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Democrats neither can nor should ditch “identity politics”

There’s no other kind of politics. They just need to do it better.

I know, right? "Three Fun Facts About Curling" might be less click-baity, but not by much.

Closer, to home, how 'bout them 'Boys? I am not a fan but they look too legit to quit.

GROAN: Word games? In a burst of something or other (self-flagellation following my Thanksgiving indulgence is the betting favorite) I am staggering through the identity politics piece:

The reality, however, is that politics is not and will never be a public policy seminar. People have identities, and people are mobilized politically around those identities. There is no other way to do politics than to do identity politics.

Uh huh. For example, many of us have an identity as a patriotic American, so we might rally round the flag during some foreign policy misadventure. Or many people have a religious identity that spans racial and ethnic lines - the Irish and Brits have their differences but can unite as Christians, or whites, or as soccer fans. And near the end:

Identity politics is inevitable

At the end of the day, an awful lot comes down to what you mean by identity politics. In a conventional frame, “identity politics” means outreach to nonwhite groups but nothing else. And it’s true that, mathematically speaking, practicing that kind of politics is going to doom you to lose elections.

As Christopher Achen and Larry Bartels explore in their recent book Democracy for Realists, any plausible account of political behavior by actual human beings needs to concede that politics has always been practiced largely by mobilizing people around salient aspects of group identity rather than detailed policy proposals. Gilded Age Republicans would “wave the bloody shirt” to remind Northern voters of the Democratic Party’s openness to dividing the Union during the Civil War.

So re-imagine identities as, for example, "working class" et voila - Dems can practice identity-based politics while practicing class-based politics. That train-wrecks with the universal "white privilege" part of their secular faith-based initiative, but whatever.

Comments

[Jim Eagle]

Repost from last thread.

Most Googled Thanksgiving Recipe by State.

http://www.businessinsider.com/most-popular-thanksgiving-recipes-2016-11

Oh, First!

[sbw]

When you point at a an object, most dogs look at the pointing finger just like Yglesias.

Don’t expect him to recognize the significance of a pattern or deduce wisdom from it.

[Beasts of England]

On topic: identity politics was shattered this election, but I'm not surprised they'll plow forward - they have nothing left. The launch of 'fake news' only further divides the country, it doesn't earn them any votes.

[daddy on iPad]

What would be examples of Non-identity politics? Is there such a thing?

I think any good arguer, Christopher Hitchens for example, could take either side and win the argument but I think it'd be way easier arguing for the side that claims that "All politics are Local Identity Politics" , otherwise they wouldn't be local.

[peter]

I tried to post the link but could not... wikipedia's entry on The Dalton School. All that money, all those high scores, all that prestige, yet the list of notable alumni seems to be made up of one type.

More arson in Israel at the LUN

[sbw]

When faking news media point elsewhere to decry fake news there are no more straws for them to grasp.

[buccr morgan]

It takes that kind of learned stupidity to pay for a 2.7 million dollar pad, meanwhile the allies continue to abide by the rhodes road show and the news out of Strasbourg are true to form.

[daddy on iPad]

Since we r stupid enuff to be discussing a post by Kos, does any other species on earth practice politics? Is man, the only "political animal", or have we now determined dogs and cats and polar bears are political?

Beats the hell out of me. Apparently insects are "Social". I don't think I even know what political means any more.

Plato, Socrates, l'il help.

[sbw]

+1 daddy

[Threadkiller]

What would be examples of Non-identity politics?

Obama is a no ID politician.

[daddy on iPad]

Via a post at InstPundit from last night:

Per source: @JohnKasich on phone at CMH: “I was supposed to be the most important Republican in the country. I was supposed to be applauded”

Was that politic of me to post that?

[common man]

Can we please get Kasich to look into a camera and speak into the microphone the following phrase for our eternal enjoyment:

I coulda been a contender

[buccr morgan]

Someone help him out with a Vizzini quote here.

[Old Lurker]

Can we please get Kasich to look into a camera FROM ATOP THE RAIL ON THE UPPER DECK OF THE GW BRIDGE and speak into the microphone the following phrase for our eternal enjoyment:

"SO LONG CRUEL WORLD"

Better?

[daddy on iPad]

Speaking of Poly ticks: Watch This Mother Tick Lay 1,500 Eggs---Smithsonian

[James D]

TM, why are you reading Yglesias or giving him any attention at all?

He is an idiot and a jackass and has nothing of value to say or to contribute to mankind in any way. And that's me being kind.

[common man]

OL

I personally would prefer to mock him. Some would feel the sadz if he removed his stain from the gene pool. But cant say I would be included...

[common man]

Kasich kinda reminds me of Charlie Cheeto. No real internal compass, and feeling quite entitled to public office, mostly for his own enrichment. He does stay away from the spray tans, so that is a notable difference...

[buccr morgan]

Yglesias is a very silly person from my brief interaction with him in 2007-8, he typifies marko's aphorism.

[matt, deplore me if you must]

A whole bunch of people, especially Yglesias and his ilk, lost all credibility 2 weeks ago. Let's just let them crawl back under their rocks if we are kind or stomp on them like cockroaches if we're not in a forgiving mood.

Somewhere, a village is desperately seeking its idiot.

[Jane]

I beg your pardon TM. I could certainly post 3 riveting things about curling.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Here, read this:

"The Cult of Anti-Racism"

http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=9022

[jimmyk on iPhone]

Silly me, I thought the Constitution limits the power of government precisely to prevent the sort of nonsense embodied in the term 'identity politics,' which connotes the lack of equality under the law.

[Rocco]

Kasich, just like the popular vote, is irrelevant.

[daddy on iPad]

TM. I could certainly post 3 riveting things about curling.

3? How's about 5, Jane: SPORTS. 5 hottest babes of Olympic curling

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Yglesias is that kid who always hits himself in the head with the stick while blindly bumbling around looking for the piñata.

As daddy (and TM for that matter) points out all politics is in a sense based on identity. However that can be a fluid and inclusive thing or a bitter divisive one.
The Dems used to appeal to the same identity as the Reps; TM's patriotic Americans striving for the American dream. In that context, policy of course was the most important difference because policy determined how one could best fulfill that identity, which was the common one both parties were aiming at.

However, in the sixties an unfortunate concatenation of events set the Dems on a very different path. The New Left began swanking about like a roaring lion seeking whom they might devour and the Civil Rights movement triumphed. And in a corollary to the latter, who we allowed to emigrate here changed dramatically.
And thus was born the disgusting, divisive, shameful sexual, racial and ethnic identity politics of the Dem party, designed to convince minorities and enough women and guilt ridden white men that there was a great bogeyman who was preventing them from living their own tribal dream which was often very different from the American one.

The left has always constructed that bogeyman of course but the events of the sixties finally presented a path to making it stick.

And so we have the present situation in which one party quite brazenly boasts of illegally importing as many new voters as possible and intentionally pitting races, ethnicities and the sexes against each other in a zero sum game of "that cracker has your stuff" also known as multiculturalism and diversity.

The only solution is for the policy to fail so that the Dems abandon it.
For it to fail will require whitey to cut through the guilt and grievance and play the same game. Of course the racialists of the left who profit from the divisions will try to shame anyone from playing their game, but if we don't I don't see how we survive as a country.
There's nothing racist or wrong about denying ones bogeyman status and in fact the worst bogeymen the left conjures are black or Hispanic conservatives and Republicans because they invalidate every part of the left's racist project and remind everyone there used to be an American dream that was better than an EBT card and Medicaid.

[Clarice]

http://thenextweb.com/apps/2016/11/24/delete-internet/
How to delete yourself from the internet!

[henry - drunk on prog tears]

Daddy, if my memory can be trusted.... chimpanzee troops form "political" alliances over who is the leader. But that might have been a sci fi book.

[jimmyk]

Lots of animal species have pecking orders established by physical intimidation. I always quote Adam Smith on what makes humans different (or what is supposed to):

“Nobody ever saw a dog make a fair and deliberate exchange of one bone for another with another dog. Nobody ever saw one animal by its gestures and natural cries signify to another, this is mine, that yours; I am willing to give this for that....

[Porchlight]

Good morning, all! Thanksgiving was overall a success, although when the turkey tested at the right temperature the dark meat still wasn't quite done. Darn thermometer. I served the white meat which was fine and no one seemed to mind.

My BIL who lost our bet on the election was gracious and offered to pay. I told him not to worry about it, but he insisted on paying something.

My other BIL was the only person to bring up politics, and he did so immediately after arriving. Said he thought the election results would and should be contested, that the popular vote margin meant Trump's win wasn't legitimate, and that he was 99% sure the wall would never be built. I asked "like HuffPo was 98% sure that Clinton would be elected?"

Whatever. The rest of the evening was nice.

[Truthbetold5]

Obama’s homosexual bundler arrested for child rape

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2016/11/24/obamas-homosexual-bundler-arrested-for-child-rape/

[Beasts of England]

'Yglesias is that kid who always hits himself in the head with the stick while blindly bumbling around looking for the piñata.'

Thread winner

[henry - drunk on prog tears]

Only politics yesterday was my niece reviewing all the propositions on the San Fancisco ballot. I think the "Oversight Committee for the Committee for New Committees" was one she mentioned, but wine was involved and I may have misheard.

[DebinNC]

Morning, y'all. Surprised to see on that food map link that GA's most popular Thanksgiving dish is banana pudding. Never seen that on a Thanksgiving table in GA in my long life.

[Clarice]

Left goes full hypocritical crackpot: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/trump-to-inherit-historic-spying-powers-sparking-last-minute-scramble-231809

[rse]

An organized effort to map harrassment of miniroties since the 2016 election. Harvard, mit, ucla all involved.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/mapping-harassment/index.html

Can you say "creating a meme"?

[Man Tran]

SBW,

The little 9 is for a boot top stash. For real shooting, I normally make custom grips to hold better, but they don't tuck away well.

[glasater]

Zerohedge has a couple of articles on..

How the Left will not go easily into that good night..

The above was earlier in the week. A newer one shows up today.

[DebinNC]

One of the harassment cites in GA was a muslim teacher claiming she got an anonymous note related to her headscarf. Anonymous notes seems a great way to get numerous fake hate crime stats on the books.

[Truthbetold5]

#PizzaGate News Update: Comet Ping Pong Band ‘Sex Stains’ Pedo Logo & Reddit CEO Into Cannibalism Sub-Reddit

http://thephaser.com/2016/11/important-pizzagate-news-update/

[sbw]

Man Tran, for that I have an LCP gen2.

[buccr morgan]

Yikes like steyns famous committee on non compliance, there Henry.

Yes, as with Nixon, clarice, political surveillance tie fidelofacts was a nonissue when dems did it.

[buccr morgan]

Yes the gorillas were the military leaders, the chimps were the pacifists, but that wasnt in Pierre boulle's book

[sbw]

Concern one of that zerohedge article is that the globalists are going to Hoover Trump.

I do think it is important for Trump to repeat at every opportunity how Democrats have overdrawn the economy and that, by minimizing bad practices at home and abroad, individuals creating commerce will help us through it.

[Clarice]

No kidding, narciso.

[glasater]

I think Trump will fight them, SBW, or at least Bannon will.

[buccr morgan]

I was mistaken that was one element of the book the film retained.

Yes bannon who has been in that world, but not of it, will try to steer clear.

[Truthbetold5]

Clarice

Do you know the Podestas?

[maryrose]

Starting with this election the electorate is getting smarter.
Dems old memes don't work anymore .
Only dumb voters live in California (JOMers excluded) New York and Massachusetts.
Their votes don't count more than ours and the massive fraud can longer be maintained.
Issues matter and a sense of entitlement is a sure loser.
Dems will have a hard time adjusting but that is the new paradigm.

[Janet ~ an obnoxious Trump supporter]

rse's link is weird. Here is the one for Arlington, VA -

Harassment/Attack Report

Arlington, Virginia
Groups Being Harassed or Attacked

Women
Date

11/08/2016
Source

First hand experience

What is that? Does there even have to be a police report?

[Jane]

Daddy,

I'm shocked there are no American curlers on that list! How rude!

[Clarice]

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/11/fashion-freakout.php

[maryrose]

I just assume all harassment stories are false.
The Irish had to fight their way into society and acceptance by others.
Let the newcomers do the same by showing they can be productive human beings.

[maryrose]

Note to millennial:
There is no free lunch.
Go out , get a job and earn your way through school.

[Clarice]

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/cutoff_of_federal_funds_to_sanctuary_cities_is_possible_immediately_upon_inauguration_of_president_trump.html

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Clarice,

Tommy Hilfiger said he would be honored to dress Melania Trump.

And this to me indicates why Tommy Hilfiger has a billion-dollar business and certain other designers do not.

For 8 years Michelle Obama has appeared in some of the ugliest, most inappropriate clothing I have ever seen. It got so bad at one point I thought she was choosing items simply to embarrass the United States.

Melania Trump wearing off-the-rack clothes? Good on her! Most women can't afford couturier-level clothing anyway. She is always dressed appropriately and elegantly.

[buccr morgan]

Gq, prides it self on being a trump free issue on the stands now, snorfle, well you know my feelings about them.

[Janet ~ an obnoxious Trump supporter]

If there is any whining about cutting off federal funds to sanctuary cities....remember the Obama administration threatened to cut off school funds if schools didn't enact the transgender insanity.

Let Dick into Jane's locker room or NO LUNCH money for YOU!!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

GQ going Trump-free? Well, good luck to them.

This is the left in a nutshell; not only do they not listen to us, they don't even want to SEE us.

[buccr morgan]

They'll have to get around to him at some point, now vanity fair must be beside themselves.

[sbw]

Janet, no double ententres for you!

[Threadkiller]

http://thehill.com/homenews/307524-trumps-taps-kt-mcfarland-for-deputy-national-security-adviser

[buccr morgan]

Now pinnette has gone whole hog on the butter

[Threadkiller]

https://mobile.twitter.com/anncoulter

Ann is getting fickle again.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

TK,

Ann is always fickle.

She'll be back to throwing her bombs at Trump shortly.

The can do a good zinger, but she isn't exactly loyal.

[DebinNC]

the Obama administration threatened to cut off school funds if schools didn't enact the transgender insanity.

Ditto if black kids were disciplined more often than whites.

[Threadkiller]

She is loyal to the border security crowd so I understand what motivates her frustration.

Sometimes she needs to take a breath, though.

[the generalisticly deplorable rich]

Matt Yglesias wrote another dumb column ... a day ending in "y". For fun I googled "matt yglesias dumbest columns" [and most of that was autocomplete] and got 31 thousand hits.

[Marlene]

There is an interesting case up in Bangor about an alleged assault of a black man. Last Friday night, the man told police that another man passed him on the street,pushed,shoved or maybe punched him and shouted "Trump is going to deport you!" The man has been charged with misdemeanor assault,which is certainly appropriate if physical contact was involved. But,the man and his wife plan to charge city council members with slander. A few city council members went on social media and denounced the incident as a hate crime without any evidence. The man denies any racial intent and went to the police station to explain what happened. Earlier this week the Maine AG's office said this wasn't a hate crime. The man's lawyer released a statement saying the man and his wife are outstanding citizens and in fact,will become godparents to a minority child this week-end.
Any incident is now a reason to yell racist,facts be damned.

[the generalisticly deplorable rich]

during the campaign I saw something over at Vox that was really stupid, even for them ... but think it may have been Ezra who wrote it. anyway.

[Rocco]

I love curling

https://www.floridamemory.com/items/show/30230

[common man]

My snowbird friends from Maine were over for the Thanksgiving feast and mentioned Maine was changing. I asked how so, and they responded that a huge influx of Somali refugees had been transplanted into the State. I having seen the problems this causes in Minneapolis, just nodded that I understood fully.

My guess, Bangor man a Somali refugee. Could be wrong, but there just aren't a lot of blacks in Maine so I think I have a pretty fair probability of being right, without knowing anything else.

[Donald]

My mom was a curler. Played hockey too.

[Jane]

Curling is the best Donald.

[the generalisticly deplorable rich]

provoke an incident, then claim victim status ...

[the generalisticly deplorable rich]

I'm slogging through the identity politics piece too ... good grief.

[Marlene]

Yes common man,Lewiston,Maine has the largest Somali population outside of Minnesota. Our neighbors in Florida are from Minnesota and they are very upset about Minneapolis being a sanctuary city. The above mentioned city councilors in Bangor want to establish an immigrant community center. Portland has an diverse and active immigrant community. Because of Maine's aging population,many state and city officials are promoting and welcoming immigrants. The reason given is that the state needs a young workforce. Maine's demographics are certainly changing.

[buccr morgan]

Well you never go full Ezra, max fisher is a happy medium though, that's why he's at Carlos slims now.

Pinnette says trump is the biggest Russian victory since the Rosenberg's snorfle.

[Another Bob]

It's Politico, I know. But jeez Kasich...

[Another Bob]

Oh. LUN

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://www.dailywire.com/news/6484/i-cut-cable-cord-america-whats-stopping-you-john-nolte

I discovered I can do quite well without Foox News, which I became addicted to after 9/11 and never broke the habit. When I moved, we didn't sign up for cable, just internet.

I found that I could follow the campaign much better WITHOUT Fox, because I could stream all of the rallies, and important interviews from cable networks showed up on YouTube in a couple of hours. Even the debates were live streamed.

I am glad I quit, and I do think that having Fox on all the time wasn't very good for my mental health. I was VERY glad I didn't have it the last few weeks of the campaign.

So, ditch cable if you can. The cable companies supported Clinton. The news channels supported Clinton. They do not care what their viewers want, as if you have a subscription you are giving them a cut, even if you don't watch.

As Nolte says, do it for America.

[buccr morgan]

Mark stein in for rush, points out that in order to hire a world famous flute player, for one segment of his new show, he had to five figures and mire than a hundred pages of paperwork.

[the generalisticly deplorable rich]

buc-

found the piece I was thinking about. It was another entry for dumbest from Yglesias.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/19/13288594/new-silent-majority

Shouldn't spend too much time thinking about it or vox.

[Jim Eagle]

eveGreat news about K.T. McFarland. Another Southakmptonite. He husband Alan is someone I have known for years. Runs the committee that is responsible for our St. Andrew's Dune Church, where my Episcopalian paternal grandfather was the senior Warden for years.

K.T. is very visible here in the summer hosting a number of charitable events.

[buccr morgan]

In the aargh category one has to put the Smithsonian which puts quite a coat of varnish on the CAstro regime.

[Truthbetold5]

Clarice

Do you think posting pedophile pictures on Comet Ping Pong's website was normal behavior on the part of James Alefantis?

[buccr morgan]

So as expected the farc wants to part of a transition govt as part of their cooperation with the accords. Paging admiral ackbar.

[jimmyk on iPhone]

--Matt Yglesias wrote another dumb column ... a day ending in "y".--

Or in this case, a name beginning with "y."

He and Ezra are Dumb and Dumberer.

[jimmyk on iPhone]

DJT must be reading JOM:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/307521-report-trump-team-wants-romney-to-apologize

[buccr morgan]

Kneel before zed, Michael Shannon is nowhere as subtle as Terence stamp was.

[the generalisticly deplorable rich]

lol ... hadn't thought of that.

Think I have mentioned "The Politics of Evasion" about a dozen times but many of the themes the hot take press is yammering on about were studied and the paper put to practical politics by no less than Bill Clinton. Here is their thesis right there at the top of the abstract:

" ... too many Americans have come to see the party as inattentive to their economic interests, indifferent if not hostile to their moral sentiments and ineffective in defense of their national security."

I think Rorty's book can be seen as the counter argument to "Evasion" and the Obama Presidency as fully rejecting the ideas in "Evasion" and embracing the mush of Rorty's work and less so Florida's work on the so called "creative class".

[jimmyk on iPhone]

Is everyone getting trampled in Black Friday sales? A bit slow here.

[henry - drunk on prog tears]

I am laughing too hard at Rocky de la Fuente's petition for a recount in WI. Aside from excess tinfoil.... it comes down to: the polls said Hilligula would win, so the local election officials conspired to make Trump win.

[maryrose]

Ann Coulter has supported Trump throughout the campaign.
I hope if someone disagrees with Trump we aren't going to banish them or write them off.
He captured the WH.
That is more than enough for me.
If Romney is the best man for Secretary of State then Trump will offer it to him.
He doesn't have to grovel for the job.
Ryan is getting ready to fulfill our republican agenda.
It is all good because the Left is irrelevant at this point.
Remember when some here thought we couldn't have a regular election?
Of course we did because we don't live in Iran.
We need to stop giving so much power to the opposition and empower ourselves
Hi Kabwe and Newt hate Romney.
Of course they don't want him to get State.

[henry - drunk on prog tears]

The link for above. Click through to get his letter.

[maryrose]

Should be Huckabee

[Beasts of England]

Everything was calm at the Piggly Wiggly a few minutes ago, jimmyk. All is well!!

[Beasts of England]

Speaking of Newt - haven't heard his name mentioned for a cabinet spot or anything else. Have I missed something?

[henry - drunk on prog tears]

If that is not enough tinfoil, the Green Party's news release on their petition.

[the generalisticly deplorable rich]

>>>Is everyone getting trampled in Black Friday sales? A bit slow here.

Posted by: jimmyk on iPhone | November 25, 2016 at 02:37 PM<<<

or everyone sleeping off Thanksgiving.