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January 07, 2017

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Appalled

Cecil:

I wonder what the breaking point will be for folks here, should Trump not be good at this job. Or whether there will be a breaking point.

I am mostly holding my comments (and my breath) about this guy as President until he actually takes office. His appointments don't make me want to jump off a cliff, which is something. He's made twitter useful for something other than accidental porn and career ending mishaps, for which the California tech community ought to be greatful. And he's spent most of his time fighting with Democrats, rather than Republicans, which is actually a pleasent surprise. Where I fault him is his refusal to deal with the blind trust/ ethics issues. He can cure that between now and 1-20, and, given his nature, he might wait to the last minute just to annoy the media.

So, we'll see.

JimNorCal

"I wonder what the breaking point will be for folks here, should Trump not be good at this job. Or whether there will be a breaking point."

A point worth making, and let me take a moment to thank CT and Appalled for their measured and respectful criticisms.

Speaking for myself, I will be disappointed if DT turns out poorly. But I will temper that with my strong conviction that Hillary would have been too painful to contemplate. I also think that if DT fails, it won't be from having bad policies but from sabotage at the hands of the GOPe. Who was it that released the Pussy Grab story? I don't recall it was ever proved but there some evidence of a last gasp GOPe attempt to swing the election to the Dems out of disdain of Trump.

The Repubs, yet again, have been given the keys to the national car. Will they actually steer it in the direction we've been imploring them to go? Time will tell.

Buckeye

Appalled

If he doesn't do any of the things he promised to do, that will be a breaking point.

At this point, I will be happy to see him get inaugurated and take office without a whack-job offing him in the next 10 days.

Willy

Correct. They pander to him out of fear,mostly of the unknown.

He's bound to stumble and when he does put his own blood into the water..DOOM.

Jim Eagle

I'll bet even with the promised obstructionism of the Loyal (sic) Opposition Trump will get his appointments confirmed quicker than W. Remember, his FBI director (Robert Mueller) didn't get confirmed until 2 days before 9/11.

And as far was work ethic, perhaps CT and Appalled and others who were not on the Trump bandwagon can point out who in the field of 18 (counting McMullin) has more executive experience and is known for their long working hours? And I wouldn't gauge private sector executive expeience as non-qualifying for a government executive function. That is a canard that every politician uses but is rather a non-operative supposition since we haven't had a private sector-to-President elected before (and Hoover doesn't count).

Its great that everyone here (worth noting absent the trolls) is prepared to keep their powder dry for at least the first 100 days because that is how I will measure his performance. Results to promises.

JimNorCal

Shorter: I can't imagine there's a breaking point. I am *that* grateful to the Trump campaign and *that* convinced that other GOP candidates would have failed.

Personally, I am not a Christian but this verse has been in mind lately:
Psalm 146:3 "Put not your trust in princes"

Donald Trump is not infallible. But I think he'll be great and to be better than Hillary would have been is bar that can't be lowered...

Janet the expert

Caro...that there AREN'T any good choices says something about the bigger problem of a biased media. One side SO dominates the old media.

ON my FB page I often encourage people that are pro-choice to read pro-life sites at least SOMETIMES just to find out what is going on in the abortion industry. The MFM never critically cover the abortion industry.

Read Students for Life once a month or browse Live Action.

Perhaps some faith sites like Patheos.

Agree or disagree, many Christian sites are the only ones that dig deep into the foundational consequences for many lib ideas. Redefining marriage, the gender agenda, family breakdown, welfare, government as a god, ...

buccaneer morgan

It strikes that apt 28 is almost as ephemeral az Nigerien yellowcake, its certainly a Ukrainian shell, but that's about all we know, the route path be something worth investigating.

Account Deleted

"Psalm 146:3 "Put not your trust in princes"

"In God we trust." May this deeply held belief among Americans bear fruit. A specific kind of fruit: bumper crop of power to hold Mr. Trump and his team(s) accountable.

We can use Twitter too.

jimmyk

His appointments don't make me want to jump off a cliff, which is something.

It's a good idea always to keep in mind where we would be if Hillary had won the election. A low bar, to be sure, but it never fails to lift my spirits.

Willy

Well Jack I'm mostly ambivalent about his true motivation toward tipping windmills, but I'm giving him 180 days to huff and puff,blowing both Houses down.

But his early bevaviors seem to stack the deck with 'counting'.

DebinNC

Re Trump, my expectations are low, but I'm willing to be surprised. Hillary would have been much worse.

Re Corollas, the top 3 highest selling vehicles in America are Ford, Ram, and Chevrolet trucks. Number 4 is Toyota Corolla, several of which we've owned over the years. Currently drive a Honda CRV and a Mazda. When DT speaks, Toyota would be wise to listen imo.

lyle

So I understand there was yet another insipid, infantile Hollywood awards show last night? Where was it taped in Canada? Last I heard all these assholes were moving there after Nov. 8, '16.

Captain Hate

Tammy in the Lyin's den:

http://tammybruce.com/2017/01/video-tammy-bruce-slams-obama-for-funding-anti-netanyahu-meddling-in-israel.html

James D

I wonder what the breaking point will be for folks here, should Trump not be good at this job. Or whether there will be a breaking point.

We've had eight years of a President who openly despises half the country, who's done everything imaginable to weaken this country both at home and abroad, who's inflamed racial tensions to a point not seen in nearly half a century, who's appointed a rogue's gallery of bureaucrats that will require annexes to be built to house them all in the deeper circles of Hell when their judgement days come...

After that, I'm not really interested in thinking about what President Trump could hypothetically do to disillusion me or turn me against him. What is the point?

Isn't it enough, at least for a while, that Obama will be out of the White House, and the traitorous hag from Chappaqua will not be succeeding him? That the Democrats were beaten all across the country, that MSM has - finally! - lost some of its power?

And anyway, he's doing a hell of a job so far. He's made mostly great appointments, he's scored a whole bunch of victories with regard to bringing jobs here, and even if all they are is ultimately hollow PR victories that don't live up to their promises, when is the last time the GOP was able to consistently accomplish even hollow PR victories?

Account Deleted

What I know about Mr. Trump *for sure*,

based on my limited understanding of his demonstrated achievements in his life and work,

is he comprehends what legacy is and that legacy is something one builds, not just proclaims.

Legacy and signature have been reduced to trite labeling gimmicks for specific deeds, thus making their usage incoherent and largely irrelevant by such users given facts and repercussions on the ground.

My question for the impatient: would Mr. Trump preside over a complete abdication of his sworn duties as commander-in-chief over all US military and strategic assets as The Bath House Rat demonstrated at Benghazi?

The question illustrates the contrast between Mr. Trump and TBHR: the former knows his legacy *cannot* survive such a travesty, while the latter has sewn decals on his "bomber jacket" that sport his shibboleths and bromides which he *thinks* comprise his so-called legacy. (Such as "we got bin Laden.")

Janet the expert

Amen, James D!

Account Deleted

You get an AMEN from me too, JamesD. A big AMEN.

Willy

Kevlar:

"Things I know for a fact..."

Sorry, but that's funny.

DebinNC

Mega-dittos, James.

Willy

..he's scored a bunch of victories bringing jobs here.."

'On paper' as far as you know..

rse

"Mattis received a salary of $419,359 for his role as a distinguished visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University."

Who knew being a fellow at a nonprofit was quite so lucrative?

buccaneer morgan

Sohrab amari in the journal, raises some of my concerns about the Iranian girbachev

Jim Eagle

In regard to the Golden Globes and Streep and Fallon and all the false outrage: I wonder how many of those fakes know someone who owns a pickup truck?

Eric in Boise

I wonder how many of those fakes know someone who owns a pickup truck?

They all do. The guy who mows the lawn.

lyle

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/01/06/what-vladimir-putin-and-hillary-clinton-have-in-common/

The unclassified version of the Intelligence Community assessment has been published, and as widely predicted, it contains no bombshells. Part of that has to do with the IC protecting its sources, and part of that has to do with the fact that one could have reached most of the conclusions merely by closely following the news and being aware of recent history.

One quick observation: If Putin thought helping Trump win the election would give him the weakest possible opponent, he would not be alone in his assessment: Hillary Clinton thought the exact same thing. Team Clinton tried to help Trump win the GOP nomination race because they thought he would be the weakest possible opponent in the general.

There are lots of people in the United States that underestimated Donald Trump who now have Trump’s footprints all over their faces. Just maybe, the trend will continue. . .

And another amen to James D!

DebinNC

Their gardeners, their pool cleaners, their sonar panel installers, etc.

Captain Hate

Tammy to Streep: Trump was elected, in part, because people are tired of being lectured by people who hold them in contempt.

windansea

I wonder what Appalled's breaking point was with Obama?

If there ever was one...

Cecil Turner

Strikes me his use of the bully pulpit is effective so far.

It is, but it's mostly symbolic. A few thousand jobs doesn't mean diddly in the big picture. I'm more concerned that, even since the election, he seems prone to fight with peons. It's a losing strategy: you don't pin pawns with your queen. (And by comparison to the Prez, someone like Streep is at best a pawn.)

I'll bet even with the promised obstructionism of the Loyal (sic) Opposition Trump will get his appointments confirmed quicker than W.

And he can thank Harry Reid's use of the nuke option for that. (Of course, he can also thank him for the Dem-packed DC Circuit.)

And as far was work ethic, perhaps CT and Appalled and others who were not on the Trump bandwagon can point out who in the field of 18 (counting McMullin) has more executive experience and is known for their long working hours?

Long working hours is another measure of merit that doesn't impress. I want him to use his hours intelligently and get things accomplished. Because if he wants those companies (and others) to continue to invest in the US and sustained job growth, a streamlined tax code and rational budget is going to do a lot more than any number of coffee klatches with CEOs.

Willy

Lol lyle. I sincerely hope your face is not going to be waffled by Trump's sneakers.

Jim Eagle

But do they know them? Sure you can pay them, you can tell them what to clean and cut but do you know them?

The answer is NO!

And you all know what I mean about Know!

windansea

It's a losing strategy: you don't pin pawns with your queen.

This from the guy who told us Trump was unelectable.

Thomas Collins

Appalled, I don't think it's a matter of breaking point. Breaking point would be a term more apt for what I would describe as true believers. I don't think those who have strongly supported Trump here starting in 2015 are anything like true believers. I think they are realistic about what a POTUS can accomplish and also realistic about human fallibility in general. I think disillusionment would be the same as with any GOP POTUS (for example, appointing federal court judges reasonably expected to reflect their own policy preferences in judicial opinions).

DebinNC

2016's highest grossing movies seem to be animated ones where the audience doesn't see the actor and get turned off immediately or fantasy films where actors' identities are obscured with costumes and makeup.

Momto2

I wonder how many of those fakes know someone who owns a pickup truck?

They all do. The guy who mows the lawn.

He said "KNOWS" someone. Do you think Merle Streep could tell us name of the person who mows her lawn? She has "people" who handle all of that.

Both my father and my son own (or as my dad is deceased owned) a pick-up truck. I borrow it frequently! :)

buccaneer morgan

Robert reich doing his best Marvin the Martian impression.

Willy

Yeah. You don't spill your candy in the lobby before the picture starts,and anyone who claims special superpowers of prediction on Trump is a frigging liar.

lyle

It occurs to me that "Willy" comes around here in the same manner as a dog returns to his vomit.

buccaneer morgan

Apt 28 whoever they are, didn't breach the rnc's
Systems

Cecil Turner

This from the guy who told us Trump was unelectable.

Ad hominem, and getting tiresome.

lyle

http://theconversation.com/how-to-get-ready-for-the-economic-recession-coming-in-2017-70638

Not a bad analysis as far as it goes but his complete omission of FOMC raising Fed funds is a bit sloppy, IMO. Then there's this:

The dates of when recessions in the U.S. begin and end are declared by a nonpartisan organization called the National Bureau of Economic Research, or NBER. Within the NBER, a small committee, currently comprising nine professors, officially decides when a recession has occurred usually months after the fact.

The group does not use two quarters of falling GDP as their guide, a common rule of thumb journalists and others employ to describe recessions. That’s in part because GDP figures are often revised by the U.S. government. Deciding when a country is or is not in a recession based on numbers that are constantly moving is not sensible.

Instead the committee uses many factors beyond GDP such as employment, income, industrial production and retail sales.

As a general rule, if someone has to insert that qualifier into his description, you can pretty mush assume it's anything but.

Does anyone think there's any nook or cranny of the Leviathan that IS NOT politicized after 8 years of BOzo's reign? I don't.

windansea

Ad hominem, and getting tiresome.

Not at all, you did in fact give the impression you thought Trump was unelectable and obviously were proved wrong. Now you tell us Trump shouldn't call out movie stars that attack him on nationally watched programs. Trump won by being Trump. He's probably going to keep being Trump.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Cecil,

I have a question. How do you know Trump isn't working intelligently?

buccaneer morgan

The÷ last. Time, they pegged at December 2007, before bear sterns and Lehman imploded.

Another Bob

In which we find that Hispanic media elites are every bit as lacking in actual awareness of what's important to their audiences as the Anglo ones.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/why-president-trump-is-a-nightmare-for-univision

lyle

This from the guy who told us Trump was unelectable.

How can this possibly described as "ad hominem"? He didn't attack you nor call you nasty names.

James D

Within the NBER, a small committee, currently comprising nine professors, officially decides when a recession has occurred usually months after the fact.

What possible value - other than propaganda for the Democrat Party - does this serve?

Old Lurker

Lyle, I would challenge anyone to find a group of "nine professors" that is not well left of center.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-autos-idUSKBN14T1LJ

Trump praises Ford, Fiat-Chrysler for investing in US.

Both companies have said they made the decision for business reasons and not because of pressure from Trump, but praised the president-elect for seeking to improve the climate for businesses to operate in the United States."

That improved business climate will be reduced regulations and lowering taxes. Both of which he cannot do until he's actually in office, so any criticism of those things not being done is unfounded.

Apparently these 2 CEOs have enough faith in his leadership that they believe he will get it done.

Old Lurker

As to my personal breaking point with DJT...I have promised myself that at each and every time in the future where I am less than pleased, or even angry, with something he has done, I will ask myself, first, where would we be at this point in time had Hillary been elected instead, then second, where would we be at this point in time had ANY of the other 17 Reps been elected instead?

If I can remember to do that, all will be just fine.

Captain Hate

Robert reich doing his best Marvin the Martian impression.

R2D2

lyle

Let's just stipulate that not one of them teaches at Hillsdale, OL. ;)

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Threadkiller,

Of COURSE Megyn Kelly was at the Golden Globes! Hahaha!


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4102956/White-Hot-Megyn-Kelly-lets-hair-gets-cleavage-flashes-leg-partying-revealing-dress-850-Louboutins-Golden-Globes-bash-Hollywood.html#ixzz4VICELIJe

That's Lord Stern to you serfs.

Heh, Trump's signals about his climate and energy policy has already sent the Huffpo into questioning the Stern Report. Had he done nothing else, that would have been good enough for me.

lurkersusie

Richard Grenell
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Harry Reid politics comes to Ohio https://twitter.com/jacktorry1/status/818518363349614592

Clarice Feldman

I'm wit ya, OL.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Off to the grocery I go.

No doubt another 5,000 jobs will be created while I am gone. LOL!

Old Lurker

Now THIS is just wonderful:

https://spectator.org/open-letter-to-chris-wallace-at-fox-news/

Send your tardy dues in care of Hit and Run.

Sorry, A Bob, that you never received the email, but you were elected to the 'cool kids' ages ago.

Willy

Yes. Cecil seems overly concerned with the dignity of office. On a scale of one to ten, where would Trump fall on dignity concerns?

Old Lurker

So stipulated, Lyle.

I got over it after Jeb and Dubya passionately defended the adventure.  Oh, was that Cheney?

More heh, my personal breaking point with DJT came about last April when he supported the meme that we'd been finagled into Iraq by the Bush Administration under false WMD pretences.

Bah, Saddam had the will and the way. Like the Iranians do now.

Old Lurker

After eight years of Clinton and eight years of Obama, NOW we insist on dignity?

Really?

DebinNC

Golden Globe nominees, except for Will Smith who didn't win, look decidedly pale. And this after the brouhaha last year re the too white Oscars?

Willy

So he hasn't dignity, or concerns, eh?

Oh well..

Cecil Turner

Trump won by being Trump. He's probably going to keep being Trump.

And I'll continue to carp about the parts I don't like. It's all good.

How do you know Trump isn't working intelligently?

I don't. I'd like to see more evidence of it, however. And if he's going to use tweets to get his message out, I'd like to see something substantial in there. (And fewer things like Streep and the Russians but maybe that serves a purpose as several here seem to think.)

How can this possibly described as "ad hominem"? He didn't attack you nor call you nasty names.

Actually, neither is even a part of a classic ad hominem: don't believe this guy because ___ [something irrelevant]. But apparently windansea had a relevant argument, so I'd have to allow as it wasn't.

Cecil Turner

Yeah, dignity still isn't the issue.

lyle

Heh, Trump's signals about his climate and energy policy has already sent the Huffpo into questioning the Stern Report. Had he done nothing else, that would have been good enough for me.

For me as well. It's a start for sure, but...I still want skulls! :)

Old Lurker

Cecil "And I'll continue to carp about the parts I don't like."

And I will read what you say about it each and every time.

lyle

Huh. What the hell do I know?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.[2]

Stephanie despicable me

Me Again ain't got no boobies...

DebinNC

In the not nearly enough money after last week's FB streamed hate crime department, Univ. of Chicago is offering student guides $500 for creative ways to snooker visiting parents/potential students into believing Chicago isn't dangerous.

Willy

Lyle has the spirit of the revolution.

REVENGE almost always derails but satisfies the lizard brain with skulls.

lyle

Leave me alone, knob.

Willy

Are you hearing voices lyle?

Cecil Turner

And I will read what you say about it each and every time.

Nicest thing anyone has said to me in ages. I think I'm more driven to vent than any desire to persuade; and I'll freely admit to devil's advocacy, so you needn't be nice, but thanks.

Captain Hate

I guess the Soros mailing list has sent out the bogus number of 30 million to be used as the number of people insured under ZippyCare. Last night the troll tossed it out, which struck me as a 50% increase over the previously used numbers; and now the Restraining Order, another lying tool, has employed the same UNEXPECTED number.

Why not use a billion? Nobody believes it anyway.

Buckeye

Me Again ain't got no boobies...

Not to mention she looks a little "rough" in those pictures....road hard, put away wet.

lyle

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/kim-jong-un-isnt-the-first-tyrant-to-play-trump-and-he-wont-be-the-last/2017/01/08/f70272ee-d370-11e6-945a-76f69a399dd5_story.html?utm_term=.aa57f52799b8

The undisputed master of Trump-whispering, of course, is Vladi­mir Putin. Whether the former KGB operative has some kind of personal or financial hold on the incoming president is unknown to the American public. But Putin’s public ma­nipu­la­tion of Trump has offered a master class for the likes of May and Netanyahu. Take his cynical chiding of the Democrats for failing “to lose gracefully,” after Russian intelligence services tried to tip the election by hacking the Democratic National Committee; or his faux-gracious decision not to respond to the U.S. sanctions imposed afterward. In both cases, he elicited exactly the responses he wanted from Trump, who called his critique “so true” and his non-retaliation “very smart.”

What are foreign governments learning from all this? Unfortunately, the main lesson may be that this U.S. president can easily be played. He can be steered into adopting a U.S. adversary’s ideas as his own; he can be appeased by public flattery. Perhaps most disturbing, he can be goaded into statements and, perhaps, actions that play into the hands of enemies or undermine U.S. interests. If Kim Jong Un does, in fact, manage to stage an ICBM test in the coming weeks, expect him to remind the world of Trump’s “it won’t happen” boast — the first of what may be many Twitter traps to be sprung on the 45th president.

And so it begins, right on cue. Credentialed ninny who's never had to make a tough decision in his life sniping from the cheap seats.

Old Lurker

Not being nice at all, Cecil. Your devil's advocacy almost always states the view from that vantage point clearly and objectively and never offensively and while I reserve my right to whistle past the graveyards, I appreciate it when you reveal that that right there IS a graveyard that I might not have seen.

lyle

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/01/09/obama-i-cant-help-feeling-that-im-partly-responsible-for-my-party-being-destroyed/

Well, he really doesn't take too much responsibility...

Old Lurker

Not just "rough", Buckeye, but, shall we say, much less of a pinup gal than I might have imagined? Just as many actors are much better seen on radio, some should have kept their hair long and remained seated behind the desk if you ask me.

windansea

And I'll continue to carp about the parts I don't like. It's all good.

Yes carping is permitted, and we all respect your opinions. Taking potshots at opinions posted here also permitted. Most of us here want the same things. Sorry if that one stung a little.

I also think some of the things Trump does are stupid, but then I remind myself that he just pulled off the biggest upset in history and won over the voters while up against the Dem machine, the MSM, and part of his own party. He did it by sticking to his guns, focusing on the actual voters, and working his ass off. So I'm cutting the guy some slack.

Clarice Feldman

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-establishment-cultural-significance-explained-540213
An interesting take on the culture war and Trump's role in it.

lyle

There you go with the ad hominem again, windansea... ;)

Old Lurker

Windansea, and he's going to continue to do stupid things and otherwise tick us off...but just apply my 2:17 rule when that happens.

Cocktails at 6pm regardless.

Account Deleted

Taking issue with this statement and not an individual's point of view. Clear?

"It is, but it's mostly symbolic. A few thousand jobs doesn't mean diddly in the big picture.

One more caveat: I am not a fanboy of any American president, ever. They are fallible and vulnerable creatures. However, I do believe that this current PEOTUS is a shrewd businessman who understands how *SHIT* works as opposed to not knowing *SHIT* about *SHIT*. Clear?

Okay then...

Jobs are like money. A dollar spent in a local community sets off a chain reaction among businesses in the locale to generate $1M plus in combined revenues. (I return to this point below.)

One dollar after another dollar adds up to the total American economy. One job after another job adds up to the annual gross domestic employment figures.

Sure, Carrier *only* saved around 1000 jobs. But what does an industrial plant in continuous sustsained operation over ten years generate in revenues for allied businesses without which that plant stops running?

How many remain employed because that plant keeps running *here*?

And how many competing small businesses hire people to get into that flow line?

Think less "trickle down" and more "ripple effect." Mr. Trump is tossing pebbles into a very large pond to make long lasting ripples.

Spectators want to see "splashes." I'm into the wisdom of ripple effect strategic action.

Again, Mr. Trump is adding to his legacy by building, not just by simple declaration and proclamation as The Bath House Rat did by destroying Republican-owned GM dealerships when he sacked the auto-industry in order to "save it."

United Technologies owns Carrier--- but Carrier doesn't own every *job* (and the overhead needed to keep it running over the longer term). 1000 jobs create *demand* for other "hands" in the chain to manage the employment and benefits shareholders do not want to be on the hook for. Ripple effect.

The other point to be understood more fully is that Mr. Trump is stimulating American and foreign-based brands into investing BILLION$ in hard asset formation (construction!).

Sure, the auto plant will "only" create a few thousand jobs. But how many jobs does the overall investment create inside, outside, and around that new factory? (People hired, businesses started, etc. etc.)

Finally, Mr. Trump is demonstrating his acumen and expertise to American business people across the board.

For example, those small scale and mid-scale construction and service contractors that will be bidding on part of that new autoplant and on its ongoing operational needs---they *KNOW* what Mr. Trump is doing by stimulating investment.

When we "get the monthly jobs numbers" we get summary stats on where job growth was and some vague theories about why.

For anyone who has been a student of our economy, say as a financial analyst/trader might be in order to find opportunities and to exploit trends, vague theories are of little value.

The American spectator raises their score card if a certain number of "good jobs" is created. But the typical American spectator knows diddly about "how things work" in *markets* and *industries*.

In contrast, when one traces specific investments being made in a niche or an industry vertical then one will come into a verifiable understanding what the job growth will likely be as those investments take hold.

Not all corporate investments are identical by objective---- but when a large industrial organization says it's investing $10 billion in a new factory, the preliminary estimate of "inside the factory jobs" is a far cry from the total employment impact.

These aren't "ghost factories" with no real production capability. And has anyone mentioned lately that having the automakers invest in new plants is a shrewd strategy for a Commander in Chief who has pledged to rebuild our military?

Production capacity goes hand in hand with that rebuild....how many jobs will that create when the time comes to press forward in making chassis and suspensions for heavy vehicles. Yes, Toyota and Ford are automakers--- but they are leaders of the kind of "heavy industry" needed to rebuild the conventional aspects of our military forces.

Period.

There is no such thing as a symbolic saving or creation of full-time industrial and industrial services employment opportunities.

Creating jobs results in creation of hard-cash money in peoples pockets no matter how part-time or how undesireable in status.

Returning to a point made previously to cap this bombastic tirade on job creation and investment: for every dollar spent in a local economy, as it circulates through that local economy over one year, it generates over $1M in combined revenues for those in the flow.

(This is why the outflow of Yankee Dollars out of the USA to Mexico is such a cumulative disaster for our economy.)

Sorry in advance if my customary lack of pithiness has led anybody to taking an early nap. ;)

Clarice Feldman

I aways value cecil;s opinions even when I disagree with them.

lyle

Consider this a companion piece to Clarice's 2:53:

http://heatst.com/tech/prepare-yourself-for-the-trump-administration-with-an-anti-oppression-cleanse/

:)

Cecil Turner

Sorry if that one stung a little.

No worries. It's the repetition I didn't care for. And I think the last one--applied to the Russki threat--was fallacious.

DebinNC

Orlando Police Chief: "We're going to bring this dirt bag to justice, and he's going to jail" ... I hope Trump and a new Justice Department will lift the federal shoe off the neck of local police and allow them to protect the lay-abiding.

Clarice Feldman

http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/08/senate-dems-opposing-trumps-ed-sec-nom-attended-private-schools/

Captain Hate

That 2:53 link was a lot more insightful than I expected.

Clarice Feldman

Me, too.. Later==running out to class then dinner here with the Man Trans..

Account Deleted

"Me Again ain't got no boobies..."

That has me howling. Been waiting for somebody to say it "out loud."

Methinks MeAgain has this on her publicity agenda under the category "Affordable Beauty Upgrade."

Get the cabanos re-done and be in the news cycle for all of 2017 (will she or won't she get em inflated?) and most of 2018 (whaddya think, Big Boy?).

Her mom is proud of her though, right?

lyle

Okay, I agree that Newsweek link was pretty good except for this:

In a recent editor's note, Vanity Fair’s Graydon Carter, a man always sniffing the ground for the next zeitgeist turn of the worm, began a predictable tirade against the gaucheries of Trump, only to pause to acknowledge that several decades of political correctness was bound to breed resentments in the people being “corrected.” This was notable because Vanity Fair is carefully edited to avoid any incursions on upper-middlebrow taste and attitudes, and because Carter, ever attentive to cultural shifts, was, despite his longtime hostility to Trump, obviously seeing the writing on the wall.

Please. This is nothing more than the Wolf signalling he's still one of bien pensant.

James D

Great interview with Kellyanne Conway...

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/kellyanne-conway-unplugged/article/2611013#!

One very interesting comment in it:

Conway says she reduced the hassle and background noise for Trump, hoping to create an atmosphere in which he could flourish. "And I tried to take account of his gifts."

It was clear from the beginning of the primaries that one thing Trump was doing was campaigning in a way that took maximum advantage of his strengths, and hid or minimized his weaknesses.

Just about every other campaign was run by consultants who refused to deviate from the old, well-worn campaign playbook, and tried to force their square-peg candidates into round holes.

Nobody else could have run the campaign Trump did...but most of the other candidates had unique strengths and stories that could have been the basis of their own unique winning campaigns, if not for the overpaid twits who were unwilling or incapable of figuring out how to take advantage of them.

lyle

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/09/davos-wakes-up-to-the-trump-new-world-order.html

Mother of all sinkholes is all I ask.

Old Lurker

...sinkhole?

WAY too kind.

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