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November 21, 2016



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buccr morgan

Or George Zimmerman, then the truth is voided as a basis for litigation.

Another Bob

Exactly, jimmy. Exactly.


Speaking of prayer requests - the latest news I can find says 6 children, kindergarten through 5th grade were killed in the Chattanooga bus wreck. Multiple other are in hospital with serious injuries. The photo of the bus was horrible! It appears to be split in two by a large tree and tipped over on its side. No other vehicles were involved.

The parents of the lost ones, the injured, and the survivors who are physically sound but witnessed it - all need our prayers.

Texas Liberty Gal

daddy - best wishes to your lovely wife - hope she has a quick recovery!


Where did my name go? (last post was mine)


Sullivan did establish a double standard giving people (the press) more leeway in criticizing politicians.

Court cases since Sullivan have wrongly made anyone in the news a public figure.

1964 was another country compared to where we are now.


daddy - best wishes to your lovely wife . . . and I hope you don’t get on her bad side while she has a cast.


Hey, Miss M, looking for some bargains?


(Via Tim Blair.) A commenter on Blair's site suggested that Marine Le Pen could buy up all the red, white, and blue "Madam President" stuff.


If the press whine too much...remind them of this from 2013 -

Boo hoo....after years of participating with & being part of the Obama propaganda machine these people want sympathy.

FTA - "The letter includes examples of important news events that were not covered by media photographers, and yet pictures were taken by the White House image team and widely distributed via social media. This happens almost daily.
Unlike media photographers, official White House photographers are paid by taxpayers and report to the president. Their job is to make Obama look good. They are propagandists – in the purest sense of the word."

Obama’s Image Machine: Monopolistic Propaganda Funded by You
News organizations protest White House restrictions on independent photo coverage.

another link about the story -

Texas Liberty Gal

Momto2 - Will definitely keep the victims of that horrific bus crash and the survivors in my prayers. So many people in that city have had their world turned upside down today.

Captain Hate

There was a picture of jimmyk, NK and me posted here a year ago. jimmyk is an occasional tv star so I recognized him immediately when we first met. Haven't met Peter before. I'll try to be on time and will have a red and grey winter jacket.

Beasts of England

You're not wearing that new Christmas suit your wife threatened to buy for you, Captain? ;)

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Anti SLAPP statutes are a more legally sound solution to the problem of defamation and they preserve a single standard for all citizens.


I remembered that story because of this from the NYT coverage - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/22/us/politics/photographers-protest-white-house-restrictions.html

"“The way they exclude us is to say that this is a very private moment,” said Doug Mills, a photographer for The New York Times who has covered the White House since the Reagan administration. “But they’re making private moments very public.”

In a tense meeting late last month with Mr. Carney, Mr. Mills and other board members of the White House Correspondents’ Association showed a stack of photos that they said illustrated the problem.

“I said, ‘Jay, this is just like Tass,’ ” Mr. Mills said, referring to the Soviet state news agency. “It’s like government-controlled use of the public image of the president.”"

Mr. Mills was a big fan of Obama up until the access kerfuffle.
from 2012 - http://www.weeklystandard.com/reporter-covering-obama-offers-relatives-press-interviews/article/643157

"...the rest of the White House need not worry about finding students to interview for their press reports from today's event: The pooler, Rick Dunham of Hearst Newspapers, offers up his own relatives to his colleagues. "
He offered up Mr. Mills daughter too.

The Dem-Media machine...incestuous.

Captain Hate

Did you see that on Zuckerberg, Beasts? I think Curb Dive's emails were viewed by fewer people.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

According to the guy who founded Christianity there is only one unforgivable sin and it ain't abortion.

Moreover we are granted the grace of forgiveness of all our sins when we accept Jesus as our savior. If not we would fall out of grace and lose our salvation every time we committed some new sin, in other words pretty much every day.
I understand the Catholic teaching on this but find it incompatible with the whole counsel of God.

As far as forgiving ourselves it CAN be the hardest thing to do, but thank goodness the consequences are temporal because we after all have no power to send anyone anywhere, including ourselves.


Exactly, Ignatz.


from Jeffrey V on FB ~ "Trump should give access to new voices. His interviews and press passes should go to others. There are plenty to choose from. Most papers in the press room are not even doing original reporting. They are just reposting AP, Reuters and NY Times pieces. So why give them a seat at the table?
Just because Bezos and Slim and Ted Turner and Jeffrey Immelt can afford large operations, doesn't mean they deserve a monopoly on access. That's media by the 1% and for the 1%. Occupy the media, LOL. Let's get rid of the rigged media!"


Belated Happy Birthday to Tonto!
Have a great time at the reunion.
I would love to
Jump on a Greyhound bus Tuesday night and meet up with you guys on Wednesday.


a good old quote - “Walk toward the fire. Don’t worry about what they call you. All those things are said against you because they want to stop you in your tracks. But if you keep going, you’re sending a message to people who are rooting for you, who are agreeing with you. The message is that they can do it, too.” ~ Andrew Breitbart


Thirteen Senses - Into The Fire



Trump to media: You're Fired!

Trump: 1; media: another big fat zero.


Trump should give access to new voices.

There is room for expertise. I say that reporters should approach assignments with a full set of tools, but little baggage.

The problem with fresh scrub-faced journalists is that they know nothing. The problem with grizzled journalists is that they know too much.

In a parallel, we are teaching students to write history with no appreciation of what wisdom previous historians bring to the table.

What is needed is an owner, an editor, who dares to ask why they reported this and not that, why this word or phrase and not that. It is not hard, but you have to listen to what people notice and square it with what is.


What is needed is an owner, an editor, who dares to ask why they reported this and not that, why this word or phrase and not that. It is not hard, but you have to listen to what people notice and square it with what is.

sbw, do you know anyone like that? :)

Beasts of England

I did, Captain. I was gonna offer to chip in. :)


Regarding the TN school bus crash, I've always wondered why busses don't have seat belts. Or the requirement to wear them.


jimmyk, I’d love to be there in NYC with you all on Wednesday, but family calls. Best to your wife!


Thanks, sbw, the same to you and yours. Don't think I can persuade the missus to come to this one but I'll try.

At least there won't be a blizzard at this one like the time you were planning to come.


I've always wondered why busses don't have seat belts. Or the requirement to wear them.

I've heard that they don't help that much if at all--for example:



I'll be wearing a plaid hat that looks like Inspector Clousteau's

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Don't ask the barkeep if his dog bites.


Chattanooga bus crash investigators report weather was clear and dry. Strong suspicion speeding and alcohol involved.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump
Many people would like to see @Nigel_Farage represent Great Britain as their Ambassador to the United States. He would do a great job!


Heads exploding in the Tory offices!!!



I really hope Trump's tv news tutorial today included lots of video excerpts. Tomorrow DT meets with NYT publisher and editors for an on the record session and an off the record session. I wonder what the defense is for knowingly defaming someone via print or pics?

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

-- I assume that legally she can't throw her out of the store or refuse to sell to her based on her husband's politics.--

Is that true? I thought one had to be a member of a protected class to be, you know, protected.
Just another unequal protection of the law like Sullivan.


Just another unequal protection of the law like Sullivan

Ouch! The idea was to give a “responsible” press leeway to make an honest mistake. The fear of prosecution otherwise might not allow citizens to receive the most complete information in context.

As I say, it did not envision corporate consolidation from independent TV stations and newspapers and the way they could be governmentally grabbed by the short hairs.

Beasts of England

But it's not my dog...

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Heading to bed.


Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

I understand the idea, sb, I just find it a bad one.
The effect has been to give legal protection to dishonest, non mistakes, so long as the guy doing the defaming doesn't put it in writing that he is knowingly and maliciously lying about someone.


A wonderful Andrew Breitbart interview from 2010.
"As relevant, if not more so, now as it was back then" - Legal Insurrection

Andrew Breitbart v. The Arrogant Bastards



so long as the guy doing the defaming doesn't put it in writing that he is knowingly and maliciously lying about someone.

That's why I was suggesting a possible compromise position to keep Sullivan but make it a lot easier to prove malice. The protection could apply to anyone writing or speaking about a public figure. Of course what defines 'public figure' is also a bit foggy.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Trying to see if I can link from my phone.
Hmm, seems to work.

Dave (in MA)

Why Goodell wants games in Mexico City is beyond me.

buccr morgan

Goodell night football is a mystery to many.

Janet ~ an obnoxious Trump supporter

Desperate Democrats Turn to Death Threats


Janet ~ an obnoxious Trump supporter

THis is kinda funny

from November 21, 2015 ·

via John HInderaker - "Weird new Democrat strategy: take unpopular positions, insult the voters."
"Apparently a large majority of Americans are un-American."


"It’s a novel strategy, not just taking unpopular positions but doing so aggressively, stridently and contemptuously. Who knows, maybe it will work. But I doubt it."

It didn't work.


New Thread but you better bring your reading glasses, as it's a long one.

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Raiders win. Get out of that cesspool of a city and get home safely, gents. GO RAIDERS!

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