Trump's Immigration Action

Is Trump's executive order on immigration even legal? Patterico is skeptical. IMHO, if we are going to implement extreme vetting of potential immigrants we might want to start with a modest vetting of the new rules beforehand. From the Times, which headlines the apparent flip-flop on green-card holders:

White House aides said on Saturday that there had been consultations with State Department and homeland security officials about carrying out the order. “Everyone who needed to know was informed,” one aide said.

But that assertion was denied by multiple officials with knowledge of the interactions, including two officials at the State Department. Leaders of Customs and Border Protection and of Citizenship and Immigration Services — the two agencies most directly affected by the order — were on a telephone briefing on the new policy even as Mr. Trump signed it on Friday, two officials said.

And is the new policy smart? Dan McLaughlin is dubious:

Trump’s order is, in characteristic Trump fashion, both ham-handed and underinclusive, and particularly unfair to allies who risked life and limb to help the American war efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan. But it is also not the dangerous and radical departure from U.S. policy that his liberal critics make it out to be. His policy may be terrible public relations for the United States, but it is fairly narrow and well within the recent tradition of immigration actions taken by the Obama administration.

 

He includes a good link on the question of Christian persecution in the Middle East and Obama's non-response.

 

AND FWIW, Obama has left Iraqis out to dry a couple of times (2011, 2015) in the past, to little hue and cry.

 

OUTRAGE OVERLOAD: How does one forget the Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day? By being inclusive?!? WTF.

Comments

[Thomas Collins]

The Executive Order is not a Mount Sinai type pronouncement. It will be adjusted. It's a start. There are clearly implementation issues. Trump, however, is to be commended for taking on an issue neither party has been willing to address, namely, the national security and public safety dangers of an immigration policy the center of gravity of which is borderless world.

[Captain Hate]

Patterico has lost his mind over DJT.

[Threadkiller]

Patterico gets his ass whooped by a person named shipwreckedcrew here:

http://patterico.com/2017/01/28/is-trumps-executive-order-on-refugees-illegal-signs-point-to-yes/

Here:

http://patterico.com/jury/?p=2472

And here:

http://patterico.com/2017/01/28/judge-issues-nationwide-injunction-on-portions-of-trumps-immigration-order/

I can't remember how many Ballard sads are in the comments. I try to scroll by his pouts.

[Captain Hate]

Red State should be embarrassed to publish anything that starts "I am not an immigration lawyer and do not claim any expertise in this area, but I’m capable of reading a statute and a legal argument, and I thought a post that analyzed the arguments of Bier and McCarthy might be useful to people interested in the topic."

He then starts many sections, after quoting legal text, "This seems to say..." Just [redacted] brilliant, Red State: Bring in Patterico Costanza to just wing it in an area in which he has no expertise.

[buccaneer morgan]

He took the equivalent of an amicus brief from a fmr house GOP staffer who is a huffington poster and went to town.

[Beasts of England]

shipwreckedcrew has been destroying Patterico on several different issues. To my delight. :)

[henry]

The histrionics will continue until Trump's next EO (on any subject), then Soros will buy new signs for his rentamobs.

[buccaneer morgan]

If you doubt me, look at David bier's puffungton page, there is no effective regime that would pass muster.

[Momto2]

Here is an oldie but goodie video about immigration and their evaluation of Trump's efforts so far. (Video is the gumball example in case you've already seen it) The link below is the same guy but his latest on Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

https://www.numbersusa.com/blog/trumps-orders-thus-far-have-addressed-6-our-top-10-list-enforcement-goals

[lyle]

I S'dOB when I got to "Patterico is skeptical." A couple of Bloody Marys with my frittata for brunch shortens my attention span. Well, that and my patience with TDS is running out and he's only been in office, what, eight days? Maybe I'll be better after my nap.

[lyle]

Mirengoff @ Powerline is as bad as Patterico. But maybe that's unfair, I stopped dropping by the latter's place months ago.

[buccaneer morgan]

Jubal harshaw, that academic linguists likes zinging many of the overreactions, about many of these fakenews hot takes.

[henry]

Meanwhile, the reddit guys have a post up that the Senate Gov Oversight Committee demanded FBI turnover contents of the backup server of Hillary's email (specifically in electronic form). Barn door, horse, why bother with required assembly.

[Jack is Back!]

How come when narciso comments on other blogs he is more lucid and writes in complete sentances?

[buccaneer morgan]

Take David weigel's measured response to last nights events (btw Nutella is toxic)

[Clarice Feldman]

LAwNewz and Legal Insurrection say the law clearly permits this action as does McCarthy at National Review.

I place my trust in their analyses over the NYT. or Patterico.

[Man Tran]

Greetings from the American Bar at rse's Stafford. No drinkies for me. Have to go to work in about three hours. The gizmo made it in one piece, but it was obvious that security pulled it out of its case and played with it. Speaking of security, they wanted to look through my rucksack when the driver bit kit set off the X-ray screen like a box of 9mm ammo. :)

[buccaneer morgan]

I made the point that bannon's role is not unlike that of CD Jackson in the Eisenhower era

[Clarice Feldman]

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/01/stunning_media_malpractice_on_trump_suspension_of_entry_.html

[the generallyistic deplorable rich]

sunni muslims from sunni majority countries are victims of religious persecution ... seems reasonable, lets invite them all in.

a somalia by way of pakistan with a beer belly and a receding hairline ... looks 12, seems reasonable to give that dude a child visa ... just a dreamer.

[Captain Hate]

How come when narciso comments on other blogs he is more lucid and writes in complete sentences?

Better software.

[Clarice Feldman]

https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2017/01/28/president-trumps-immigration-ban-is-magnificently-right/

[Frau Fragezeichen]

Hi, Man Tran, have fun down below.

JiB, I figure narciso saves his good stuff for JOM.

[the generallyistic deplorable rich]

non-American muslims vetting other non-American muslims in active war zones to get them papers to come to the US ... perfectly reasonable policy. why other countries don't do the same is the mystery.

[the generallyistic deplorable rich]

Man Tran-

safe travels.

[Clarice Feldman]

About that vetting-http://100percentfedup.com/i-want-to-blow-myself-upi-am-against-america-20-vetted-refugees-who-were-charged-with-terrorism-after-entering-u-s/

[rse]

MT-is there still memorabilia on the walls from WW2?

When I was there in the 90s they still regularly had dropins from people who had known it as the american officers club.

Hopefully Spencer House is open while you are there. IIRC it is between the stafford and dukes hotel and was restored at great expense.

Have fun. Remember jermyn street is close if you get that bespoke craving.

[Clarice Feldman]

I forget, was TM's original misguided post about the Duke Lacrosse team also from the NYT?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

I remain amazed at the idea that this EO wasn't "vetted", that it's unconstitutional, and the rest of the claptrap criticism from the press and supposed experts. Trump has had constitutional experts working on these EO's since right after the election. I saw the attorneys in the group entering the Trump Tower almost daily.

Why should I pay attention to Patterico? He's gone full DJT-derangement crazy.

William Jacobson of Legal Insurrection has an excellent discussion about how the media and the democrats are lying about the entire thing.

Here is the link:

http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/01/most-claims-about-trumps-visa-executive-order-are-false-or-misleading/

This is a temporary ban. (90 days).

The president is well within his rights to do it.

The ban applies to all residents of the countries which were named in the LAW that OBAMA signed last year. The countries, again, were chosen by OBAMA's Department of Homeland Security.

The spectacle of people like Chuck Schumer CRYING over this is flat-out ridiculous. Anyone who thinks this isn't a long-overdue way to screen people is simply a victim of the news media.

I am disgusted with people like McCain who are using this as some sort of publicity for their efforts to prop up the interests which fund him.

What we see here is that the Left will use ANY opportunity, including trashing a law that their own former president signed himself, in order to create negative headlines for Trump.

And I don't want to hear the Chuck Todd-approved "we should have given people a week's warning." That gives terrorists a week to get into the country and escape the crackdown.

Pffft.

MY hope is that the coordination of these demonstrations at major airports gives DHS a reason to investigate who is doing it and arrest said instigators with charges of some sort. Michael Moore was on Twitter last night urging his followers to go to airports. Seems like a lot of bad apples have exposed themselves with this. I hope Soros is one who is caught in the net.

[windansea]

saw this at Reddit, check the chart at link

Chris Menahan ‏@infolibnews 7h
7 hours ago

More
.@CNN said the "#MuslimBan" is preventing "scientists" and "computer programmers" from entering America.

https://twitter.com/infolibnews

[the generallyistic deplorable rich]

Patterico ... that settles it. What in the hell is Trump doing? Geeze.

I wanted to link Prodigy's "Invades Must Die" as some mood music but it doesn't have the right atmospherics. And no one else here would like it anyway.

[Jack is Back!]

MT,

Network rail or the TfL?

BTW, you're next door to my club when I lived in London. The St. James which has a big reciprocity program with other clubs around the world. Mine was The City Club in San Francisco.

[Clarice Feldman]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/01/29/jaw-dropping-mexican-official-threatens-to-unleash-cartels-flood-u-s-with-drugs-and-narcotics/

[Porchlight]

Here's windansea's chart:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3V4_2OVMAAZxqj.jpg

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/01/29/priebus_we_wont_apologize_for_keeping_america_safe.html

[Porchlight]

Clarice @3:56, a more perfect way to increase Americans' support for the wall would be hard to imagine.

[buccaneer morgan]

Of course, that goes along with Brandon derby's piece about where the cartels pelf went, three guesses.

[Porchlight]

OT,

Just found out Redskins kicker Dustin Hopkins lives a couple of blocks from me and is going to be building a new house. Unexpected. I guess he was born in Austin and grew up in Houston.

[the generallyistic deplorable rich]

Posted by: Clarice Feldman | January 29, 2017 at 03:56 PM

and how would that would be different from their current policies?

[buccaneer morgan]

And that is why he's the fmr foreign minister.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

buccaneeer,

He's a close ally of former President Vicente Fox, who also has been shooting his mouth off on TV.

Fox understands US mentality (and probably Trump as well) since he was an officer in Coca-Cola International for several years.

If I understand how you have to give respect to the Mexican government (as Trump has done) then tell me why these former government officials are suddenly being big loud mouths and making threats on TV.

Maybe this is kabuki theater staged to get us to go after the cartels while they have plausible deniability.

That's only a theory. I don't really know, but their actions seem downright odd.

[GUS]

John McLame has run his cake hole too.

[the generallyistic deplorable rich]

the media put a camera in front of Juan McFriendish to get a quote ... critical of some policy ...

The Deuce you say.

[buccaneer morgan]

Yes I'm aware, he was a leftwing academic who went partway to the center.

You know how hasn't been yapping like a Chihuahua, pens nieto's predecessor cakderon.
Why might that be because his wife is running for the 'top men' party nomination down there.

[windansea]

The White Mexicans that have always run the country are in a panic, remittances from here to there are their largest cash source (official) and cartel drug money dwarfs that.

Nafta has also enabled them with an ever growing trade deficit.

Trump threatens all three so of course they are in a panic.

[the generallyistic deplorable rich]

Posted by: windansea | January 29, 2017 at 04:17 PM

they would finally have to start reforming mexico to make it a half way decent place to live.

YIKES!!!

much easier to let the cartels run things and let the devil sort it out.

[buccaneer morgan]

A correction, its fox's wife who is la retina roja.

[Clarice Feldman]

Phyllis Chesler
12 mins ·
The NYT today has eight op-ed pieces and a long, main editorial opposing Trump. There are, perhaps, only 12-14 articles in the Review all told--and one of the articles today is written by a transgender person....this is a non-stop assault. I've never seen anything like this before. Obama restricted immigration from Syria for six months and the mass media barely covered it.

[Jack is Back!]

MM,

Fox is one of the 61 families that own and run Mexico. They use the US to get rid of the people they can't educate or find work for. Keeps them off the Mexican dole and brings back remittances. Trump wants to blow that operation up.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

windandsea,

Understandably they are in a panic, but they really need to work on their negotiating skills.

[Captain Hate]

So the McRINO rehabilitation tour began on Deface the Nation as Juan started acting all Mavericky again? Got any dossiers to peddle, decrepit fool?

[Beasts of England]

I remember one time at Patterico when someone asked narciso to reply in standard English, and he did. Messed me up good reading it. :)

[Jack is Back!]

windansea,

GMTA. Shoulld have refreshed.

[windansea]

I've never seen anything like this before

Remember long ago, just after the election, when they promised to be better?

I knew that was carp the second I read it.

[buccaneer morgan]

Recent Mexican history plays like an Oliver stone film on acid. In 1990 the candidate of integrity was assassinated by the cartel, so did the archbishop of Mexico city, the runner up becomes president, this is a prelude to NAFTA, Mexico devalues prompting a shock akin to 1923 Germany a home grown insurgency arises.

[the generallyistic deplorable rich]

just warming up for the second act.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Jack,

Yep. Make Mexico Great Again!

The horror, the horror!

Well, I voted for someone to go after things with a wrecking ball, so I am ok with Mexico getting in on the action.

Had a guy who came up here on a legal visa working for my son. Nice guy, hard worker. Used to work on my garden on his days off for extra money, because his son needed heart surgery and he had to pay in advance. Sadly, the boy died.

I always felt bad for the people up here working, as they really missed their families.

I don't know the answer, but something has to be done about all of this (especially the cartels) or BOTH countries are going to be in bad shape.

[windansea]

Hey Beasts

I am going to The Masters in April (just practice days) and maybe could pop over to see you after, can you have Clarice or Stephanie send me your email?

[Clarice Feldman]

Even the sports pages at the WaPo are infected with TDS. It is utterly unreadable.
I use Bezis Amazon a lot though because it's convenient and also because I heard they lose money on every transaction.

[GUS]

Friends, please NEVER forget what Obama did when he traded 5 TOP TALIBAN/MUZZ TERRORISTS for BERGDAHL. The LEVEL of MALFEASANCE and TREASON has never been Equaled. Benedict Arnold was more Patriotic.
So we see the OBAMA/SOROS rent a mobs.
Many of the RENT-A-TARDS are chanting slogans and wearing PINK PUSSY HATS.
This is how the LEFT is going to act for 8 years. Wait.....wait....wait... . has Paul Ryan told us "that's not who we are" yet?
This EO is temporary and necessary.
The DRAMA is ridiculous and the propaganda is epic.
Do not waiver President Trump.

Remember WHO OBAMA IS/WAS.

[Jack is Back!]

Clarice,

Amazon is the company of the future and always will be.

The same sentiment was voiced about the Country it flows through.

[Captain Hate]

Even the sports pages at the WaPo are infected with TDS. It is utterly unreadable.

Sports writers talking politics are the absolute worst. Think Bathtub Boy and Lupica.

[GUS]

Beasts, Patterico must be RACIST to ask Narciso to post as a GRINGO!
Patterico, Hoft, and Ass of Spades are CLICK CLOWNS.
I thought Patterico has a sweet new GIG???

This is agitprop going on, and it's funded.
The GOPe fools are giddy with anticipation for a new COCKTAIL circuit.
Has Bill Kristol weighed in yet??
Did any of these "protestors" get upset about $1.7 billion in CASH being given to Iran?? $221 being handed off on Inauguration day to Palies???

[Frau Fragezeichen]

Clarice, we know that the Gray Slut determines which useful idiots will be asked to write her Op Ed pieces.

[Beasts of England]

Large-scale lefty outrage requires personnel, passion, and purse. Soros, Brock, Steyer, et al., can use their money to rent bodies, but because it's not organic, it's hard to sustain. Trump's flood-the-zone approach will lead to Peak Outrage very soon. Reacting to each incident by dialing it up to '11' wastes their limited emotional stability. Trump understands this, as do Bannon and Conway.

Moar popcorn, please!

[Beasts of England]

Are you taking me with you, windansea? lol

I'll shoot Steph a note to pass it along...

[Man Tran]

JiB,

I think it will all be older LUL track. My old gizmo would only work on uniform segments of track, but the new one can measure specialty segments like switch points. I'll know a lot more in a couple hours.

[Beasts of England]

I think it was a commenter that particular time, GUS, but the man himself got a little testy re: same just the other day...

Have you seen his new 'safe space' site? :)

[Frau Fragezeichen]

"Remember long ago, just after the election, when they promised to be better?"

windansea - you misunderstood. The media *is* getting better, but they are not improving. They are sliming the new administration as fast as they can.

Now, do we play GWB and let them continue unchallenged or do we "Trump" on them?

[windansea]

Are you taking me with you, windansea? lol

I can only get my free PGA member tickets for myself and wife, so if you have a good drag outfit we can try! :)

Online tickets for practice days are like $500 but I have heard you can buy from scalpers onsite for less.

I will bring you a cool souvenir tho

[buccaneer morgan]

Shipwrecked crew at 1:09,points out bier's"s category error, over there.

[Jack is Back!]

MT

Well, you'll have a treasure trove of old LU track believe me.

In Re: Dana Ward Gilbert not being Willy or Xereres, it was Iggy, I believe and Tom Colllins (who had communicated with him).

I may be wrong about Iggy but I faintly remember him tsk tsking the idea of Willy being Dana Ward Gilbert - Feather passer extraordinary.

[Frau Fragezeichen]

Trudeau, in a tweet, said Canada would welcome those fleeing “persecution, terror and war. Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith.”

I remember when it was easy for local authorities elsewhere in the US to buy a one-way ticket and send an undesirable to California. It sounds like Trudeau is asking for similar action. The good news is the tourtière is safe.

[Threadkiller]

Richard Grenell ‏@RichardGrenell

This isn't a reversal from the White House EO, this is a reversal of the media's panic attack. Reporters finally read the text. https://twitter.com/free_media_hub/status/825738665041260544 …

[Jack is Back!]

Trending toward a multi-player shootout at Torrey Pines. Ald a possible first time winner.

[Threadkiller]

I’m away from my computer now so long posts are impractical. But I was able to get past the paywall of the NYT and read the entire piece by Bier. I’m less impressed by what he wrote than I am by the attempts of Patrick to fend off McCarthys rebuttal.

Basically Bier’s entire piece relies on a straw an, which he then attempts to knockdown. In his final paragraph he writes “If Mr. Trump [note the unwillingness to refer to him as “President”] can legally ban an entire region of the world…”

I can’t get beyond that because the EO does no such thing.

Further his piece is devoid of any support for HIS claim that the 1996 Amendment, which I’ve posited as completely undermining the basis for his claim the EO is illegal, had some unexpressed and hidden desire on the part of Congress that the “wanted the discrimination ban to hold some force.” Those are his words and he provides no cite, quote, or link that substantiates his characterization.

In fact, the 1996 amendment was passed by a GOP confess in response to a DC Cir court decision invalidating an INS reg that required Vietnamese living in Hon Kong to return to Vietnam in order to apply to immigrate, but allowed other nationalities living in Hong Kong to apply from Hong Kong. It did so on the basis that the reg treated Vietnamese in Hong Kong different from every other nationality living in Hong Kong, in violation of 1152(a)(1).

So in 1996 Congress amended 1152(a)(1), but adding the section saying the no discrimination provision does not apply to Sec of State decisions about how it carries out the application process.

No fair reading of the EO can call it a “ban”. It’s a suspension of the old procedures while new procedures are put in place.

It’s temporary and it does not ban a “whole region” of the world. Several countries that are majority Muslim and are contiguous neighbors of the 7 suspect countries do not fall under the EO.

Bier is a poseur who doesn’t understand what he’s writing about but his thesis fit the editorial POV of the NYT editorial staff.

Shipwreckedcrew (af0b8c) — 1/29/2017 @ 1:09 pm

http://patterico.com/2017/01/29/responding-to-andrew-mccarthy-on-the-legality-of-trumps-immigration-order/#comments

[Buford Gooch]

JiB at 3:26
I've been wondering that for years.

[James D.]

But that assertion was denied by multiple officials with knowledge of the interactions, including two officials at the State Department.

NAME THEM!

If it's off-the-record, if it's "officials with knowledge" then it's bullshit. It's lies. It's prog propaganda.

If they care so much, if this is really the rise of Naziism in America, if it's the end of the world, then put your goddamn name on it and stand up for what you say.

[Threadkiller]

Thanks narciso.

[Truthbetold5]

Jack

Is Michael Maccoby one of your old neighborhood pals that you go to Comet Ping Pong with?

[Beasts of England]

lol, windansea!! I've been several times and have plenty of cool souvenirs, but I appreciate the thought. Unless you can smuggle out of few pimiento cheese sammiches... ;)

[GUS]

Jack, as usual, you are correct. Ig cleaned Dana Gilbert Wards' clock as usual.
In my case, I saw Dana Gilbert Ward posting under his CHICKENSHIT DE PLUME. I made no response to anything DANA GILBERT WARD posted as Xyz TROLL. I merely made mention of DANA GILBERT WARD and his DEAD SON.

IMMEDIATELY the new TROLL responded to me, and attempted to brand BEASTS and GUS as RACISTS.

Bingo. Point/game/set/match.

The craptard isn't very smart. He USED to be a typical LEFTIST/LIBTARD "poli/sci" teacher at SHITZER COLLEGE. End of story.

[Frau Fragezeichen]

JiB - only the names change. The trolls are all alike: 'Cleo, Ben, X-man, duda, Dana, Willy, jor, 8-hater are all interchangeable. They reek of Pischer College which churns out pathetic foot soldiers for Soros and his Open & Shut Society.
'Cleo is the template with his dead son and carpy life for the rest.

[pagar, a bacon, ham and sausage supporter]

http://libertyisviral.com/barack-obama-busted/

"“We found that 3,394 authorized SNAP retailers (retailers) used Social Security Numbers (SSN) that matched SSNs of deceased people."

Unbelievable!

[Jack is Back!]

Frau,

Don't forget BuBa and KaKa. They all belong in the JOM Hall of Shame.

It really takes less wine or more discipline to not respond to them:)

[Jack is Back!]

Sh*T forgot to add TBT or Marty Watters. He has become the most irritating and ill-informed troll of all. One of Rahm's waste of the human mind.

[Truthbetold5]

Jack

Tell us more about your trip to Comet Ping Pong.

[GUS]

I saw a PINK PUSSY HATTER with a sign saying "First they came for the Muslims...and..."

We aren't COMING for THE MUSLIMS.
The EO doesn't ban nor deport MUSLIMS.
It doesn't fill TRAINS, SHOWERS, OVENS nor DEATH CAMPS with anyone, nor specifically Muzlims. The EO, doesn't release SELF PROCLAIMED TERRORISTS from GITMO, nor does it trade U.S. Military private-deserters for TERRORIST Generals who have no claim to the Geneva Conventions.

We are dealing with THE FULL COMMIE American Leftists who are cuckoo for cocoa puffs and are funded by RICH ANARCHISTS.

[Frau Fragezeichen]

Thanks JiB. They all look alike to me. ;-D

[Truthbetold5]

Enlighten us all Jack Lillywhite

[Frau Fragezeichen]

GUS, can we say the Pinkos are the domestic part of "enemies, domestic and foreign"?

[Truthbetold5]

Jack

Tell us about the Bechtel family.

[windansea]

Stephanie pls check ur email

Beasts

So you are saying you don't have capability of looking 5'2" with semi large knockers? Heh

Forgot important question. Will your boat be in the water by April 6th? Asking for a friend.

[GUS]

Hello Frau my dear. You KNOW you have always been mine, and possibly Clarice's FAVORITE!!!!
Dana Gilbert Ward is easy to OUT.
I outed his pathetic skinny ass today.
But "truth be told" Haahhahhaahahahahaaaaaahaa pun INTENDED,
I don't care which and how many trolls are ACTUALLY .....Dana Gilbert Ward. They are ALL Dana Gilbert Ward. Seriously. I've had friends here, try to chide me that X troll "isn't actually Dana Gilbert Ward". Oh DEAR!! I'm so so sorry, I misjudged WHICH TROLL you actually are....!!!!! My point is. Dana Gilbert Ward is easy to spot and a clown, BUT, who cares is a TROLL has been (Heeehehehee) unfairly branded as WARD???
If one of our newbie trolls IS NOT ...Dana Gilbert Ward, I don't care.... I am TROLLING THE TROLL.

Dana Gilbert Ward outed himself today.
And I laughed my (redacted) off.

Frau, have I ever mentioned that you are my FAVE??????

[Frau Fragezeichen]

GUS - what about, "First they came for the yazidis and we did nothing."

[Man Tran]

RSE,

Didn't have time to peruse the surfaces of the Am Bar, but about every sq in. was covered. Sailing pix, hard hats, medals. You could spend hrs pausing over detaisl.

[Stephanie Deplorable Beeotch]

I dont have WNS email addy.

[FTL]

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2017/01/stop-muslim-terror-by-stopping-muslim.html

Out. Out. Out!!!

[GUS]

Frau!! You are on your game today.
The 70's gave us a BILLY "boom boom"AYERS, era, where we could not have ENEMIES to the STATE.
I mean everything goes. Free love, acid, bombings, BUT ONLY FOR DAMAGE TO BUILDINGS!!!!
Obama was raised in the GLORY HOLE MEMORY of the VIOLENCE of the late 60's and early 70s.
Opies, Grandparent SOUGHT OUT RED "head masters" for their RED DIAPER BABY....STANLEY ANN!!!! It was SOOOO COOOOOOL!!!!
Stanley Ann, hooked up with Frank Marshall Davis, and Barry Sr, a drunken philandering loser.
HOW COOOOOOL CAN IT GET!!!!!!

The MAN had kept XYZ down, and to quote MALCOLM the 10th. BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!!!

Anarchy was to rule the day.

SOUND FAMILIAR?????

[Jack is Back!]

MT,

Don't forget La Caprice is next door. I haven't been there in years so I can't recommend but if it is still there then the gentry crowd still visit.