Happy MLK Day

Let's have the traditional "The Pack is Back" open thread.

MORE: There may be more examples but this is the second post-election time I have noticed Josh Marshall of TPM attempting to provide adult leadership to his fellow progressives, and good luck to him. Let me try these excerpts:

The Case for Not Being Crybabies

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There was a further uproar when Trump shouted down CNN's Jim Acosta when Acosta tried to insist that Trump answer a question from CNN if he was going to loudly attack the organization's integrity. Later Trump's incoming Press Secretary Sean Spicer threatened to kick Acosta out of future press conferences if he didn't show Trump more respect. This weekend brought news that the new administration is considering kicking the White House press corps out of the White House. And finally on Sunday, in a meeting with the President of the White House Correspondents Association, Spicer "expressed concern that journalists adhere to a high level of decorum" at press conferences and briefings. This presumably came in a meeting pressing the new administration not to clamp down on access to the President and the White House.

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Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that these things are not important or that all these threats aren't a very bad sign. It is vastly preferable to have a President who believes in or at least respects American and democratic values. But let's get real: we don't or wont't as of Friday. Trump is a would-be authoritarian and a bully. He's surrounded by mediocrities who owe all to him and Feel validated by enabling his endless transgressions. Of course, he's doing these things. We know Trump's MO. He will bully people until they're cowed and humiliated and obedient. He'll threaten to kick the reporters out of the White House and then either cut a 'deal' or make some big to-do about 'allowing' the reporters to stay. These are all threats and mind games meant not so much to cow the press as make them think Trump is continually taking things away from them and that they need to make him stop.

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I've been surprised at the extent to which right-thinking people are all but threatening themselves with what Trump might do to, collapsing into their own sense of powerlessness. Maybe he'll jail his opponents! Maybe he'll call off the 2018 election! Here it is worth remembering things we learned from the campaign. Trump's one true gift is his ability to get his critics to surrender up their own dignity somehow of their own free will. That is just what he is trying to do to the press at this moment. It's no different from the dominance politics he played on his opponents in the GOP primaries.

This is tricky advice since progressives routinely compete for Biggest Victim status (cf Meryl Streep whinging bout the vilification of Hollywood). However, Dr. Marshall is surely correct that letting Trump dictate the mind games being played is foolish.

But enough praise! This passage merits at least a smile:

Trump is the most unpopular incoming President in American history. We only have data on this going back a few decades. But there's little reason to think any President in previous decades or centuries has been this unpopular.

Hmm. Seven states seceded between Lincoln's election (with 40% of the popular vote) and inauguration (in March 1861). So far with Trump on the horizon, only California is threatening to secede.

A mere civil war is not hard and fast polling proof but the case could be argued that Lincoln's early days were even less popular and more divisive than Trump. Then again, few pundits want to argue that Trump is Lincolnesque. Awkward!

Comments

[Thomas Collins]

Pack and Steel will be having wrap-up meetings after next weekend, as the Belis and Mattys prepare for the SB.

[Thomas Collins]

I wonder whether my post above will incite GUS to use extra large caps in rebuttal. :-)

[Dave (in MA)]

GO PATS!

[henry]

the era of smug ends on Friday.... the Pat's next game is after that.

[Thomas Collins]

All right! Some JOM fan talk! Remember, henry, I, to the bemusement of some of my friends here, picked Denver over NE in last year's NFC Championship Game. This year, I believe the only team with the defense to topple Foxborough was the Texans, who didn't have the offensive power.

[Thomas Collins]

Make that AFC Championship Game last year.

[henry]

I gave up on the Packers as mediocre at about game 4 this year. That they keep winning tells me much about the rest of the league.

[Thomas Collins]

I agree, henry, that there is no dominant team this year. But then again, the 1969 Colts, 2001 Rams and 2007 Pats were all considered dominant teams, and they all lost. I think any of the Final Four this year could be receiving the Lombardi Trophy from Goodell. The most entertaining awards ceremony, however, would be Bob Kraft, Jonathan Kraft and Brady receiving the trophy from Goodell.

[Thomas Collins]

So, Texans fans, do you give up a first round draft choice for Garoppolo? Or do you hope Savage or Osweiler grows into a championship QB (not that there is any guarantee that Garops is a championship QB).

[henry]

Pats represent a world of smug. Me no like.

[Thomas Collins]

Remember, henry, that Steelers, Cowboys, Packers and Giants have been the NFL establishment for a long time. Pats were a joke in the Billy Sullivan era. Belichick was mocked as a control freak failure in Cleveland when he came to New England to become HC of the NEP. I think it's more resentment than smugness. Some of it is overdone, but keep in mind that if Belichick had blatantly tripped a kick returner, as Tomlin did, the reaction from the NFL front office would have been harsher. Not to mention that Aaron Rodgers, as far as I know, wasn't called in to 'splain himself to Goodell when he announced that he tries to get his balls overinflated (but kudos to Rodgers for his ball busting irony).

[Thomas Collins]

Irony? I meant honesty. Must have been autocorrect.

[Thomas Collins]

Irony? I meant honesty. Must have been autocorrect.

[henry]

Perhaps TC. It gets wrapped up with the Rex Sox, Harvard, Yankees cloud of smug. I remember the useless Pats of old, never liked them either. (flyover land perspective)

[RattlerGator]

Happy MLK Day to one and all. A re-post:

Brainiac / JiB, I'm suppressing my crazy need to defend all things Florida. You're welcome.

* * *

But I have to revisit this:

(on the current composition of Catholics and Jews on the Supreme Court)

I agree, anonamom.

Posted by: Beasts of England | January 15, 2017 at 10:12 PM

I disagree, anonmom.

The study of law is in no way, shape or form susceptible to the proper differentiation found in the study of the hard sciences. We started down the crazy road we're currently on legally (obsessing over the right subjective credentials as if they match the objective credentials of the hard sciences) with the in-house desire by the legal profession to be seen on the same terms as the hard sciences.

This is bogus. It will always be bogus. People in the hard sciences know this; so do many lawyers. It is a professional conceit, as is (again, IMHO) the assertion those on this Supreme Court studied harder and were more talented than their peers. They weren't, and they aren't. That's not to say they aren't worthy.

Factually, there is no requirement those on the Supreme Court be graduates of law schools. We need a broader pool of members on the Court, more than one being a NON-LAWYER, and we need more Justices from around America. Finally, we absolutely need fewer Ivy League graduates. The taint, and I mean this quite seriously, is just that strong. The foolishness we see in D.C. today very clearly has its roots in an Ivy League based foolishness of unearned superiority.

This next assertion may be a step too far (may!) but -- on the Florida Supreme Court -- our Justices are chosen based upon five regional District Courts of Appeal around the state. These, essentially, are seats allocated to the individual DCA's in order to foster geographic diversity, with two members selected at-large. At the very least, IMHO, Donald Trump should informally include this consideration for any vacancies on the Court that occur during his term.

So, [1] add some non-lawyers who are accomplished thinkers with broader, non-governmental experience and [2] increase the regional diversity on the Court. Both should be priorities over and above anyone the academies and associations certify as worthy.

* * *

Time to eat and watch some holiday pro basketball. I'm getting really excited for Friday, Inauguration Day.

[Thomas Collins]

OK, henry and other fans of the Pack. No googling. What is the significance of 37-0 and 16-7 in Packers history.

[Captain Hate]

(not that there is any guarantee that Garops is a championship QB).

There's a lot of evidence that Patriots QBs going elsewhere play poorly.

[maryrose]

I am now in favor of Atlanta and dare I say it-the Patriots.
Don't want Steelers or Packers.All my faves lost with the exception of Atlanta.

[maryrose]

I'll gladly take Grapo for the Browns.

[Thomas Collins]

Cassel wasn't a bust, but certainly wasn't a ball of fire after he left NE, CH. By the way, what do you think Cleveland should do with its draft picks? I say do whatever is necessary to build a kick butt offensive line and go from there. Only draft a QB if he is considered a sure fire star (and I don't see any of those in this draft).

[Thomas Collins]

Do you think the Cleveland offensive line is top quality, maryrose? I am in favor of the Parcells approach that emphasizes getting those beefy athletic types up front.

[Captain Hate]

I'd concentrate on the defense, CT, which was a sieve last season as has already been acknowledged with the hiring of Gregg Williams. He is a 4-3 guy which will automatically improve at least two rookies who were ill used in the 3-4. Then start concentrating on the O line and don't squander a high choice on a QB until you can protect him.

[Thomas Collins]

How about Tony Romo to finish his career in Denver? Prescott proved himself a playoff QB in defeat, and Romo's shelf life his running out, but perhaps he could at the end of his career do for Denver what Peyton Manning did.

[henry - drunk on prog tears]

37-0 etc. no clue.

I was a Cowboys fan until the current owners bought them. Plus, I'm not big on sports trivia.

[Thomas Collins]

I respectfully disagree with you, RG. There are critters naturally excellent at legal analysis, just as there are naturally great mathematicians and physicists. But it is too much to expect excellence to predominate at the SCOTUS level. The process is too political (not a bad thing necessarily, but not the type of process that necessarily results in top rate legal minds ending up on SCOTUS).

The top rate legal minds are often at private firms doing litigating and securities or tax or debtor/creditor rights planning for clients, and we will never hear of them.

[Thomas Collins]

37-0 and 16-7 were the scores of Lombardi's first two NFL titles as coach of the Packers, henry. Anyone want to guess the losing team? Same one in both games.

[Thomas Collins]

Bork is an example of a top rate legal mind who was kept off SCOTUS due to raw politics.

[Captain Hate]

Gotta be the Cowboys, TC.

[Thomas Collins]

NY Football Giants, CH. But the Cowboys certainly have the two most memorable losses to the Pack in championship games (1967 NFL Championship Game and yesterday's NFC Championship Game).

[Frau Steingehirn]

OT - for narciso
via Insty: "The charges against his wife, Noor Salman, included aiding and abetting his (Omar Mateen) attempts to support ISIS, as well as obstruction of justice.

FBI agents from the bureau’s San Francisco field office picked up Salman outside her home in Rodeo, Calif., law enforcement sources said."

How long did it take the FBI to check her former home? Since she was said, AFAIR, to have been a special ed student, will she get assistance under the disabilities act?

[Captain Hate]

Yesterday wasn't the NFC championship game; the Pack against Atlanta is.

[Thomas Collins]

Sorry, CH. Thanks for the correction. That game was so back and forth at the end, it had the feel of a championship game.

[narciso]

Probably I wrote a post last June about the rest of the story, the pastor, the ex body guard of the blind sheik, the whole megilla

[Beasts of England]

T minus 95 hours.

[lurkersusie]

95 long hours

The Washington Times
The Washington Times – ‏@wtimespolitics

Obama sends aide to Cuba to sign agreement http://ow.ly/nd4V508CTyS

Deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes is meeting with Cuban officials about cultural engagements and establishing a legal framework for “counternarcotics, counterterrorism, legal cooperation, and money laundering, including technical exchanges that contribute to a strong U.S.-Cuba law enforcement relationship,” the White House said.

[Beasts of England]

He's never met a commie that he didn't love, lurkersusie. A long 95 hours, indeed.

[James D.]

TC @ 2:16

The Giants actually lost five championship games in 6 years (vs. Baltimore in 58-59, vs. Green Bay in 61-62 and then vs. Chicago in 63).

And then the bottom fell out in 1964, and they didn't make the playoffs again until 1981.

[Buckeye]

Wonder if the real estate agents in the Metro DC area are busy??

[daddy]

Good Morning.

Rush Limbaugh in Hour 1 doing excellent work by giving well deserved criticism to the previously uncriticizable Civil Rights Icon, John Lewis.

MAGA Ditto's, Rush!

[Captain Hate]

Just checking, is Amy Schumer still fat, dumb, ugly and unfunny? I think those Old Navy ads meant that glamorous makeover didn't fool anybody.

[James D.]

RG @ 1:38

Definitely agree about looking past just the Ivies for SC justices.

It's such a easy argument to make, too. Just because Harvard & Yale are regarded as the top law schools in the country, doesn't mean that a SC-qualified judge can't come from elsewhere.

Clemson and Alabama are the two best college football teams in the country, but you wouldn't expect every future all-pro in this year's draft to come from one of those two schools (and you wouldn't expect every player drafted from those programs this April to be an all-pro).

[Jim Eagle]

TC,

But those two wins against the Giants in 61 and 62 were not Lombardi's first NFL title game: His Packers lost to the Eagles in 1960.

Niever had a losing season as the Packers HC. Took them over in 59 after a 1-10-1 season in 58. I think they went 7-5 and he was named coach of the year.

[Old Lurker]

"Deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes"

Those words in that order stop me in my tracks every time I see them.

[Jim Eagle]

OL,

If Ben Rhodes is establising "the legal framework for US & Cuban cooperation", can't Trump just call it more fiction-writing and not operable?:)

[daddy]

FOX breaking News says 3 more Dem Congresscritters just announced they will refuse to attend the Inauguration.

Personally I don't give a damn. I want a list of their names for future reference, but E'ff them and if they suffer payback, so be it.

[Captain Hate]

Wasn't that Packer loss to the Iggles in the "runner up game" (window into the old enneffell)?

The Horde is slattering Ronda Rousey: She's about as dominant as Barry with a pillow between his teeth.

[Old Lurker]

"FOX breaking News says 3 more Dem Congresscritters ..."

Was Shep sexually excited to report that?

[Jim Eagle]

These Democrat congressmen and ladies will sooner or later be asked by their more influential or affluent or ranked constituents for provate tour tickets to the WH. Imagine telling them they are all out and the waiting list is 4 years long.

There are other issues, means, special monies etc. controlled by the WH and the POTUS. Do these silly and stupid Congressmen and ladies believe a guy like Trump will forget who they are when the time comes? He is exactly the kind of guy who will remember their name.

[Old Lurker]

"... silly and stupid Congressmen and ladies ..."

That is a universe of 535. No Venn Diagram required.

[Jim Eagle]

Oh, I mean't to mention that a large portion of the Project Veritas video of the DisruptJ20 meeting with the potential disruptor leadership was filmed in [drumroll, please] - Comet Ping Pong Pizzariea.

[daddy]

Not surprised, the Russians run a professional media op, the dems only smart enough to fool the press corpse.

Well done, Narciso!

[Captain Hate]

I looked it up and JiB was correct for 1960. I need more data on the runner up game. BBL

[Beasts of England]

After the last two days I was beginning to think that 'Civil Rights Icon' were John Lewis' first three names.

[Captain Hate]

Here's a link to the game I was talking about, none of which featured the Packers versus the Iggles.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playoff_Bowl

[maryrose]

Get some Independent followers of Trump to run a campaign against these Dem jokers as well a Republican candidate
Throw these unpatriotic bums out of office by the ballot box
Rescind their invites to all events is State of the Union and any big state event or Congressional activity.
Look at their districts and send a landing team in to find waste fraud and abuse.
Get The IRS to audit them for the last 10 years to see how they are becoming rich.

[daddy]

QUIZ TIME: "Guess who's out of the drunk tank and heading back to FOX News?

A) Andrea Tantaros

B) Bob Beckel

C) Rita Cosby

D) Gretchen Carlson

E) A Dead Raccoon

The envelope please....

And the answer is...

[Beasts of England]

Absolutely, maryrose!!

[sidwhite]

I posted this on the dead thread by mistake but it seems to still apply:

Trying to catch up during lunch and failing miserably. I did not see this anywhere in my high speed scan, --- Lucianne (1:41 today)by Tom Lifson -- article that AT:

"...wants access White House briefings, and we have a correspondent who has agreed to take the job. The name of that correspondent is Clarice Feldman."

WOW

Now, back to work.....

[daddy]

The Beeb shocked me by including this para:

"It's all too easy to take a swipe at "Davos" - the annual Alpine pilgrimage of the so-called global elite, during which they underline the urgency of tackling climate change to the hum of private jet traffic, pledge to alleviate food poverty while snacking on caviar canapes, and commit to reducing inequality while being waited on hand-and-foot by an army of service staff at exclusive dinner parties."

I'm scratching my head here. If Davos is only the "so-called" global elite, then who the hell is "the real," not the "so called" Global Elite?

[Buckeye]

Clemson and Alabama are the two best college football teams in the country,

Rubbing it in JamesD?:)

[maryrose]

I would love for Clarice to be able to ask questions of President Trump!
3 more days of doofus...
This is the longest week of my life.
Obama reminds me of the SNL skit about the guest or thing who wouldnt leave when the evening was over.

[-peter]

Can the dead raccoon replace Juan please?

[maryrose]

Clemson and Alabama are the best two college teams.

[maryrose]

Peter:
That is hilarious
Juan Williams is NPR's seconds who Fox graciously gave a job to after he was fired.

[JimNorCal]

matt from prev thread "About Catholic schools ... here in California, over 50% of the students are non-Catholic because of sports and academics."

We resemble that remark :)

Our youngest was not making it at Challenger private school so we switched her to a nearby Catholic school. It isn't strong academically, not bad of course just normal. About a third non-Catholic I'd say. People are super nice and pretty rich in general. We wanted our daughter, if not excelling in her studies, to at least become a good person (ethically). I think it's happening but she's also being exposed to people who judge by economic status (Dad, I'll be ashamed if I get dropped off from the Chevy). The school has a wonderful buddy system that links new families with host families. There were social events in the summer so kids could bond and establish friendships. At a pool party the parents started to pour out wine. My buddy parent looked at me and explained "We're Catholic. We drink."
It's been fun and educational to hang with the community. :)

[Marlene]

Inquiring minds want to know if Roger Goodell will show up in Foxborough for the game. :)

[maryrose]

Some of our best retreat leaders have been non- catholic and everyone benefits from the experience.
It enables some students to get out of their hot house tomato existence.

[maryrose]

Marlene:
Goodell better.
He is commissioner for all the teams.
The fact that the Patriots came this far with Brady missing four games is a testament to their teamwork.

[maryrose]

I know, I know,
You want to ask"Who are you and what have you done with Mary Rose?"

[daddy]

Just got to Clarice's link on the previous thread to John Brennen.

Simply making the observation that Brennen, whatever anyone thinks of him, comes across as an unsavory character who garners zero sympathy. He's haughty, unfriendly, gruff, relatively ugly, opinionated, dismissive, and secretive. I felt that way about him even before I hated his guts. I think Trump is lucky to have such an unappealing enemy.

Go ahead MSM. Waste as much ink as you want trying to garner sympathy for this jerk as some kind of heroic moral victim of Donald Trump, but that's going to be one hell of a hard sell to America.

[Buckeye]

(Dad, I'll be ashamed if I get dropped off from the Chevy)

Students at our high school have assigned parking spots in the school lot if they win a lottery for a slot.

The kid that parked next to Jr. was the son of the the car dealer magnate in town.

The russo red Ferrari 360 he parked occasionally next to Jr.'s 86 Saab made it look a little shabby, but we didn't have to worry about door dings:)

[Buckeye]

Simply making the observation that Brennen, whatever anyone thinks of him, comes across as an unsavory character who garners zero sympathy. He's haughty, unfriendly, gruff, relatively ugly, opinionated, dismissive, and secretive. I felt that way about him even before I hated his guts. I think Trump is lucky to have such an unappealing enemy.

Touche' daddy.

You really have to start thinking about writing your first best-seller:)

[Jim Eagle]

We only had one non-Catholic in Frederick's Florida school. She was in his class and Jewish but no a observant one. Her biological parents were Jews (which I still pull m mey chin) who gave her up for adoption. Sort of really, really weird. Never understood but she decided to honor the Jewish traditions and avoided pork, for example.

Sweet kid and played on the school soccer team that I would deliver to games in Jacksonsville, Fernadina Beach and St. Augustine. We always stopped at a Taco Bell or Pizza joint after the game. She always reminded me she couldn't eat anything pork.

Matt mentioned in California the number of non-catholics in their schools especially to play sports. I never experienced that but I do know that in some areas like Cincinnati with some of the most competitive high school football teams in the country they are able teo recruit kids from outside their nominal district. But all the ones I knew who did that were Catholic. Roger Staubach comes to mind.

[Jim Eagle]

Maryrose proving once again the benefits of wine to Catholics.

[Beasts of England]

My Sharia Noor finally arrested! I guess she was finished traveling and Lynch thought it was safe enough for her to be apprehended since the election is over and all...

[Comanche Voter]

Most unpopular incoming President ever!

That's because the hypocritical hyenas who wet themselves in October over Trump's reluctance to say that he would accept the election results---Oh the HORROR of it all! How un American! etc.

Those hyenas are now wee wee'd up and can't accept the election results.

Sometimes snowflakes are just flakes. Vicious flakes it is true, but flakes nonetheless.

[Buckeye]

I never experienced that but I do know that in some areas like Cincinnati with some of the most competitive high school football teams in the country they are able teo recruit kids from outside their nominal district. But all the ones I knew who did that were Catholic. Roger Staubach comes to mind.

Same here Jack. My friend who went to Harvard Law with Zero had his son recruited by St. Charles Prep in Columbus to fill a hole in the offensive line.

His mom is Catholic, but he hadn't gone to a Catholic school prior.

A booster spotted him at Mass one Sunday, pretty hard to miss:) He ended up anchoring a few swim team spots also.

[Beasts of England]

Some kid drove a 360 Modena to high school? That's a little much...

[windansea]

He's surrounded by mediocrities who owe all to him and Feel validated by enabling his endless transgressions.

hmm, this statement conflicts with the "richest cabinet in history" meme doesn't it?

[Janet the expert]

I posted this on FB.

I wonder why they called it a woman's march? It actually looks like a march for unions with some green activist organizations & Islamic organizations thrown in...
Some of the Partners - Women's March on Washington:

1199 SEIU
AFL-CIO
AFSCME
Rutgers AAUP-AFT
350.org
American Federation of Teachers, AFL-CIO
Arab American Association of New York
Asian Pacific American Labor Alliance, AFL-CIO (APALA)
Association of Flight Attendants-CWA
SEIU Healthcare PA
Sierra Club
NCLR (la Raza)
New York State Nurses Association (NYSNA)
Ontario Federation of Labour
National Network for Arab American Communities
Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR)
Council on American Islamic Relations - Connecticut (CAIR-CT)
Council on American Islamic Relations - San Francisco Bay Area

https://www.womensmarch.com/partners/

[Marlene]

I didn't attend a Catholic school,but in 7th grade my math anxiety was so bad that my mother found me a tutor who was a nun. She was very patient and kind. I didn't become a math whiz,but Sister gave me confidence.

[Buckeye]

Some kid drove a 360 Modena to high school? That's a little much...

The little prick was a real piece of work.

In senior year American Government class, the teacher was questioning the students about the proper response if arrested by the police for a crime.

His answer was "I'll just call my dad's lawyer, he'll get me off if he knows what's good for him".

Asshole.

[Beasts of England]

Never would have guessed that, Buckeye. ;)

[Marlene]

Janet,the gals in Maine who are attending the march will be wearing p*ssyhats and blaze orange. Ha. I can find stories in the Maine papers about the women attending the march. Mainers attending the inauguration?
*crickets*

[Poor babies.]

Unpopular? Yeah, those weren't crowds of people populating his rallies.

Some progs just can't understand why 'populist' need not be 'radical'.

[Beasts of England]

Speaking of a 360, Buckeye. :)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HYjPvd9IFt8

[Truthbetold5]

Jack

Tell me again how much you like hanging out at Comet Ping Pong

Part I: Undercover investigation exposes groups plotting criminal activity at Trump inauguration

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MHZSfhd1X_8&ebc=ANyPxKr1wBJrxlrn10OHhAowSbHbGeHSc4hi-w6C485xgyDSBJEfphZiwYAWp6ZrDuRss59FXI40KgriLtZiSDiKPzp-LmvM3A

[Janet the expert]

Yeah, Marlene.
What has the MFM covered more...those damn knit protest hats or Trump supporters & their Make America Great Again caps?

It is big celebration & amplification for the losers while kids were getting sent home from school for wearing the MAGA caps.

IT is all uber sickening.

[daddy on iPad at the Gym]

Haven't caught up yet, but on the drive to the gym caught Hannity Radio, Hour 1, and the guest was James O'Keefe with new audio and video of Dem plotters planning to Gas an Innauguration Ball and plotting to do the same with DC Public Transportation. Vivid sttuff to hear. Exactly as vivid and riveting as the videos of the efforts by Foval and Creamer to beat up people and cheat massively for the Dems in the General Election. Hope you guys have already heard of it or will shortly.

[Marlene]

Janet,are you planning to go into D.C. on Friday?

[Jim Eagle]

A Modena? Beats my college-mobile, a 1950 Hudson Hornet and this was in 1962. A beast that ate 2 Qts. of oil each 50 miles. We finally euthanized it by placing a brick on the accelerator putting it in neutral and sat back with a case of 14K Hudepohl to see how far she could thrown her crankcase.

35 feet.

[Jim Eagle]

daddy,

Its all been posted including the Beckel move. Get fit and catch up. You're way behind. Don't forget to stretch after the workout.

[Janet the expert]

Yes. I've got my Deplorables bag, a MAGA cap, & my pack of cigs! I'm good to go.

I don't have a ticket or anything so I'll be back in the riff-raff section.

[Marlene]

Janet! Please take pictures!

[Beasts of England]

Is that a record distance for a Hornet, JiB?

[Buckeye]

Speaking of a 360, Buckeye. :)

The passenger was kinda cute Beasts.

How many girlfriends since:)

If you have to count with both your fingers and toes, I'm impressed.

[Jim Eagle]

Not his first rodeo.

[Beasts of England]

That's the older Beastette, Buckeye. :)

[maryrose]

Janet:
So glad you are going!
You will be watching history in the making.

[Frau Steingehirn]

Maryrose FTW -

Get some Independent followers of Trump to run a campaign against these Dem jokers as well a Republican candidate
Throw these unpatriotic bums out of office by the ballot box
Rescind their invites to all events is State of the Union and any big state event or Congressional activity.
Look at their districts and send a landing team in to find waste fraud and abuse.
Get The IRS to audit them for the last 10 years to see how they are becoming rich.

Perfect!