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July 11, 2017


Thomas Collins

Just a great story. And no bureaucracy needed.


I was afraid it was going to be a My Pillow link.

Glad I clicked it! Great story.


I am glad they are safe, but were they in the water with red flags?

Had conditions suddenly changed and the flags in that part of the beach had not yet been changed? Usually only the fire dept can change the flags even as conditions change.

Over the ten years I spent all summer at the beach maybe ten miles from this stretch, I was cussed out so many times trying to warn people there was a rip tide.

"I am on vacation and I am going to get my money's worth" was and is the dangerous attitude too often.

Dave (in MA)

Anti-gay riptide. They should boycott Mother Nature.



Another Bob

Apologies for going OT so soon, but...

A question for the crew here: Bottom-line, is there any evidence, speculation, proof, or credible suspicion that anyone working for Team Trump sought anything at all from Russia or Russians during the campaign?


I think I just caught Dem Representative Schiff in a lie 10 seconds ago:

Schiff: "Here I think you have quite direct evidence that the Russian Government had damaging information, communicated that to the Campaign...

Where is the proof of that? Is there some actual "proof" that the Russian Government had damaging info? I heard about the Russian dossier and the peeing on the bed, but I thought that was about Trump and was paid for and ginned up by some Brit Agent. Where is the "quite direct evidence that the Russian Government had damaging information"?


Last Page

Another Bob


Schiff is saying there was damaging information about *Hillary* that he says was communicated to the Trump campaign?

What was that damaging information?


Schiff was commenting on the Don Jr E-Mails.

Tom Maguire

I checked a couple of stories before linking that one. Somewhere I saw yellow flags mentioned. Here we go:

Ursrey and her husband, mother, nephews and sons were enjoying the sun and yellow-flag conditions near the M.B. Miller County Pier. Ursrey herself had just left the water, but when she turned around to look for her sons, she noticed they were much farther from shore than she remembered. Concerned, she started walking down the beach.

And since the heroine was from Alabama, Roll, Tide is the required headline. Darn.


What was that damaging information?

That's my question. Where is the evidence that the Russians had damaging info? Because Buddy Hackett said so might be good enough for Govt work, but not in reality.

common man

Panama City Beach is about 45 minutes east of me. The flags on the beach were red much of last week here, which means riptide. Even a strong swimmer may not be a match for a the rip current, although its usually easy enough to head parallel to the beach for a short distance and escape. Amazing to me how many folks get in the water without understanding the meaning of flags posted by the County.

common man

Adam Shiffhead, makes my remote mute button deploy simply by the sound of his grating voice. Happens every time on my tv...


The trouble with rescuing Chinese people is that an hour later...


Daddy - the Dems/MSM continue to occupy/foist on the still-sentient world the position that (a) there was and is no damaging info about HRC et al, yet (b) Trump's peeps are guilty of collusively releasing damaging info about HRC. No?

Clarice Feldman

Something like what happened to DTJr--the phony set up-- once almost happened to me. A govt official said if I put him in touch with an environmental law firm , he'd hire them, they didn't have to do anything and they could turn the money over to us--the UWA challengers. I told him that was illegal and I would never do that. Sometime later I read that he was quoted saying we had received govt funds under the table--which we had not. Even later I was at some conference where he was representing his dept..he couldn't look me in the eye. The govt is and has been for years full of people like this.


One thing has become a little clearer to me, at least, is that what the left/MSM means by 'collusion' is substantively different from what i do.

To them, DJr 'colluded' by being open to receiving material from a non-US party that would help his father's campaign.

Is that what you'all believe impeachable collusion is? (assuming, for a moment, that DJr's actions were directed by his dad.)


After reading the Facebook account I was struck, but not surprised by the lack of participation from the local revenuers.

It reminded me of the Alameda heroes standing on the shoreline unable to save a person drowning in shalow water.


Hate to screw up an early retirement at 110%.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

I would like to point out that an early set-up of the trump campaign was not simply because they worried about losing.

Let me go back to that infamous tweet that the Obama guy posted on Twitter:

"Donald Trump should not only be defeated but destroyed, so that his kind shall not rise again."

They were going to drag this story out even after he supposedly lost, and take apart his empire and probably jail some of his family. They would have been able to do it with the full force of the government behind them, and with their capabilities for manufacturing evidence and the corrupt people in the FBI and the CIA, they would have gotten away with it.

What did Admiral Rogers tell President-elect Trump when he went to new York to see him a week or so after the election.

And Adam Schiff is calling Donald Trump Jr. a liar and saying nothing any of the Trumps did can be believed.

They are running the same plan with a much-diminished arsenal.


to me, the questions begged by such a position are endless. for example: would DJr's actions be AOK if he had merely been open to obtaining the same material from a US person instead? If not, why not?

i've asked this question elsewhere without receiving a remotely coherent response. my guess is that the real answer from leftists is that it would not. because the behavior here that is actually 'unacceptable' and 'unforgivable' is doing anything to prevent HRC's righteous coronation.

Clarice Feldman

Worked for them with Haditha, Abu Ghraib, Bush lied, Ambassador Munchausen and his secret agent wife--why not keep using the old playbook?

Tom Maguire
The trouble with rescuing Chinese people is that an hour later...

Hmm. An hour later you're hungry for another rescue? Or the Chinese are hungry for a hero?


Thanks Tom. To my point and also what is clearly common man's experience, the fire dept has not been willing to let others change the flags. For a wide county like walton where I was or the bay county where pcb is, the conditions commonly will have changed long before the flags get changed.

Good thing there were clearly some tourists with common sense in this case.


MM at 5.21. bingo.
(plus, hadn't DT already put HRC in her place at that dinner thing before then? you know the ShrewCapone wanted him and his entire family dead after that.)




So far, it appears that there is evidence that Goldstone is a con artist, and DJT Jr. Is a chump.

Neither constitutes collusion, but makes Jr. look like an opportunist.

Did I miss anything important?

Miss Marple the Deplorable


I have on the Fox live stream and Kat Timpf must go.

She doesn't understand why we are even talking about Hillary. Bah.

Give her the hook!


Well regardless, now the story will continue while we await to see the E-Mails if any Don Jr sent to Kushner and Manaforte and their replies and etc, ad nauseam .

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Maybe a chump, maybe playing along to see what was going on.

Who knows?

I do think it was a set-up and I do think they were doing it even though they thought Hillary would win.

All you have to know is how vindictive the Clintons are. Plus, they were not interested in having a donald trump who lost sniping from the sidelines and funding investigations. Nope.

They were going to destroy him.


Goldstone also sounds like the sort of guy who could come up with a story about Russian Hookers and peeing on Obama's bed, etc. Would like to see his connections to Steele and the Russian Dossier. Off to work. Later.


Yimpf isn't there to smirk and look millenial. Which are much the same thing.


Timpf is

common man

The best that I came come up with for Timpf is that its generational. She speaks some dialect that is only understood by millenials. She seems to have little deduction or logic available to her use...


Maybe both MM.

I don't have a problem with him trying to get the goods on Curb Dive, but he should have been a bit more careful.

Of course, easy for me to say in retrospect.

Clarice Feldman



Scott Adams will be on Tucker Carlson's show tonight... for those with cable.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Kellyanne Conway made a good point the other day. The reason that "principals" had this meeting is that this was when the campaign was still running on a shoestring, and they didn't have a lot of staff. In a different campaign, this meeting would have been held by flunkies.


Sorry for shouting but this is very important.

Dave (in MA)

OK but what is Yimpf there for?


Dave, ask autospell... It only specified was Yimpf isn't there for.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Here's the Emin music video for the Miss Universe contest. Be sure you watch all the way to the end!


This is the greatest timeline! LOL!


Timeframe question: when was the "Trump Tower server" fake news released? Pair that with this fake meeting and you have one manufactured FISA warrant to monitor all things Trump. (h/t a commenter at The Donald).


The first reported FISA request was in June 2016. Timing wise, that could easily have been in response to the Don Jr Goldstone and Russian lawyer, who met in early June if I'm reading the emails right. But that FISA request was allegedly denied as being too broad.

The later, narrower, allegedly-granted FISA request to monitor the Trump Tower server was in October 2016. On Halloween, the Clinton campaign seemed to have coordinated "breaking news" of the server with Slate. TNR was skeptical:


Timeline here: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5xk2c8/breaking_here_is_the_evidence_obama_is_going_down/

Beasts of England

Rooooooooooll Tide Roll!! 😜


Thanks Porch! That says it all. Even the FISA judges saw this email string as total bs. They are as close as it gets to automatic hanging judges... and they said NO.

Beasts of England

For those of you scoring at home: Hueytown is the home of Bobby Allison, Neil Bonnet, and Red Farmer (The Alabama Gang of NASCAR). And Jameis Winston. Three outta four ain't bad.


Just so you know, Kat Timpf's idol is Caro.

So where did hillary and the DNC get info on Trump. My guess is that would define collusion. Just think what Hillary promised in return.


MM ... your 5:35 is spot on. Novice Trump campaign, associates, family were overwhelmed at times, in the "swamp arena" of politics and how corruption accountability depends on whether you're "inside" or "outside" the imbedded structure of the last 25+ years.

But, this includes---to the dismay of many who supported the Republican Party---the Bush's, Romney and Mc Cain types, who submit to lefties in control.

In a way, they are worse than the vampirism of Clinton/Obama types--I knew immediately they would feed off my blood--I hoped the others might be a surprise--but--No!
I still am grateful GW was President on 9-11-2001, but he retreated to save what exactly, in 2008?


Why Donald Trump Jr. is Innocent. Period. | Law News

Donald Trump Jr. took a meeting from someone claiming evidence of foreign corruption by Hillary Clinton. The meeting proved useless. Donald Trump Jr. released the emails leading to the meeting. It is clear from the documents and statements of all involved that Donald Trump Jr. did nothing wrong. He broke no law. This isn’t like Hillary Clinton’s husband soliciting donations disguised as speech payments, travel costs, and charity work, while Hillary was Secretary of State. Based solely on the fact the source of the information was a Yeltsin-era prosecutor from Russia, a few anti-Trump lawyers falsely accuse Trump Jr. of a crime.


Jim Eagle

So, we lose 12 Marines in a plane crash but the big story is some 'Bama chick rescuing a bunch of Chinese.

Perfect for where we are in the new world.

TM, how about at least a salute, guy.


jib-red asked me tonight how much that story was being covered and it's really not. Twelve families that don't even get the comfort of a recognition that their children or spouse's lives mattered to the american people.

c130s are a workhorse for troops going overseas. We need to know why.

Jim Eagle


Correction: it was 16 and the Herc is a very durable and reliable plane. Augering in is not something I will owe to maintenance. Need big time investigation IMHO.

Actually 15 jarheads and one Navy corpsman.

But what pisses me off is TM thought that was less worthy than a bunch of people on a beach enjoying their summer doing something those guys who lost their lives are willing to do everyday.

Poor optics.


"But what pisses me off is TM thought that was less worthy..."

You are free to head out and start your own blog. Please.


Sorry if already posted, I'm completely behind.
At one point, I subscribed to a daily email from the Trump Admin, here's a factoid from today's email:
Only 141 issuers filed to sell plans on Healthcare.gov during the upcoming enrollment period – down from 281 just two years ago

Janet the expert 🚬

Anyone can start their own blog & post about whatever they want.


Seems like a hasty judgment, JiB. Absence of a post is not evidence of what you imply.


I watched Stephen Hayes on Fox News tonight talking about this eMail stuff from Junior and I almost lost my damn mind.

I'll never listen to that guy the same way again.


Captain Hate

But what pisses me off is TM thought that was less worthy than a bunch of people on a beach enjoying their summer doing something those guys who lost their lives are willing to do everyday.

Poor optics.

You can believe what you want but I think that's a mischaracterization of TM's criteria for posting. He's been very active recently in accordance with our requests and deserves to be cut some slack on this.

Comanche Voter

I am ashamed to admit it, but Adam Schiff is my Congress critter---and a sleazier little bastard never walked the face of the Earth.

Jim Eagle

Janet, et. al.

I just thought if you are going to post a human interest story somehow you could at least give some notice to the Marine losses one. But you're right. Its not my blog and maybe someone has posted it.

I forgot we are a Trump collusion all-day blog.

Captain Hate

I watched Stephen Hayes on Fox News tonight talking about this eMail stuff from Junior and I almost lost my damn mind

I think your mind is fine. Hayes has been a huge disappointment.


The plane crash, like the destroyer, have not gotten the MSM attention they should. Then the pipe bomb last night at an AF recruiting station in Tulsa got less (I have not seen a report on injuries). Scalise is also off the radar, although last report he had an infection and was in peril again.

It's all fake news / anti Trump 24x7.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


I posted that story this morning before I heard about the airplane crash. I got called away and got distracted by the numerous posts and didn't notice if anyone else posted about it. TM may have gleaned it from my post this morning.

We can walk and chew gum, so I think give him a chance and don't depend on him to post all of the news. I should have posted an article about it once I saw it, but assumed someone else had done so. TM was probably in the same boat.

The story about the human chain saving people is not a bad one. It's not more of the Russia crap, and it does show the good side of America, something those Marines were defending.


Adam Schiff is the Chuck Schumer of the House.
Lying slimey slithering snakes, the both of them


The Hill @thehill

"We can confirm that we have taken into custody a person of interest in regard to the bombing at the USAF Recruiting Center last night," the FBI's field office tweeted.

Authorities initially said they believed the explosion late Monday night that damaged the doors of the recruitment center to be an act of domestic terrorism.

But a federal agent later said authorities were investigating the incident as a criminal act, according to News on 6 in Tulsa, Okla.

The facility in suburban Tulsa was closed at the time, and nobody was harmed by the detonation.

The FBI did not name the person of interest or say how the individual was connected to the incident.

Security cameras at a nearby restaurant in the same plaza as the recruitment center reportedly captured surveillance footage of the explosion.


Prayers for our Marines.

Assuming the DTJr thing was a set-up, or even assuming that it wasn't, one question I have is--Why now?

Why did they wait so long? They've already thrown every scrap of any even remotely plausible connection between Trump and "The Russians" out there and tried like hell to turn everything into the "proof" of the meme they are so desperate to believe (or to get the public to believe).

So why this Goldstone thing at this point in time? Are they just completely out of ammo? Did Mueller get the word out that he's going to shut things down? I am assuming for purposes of this question that there are no real secrets in DC and that Goldstone or someone else has been shopping this thing for a long time. What gives?


Stewart is about 10 minutes from me. The c130 is
an amazing plane.

Marine reservists from Stewart among 16 killed in plane crash


Jim Eagle

While we forget my well accepted critique of which stories should be tops, we are paying tribute to the great Latin stars of the Baseball HOF. Tony Perez looks great, as does Pedro, and Ivan Rodriguez but the other guys can hardly walk. Even Baseball can take it out of your knees and hips. Painful to watch Juan Marichal walk out to the midfield.

But everyone of them belong in the HOF. No question.

Miss Marple

boatbuilders am assuming they are near the bottom of the barrel, and needed something to distract from Comey having classified stuff in his emails.


Go ahead and investigate. Hope Mueller finds out who
connected the Russian lawyer with Donald Jr's
acquaintance in the U.K. Set up by ........

CNN Politics @CNNPolitics
BREAKING: Robert Mueller's investigators plan to examine the meeting and emails Donald Trump Jr. disclosed CNN


I think they just found out about the Donald Trump jr story, which is why it came out now. And like everything else I suspect eventually it's gonna come back to Hillary. I mean if Hillary was doing something corrupt didn't the American people have a right to know about it? Donald Junior was doing his civic duty.

Even I'm laughing at that thought.

Ralph L

This isn’t like Hillary Clinton’s husband soliciting donations disguised as speech payments, travel costs, and charity work, while Hillary was Secretary of State.
That's what's so annoying. Blatant corruption on one side gets a pass.

Miss Marple


This is why it is so important to neutralize the corrupt media. They speak with authority to many Americans, so there is no one to hold them to account except the internet.


Chez lyle update: no exceedingly hawt gal golfer tonight on the practice fairway but I did learn that there's a women's member/guest tournament starting tomorrow (we don't belong to the golf club--at ~$25/month it's out of our price give a shit range.) BUT! The invitation from our neighbors two doors down to a big party Saturday could be much more interesting if the aforementioned hawty ringer shows up...

Hey! JiB and OL have the Hamptons and Nantucket, lyle has...well, something a bit less glamorous. 😎

Recovery summer!


JiB posted
Painful to watch Juan Marichal walk out to the midfield.
Midfield? You're soccer is showing Jack. ;)

I am soooooo tired of the Trump/Russia bullshit. They've been beating to death a horse that never existed.


That's what's so annoying. Blatant corruption on one side gets a pass.

Not only that, but any response along the lines of "But Hillary..." gets met with "You're changing the subject." Either we have a single standard of justice or we don't. And if what Hillary did would really never be prosecuted, according to Comey, then this amounts to the equivalent of a grammatical error.


BTW, lest you think I'm waiting to ogle the hawty, I can assure you I'm really not. What will be much more enjoyable is watching the reactions of the women golfer demographic at the shindig to the interloper. Delicious.



← Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Sanders Briefs The Media…
Curiosor and Curiosor – Natalia Veselnitskaya Pictured With Obama Officals in DC on June 14th, 2016…
Posted on July 11, 2017 by sundance
This is oddly interesting.

( h/t GWP ) At the heart of the current media Russian narrative du jour is a story about Donald Trump Jr. meeting with a Russian attorney named Natalia Veselnitskaya. That meeting took place on June 9th 2016 in Trump Tower.

Now it is discovered via video and images, that only 5 days later, June 14th 2016, Ms. Veselnitskava was a guest of former Obama administration Russian Ambassador Michael McFaul in Washington DC for a House of Representatives hearing on U.S. Policy Toward Putin’s Russia. [Video HERE – and Video HERE]

Ms. Natalia Veselnikskaya is pictured seated in the front row directly behind former U.S. Ambassador to Russia Mr. Michael McFaul at the House Foreign Affairs Committee. This is June 14th, five days after the reported meeting with Donald Trump Jr.

It should be noted that Ambassador McFaul was very publicly discussing the ‘Muh Russia’ conspiracy narrative in the media and appeared on numerous NBC and MSNBC broadcasts during the 2016 campaign, and immediately after the election.

It should also be noted that Ms. Natalia Veselnitskaya was initially denied an entry visa into the United States in 2016 and appealed her situation to the U.S. District Court of New York. She was granted a parole letter allowing her to enter the United States on behalf of a client.



Forgot to add that Marichal pitched for the Whitecaps in my home town in 1958.

Miss Marple

My computer is messed up. It froze up so I tried logging off. Wouldn't work, so I unplugged it and restarted. Got my page but no icons so couldn't sign on to Firefox. Unplugged again. Testarywd. This time I got the icons so clicked on Firefox. Swirling circle for over 5 minutes. Hit cruel-alt-del. clicked on log off. It's now been stuck on signing out for 5 minutes or more and nothing is happening.

Anyone who has a suggestion
Would be gratefully appreciated. Besides JOM and other web sites, I depend on my computer for banking and email to my attorney. Thanks in advance. (Sending from my iPhone, which I hate.)


Did you ever get that shotgun, MM? Past that I'm no help, sorry.


Marichal's going on 80. But there are lots of players his age that look like they could go out and still play--Koufax, Kaline, Aaron. Some people don't age so well, others better. Not likely that much to do with the game.

Jim Eagle


Good catch. you got me. I don't think I ever made to the infield. I was a catcher and terrible hitter. But it something how the Latins have taken over baseball, not totally but if you don't have them on your team, you don't survive.

If anyone here thinks the Donjr. escapade is going nowhere then you weren't here for Plamegate. Its so similar of making a mountain out of a molehill its silly. Don Jr. is our designated ham sandwich.

Jim Eagle

Using spell check on Chrome is an exercise in futility.

My post is addressed to Gentlejim but for some reason when I spellcheck sandwich if posted it as his address?+@!!! weird.

Gentlejim, I only hope you are not Mueller's "ham sandwich".

Jim Eagle


Yeah, and Marichal and the others is why I work out every day and do PT every week. Keep moving and be fit. Lessons to all. Move.

You don't have to do more than move. Sitting is the new cancer.


MM try starting the computer in safe mode. Hit F8 as it is rebooting.

Thanks to all friends for many prayers. My boys surgery went well. I'm taking the train home while Mrs Peter sleeps in Columbia Presbyterian


I've been called lots worse Jack. Haha


A new trial balloon (editorial in today's WSJ):

America Isn’t Ready for a ‘Cyber 9/11’

A new cabinet-level agency could help—if officials have learned the lessons of Homeland Security.

That's what we need: more government! How about we shut down programs/agencies 2:1 for every expenditure of this new, and probably useless, department?

I'll listen to Ella: "Let's Call The Whole Thing Off."

Miss Marple

Well I am giving it one more try on restart, if this doesn't work I am going to bed,, if I have to post on my phone do not look for links from me.

If my PC is shot I am going to be bereft and on my phone only,


Glad to hear about your son, peter!


If my PC is shot...

Your PC likely is not shot, but some important files got corrupted. It happens. Without more symptoms, it is hard to diagnose from afar. But it can be fixed.


"Probably," DrJ?


Great news, Peter!


Fair enough, lyle.

I tire of the attitude that if there is some problem, any problem, that exists here or overseas, that the solution is more government money/agencies/people/whatever.

Miss Marple

Dr J,

No fixing unless someone gives me directions. No money. That is just how it is.

Miss Marple


Wonderful news about your son's surgery! I am so happy things went well!



Do you have a backup?

Miss Marple

Going to bed.



Practice fairway warming up! Stay tuned...

Miss Marple

Dr J, I have a laptop which grandkids got goofed up playing games. It is still on windows 7 or 8 I believe. Granddaughter will be here tomorrow so maybe we can load it with Windows 10..

I don't like to use it but you have to work with the hand you are dealt.

Good night.

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