What Does China Want With North Korea?

Chinese leaders undoubtedly have a strategy with respect to North Korea and the West, although it is also likely they have hard-liners and moderates creating dynamic tension.

This piece describes the North Korean strategy, with the familiar point that the North Koreans have an ongoing crisis of legitimacy and believe they need their nukes to stave off a US overthrow (Libya and Qadaffi are mentioned here, although She Who Must Not Be Named is omitted as the architect of that venture.)

But a key point is made in the discussion of what it might take to soothe the fears of the North Korean rulers:

The High Costs of a Deal

Any agreement that North Korea would be likely to consider minimally acceptable would come at huge cost to the United States and its allies. North Korea would be likely to require:

■ A tacit acknowledgment of the country’s right to retain its existing programs.
■ A declaration that the United States considered the North Korean government legitimate and would not seek to topple it.
■ The lifting of sanctions.
■ The withdrawal or reduction of the American military commitment to South Korea.

“They want to see the end of that alliance,” said Joshua H. Pollack, the editor of the Nonproliferation Review, suggesting that North Korea has drawn inspiration from the way that the United States broke with Taiwan in order to normalize relations with China in the 1970s.

Mr. Pollack emphasized that North Korea probably saw this as a long-term goal to be accomplished over many years, rather than something to demand up front and all at once.

Still, he said, North Korea may see this as the only way to reduce the existential threat that its weapons program is meant to curb.

Any partial or full American withdrawal would risk sending the American relationship with South Korea and Japan into crisis, empowering North Korea and weakening American influence in Asia.

Hmm, breaking the South Korea/Japan/USA alliance and booting the US out of that part of the world... who else might benefit from that? China, maybe a bit?

Which suggests that as much as we exhort China to bring Kim Jong Un to heel, there are surely Chinese hard-liners arguing that in the longer run, North Korean and China have a broad overlap of interests. Troubling!

But then again, in what is presumably a signal to those North Koreans, the Chinese leadership has allowed some moderate dissent:

Criticism of Beijing’s North Korea Policy Comes From Unlikely Place: China

By Chris Buckley

BEIJING — When China’s best-known historian of the Korean War, Shen Zhihua, recently laid out his views on North Korea, astonishment rippled through the audience. China, he said with a bluntness that is rare here, had fundamentally botched its policy on the divided Korean Peninsula.

China’s bond with North Korea’s Communist leaders formed even before Mao Zedong’s decision in 1950 to send People’s Liberation Army soldiers to fight alongside them in the Korean War. Mao famously said the two sides were “as close as lips and teeth.”

But China should abandon the stale myths of fraternity that have propped up its support for North Korea and turn to South Korea, Mr. Shen said at a university lecture last month in Dalian, a northeastern Chinese port city.

“Judging by the current situation, North Korea is China’s latent enemy and South Korea could be China’s friend,” Mr. Shen said, according to a transcript he published online. “We must see clearly that China and North Korea are no longer brothers in arms, and in the short term there’s no possibility of an improvement in Chinese-North Korean relations.”

Whoa! It's hard to imagine that China would be willing to accept a re-unified Korea under South Korean leadership as part of a Western alliance. On the other hand...

China’s “traditionalist view that views the U.S. as a much greater threat than North Korea is deeply entrenched,” Bonnie S. Glaser, an expert on Chinese foreign policy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, said in an email. “But the proponents of change are vocal, too. They argue that North Korea is a growing liability.”

What China really wants is stability and calm:

Mr. Shen has gone much further than other scholars in calling for a reset.

“The fundamental interests of China and North Korea are at odds,” he said in his lecture. “China’s fundamental interest lies in achieving a stability on its borders and developing outward. But since North Korea acquired nuclear weapons, that periphery has never been stable, so inevitably Chinese and North Korean interests are at odds.”

With Obama in office the Chinese were never really worried that the US would do something daft, so placating North Korea and annoying the US was the lower-risk path. George Bush, of course, was mired in Afghanistan and Iraq. Bill Clinton had his own distractions, some in Iraq and some closer to the Oval Office.

But Trump? There is a guy who can play the 'crazy' card with as much gusto as Kim Jong Un (I always thought that was a modest talking point in favor of the McCain Presidency, for what that was worth).

If - yuge IF - forced to acknowledge that their current path leads to a potentially disastrous confrontation China might yet try to walk a different road. My ongoing hope is that they try to preserve North Korea as an independent buffer on their border under sane new puppet leadership provided by the son of the recently-poisoned legitimate heir. Such a great deal can be worked out!

Comments

[Account Deleted]

"That surfer babe must be 29 in Stepford years."

Looks like the silicon composite plastics industry have one more satisfied consumer. Not to mention the livestock industry.

Whatever happened to aging gracefully?

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

Maryrose,

But Ernst gets one of the Chutzph-of-the-year awards for her criticism of Trump playing golf on the weekends when he is working 7 days a week 16 hours a day while Congress thinks the people's business is worth junkets, 3 days a week and everynight fundraisers.

Thanks for the compliment, though:)

[Account Deleted]

Science Guy Bill Nye says "there's a movement to replace science."

And there's a March for Science this weekend in DC. To be followed by yet another useless protest next week on whatevs.

So, let me get this straight, Bill--- the climate change obsession, is that the movement to replace science or is there a cabal of snake handlers in lower Mississippi who are going to start getting DOEnergy grants to study the Divine healing power of serpents?

[henry]

Bill "I wouldn't know science if it kicked me in the ass, but I play a Science Guy on TV" Nye. Hey Nye! That kick in the ass you just got? Yeah, that was Science telling you to STFU.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Anyone think CBS "journalists" are pissed that Gayle King [whoever she might be] vacayed with Amos and Andy on Geffen's yacht?
Me neither.

Take a look at the link;
Anyone think Gayle King was born a woman?
Me neither.

[Account Deleted]

I was strolling in downtown Berkeley today near the antifa "battlefield" as the unwashed here are calling it now.

You could smell all the "Settled Science" wafting through the air from City Hall park to the downtown region.

Passing through the Subsidized Farmers Market the most uttered phrase was "release his tax returns".

That will likely get bumped when Jenner announces he is going to donate his taxidermied johnson to the Smithsonian.

It will make us such a more inclusive society, you know.

[henry]

If, Gayle is more feminine than Mooch.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Yes, but she's more masculine than Barry.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Trump has proven a fairly stout fellow on his campaign promises. However, regardless of whether there is a backstage feud, his promotion of Ivanka and Kushner is troubling.
If they are successful in getting him to back off important promises like backing out of the idiotic climate accords he will have a serious problem. If he remains his own man and ignores them on important issues so much the better but it is pretty worrying. Nobody fires their kid and that's a bad thing in any employee.

[Free James D!]

Oh, good. I see Paul Begala has called...

"Trash" would be a compliment to Begala; he would have to rise several thousand levels to aspire to the rank of trash.

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

Well, Begala and his beard Carville are well known condenscening a**holes and very knowledgeable from first hand experience of dealing with "white trash" since they worked for it's King - William Jefferson Clinton.

I/d like to see him call the Huntress and Ted that to their faces, preferrably while they are at the range.

Again, another great moment in chutzpah.

[Account Deleted]

Everyone is more masculine than The Bath House Rat.

[Account Deleted]

Another moment of ecommerce hilarity.

Been waiting on a book from Amazon. Prime guaranteed 2 day delivery. It's been a week.

So in today's mail there is a postcard from UPS informing me that the correct street # is needed for the package to be delivered.

Hmmm. Let me get this right.

Amazon has our automatic address dealy-bob on file. UPS somehow has our correct address on-file to mail the chingadero notice to me.

But the package was not deliverable.

I can drive 12 miles to battleground Richmond CA and pick it up. Or....

Jeff has a newspaper to run you know.

[Captain Hate]

I think Gayle is a legit woman, subject to check by somebody else. Seems like SeeBS doesn't like to be the target of gossipy stories; the ironing, it burns.

[Account Deleted]

This month's Atlantic cover seen in bookstore:

pic of Ailing Alec Baldwin (has heart disease from the looks of him) getting his makeup put on with his Trump wig on a manequin in his hands.

"Can Satire Save the Republic?--- Alec Baldwin's Quest to Conquer Trump"

Hey, Al! Why don't you try a little self-mastery and try to save your own daughter who you treat like garbage?

Duty calls though. Right? A flippin game show host--- are you joking?

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

jamesd,

Caps v. Leafs, game 5 tonight. Must win. They really have to get over playing down to inferior teams. Pens have 2-3 nights off since they are done 4-1 against a very competitive teak who I thought would give them more trouble than they did.

Getting past Leafs is least of their worries, then they get a super rested Pens team who give them nothing but fits every year in the playoffs.

I am not going with choke this year but then I really don't what kind of leader Ovenchin is and how he can charge them up. Hoping he has fire.

[daddy]

Jenner is a sad case, and will become more pathetic as he does more and more to get attention. If he were my father, I would get a court order for commitment.

Miss Marple, can you envision that scene?

"Mr Mason, I see that you're representing the children of Mr Jenner in the hopes of having him committed. Will you please identify the family members you're representing who have filed the petition with this Court?

"I can, your Honor. Here are my clients:

"Mz Kim Kardashian,"

"Mz Khloe Kardashian,"

"Mz Kendel Jenner,"

and Mz Kylie Jenner."

"And what exactly are the reasons the errr, Jenner daughters are recommending for the incarceration of their father, Mister Mason?"

"Moral turpitude, your Honor."

MORAL TERPITUDE?

"Moral Turpitude, Mr Mason?"

"Perry's really stepped in it now, Della!"

"Yes, Your Honor, Moral Turpitude. His children believe he is not fit enough morally to be either their father or their mother."

"I object, Your Honor. Mr Mason is making a mockery of this Court, and of the Law.

"Objection sustained Mister Berger, and I have to say I agree. Case dismissed."

OMG!, OMG!, OMG!!!

"Nice to see you can't win 'em all, Counselor. Bwa ha ha ha ha!

"Della, when the waiter comes back, ask him to make my next one a double.

[daddy]

I think the Midwest vote theft op headed by Jan Shakowsky's hubby which O'Keefe exposed hurt Hillary in Michigan and Wisconsin--they'd been stealing votes there for decades/

Posted by: Clarice Feldman

Clarice, that makes a lot of sense and would explain why they didn't do a lot of campaigning there since they already knew Michigan was in the bag.

[Captain Hate]

And there's a March for Science this weekend in DC.

There's a well intentioned but nutty skirt whose dog likes Teddy; despite the fact that I've given her no positive feedback, she insists on telling me how insane Trump makes her on walks around the lake. She's going to that sciencey march; that Bill Nye will be there tells me the level of scientific rigor which will be on display. If they had any sense of humor, which a look in the mirror would instantly activate, they'd have a seance with Professor Irwin T. Corey.

[jimmyk]

I stopped reading that Gayle King link at the opening words: "Gayle King’s serious CBS colleagues...."

Mathematicians would refer to that as the "null set."

[daddy]

A philosophical question -- one I will never see the answer to, I expect, but it interests me. If there were a pill that made one happy to be one's own sex -- as opposed to pretending one were the other sex -- could our society deal with that? This is a very identity politics world we live in now, and transexuality is becoming yet another identity that must be *PROCLAIMED* or *CONDEMNED*.

Posted by: Appalled

Appalled,

Rod Serling's Twilight Zone did a great examination of pretty much that exact question in Number 12 Looks Just Like You

In a future society, all young adults go through a process known as "The Transformation," in which each person's body and face are changed to mimic a physically attractive design chosen from a small selection of numbered models. The process gives everyone a beautiful appearance, slows deterioration due to age and extends a person's lifespan, and makes the recipient immune to any kind of disease.

The motive of the Transformation is social harmony. According to Professor Sig (aka Sigmund Friend), a psychologist with the Transformation service, "Years before, wiser men than I ... saw that physical unattractiveness was one of the factors that made men hate, so they charged the finest scientific minds with the task of eliminating ugliness in mankind."...
An excellent episode.

[Account Deleted]

"This is super awkward." K. Kardashian, all the flippin time another humanoid is involved.

[daddy]

Since Venezuela, like every failed state before it, isn't REALLY trying socialism, isn't it about time for progs to admit it will never REALLY be tried anywhere?

Great comment, Iggy! How come they always keep trying "fake Socialism," but never real Socialism:) Maybe it's because they know then that they can fail and already have a ready excuse to explain their failure.

[Account Deleted]

I remember that one, daddy. I watched T-zone when I was in kindergarten up until it went off the air.

[Account Deleted]

Funny to me are the shadows on the walls of the old black and white tv shows.

[Account Deleted]

All right. Catch yoonz tomorrow night. Goin to the beach for an overnight.

Be good to yourselves!

MAGA

[daddy]

Can we make Hawaii into a possession instead of a state? Ditto for Alaska?

The Fed's already own 72% of Alaska.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--I think Gayle is a legit woman, subject to check by somebody else.--

I was only kidding CH, but if you look at that pic she's gotta have some Navratilova hormones flowing; biceps and triceps like Franco Colombo, smaller pecs than Franco and a squarer jaw than Clutch Cargo.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Another classic by daddy at 7:00PM.

When are you going to retire from that useless plane driving so you can follow your true calling full time?

[daddy]

the "small, homogenous population of well-educated and highly-skilled people who all strongly share a set of common values and traditions" have to serve in the military,

What sort of Society would the Spartans of Ancient Sparta actually fall under, if categorized under something other than a "Military Society"? Since they were so heavily military, and tilted opposite their artsy fartsy Democracy inventing, freedom loving, cousins in Athens, the Left will never embrace them since they didn't give us the unbelievable Art and Plays and Literature and Philosophy and Education and Science and all the rest that Classical Greece bequeathed to mankind. Just asking for info. Off the top I think they were a strong, cohesive society for 500 years at least.

[Jack is Back! (Overlooking the East River and Roosevelt Island)]

Uh oh, Ovehkin down on low bridge trip below his hip. Taking out # 1 player in hockey. Only 2 minutes. BS. Now get mad Caps. That is there strategy.

[Jack is Back! (Overlooking the East River and Roosevelt Island)]

Oshie scores. Get mad, get even. Caps up1-0.

[daddy]

Ig,

I need to go back to work quick so I quit wasting so much time entertaining myself, but I am happy when others enjoy my nonsense:)

[Dave (in MA)]

I'm trying to watch the Bruins, Red Sox and Celtics, all playing at the same time. The Last Channel button only works with 2 channels.

[narciso]

No record one. Watch the two.

[maryrose]

Dave:
You are multitasking or multi watching.
I did that a lot during March Madness.
Trying to watch 4 different basketball games was challenging.

[Dave (in MA)]

I'm not really a basketball guy, so the C's get only occasional looks from me.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

daddy,

Showed my daughter your Perry Mason/Jenner/Kardashian strip. after I mentioed Jenner was going to do a nude photo shoot.

Sh made a face amd said that was something we didn't need to see.

She loved your strip, though!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Just got back from Kroger. Daughter went with me because she needed to get stuff for lunch and weird stuff for breakfast, like carrot juice and organic apple juice which she mixes half and half.

What luck! Since this is "Earth Week" all of the organic and natural stuff was on sale, so she got a bunch of that. Even after coupons the bill was still $160. Organic stuff isn't cheap.

One of these days we are going to find out that most of it is exactly the same as non-organic only in different packaging. However, it's a small price to pay to keep the peace.

I did get a 1pind package of Russell Stover chocolates for 70% off because it had an Easter over-wrap. So there's that.

[Jane]

Who is winning Dave?

[Dave (in MA)]

Both the Bruins and the Sox are down 1-0, and the Celts are up 3 at the half after having their 20 pt lead whittled away.

[Jack is Back! (Overlooking the East River and Roosevelt Island)]

From the deep state:

The CIA had an opening for an assassin. After all the background
checks, interviews and testing were done, there were three finalists:
two men and a woman.

For the final test, the CIA agents took one of the men to a large
metal door and handed him a gun.

"We must know that you will follow your instructions no matter what
the circumstances. Inside the room you will find your wife sitting in
a chair. Kill her."

The man said "You can't be serious. I could never shoot my wife."

The agent said, "Then you are not the right man for this job. Take
your wife and go home."

The second man was given the same instructions. He took the gun and
went into the room. All was quiet for about five minutes. The man
came out with tears in his eyes, "I tried, but I can't kill my wife."

The agent said, "You don't have what it takes, so take your wife and go home."

Finally, it was the woman's turn. She was given the same instructions
to kill her husband. She took the gun and went into the room. Shots
were heard one after another. Then they heard screaming, crashing,
and banging on the walls. After a few minutes, all was quiet. The
door opened slowly and there stood the woman, wiping sweat from her
brow.

"The gun was loaded with blanks," she said. "I had to kill him with the chair."

[Jack is Back! (Overlooking the East River and Roosevelt Island)]

Caps let Leafs in. Now 1-1.

[Frau Gemeine Merkung]

Ole Babble-on confuses fear with nausea, I hear.

Too much Lungenhaschee. Tsk, tsk!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

I forgot to tell you guys. Every time I go to Kroger I pass a sign up at a place which I think arranges in-home nursing care. It's probably a way to make relatives understand things. However, the sign is weirdly funny.

It says "Experience dementia live! April 28."

[narciso]

I bet I can read this song in three notes

http://www.babalublog.com/2017/04/21/sixteen-american-military-dunces-press-for-love-affair-between-u-s-and-castrogonia

[daddy]

FOX today played video of 3 MSM guys giving grief to Trump yesterday for saying that the Paris "Terror Attack" "looked like a Terror Attack," prior to confirmation that it was a "Terror Attack."

The 3 clips were of Brian Williams, Chuck Todd, and Jake Tapper.

Always worth recalling how eager the same Media were to damn the Tea Party for the Aurora Colorado Theater murders, simply because the shooter's name was the name as some guy on some Tea Party list in the Phone Book: ABC’s President Admits Brian Ross’ Tea Party Flub ‘Detracted’ From Their Coverage

When news of the Aurora shooting first broke, ABC made a judgment call that has since become arguably the low point of journalism pertaining to the shooting – namely, ABC correspondent Brian Ross concluded that, based solely on the shooter’s (fairly common name), he might have had connections to the Tea Party.

Femall.

[Tonto]

Movie recommendation: Their Finest. Any small caveats I have would telegraph the ending. However, it all works out.

On the downside, had to sit through a promo for Al Gore's upcoming ludicrosity.

[narciso]

The shock on that list is bobby inman is still around, there's Paul Eaton, one of the mutineers, he was tasked with training the Iraqi army which promptly deserted in fallujab

[narciso]

Caught suicide squad, which goes to show you that even mnuchin cangreenlight a hot mess every once in a while, didn't pay for it though.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Also, while I am on the subject of signs, there seems to be a weird violence related pun naming of beauty salons in this area.

Examples:

Locks Reloaded
Hairslingers
Curl Up and Dye
Chemically Dependent
Final Cut
Hairi Kari
Contagious Hair (not exactly violent but it makes me think of head lice)

I think Hairi Kari is my favorite. Nothing like naming your beauty shop after ritual suicide.

I go to Cheryl's Beauty Shop. It's in her home and she is a gardener so we can talk about flowers and such.

[narciso]

Its like that David caruso film. In the mid 90s that went straight to cable. With a title that predicted such a fate

[Frau Gemeine Merkung]

Hi, Tonto! Thanks for the movie recommendation. I saw the ad today in our sustainable McClatchy newsette.

My husband pointed out that this is the time of year when the Claremont Colleges must have some kind of student uproar. It's just about time for the pampered louts of all genders to have those moving pods brought in to help them move back home.

[danoso]

A friend of my wife, an EPA employee, stopped by this afternoon and mentioned she was heading to the march for science thing tomorrow.

"So you going to make it down?"

"No, I still have funding"

She didn't like my answer.

[Captain Hate on the iPhone]

I'm reading the short story that Arrival was based on, The Story of Your Life by Ted Chiang. It reads very well and I've already detected some differences from the movie. Amy Adams was well cast because visualizing her as the narrator is very seamless. I'll probably finish it tonight.

[Tonto]

I'm sure you'll like it, Frau. In the beginning you start to think it might be a heavy-handed feminist polemic, but, thankfully, that's a red herring. Let us know what you think -- if you go, that is. But -- do go.

[Captain Hate on the iPhone]

LOL, danoso; such a stationary target.

[narciso]

I know consider the source,

http://www.newsweek.com/ayman-al-zawahiri-cia-donald-trump-drone-strike-osama-bin-laden-pakistan-587732

If the shawl valley sounds familiar, its where bergdahl was held for a time.

[narciso]

There is so much good sci-fi that could be adapted, yet we end up with another iteration of independence day, which was war of the worlds eleventy

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/228406

US kills ISIS leader. Haven't seen this show up in US press. Quelle surprise.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/04/21/president-trump-visits-treasury-department-to-announce-reform-policy-review/#more-131663

Includes speeches by both Secretary Mnuchin and President Trump, as well as transcript of President Trunp's speech.

[Captain Hate]

Vince Carter is still throwing down dunks at age 40:

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2017/04/21/grizzlies-vince-carter-dunk-spurs/

His college teammates retired about a decade ago and Vinsanity's still posterizing people. Inspirational.

[narciso]

She hasn't really thought this through:

http://therightscoop.com/im-doing-my-homework-on-impeachment-tulsi-gabbard

[Dave (in MA)]

The story where the aliens communicate by spitting coffee rings on the glass, as Lileks put it, CH.

[Captain Hate]

That's the one, Dave. Btw, you know Rondo broke his thumb, I guess in the last game or practice. Just when it seemed like the light went on for him.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://www.axios.com/trump-gets-rid-of-surgeon-general-2372968411.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic

I am pretty sure there was more to this than Axios' claim he opposed e-cigarettes.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://www.lifenews.com/2016/02/11/chelsea-clinton-i-left-the-church-when-i-was-6-because-it-opposed-abortion/?utm_content=buffer3884c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Either this is a lie, or her upbringing was worse than I thought.

[narciso]

This is why she drives to a franks to distraction, the main opposition to
him, was evangelism for good control

[narciso]

consider this every time connelly or mcawful show up there.

https://www.memri.org/tv/sermon-dar-al-hijra-mosque-va-where-al-qaeda-leader-al-awlaki-was-imam-911-imam-shaker-elsayed

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Anthony Kernich‏ @AntJKernich 5m5 minutes ago

A Brussels Airlines A330 appears to be diverting to Nantes, France https://planefinder.net/flight/BEL204 #squawking #squawk7700 #flight #BEL204

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

A bunch of head shrinkers diagnose Trump as paranoid delusional.
Most acknowledge they violated their conventional professional ethics to do so, but I'm sure most support the March On Science, er sorry, March For Science also.
Hey what good are professional ethics if you can't violate them for your politics?

[Clarice Feldman]

Looks like Rather lied about his military service, toohttp://www.aim.org/aim-column/another-dan-rather-scandal/

[narciso]

Maybe Dan rather was always a figment of our imagination after bad szechuan, oh yeah people was (redacting) him this week.

[DrJ]

March For Science

I've thought about attending. What do you all think? I'm in the area after a grueling week at NSF and NCI.

[narciso]

So NYC will be the staging area for a war game about a nuclear detonation, are they nutz

[daddy]

Among many reasons that I don't trust reporters like Brian Williams, Chuck Todd, and Jake Tapper, is because they refuse to acknowledge that what goes thru the heads of people as stories are developing is in itself a legitimate part of the story. They act as if only after they have had their opportunity to massage the story to their journalistic satisfaction that it becomes a story that people can be allowed to have opinions about.

For instance, when the gunmen in Fresno last week was reported as shooting random victims I thought immediately it was an Islamic Terror attack. That is a legitimate part of the story, because in this day and age observant people with brains have to suspect that.

When I the heard he was shouting "Alahu Akbar " I knew it was an Islamic Terror Attack. That's part of the story.

When I saw that the Media then censored out reports of him shouting "Alahu Akbar" I knew that they knew that it was an Islamic Terror Attack, but that they don't want people to know that. That's part of the story.

And when I then read that the Police Chief said that the islamic Murderer's sole reason for murdering was "Race," I not only knew the Police Chief was lying, but I am not surprised that he was lying, because like the Media he is interested in trying to keep the Public from having their correct perceptions and preconceptions of Islamic Terror confirmed. That's also part of the story.

Now if it had turned out it wasn't an Islamic Terrorist, just some aggrieved maniac with a suicide wish, I could have handled that too, and that would have been part of the story as well.

So when President Trump says about Paris, "It looks like a Terror Attack," he was correct, whether it turned out to be true or not, because it did look like a Terror Attack, regardless what Tapper, Williams, or Chuck Todd think.

And BTW that's different from Obama saying "I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly.

Obama was an idiot for saying that "the Cambridge police acted stupidly", but the fact that he had that preconceived notion in his head was also part of the story---in fact it was probably the biggest part of the story, because it revealed his latent racism.

To the dogs.

[narciso]

This is why Phillip roth stopped writing fiction in the early 80s

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/04/21/alleged-borussia-dortmund-bomb-plot-straight-bond-movie

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Dr J,

Go and ask random questions about science.

Examples:

Explain what a mole is.

What is the speed of light?

Do you understand the coefficient of friction?

What are the two different types of volcanoes?

Name 3 types of clouds.

Name the major parts of a cell.

Anyway, you get my drift. Maybe you could make up a pop quiz and ask them to fill it out.

I bet most of them couldn't answer more than one of the questions I listed.

[GUS]

By the looks of her, Chelsea the Omen stopped brushing her teeth at the age of 6 too.

[Buckeye]

MM

Your right, but anybody who was paying attention in science classes in middle school 40-50 years ago would get a passing grade on your quiz.

What does that tell us?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://nypost.com/2017/04/21/20-year-old-mcdonalds-sauce-packet-sells-for-nearly-15k/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow&sr_share=twitter

This is why you should always check resale value before throwing anything away.

If you are not sure about something, check with me.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Buckeye,

What that tells us is that the schools are worthless, and that most of the people at that science march don't know anything about science.

It's actually pretty frightening. I learned about cloud types in the fifth grade.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Nytol!

[narciso]

An area of concern:

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/china-still-playing-a-double-game-in-korea

[Dave (in MA)]

Explain what a mole is.

A sauce made with chocolate and chili peppers.

What is the speed of light?

Twice the speed of dark.

Do you understand the coefficient of friction?

It has something to do with why the rug ends up bunched up against the wall when the cats are running around after getting catnip.

What are the two different types of volcanoes?

Normal and baking soda.

Name 3 types of clouds.

Regular, thunder and fluffy.

Name the major parts of a cell.

The door, the bunk and the toilet.

How'd I do?

[Dave (in MA)]

Could we beat the Ioniq people to death with the carcasses of the Kars 4 Kids people?

[daddy on IPhone7]

Just stopped at the Trail Paking Lot we walked yesterday and there were red traffic cones blocking the entry with a red Bear Warning sign reading "Friday 4/21 Brown Bear feeding on Moose Kill. Trail Closed Potter to McHugh."

Yikes! I guess they're awake.

[Frau Gute Ratschlaege]

DrJ - go and wear a MAGA hat so we can pick you out in the crowd.

[Threadkiller]

Russia Canada and Ernst can express opinions.

FTFY Maryrose.

[Frau Gute Ratschlaege]

Dave (in MA) @ 11:26 - can you work in the Cash for Clunkers crew?

[Dave (in MA)]

Do they have ubiquitous annoying ads?

[Frau Gute Ratschlaege]

Not any more. That was Obama's initial scam and the people who produced it have yet to be punished.

[Dave (in MA)]

My complaint was about annoying ads with annoying people singing annoying jingles, but I'd go for that too.

[joan]

daddy, your 10:51: "....For instance, when the gunmen in Fresno last week was reported as shooting random victims I thought immediately it was an Islamic Terror attack."

Yes, it's the way the media controls the news -- on another story last week, think in CA, but it was the shooting where the guy was named 'Mohammed Something', got so mad and almost posted this twice THE LOCAL CBS AFFILIATE NEWS PERSON SAID "THE GUNMAN SHOUTED GOD IS GREAT!"

The gunman shouted "Allah Akbar" or however you spell it. Now, if CBS wants to spare Muslim's feelings (they're real big about being inclusive and sparing hurt feelings of our Muslim citizens in Tulsa) by not using Allahu Akbar -- why don't they worry about Christians out in TVland when they twist the truth and tell the lie?!! I am still so aggravated about it that I am slightly incoherent trying to type it out. I have sputtered all week about the lying jackals of the media.

[joan]

:) Should have said "I got so mad" -- my post almost reads like the gunman got so mad.

[joan]

Dave (inMA)-- you did great, I'm still smiling.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

That 11:22 is hilarious Dave.
Too bad vaudeville's dead. You and daddy would have made quite a team.

[Buckeye]

New Antoine Dufour video.

https://youtu.be/2Z1wa2wmFtM

For the fingerstyle guitar fans. Don't think Hedges was this good.

[narciso]

I know Joan, this story is given short shrift:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/21/marine-le-pen-gets-poll-boost-paris-attack-donald-trump-says

If the cop was at bataclan he would know the horrors that happened there, he surely though they might have learned a lesson.

[joan]

I'm still sputtering. The media can change Allahu Akbar to God is Great to spare Muslim feelings, but CBS doesn't worry about substituting our God because it doesn't matter to them how we'll feel about our God's name being besmirched.