Panic Watch At The Times

The Times greets its Dead Tree Readers on Saturday morning in a continuation of Meltdown Mode, offering this pairing:

With National Security Choices, Trump Builds Team to Bulldoze Status Quo

and

Trump Turns to His Right Flank to Fill National Security Posts

The "Bulldoze" story is billed as "news analysis", so let's check the analysis:

Mr. Trump swept into office promising to dispense with the political correctness of Washington’s establishment, and his choices reflect that. President George W. Bush assembled a Republican cabinet with a variety of shades of conservative ideology, including some members who challenged the president. Mr. Trump’s early decisions suggest he favors a cabinet that will echo his opinions.

Oh, groan. As a minor point, Bush claimed to be a uniter, not a divider, who implicitly promised restoration, nor revolution with a family brand that reeked of establishment.

But more importantly, it is nonsense to compare the early Trump choices with the totality of the Bush (or, if you prefer, Obama) choices. Bush's first choice, since you ask (these "reporters" turned analysts apparently did not) was Colin Powell. After filling a few minor posts, Bush rolled out John Ashcroft to liberal howls.

Trump may well be taking a different route. Any victor faces an immediate question - plant the flag and rally the loyalists, or extend an olive branch and placate the losers? The existence of this tactical question seems to have also escaped these Times "analysts".

Trump may well have concluded that any early concession to the establishment wing of the Republican Party would be viewed as betrayal by his base and weakness by his opponents. That calculation may or may not be correct, but it is certainly plausible and might seem to be worth mentioning. The closest The Times gets in the third-from-last paragraph:

Some analysts said they believed that Friday’s selections were intended to reward loyalty and appeal to Mr. Trump’s base. They held out hope that the next set of selections — for secretary of state and secretary of defense — would go to more moderate figures, much as Mr. Trump balanced out the selection of Stephen K. Bannon at the White House by naming Reince Priebus as chief of staff.

Keep Hope Alive!

By Saturday afternoon the inability of the Times to imagine that Trump might actually be implementing a strategy led to more daft "reporting":

Trump Meets With Romney as He Starts to Look Outside His Inner Circle

BEDMINSTER, N.J. — President-elect Donald J. Trump on Saturday moved to mend fences with political rivals after a divisive campaign, meeting with Mitt Romney, who had scathingly criticized him during the race as “a phony” and “a fraud,” to discuss naming him as secretary of state.

The outreach signaled a change in tone one day after Mr. Trump moved to elevate hard-liners to pivotal national security positions. It was not clear whether Mr. Trump offered the State Department post to Mr. Romney, or whether Mr. Romney, who has broken sharply with him on Russia, free trade and other issues, would accept if he did.

But some strategists argued that merely by reaching out to Mr. Romney, Mr. Trump was demonstrating an openness to new people and ideas, even from the unlikeliest of sources. It may also have been intended to inject the sort of unpredictability and spectacle into the transition process that the president-elect thrives on.

"Signaled a change in tone"? For my money it is a bit early to say that a tone has been set, let alone changed.

BONUS QUESTION: Do we like or loathe the idea of Mitt Romney as SecState? I think Mitt is a very shrewd observer of the world condition with a proven track record of excellent management skills and normally I would be thrilled to see him in a major cabinet post. My caveat - can he and Trump really bury the hatchet and work together? Will Trump attempt to inflict a series of humiliations on Romney (I am thinking of the Christie hostage video) which prompt him to resign, which would be disturbingly destabilizing?

Since you ask, if Putin is on the other side I would much rather have Romney in the room with him than Trump. As for Obama and Putin? Please - the former KGB chief must have needed all the resources of his intelligence background to even figure out what a community organizer does.

McCain had a background and temperament that could let him face off with Putin. Bush 43? C'mon. Bush 41, absolutely. Hillary? Better than Obama. Hmm, this is kind of fun - I might actually pick Hillary over Bush 43. Is it fair to put James Baker, a former SecState, in the mix? Baker, Shultz, Reagan - send 'em in! Bill Clinton ought to be ranked somewhere, as should Al Gore and John Kerry, I suppose. And don't go to sleep on Kerry - as a tactical ploy, boring Putin to death might pay off.

 

Comments

[daddy]

JMH "...And why on earth would anyone be willing to give up their current employment..."

I wonder how many unknown "perks" in terms of retirement benefits or termination bonus's or double dipping or Tax cuts or whatever might be hidden in the fine print of all these appointments to Federal positions. I know I have read a few stories before about how a guy can work a minuscule amount of time in some position and as a consequence receives extraordinary retirement benefits.

[henry - drunk on prog tears]

I'm gonna need more popcorn.

[Thomas Collins]

I love prog media's use of the term "hard liner". Why isn't Obama called a hard liner on the strategic tilt toward Imam Khameinei?

[common man]

If it was not for TM, I would not even know the NYT still exists. They used to cold call me wanting to know if I wanted their pathetic excuse for a news source. I scorched more than a couple of these earnest callers, so I guess they finally took me off the list...

[clarice]

i like the idea of boring Putin to death though.

[common man]

More likely a fatal laughing jag at that simpering fool...

[Beasts of England]

As I've said for years: Putin had to be absolutely astounded with Barry as president. That Obama is painfully dull is just one part; that he did so much to undermine our country's power and advantage must have left Putin trying constantly to identify the 'long game'.

[daddy]

Well here's a conundrum---TM posts a new thread, then 10 minutes later he posts a comment on the dead thread. So everybody make sure you go back over to the Dead Thread to read TM's comment.

Nice to see you in the comments TM, regardless what thread you show up in:) Cheers, and good luck on the hip business.

[Marlene]

According to the NH Union Leader,Scott Brown met with Trump about the Dept. of Veterans Affairs position. Brown said if offered,he will accept.

[Captain Hate]

That's not a conundrum, Tarhole.

[Jim Eagle]

Matt: Hey, Dean, got a minute?

Dean: Sure, what's up?

Matt: Look, I have a problem with a Trump story I want to do.

Dean: Okay, what is it?

Matt: I want to stay true to Mr. Pinch's promise of "honest" reporting but I can't do this with the Soros Sponsored story on Trump's move alt_right in national security. It won't fit the promise.

Dean: Okay. Can we pass it over to Editorials and let them run it?

Matt: No. Soros specifically said it had to be above the fold front page of we need to return his $500K. We don't even come close to that anymore in advertising according to Meredith (Levien).

Dean: So, what do you propose?

Matt: We could bill it as News Analysis not reporting, not real journalism, something even the CJR would approve as a legitimate method of delivering the news.

Dean: Do it!

[daddy]

As for Obama and Putin? Please - the former KGB chief must have needed all the resources of his intelligence background to even figure out what a community organizer does.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Regarding that march of harpies on the 21st: I am praying for bitter cold and snow, like the 1984 Inaugural.

I am not in a good mood as I had to hear about how my liking of Trump has stressed out my daughter.

I guess I will go to the grocery and buy a lottery ticket.

[daddy]

That's not a conundrum, Tarhole.

Well it is to me, Captain Hate, it's as big a conundrum as trying to make sense of some Sci-Fi time travel sequence or of trying to make sense of the Maryland Terp's Football uniforms:)

[daddy]

JiB at 03:59.

Excellent, tho' if they were really forward thinking they could just invite back Jason Blaire.

[buccr morgan]

I told you before, zaphod reminds one of a dumber patrice lumumba student.

[lurkersusie]

Hope Trump picks mad dog

Jennifer Jacobs
1h1 hour ago
Jennifer Jacobs ‏@JenniferJJacobs
James Mattis, retired Marines general and possible candidate for defense secretary or other national security post, now meeting with Trump.

Posted by: lurkersusie | November 19, 2016 at 04:06 PM

[lurkersusie]

Working hard to MAGA

Jason Miller ‏@JasonMillerinDC
Also coming to Bedminster tomorrow: @twshannon & @cathymcmorris "Trump to meet with Christie, Kobach, Giuliani http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/306883-trump-to-meet-with-christie-kobach-giuliani#.WDCHCEvg9pc.twitter …"

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

lurkersusie,

Me, too! I want them to have to say "Secretary of Defense James (MadDog) Mattis."

I want to see them sputter when they have to quote him!

I want to hear Trump say "Reince, get me Mad Dog on the phone."

Bwahahaha!

That will send my daughter into a new spiral of anziety. "Someone named Mad Dog is running the Pentagon!"

Snort.

[Jim Eagle]

Jack Keane still a better fit among retired military but if they pick Mad Dog, wouldn't it be fun to hear him tell Schumer "but if you fuck with me I will kill you, your children and all their known friends.":)

[daddy]

Now that the "Hamilton" Cast members have shown that the audience does not deserve the respect of watching the Play uninterrupted by Political sloganeering, wouldn't it make sense that audience members can now interrupt the Play whenever they choose in order to deliver their own Political sloganeering?

[buccr morgan]

On legends they went back to the west, where rory (purcell) almost screwed up a plan to take out trumbull (fahey) who was using dwarf star matter, to blow up the raillines into the west, and carve out a new country.

[clarice]

narcissi you and I may be the only 2 to get the Lumbumba reference..and yes, I agree.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Why yes, daddy, it does! For the exorbitant price of $200 you ought to be able to stand up and make them listen while you read some insults right back at them.

I always say it's good I don't live near where any of this stuff happens.

I am not rich enough to make bail.

[DebinNC]

Just as during his campaign, Trump appears to be indefatigable in his appointees-search, despite the msm wishing he weren't. A message of "Now under new management" is effectively being relayed imo.

[daddy]

FOX News just reported this about the "home Invasion" murder in Chicago yesterday of the Chicago Congressman's grandson:

"Police say the shooting was sparked by a disagreement over sneakers."

[clarice]

Burr winshttp://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/03/29/hamilton-casting-call-non-white/

[daddy]

#BringBackJasonBlair

To the gym.

[buccr morgan]

Her, they were the thirdworld students, who would be trained as assets, Carlos and ayatollah khamenei reputedly among the smarter cohort. Maduro, would be the summer school candidate, why I call him Tommy boy.

[clarice]

If only we'd played our cards right, narcisso..

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/11/19/uk-researchers-tax-food-to-reduce-climate-change/

[DebinNC]

"Also coming to Bedminster tomorrow: @twshannon

T.W. Shannon

[Threadkiller]

Since you ask, if Putin is on the other side I would much rather have Romney in the room with him than Trump

If failed presidential candidate and current Secretary of State aspirant, Romney, was in a diplomatic room, wouldn't it be with Sergei Lavrov instead of Putin?

[daddy]

On my #BringBackJasonBlair point:

What did Jason Blair do that was any different than what every reporter at the Times and on their Editorial page does to us on a daily basis?

Lying? Check.
Plagiarizing? Check.
Manipulating comments to skew their original meanings? Check.
Making stuff up out of whole cloth? Check?
Failing to include quotes opposed to their biased opinions? Check?

So other than lying to his White bosses, which he ought to be allowed to get away with since he is a person of color and has been hammered unjustly in life by White privilege, what did Jason Blair do that was worthy of firing that doesn't apply in spades to every other Reporter and Editor at the New York Times?

I say make Jason ride around on a horse for a week down in whatever camp sex addict Anthony Weiner is riding around in, and bring him back and give him a byline.

#BringBackJasonBlair

[Jim Eagle]

As promised, tonights episode of "Ernie's Denied The Truth", Chapter One:

"Ernie Souchak had taken a United flight from O’Hare to Reagan National, the reverse leg of the one he had taken back to Chicago two years ago, and arrived around 6:30 that evening. It was dark but clear and a little chilly, not like the “hawk” you would experience in the canyons of Chicago. The wind off Lake Michigan had been known to freeze piss before it could hit the ground.

He walked over to the Washington Metro’s Yellow Line stop and caught the next train to Gallery Place where he could transfer to the Red Line which would get him far enough up Connecticut Avenue it would be a 10 minute walk to where he wanted to go.

He was glad he had worn his best, and only, overcoat even though it was fraying at the cuffs and collars. A button was missing at the top so he had to wear an extra heavy scarf that had way too many coffee stains but the cleaner in Bucktown was a Pakistani who wanted 20 bucks to clean it.

‘Screw him and his camel’, Ernie would say to no one in particular. The lady sitting across from him on the train looked up from her paperback and stared at him.

Ernie got off the train at the Van Ness/UDC stop, took the escalator up and started his slightly uphill trek up Connecticut Avenue, under a waning moon in the dark November night, to his destination: The Comet Ping Pong Pizza Restaurant. The entry door to all the iniquities floating around in his fragile, un-medicated mind, like an unfinished jigsaw puzzle of a Jackson Pollack painting. As he walked north, the wind was in his face coming out of the north and he noticed that the stores and apartment blocks were already preparing for Christmas.

While in New York City, on Fifth Avenue on the corner of 56th Street, the next President of the United States was working on his transition team and pissing off members of his nascent White House Press Corp by going out to dinner with his family and not telling them. Over a well-done steak dinner at 21, Donald Trump was thinking he had made a great pick of Mike Pompeo as his CIA chief. Smiling, he turned to see his posse of dismayed reporters looking in the windows. As one them snapped a photo, he looked at them and gave a big “thumbs up.

Ernie only wished he could even watch someone eat a steak dinner, he was so starved. The contrast of life and expectations and sanity could never be more different.

‘That will be the first thing I do, is order a slice of Pizza’, he said to himself, loud enough to cause a man walking past him to turn his head and look at him. But he needed to hurry since it was Wednesday and the Pizza joint where everything and all was available would close at 9:30 tonight and he wanted more time to scope it out, talk to regulars, the bartender and wait staff. Ernie was in his investigative reporter mode and was feeling all the powers of competent journalism coming to him. In his mind he was imagining that when they made the movie about him, Dustin Hoffman would play him since John Belushi was dead.

As he crossed Ellicott Street he looked up to his right and saw a tall, muscular man of about 45 doing tai-chi on his balcony. He looked down to Ernie and kept moving in the rhythmic precision of soft exercise. Ernie could only wonder why someone would waste his time doing that stuff. Little did Ernie know that the gentleman on the balcony was there to intercept him at marker eight. Marker nine was 300 yards ahead.

As he passed the infamous, or famous, or notorious, Politics and Prose Bookstore, depending on your political leanings or cultural stance, it was were the progressive left of Washington came to meet folks of the same inclination. Or, if you were a straight, conservative guy, without any sexual reservations, as long as they were women, it was also one of northwest Washington’s more famous chick magnets.

As Ernie approached the door for Comet Ping Pong, he looked over his left shoulder at a commotion on the sidewalk across the street in front of Jake’s American Grill where a young couple was arguing very loudly about eating there or at Comet. Thankfully the young woman won and they went into Jakes. But all Ernie’s mind could register, calculate and evaluate was “Why”, why would the guy want to go to Comet instead of Jakes? All the code words started to work on him and he got more and more hungry.

Tom Maguire finished his tai chi and went inside to speak confidentially into his cell phone to his control at Langley. “Rumpy is still walking toward objective. Marker nine has him in sight. I am going to change and will further recon at target.” He then went to his bathroom, took a shower and changed into DC casual dress for an evening out at Comet Ping Pong. He brought along extra Trojans, just in case.

Back in Langley, at recon control, the main control operator picked up a desk phone and placed a call to Dr. Randall Fitzgerald, at St. Elizabeth’s Hospital to relay the latest position of Ernie Souchak. Dr. Fitzgerald listened without speaking and thanked the operator before hanging up. He then got up from his office chair, walked out of his office and down the hall to the reception desk where he told the night shift reception unit to expect a new delivery sometime before 10 o’clock this evening.

Next he placed a call to “the Judge” who lived on a large farm in Poolesville, Maryland about 25 miles northwest of Washington. It was the Judge who had brought Randall into the confidence of the “Division” and its newest to be target: Child trafficking and a pedophilia network the threatened the national security of America like nothing before it, even the Rosenberg’s. Little did Ernie Souchak and his mixing bowl of a mind understand the viper’s nest he was walking into? The Judge did and that worried him more than what Ernie would accidently trip over.

As Ernie, enter the door of Comet Ping Pong he was met by a miss-hit ball that ricocheted off his shin into the corner. A young guy of about 23 apologized bent down and picked it up, rising up to his six-foot height with a big smile. Ernie just looked at him, dodged his clumsy, rag-tag self around him to the bar. The restaurant was crowded. Every one of the numerous Ping-Pong tables was busy, all the other tables were packed and the bar had only one place available and he took it. The restaurant was a combination of post-modern warehouse hip industrial interior architecture and Nordic simplicity. Not what Ernie was used to in a Pizza joint.

The next thing he knew, the bartender had come over and asked him if he could get him a drink. “Hi, I’m Jim, or you can also call me Achilles, what will you have tonight?”

Ernie was surprised and just stood motionless not believing that the person he had come to get a look at was talking to him.

“Sorry. I was lost just taking in all those Ping-Pong tables in a Pizza parlor”, Ernie tried to hide his surprise and shrug it off with a hobbled response.

“Yes, we do like a little play once in a while, do you play?” asked Jim as he waited for Ernie to order.

It was then that Ernie felt he had entered the den of all evils. Tonight I meet the hell I have dreamt off and I have no idea how to handle it.

While Ernie was shrinking into his mentally unstable hole of paranoia, Tom Maguire in his Brooks Brothers cords, checkered shirt and blue comfy vest was punching in a coded call to a man in Poolesville sitting by a roaring fire, cocker spaniel by his side, smoking a Punch Churchill and drinking a glass of Vieux Chateau Certan Bordeaux.

When the Judge answered the short talk resulted in his command, “Lets see where he lead us”

Tonight, Ernie thought, “I will be on my way to a Pulitzer”, as the bartender named Jim, gave him a look of pure terror in his heart.

Yes, Ernie was certain he had walked right in to a story even a Marine would answer."

[common man]

Michigan now oh for 7 on third down. Losing to Indiana at the moment. So now Harbaugh trying to pitch away a chance at the national title. Actually a chance to be steam rolled by the Tide, so maybe I have unlocked the code on both Meyer and Harbaugh...

[Rocco]

So did Romney get a dinner?

The famous 1st baseman Joe Torre who didn't want to play catcher, because he didn't want to be known as Chicken Catcher Torre...didn't get a dinner.

Red Buttons

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Hey, a few of us dummies know what Patrice Lumumba U was.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Pence should, without doubt, have got up and walked out on those candy ass Hamilton cretins.
Whether he should have mooned them on his way out is a tougher call.

[peter]

Well, I didn't Iggy, but when I googled it, I learned that Carlos the Jackal is listed as their #2 notable alumni.

[Buford Gooch]

Looks like Peter Theil has an algorithm to vet candidates for the Trump administration. Peter is Chairman of the Board at Palantir, so it's likely pretty good.
LUN

[Tom Maguire]

...wouldn't it make sense that audience members can now interrupt the Play whenever they choose in order to deliver their own Political sloganeering?

Already done! To be Fair, the Hamilton cast waited until the show was over (or did I also read they greeted pence at the outset?).

But the audience was booing so loudly and often that some songs had to be stopped.

I am SO glad I did not fly in from Omaha and pay $400 bucks to learn that New Yorkers don't like Pence. Like we couldn't guess from the Manhattan vote totals, the Manhattan demonstrations, the Trump Tower protests...

[Jim Eagle]

Its now something like the Peoples Friendship University of Russia and I actually know someone who went to the original. He was a prof at Antioch University in Yellow Springs, Ohio. When I was in ROTC at UC, a few of us decided to see what the anti-war movement and domestic academic commies were all about and went to a Allen Ginsburg reading and meeting on a lark.

We stood out like roses in a weed garden. Our haircuts for one gave us away.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I remember that Red Buttons "neveh had a dinneh" routine, Rocco. :)

[common man]

"Esther, I am going to push your face in dough and make gorilla cookies." Redd Foxx ( in character as Fred Sanford ).

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

If Mittens stands up to our foreign enemies the way he did our domestic ones I hope Trump is merely setting the doofus up for some humiliating.
If Mittens had any moral sense or the courage of his convictions or shame for that matter he wouldn't have the nerve to go meet with the guy he stabbed in the back in the middle of the race to prevent the disastrous Caligula with a vag from being elected.

[daddy on iPad]

clarice's link above: UK Researchers: Tax Food to Reduce Climate Change

A group of researchers in Oxford University, England have suggested that imposing a massive tax on carbon intensive foods – specifically protein rich foods like meat and dairy – could help combat climate change.

So as I understand it, the brand new idea from the elite Left to the poor is this: Let Them Eat Cake!

Great idea! It didn't work so well in 1790, but maybe second time's the charm.

[common man]

Sorry we have tributed Red Skelton via Clem Kadiddlehopper and now Red Buttons. I felt it only right to shine the light on the comedy brillance of Redd Foxx. Most of his routine was too blue for publication, but his TV character was a great vehicle to showcase his huge talent and expose him to a wider audience...

[DebinNC]

Obama's Asia Pivot ... "But what began as a relationship infused with the hope that the United States and China would partner to confront global problems ended up as an even more competitive face-off between the two Pacific powers" ... And today BOzo's in Peru - impotent, irrelevant, and ignored by the Chinese honchos he tried to please by sending the WH visiting Dalai Lama out the "trash cans area" door.

[Beasts of England]

Superb writing, JiB!!

[Jim Eagle]

Wouldn't it be pure irony if Trump made Mitt Ambassador to the UK?

Its were the Mormon migration began.

One of the branches of our family tree became his disciples and ended up in the west. One became a famous western artist and another an all-American at USC and pro at the 49er's.

[DebinNC]

I don't know why Pence didn't anticipate the reaction he got, or what purpose he might have seen in getting booed. Almost impossible for me to believe he was completely surprised by it.

[Captain Hate]

or of trying to make sense of the Maryland Terp's Football uniforms:)

Here's all you need to know: they aren't pussy blue.

[daddy on iPad]

I am SO glad I did not fly in from Omaha and pay $400 bucks to learn that New Yorkers don't like Pence. Like we couldn't guess from the Manhattan vote totals, the Manhattan demonstrations, the Trump Tower protests..

TM,

As a wise man ass once said, " Any town stupid enough to support a Broadway production of "Cats" is a town stupid enough to vote for Hillary. "

[Matt - deplore me if you must]

"Mr Xi and Mr. Putin, I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I'll kill you all"

Dr Strangelove

[Captain Hate]

I agree, Deb; I don't know his public persona enough to know what drove him to venture in (other than the perfectly reasonable desire to see it) but I could understand him thinking "I wonder if these assholes are capable of taking the high road".

[Jim Eagle]

Before RG can beat me to it.

Gators win, Gators win, 16-10 over LSU. Meet Alabama in Atlanta for the SEC title. Captain Hate's "Criminoles" next week.

We are going down to our Florida home-under-renovation for Thanksgiving. But our big event looking forward to is the Game in B'aldmore on the 10th of December as we do Army-Navy again.

No game like it.

[common man]

Yeah, the guy that designed those Terp jerseys was a long time ( and I mean long time ) follower of Timothy Leary...

[Buckeye]

Common man

I had to run to the store for Mrs. Buckeye right after the game.

Well played. Sparty's defense nearly ended our long shot at another meet up with the Tide.

That would be a heartbreaker. I really want to shame Beasts into a meetup at the National Championship.

He still owes me left seat time in his Ferrari, which he no longer even has, because of a little bet we made the last time we took on the Tide:)

[jimmyk]

Catching up, this from the last thread:

Oh,the son-in-law said it is within theatre protocol to make an "announcement" during bows, political or otherwise.

The few plays I've gone to, the announcement is usually that the actors will be standing outside the theater to collect donations for some cause like AIDS research. Never to embarrass someone in the audience. Of course they didn't succeed in embarrassing Pence, just themselves.

It would be nice to see ticket sales plummet, but unfortunately there are plenty of people who applauded the actions of this smug twit.

[common man]

Buckeye

OSU did what it took to win on a horrible weather day. Congrats again.

I was going to say they are going to need to do more than run Barrett repeatedly against the corn and blew defense, but after watching them sleep walk through this match with Indiana, maybe that will be enough.

[DebinNC]

I think IA beat IL and NE beat MD, both states Trump won, and I now root for. Had to be neutral re the OSU/MI game.

[Jim Eagle]

The left have broadway and the right have Nashville but not for long as I understand it even C&W has going to the left. Any shit-kicking music fans out there to rebut?

[daddy on iPad]

Wouldn't it be pure irony if Trump made Mitt Ambassador to the UK?

Its were the Mormon migration began.

JiB, And don't forget their early success in those same years in the Scandanavian countries, culminating thankfully in all those gorgeous Norwegian Utah babes many of us slobber over: (i.e. Caro:)

The Beach Boys: Salt Lake City

There's a park near the city, yeah
All the kids dig the Lagoon now
It's full of all kinds of girls
And rides and we'll be flyin' there soon now
And girl for girl
They've got the cutest of the Western states
They got the sun in the summer
And winter time the skiing is great yeah
Salt Lake City we'll be coming soon

Religious Immigration. Sometimes it's a good thing.

[PD]

FOX News just reported this about the "home Invasion" murder in Chicago yesterday of the Chicago Congressman's grandson:

I thought Mr. Rahm made a statement recently about keeping Chicago safe, or was that just for illegal immigrants?

[Captain Hate]

Sparty's defense nearly ended our long shot at another meet up with the Tide.

I think it should have ended it. This version of the Buckeyes just has too many lackluster performances against subpar teams, including that steaming turd they dropped in Sanduskyville, to be considered worthy of the playoffs. What works in their favor is the NCAA likes that imbecile AD, Gene Smith, who should've walked the plank with the Sweater Vest for his lack of oversight, because he's willing to venture out on their basketball selection show and mumble some incomprehensible mish mash of why one team was included and another wasn't.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

DebinNC,

I don't know why Pence didn't anticipate the reaction he got, or what purpose he might have seen in getting booed. Almost impossible for me to believe he was completely surprised by it.

Well, not very many people are talking about the Trump University lawsuit settlement, are they?

Instead, the SJW's are all admiring of the Hamilton cast's "bravery" and the rest of the country (even a lot of democrats) think they were rude jerks.

"Hey, Mike! Here's the deal. Go over with Karen and put up with this crap for a couple of hours. You'll come out smelling like a rose and those jerks will make fools of themselves. In return, I will let you sit in on the meeting with Romney to show you how it's done."

[DebinNC]

Mitt served his LDS mission in the Bordeaux area of France. I'm guessing the "no alcohol allowed" bit was a tough sell.

[maryrose]

No matter how much they cry, ridicule or try to mock the election results will remain the same.
They backed a loser and have 4 years to get over it
TM:
Happy Birthday this month.
Love to see you posting.
Iggy:

Prayers continue for you and your son.
Have fun in Hawaii clarice!

[DebinNC]

LOL, MM! That's brilliant!

[Frau Edith Steingehirn]

In the midst of all this instigated carp, it's good to look at the foot of Trump's Throne of Skulls

and count my blessings.

Hey, a couple of us still alive remember Lumumba when he was still *alive*. Here from the San Jose Department of economics"

It was a tragedy that he was killed, but it was inevitable once he was given power and threatened to bring Soviet troops to the Congo. As to who killed him the question is still open, but to some extent the answer is irrelevant because if that group had not killed him another group in the Congo would have. No one could tolerate having the threat of Soviet intervention hanging over them if Lumumba ever returned to political power anywhere.

LUN for those who wish to know which country Lumumba applied to for citizenship and was accepted.

[Buckeye]

CH

Can't argue about the lackluster performance, but sometimes better to be lucky than good.

[maryrose]

CH:
Totally agree.
Michigan State has a losing record and this is the best they could do?

[Captain Hate]

Any shit-kicking music fans out there to rebut?

Most of "modern country" is just recycled rock with Stetsons covering the bald spots and Newgrass is a bunch of Gram Parsons who aren't completely self destructive; but the base of country music is still very conservative and family oriented.

[Jim Eagle]

Friuau,

One of the more proud citizens of Belgium. If you knew the present ones, you'd agree.

[Frau Edith Steingehirn]

Not only recruiting for immigrants, the LSD church established active churches in Prussia, Switzerland and Great Britain during the late 1800s.

[Frau Edith Steingehirn]

Got your attention, perhaps, with my typo of LSD for LDS.
Off to clean my glasses...

[daddy on iPad]

Who knew Haley Joe grew up to be a poll watcher in Durham?

North Carolina governor race is still
undeclared as Republicans say ´dead
people and felons´ were casting ballots´

[clarice]

very good ,jib.

daddy --notice those monsters were eating as they proposed this. psst..you can buy into my pitchfork concession now, before the stock really soars.

[Frau Edith Steingehirn]

JiB - precies goed!

[DebinNC]

BOzo chickens coming home to roost ...
"Though Obama championed the TPP as a way to counter China’s rise, his administration has now stopped trying to win congressional approval for the deal that was signed by 12 economies in the Americas and Asia-Pacific, but excluded China. Without U.S. approval the agreement as currently negotiated cannot come to fruition. ... China’s Xi is selling an alternate vision for regional trade by promoting the Beijing-backed Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP), which as it stands excludes the Americas." [Reuters] ... and BOzo is stuck at the APEC in Peru with the Chinese delegates and forced to smile and pretend he still matters.

[daddy on iPad]

Mitt served his LDS mission in the Bordeaux area of France. I'm guessing the "no alcohol allowed" bit was a tough sell.

Oh geez, not another Sec State who can speak French:(

[daddy on iPad]

daddy --notice those monsters were eating as they proposed this. psst..you can buy into my pitchfork concession now, before the stock really soars.

Clarice, Psst, I can probably get them made at half the cost in China, and I'll smuggle 'em in if we go partners 50/50. Shhhhhh:)

Deal?

[Captain Hate]

Buckeye, there just aren't many better than good Div 1 teams this year. O$U rolled up 63 points on the Cornholers and they're still in the Top 20. Imo it's Alabama and everybody else, although U$C was very impressive last week when they rolled Washington in their crib.

[JM Hanes]

The New York Times discovers The_Donald, God Emperor of the Internet....

[jimmyk]

daddy, while you're smuggling pitchforks, can you get some more of those Kinder Eggs too?

Now if China could also produce those Commander 450 shower heads they could be the richest country in the world.

[JimNorCal]

OK, I know 8 is lowballing it, but ... If you just assume that everything the media told you for the last 8 years is a lie you won't go far wrong.

Daddy: "What did Jason Blair do that was any different than what every reporter at the Times and on their Editorial page does to us on a daily basis?"

[Threadkiller]

Not everything was a lie...

[deus vplt buccaneer morgan]

I say reportedly because Carlos's time there doesn't really match, according to an investigation, that david yallop did. also with the Cuban dgi tie, the part with Khamenei
is clearer.

[Beasts of England]

I owe you some kind of compensation, Buckeye, that's for sure. Maybe you can swing by next boating season! :)

Where is the championship game this year? Not that I'm counting my chickens or anything - purely academic.

[Beasts of England]

Nashville (Davidson county) went blue in this election. I'm not sure how much it's infecting the music - if at all - but it's invidious.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

JM Hanes,

Those guys are NOT running out of steam, as the end of the article predicts.

The article doesn't really go into detail, but that site is followed by Don Jr., Dan Scavino, Eric Trump and other lower-level people in the campaign.

They indeed do an "Ask Me Anything" from Trump. He answered 7-8 questions while on his plane between campaign stops. Many of the memes have been retweeted by people in the campaign, including the famous Trump Pepe which infuriated the leftists. (I think that one is when they started referring to it as a Nazi Frog.)

They are dedicated to Trump and nationalism. I think at least 20% would take a bullet for him, and that is not an exaggeration. Quite a few have given up drinking and smoking because of Trump, which frankly, I find amazing.

Porchlight can elaborate on this more, as I have only been following them for a few months. It's really quite an amazing phenomenon. The Times doesn't really understand it totally. Their tone is sort of like anthropologists describing a primitive tribe.

[deus vplt buccaneer morgan]

maybe he should go see Hamilton,

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/29988/

[clarice]

deal. daddy!

[Buckeye]

Beasts, game is in Tampa

Just teasing about the left seat, not like I got off my fat behind and came down to 'Bama:)

[deus vplt buccaneer morgan]

Thayer aerospace is a Division proprietary, just so you know.

[Buckeye]

BTW, see you are down 3 chickens at the moment.

[Neo]

Leading men are so cliched. They're so boring, so predictable. But when you get a really kooky, offbeat villain you can explore all kinds of devious twistings and turnings in the human mind. If you're a hero, well, they're all interchangeable. I don't think they're so interesting as these basic characters, which are the mainstay of all the shows anyway. People tend to remember the villains more than the heroes. Everybody wants to hiss and boo. It gives them a sense of superiority because they can feel, "Well, at least I'm not as bad as he is.". -- John Colicos

[clarice]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/awesome-pro-trump-flash-mob-breaks-hamilton-theater-nyc-video/

[Janet]

What did Jason Blair do that was any different than what every reporter at the Times and on their Editorial page does to us on a daily basis?

I think about that whenever there is a hate crime hoax.
A kooky guy in Austin claims Whole Foods writes 'fag' on his cake.
4 Congressmen in DC claim some citizens call them 'nigger'.

Both stories are lies.
The one guy gets shamed for his lie.
The 4 Congressmen ... nothing happens.

[Jack is Back!(On his iPhone)]

buc,

Noticed how I worked both Pompeo and the Division in both😀