!"

I don't doubt that conversation goes on, but until I see an actual email from Wikileaks I am not biting.

[BR]

Although the 1st link is inop at the moment, here's its cached version:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kixUCx4m59AJ:https://twitter.com/iowa_trump%2BKaine+%22Don%27t+buy+a+single+vote+more+than+is+necessary.+I+doubt+the+Foundation+is+going+to+pay+for+a+landslide%22.&hl=en&gbv=2&ct=clnk">https://twitter.com/iowa_trump%2BKaine+%22Don%27t+buy+a+single+vote+more+than+is+necessary.+I+doubt+the+Foundation+is+going+to+pay+for+a+landslide%22.&hl=en&gbv=2&ct=clnk">http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kixUCx4m59AJ:https://twitter.com/iowa_trump%2BKaine+%22Don%27t+buy+a+single+vote+more+than+is+necessary.+I+doubt+the+Foundation+is+going+to+pay+for+a+landslide%22.&hl=en&gbv=2&ct=clnk

The Kaine item is 14th on the list, showing source as Podesta emails 14.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

lurkersusie,

I am not worried. They can file a lawsuit and Trump can countersue.

Plus, discovery should be VERY interesting.

[James D]

Scary how vulnerable we are to a news black-out imo.

There was a power outage, and also Comcast outage, in our neighborhood on Wednesday.

I really wondered if it was either our government, or Russian cyberattacks. I hate that our "elites" have brought us to a place where those are my first thoughts when something like that happens.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

BR,

When I go to your link there is nothing there, and it suggests changing search terms.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

James D.,

I know. When I saw that massive DDoS in the northeast, the first thing I thought of was the UN taking over.

[Michael (fpa Patriot4Freedom)]

My dad was a WWII Navy radioman . . .
I got the bug from watching my dad. We would listen late at night to a little shortwave radio in the dining room and he would set the typewriter up on the table and show off.
I would pay any amount of money to experience that again.
Posted by: Buckeye | October 21, 2016 at 10:29 AM

Buckeye - Thanks for your story.

My dad was a WWII radioman, too.

I remember him showing us kids how to 'key' Morse Code on a practice device he had, and being about five yrs old, wondering how *anyone* could tap out letters that fast, let alone understand what all the dots and dashes meant when he heard them.

I would pay any amount of money to experience that again, too.

[derwill, yet another adorable, irredeemable deplorable]

"Don't buy a single vote more than is necessary. I doubt the Foundation is going
to pay for a landslide"

Maybe they haven't bought enough votes then.

[Janet]

There was a power outage, and also Comcast outage, in our neighborhood on Wednesday.

I really wondered if it was either our government, or Russian cyberattacks. I hate that our "elites" have brought us to a place where those are my first thoughts when something like that happens.

ME TOO, James! I was worried about seeing the debate.

[Jim Eagle]

Michael and Buckeye,

You can buy fairly cheaply on eBay. I have a practice set I bought after I got out of Nav school and have kept. Learn code like you learned alphabet or how you learned to touch-type. In a month you should be capable of at least 10 to 15 words a minute.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/items/?_nkw=morse+code+set&_sacat=&_ex_kw=&_mPrRngCbx=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_sop=12&_fpos=&_fspt=1&_sadis=&LH_CAds=&rmvSB=true

[DebinNC]

Prayers for Joan's husband and family, and for Ann.

Yes. Thanks so much for that reminder, Michael.

[BR]

MM, if you cut and paste the whole quote* like I did in Google, you may come up with the same results. Then before clicking on the results, move your mouse over the little triangle, then click on the cached version.

* Kaine "Don't buy a single vote more than is necessary. I doubt the Foundation is going to pay for a landslide".

[Michael (fpa Patriot4Freedom)]

Three days until #Honk4TrumpTuesday25Oct See a Trump sign honk! #MAGA
Posted by: Sandy--Make America Deplorable Again--Daze | October 21, 2016 at 11:12 AM

If she does get elected then she can be known as our Most Corrupt Pres ever from the get-go.
Posted by: rse | October 21, 2016 at 12:35 PM

Sandy - Great idea! But shouldn't it read 'TuesdayOct25' ?
Along the lines of #Honk4TrumpTuesdayOct25 . . .

A slogan/phrase that I would love to see everybody start using is:

"Don't Vote for the Criminal, Vote for Trump."

[BR]

Hulllloooooo Fresh Air, my old buddy from 11 years ago! Btw, how do we know it's March?

[BR]

Oh, actually longer than 11 years - CBSgate days at Wizbang, etc.

[Buford Gooch]

BR, heres what I get.

No results found for Kaine "Don't buy a single vote more than is necessary. I doubt the Foundation is going to pay for a landslide".

[BR]

BG, are you using Google like I said to MM?

[daddy]

Good Morning. Rush in Hour 1 talking about Maria Bartiromo's 'wrackage" from last night. He says everybody was wrapped tight as heck and that the Media and Talking Heads are scared to death.

[daddy]

For those who missed the Al Smith dinner I think this is what Rush was talking about.

[henry]

BR, without a link to an email in the wikileaks site... it is very suspect. If you go to the wikileaks podesta 14 and enter that phrase in the search, do any emails pop up? (Hint, they did not for me). You have been spoofed no matter the retweet count or "source"

[Michael (fpa Patriot4Freedom)]

Jack is Back! | October 21, 2016 at 01:41 PM

JiB - Thanks for the tip on ebay.

btw, shared your story about landing at the airport in Hong Kong - was that Kai Tak? - and waving to the man in the high rise.
They nearly doubled over laughing at the mental image it created.

[BR]

Heh, no one's spoofed me,
they've been spooked :)

See Maryrose at 12:26 - if that's really her.

[Matt - deplore me if you must]

My now gone BiL was a 17 y/o radioman on Okinawa. He then went to Korea and was promoted to LT; then Vietnam.

He retired in 1971 as a LTC. Never talked about it except for the embassy duty in Copenhagen and Teheran in the 50's.

Copenhagen was his "Niagara Falls". I mentioned at dinner how boring that city was and he near exploded. Funniest thing. A few years later he and my sis went there on business and he agreed with me.

A lot of difference between being a young LT postwar and going back 40 years later.

[lurkersusie]

Not a flattering Hillary photo?

https://peopledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/clinton-trump-131.jpg?w=2000

[Appalled (Alt-Moderate)]

FYI about Podesta March 21...

http://jamiedupree.blog.ajc.com/2016/10/21/wikileaks-teases-more-recent-podesta-emails/

[rse]

Heads up-

"A labor-backed pro-Hillary Clinton advocacy group is transporting Florida college students to early voting locations, beginning next week. For Florida's Future, a super PAC and 501(c)(4) organization, is operating shuttles at nine college campuses that will bring students to polling places starting on Monday. The group is affiliated with the Washington-based For Our Future , a PAC funded by several national labor unions, including the AFL-CIO, the National Education Association and the American Federation of Teachers. Organizers have held voter registration events at college campuses in recent weeks. "

[Captain Hate]

Two big reasons to watch Bartiromo.

Tammy Bruce: Wikileaks has confirmed every accusation of conservatives.

[Matt - deplore me if you must]

Podesta Phished? What a dumbass.

Since we know that Hillary is clueless it is probable that she did the same.

[lurkersusie]

Hillary's stunning gown, lol

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/06b823fd3ad5abfb5c274bfb90b8e509fe9f6869/c=1626-0-3694-3692&r=583&c=0-0-580-1031/local/-/media/2016/10/20/USATODAY/USATODAY/636125925920199111-AFP-AFP-HC6QP-86129080.JPG

[Captain Hate]

Tammy Bruce: why has Paul Ryan said nothing about the wikileaks which are so damaging to Curb Dive?

[DebinNC]

Jack's Ebay link didn't show the Learn Morse Code cassettes we had long ago. Wondering, I checked to see if there's a Boy Scout Morse Code Merit Badge and if there was, it's been replaced by a new and likely dumbed down "Signs, Signals, and Codes".

[Porchlight]

The only way to confirm anything you see that is supposedly from Wikileaks is to go to Wikileaks and search directly. It's an easy site to search (kudos to them for that).

Because the leaks are finally penetrating now, people are going to try to spread disinfo so as to discredit them.

It's good news in that they wouldn't be doing this if they weren't scared.

[Thomas Collins]

Porchlight, even if her internal polls reflect the RCP average, her strategy makes sense. The RCP average indicates she is ahead but not in landslide territory. To win, she needs to firm up the battleground states. I think the notion that she could achieve landslide is so much nonsense that we heard just after the conventions and a few days after the release of the pussytape. It's a dream of Dems, but not realistic.

If her internals reflect Raz/LATimes and IDB-TIPP, all the more reason for her to slog it out in the battleground states.

[Buckeye]

JiB

I actually have a key and a practice oscillator collecting dust in a box somewhere.

Got to about 20wpm a couple of decades ago and then got sidetracked.

Actually have my ticket and all kinds of ham radio gear but got more interested in some of the "modern" digital modes and never played with CW.

[Beasts of England]

Trump looks good in tails. Wait, is that what I was supposed to be looking at? ;)

[Appalled (Alt-Moderate)]

By the way, using the Wikileaks Podesta e-mail search function, using the search term Podesta, and then ordering by date of e-mail, I saw nothing later than 3-21-16. Not sure if the latest batch were included as yet.

[Porchlight]

daddy,

Re: that photo.

Following the Al Smith dinner threads on The_Donald last night, I think it's safe to say that Maria and her rack were mentioned approvingly at least six hundred times. Not an exaggeration. :)

It's cute because being younguns, many or most did not know who she was. I love seeing kids who know almost nothing about politics being so enthused for Trump. They are all trying to "redpill" their friends and family, too.

[maryrose]

My 12:26 was a question and now to be clear we don't have proof so the answer is no.

[henry]

Appalled, that matches what I've seen. I believe the latest is in there.

[Captain Hate]

Tbh, Curb Dive looks better in that monk's robe than some of those high priced oven mitts and moomoos The Omen selects for her.

[Porchlight]

Trump was in that photo, BoE?

[Beasts of England]

lol, Porch!! :)

[Buckeye]

We know what you were looking at Beasts:)

Lurkersusie, I think the gown Hillary was wearing was a refreshing change of pace.

And it was very flattering, for the first time in a long time, she looked like she has slimmed down, maybe all the way to 205.

[Thomas Collins]

Jeeeeezzzzzuuuussssss! If this thread is going to descend into "frontage" talk, could we at least bring on the A Team?

http://media.vanityfair.com/photos/54590bc2fe94dc8063c49752/master/w_790,c_limit/loren_mansfield_better.jpg

[Captain Hate]

Looks like the Double D team, TC.

[Thomas Collins]

LOLOL! I stand corrected, CH!

[Buckeye]

You can tell it is Sophia instead of Hillary.

She isn't licking her lips.

[Sandy--Make America Deplorable Again--Daze]

Posted by: Michael (fpa Patriot4Freedom) | October 21, 2016 at 01:43pm

Michael, I'm not following...

#Honk4TrumpTuesdayOct25
or
#Honk4TrumpTuesday25Oct

Do you think it looks like "250 ct" ?

Or is it a difference in date formulation (I learned day-month-year, hard habit to break...)

For me, any variation is fine.

Let's Make Dates Great Again !

~~

Maria was well aware of all the attention regarding her décolletage early this morning on her FoxBiz show, when she started blushing after the comments from the others at the table !

~~~~~~~~
Three days until #Honk4TrumpTuesday25Oct
or
#Honk4TrumpTuesdayOct25
See a Trump sign honk!
http://i65.tinypic.com/2603osp.jpg
#MAGA

Tweet it, Facebook it,
Let's get it done !

[maryrose]

I like Maria's earrings

[BR]

Oh, that's so funny, Maryrose. But for a missing question mark, it looked like you were an insider with Wikileaks :)

[Captain Hate]

Tammy Bruce: if Curb Dive is elected the entire country will be like California.

[Porchlight]

If her internals reflect Raz/LATimes and IDB-TIPP, all the more reason for her to slog it out in the battleground states.

Agree, TC. I think if she were really in landslide territory, she would would be somewhere else.

And if the polls are that off...well, how off are they? :)

Trump camp anonymous insider on The_Donald says the internals they're seeing are strong but no one is taking anything for granted.

[Captain Hate]

Has anybody shop-vacced the sand out of Kristol's mangina or reduced his salt level? Waiting a day and revisiting his on air meltdown hasn't diminished it.

[Buckeye]

If her internals reflect Raz/LATimes and IDB-TIPP, all the more reason for her to slog it out in the battleground states.

Which is going to be pretty difficult for someone who can barely get out of bed.

Speaking of that, Buckeyette has been at home recovering from Mono. She has been making it to work, but rarely before 10:00. I had no idea how debilitating it can be. Been about three weeks so far.

[daddy]

All Alan Colmes has as rebuttable to Betsy McCoy, when he is trying to tell us how great ObamaCare is, is his good looks.

[Captain Hate]

NeverTrumps, this could be your new head of HHS thanks to your tantrum:

http://freebeacon.com/culture/cecile-richards-wont-say-whether-ritual-sacrifice-religious-freedom-issue/

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/24631

In which we see Christina Reynolds and Karen Finney discuss contacting David Brock to go after Ed Klein for his latest book. Dated mid-October, 2015 which means I think her campaign was already operational. Hence, coordination, which is against the law.

[Buckeye]

daddy

Good to see you are back to "normal":)

[Captain Hate]

Buckeye, I had mono as a young teen and it was brutal getting out of bed before it was diagnosed. Then I slept most of the time for about a week and then was chomping at the bit to go out and do something.t

[Tom R]

Repost from the last thread.

In the 2012 election roughly over 125 million people voted which means around 92 million eligible voters did not vote. Someone correct me if I am wrong but isn't pretty much every single poll basing their turnout on the 2012 turnout? I have always been under the impression that a significant chunk of Trump's appeal is coming from this group of 92 million citizens who did not vote in 2012 (which strikes them from any Likely Voter sample).

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/10/21/the-movement-24-million-watched-trump-facebook-live-event/#more-123450

This pro-Trump website projects over 73 million votes for Trump (Obama got 65+ million in 2012 while Romney got 60+ million). No idea how that website is coming up with 73 million votes but obviously a lot of them are coming from the 92 million who did not vote in 2012.

I am still cautiously optimistic that Trump wins going away.

[Buckeye]

CH

She goes to be about 8 and sleeps 12-14 hours. Last few days have been markedly better.

Luckily she is very healthy otherwise so prognosis good.

[Buckeye]

goes to bed

[Fresh Air, deplorably]

BR--

I'm another of the few & proudl Simonites. Sorry to see Ballard & others disappear. It's been a depressing eight years, I guess.

Re March: If they had anything more recent, I think Wikileaks would present it. There's a cluster of stuff in the mid-March timeframe but nothing at all from the summer. I just hope they found other accounts of the assorted Hillary Henchcritters. Podesta was obviously a "deep background" figure with no official role.

[Highland Pepe, aka Robin]

Trending on FB right now? Clinton Foundation in Morocco, Wikileaks and $12 million big ones! It's getting out there!

[jimmyk]

She goes to be about 8 and sleeps 12-14 hours.

But enough about Hillary already.

Seriously, Buckeye, hope Buckeyette makes a speedy recovery. What happened to Ann? I missed that.

[Beasts of England]

That's my take on the situation, as well, Tom R. There's a huge disinterested swath on the right side of the spectrum that have felt like 'What difference does my vote make - they don't care about me.' Trump is reaching them, in my opinion, and why the present hand-wringing about getting to 90% of the traditional Republucan vote is not as important.

That's the understood strategy, anyway. We'll know in a few weeks whether the silenced majority is a real factor, or not.

[Another Bob]

I gotta make a comment on the previous thread.

Mr. Maguire, what the hell are you smoking? What "impressive resume" does Hillary have?

A carpetbagged term and a half as senator where she actually did next to nothing, a shady appointment as secretary of state where everything she touched turned to shit?

This is an impressive resume? Jesus...

[Captain Hate]

From Rupert's Gazette:

Some of Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's posts on Facebook have set off an intense debate inside the social-media company over the past year, with some employees arguing certain posts about banning Muslims from entering the U.S. should be removed for violating the site's rules on hate speech, according to people familiar with the matter.

The decision to allow Mr. Trump's posts went all the way to Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, who ruled in December that it would be inappropriate to censor the candidate, according to the people familiar with the matter. That decision has prompted employees across the company to complain on Facebook's internal messaging service and in person to Mr. Zuckerberg and other managers that it was bending the site's rules for Mr. Trump, and some employees who work in a group charged with reviewing content on Facebook threatened to quit, the people said.

[Dave (in MA)]

sbw 2020

[Captain Hate]

Oh c'mon, Another Bob; naming post offices is hard work! Why do you hate wimmenz?

[Porchlight]

By the way, using the Wikileaks Podesta e-mail search function, using the search term Podesta, and then ordering by date of e-mail, I saw nothing later than 3-21-16. Not sure if the latest batch were included as yet.

A Wikileaks tweet on this subject:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/789458342993354752

Jamie Dupree notes that nothing is later than 3/21/16

Wikileaks tweets back "Well spotted. Something to look forward to."

[henry]

Another Bob, Hillary's resume is at least as powerful as Obama's was.

[fdcol63]

"Another Bob, Hillary's resume is at least as powerful as Obama's was."

Which ain't really saying much. LOL

[Porchlight]

For context, de Blasio also booed at Al Smith dinner:

http://nypost.com/2016/10/20/no-one-likes-de-blasio-at-the-al-smith-dinner/

And he hadn't even said anything yet!