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July 16, 2017


mike in houston



Climate Change did it.


Why is this a surprise, to be written and read? Sheesh.



Re: John McCain's surgery--

What the HELL are they talking about????
Pretty much EXACTLY what CTH says. Never in all my born days spent in an OR--coming here on 40 soon--have I ever heard anything remotely like that statement.

Routine physical/blood clot/ "minimally invasive" CRANIOTOMY????

Nope, never have those words been used in sentences together before.


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Jim Eagle

What's the over/under that we will never see more than two pages of comments ever again? One day? One week or One month?

Can't blame Obama or Trump. W already has been the boogie man since 2003. The MFM does not recognize baton passing.

The "lumencellos" are out tonight in a brilliant display.


Anonamom, do Drs consult with families if the patient is capable of making decisions? That too is at odds with the "not a big deal" spin.


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and they forget the lesson of Lebanon, not surprisingly flathead and robin wright were teaching it, something about Israel and occupation, whereas the real lesson was if the us is chased out of a majority shia country, the sepah will fill the vacuum,

zuul is carping all over patterico's site, and it doesn't seem to bother him,

Miss Marple the Deplorable


THANK YOU! I am glad to see someone I know verify what CTH said, and what various commenters pointed out.

My mother had brain surgery for a large meningioma when she was in her late 50's. It left her unable to walk and took her months before she could speak intelligibly and even then, she had no sense of time passing, so someone had to be with her at all times, or she would think she had been left alone for hours.

When I saw "craniotomy" and "routine" and a 5 cm. blood clot "sent to pathology" my radar went ALERT!

Thanks for commenting about that!


oh from the last thread:


so the first rule, is don't actually put an Iranian and Syrian puppet in the prime minister's office,


Routine physical/blood clot/ "minimally invasive" CRANIOTOMY????

Nope, never have those words been used in sentences together before.

Oh, I don't know about that A'MoM. I thought that was the standard diagnosis and procedure for the Incans:


[From the interwebs, and the previous page] subdural haematoma treatment: Surgery involves either making holes in the skull (called burr holes) or an operation called a craniotomy.

Burr holes are small holes that are drilled through the skull over the area where the subdural haematoma has formed. They allow the blood to be removed or sucked out through the holes. Stitches or staples are then used to close the incision.

I suspect we are not talking craniotomy.


henry, no, doctors do what the patient wants them to do, which may include talking with their family--
but patients make the call on their care.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


The word "craniotomy" was used in the press release. Assuming that they got info from Mayo and did not improvise, that word has a particular medical meaning.

And if they DID improvise, why would they use such a word?

I smell something fishy here, myself.



I agree with Wictor that the Trump family is smarter than the MFM wants us to believe.

However, if DJTJr. set a trap with those Rooskie con artists, now would be a good time to show a carcass :)

Jim Eagle

Obviously, we are all forgetful of Dr. Stephen Maturin's skill in brain surgery under very stressful circumstances on a rolling and reeling ship of the seas. I can see McCain being "trephening" now under the good doctors calm hands on scalpel.

Wouldn't that be lovely?


they got the Iranian story, criminally wrong as fall of heaven, showed, and much stems from that, for the lead player in Hezbollah, was an Berkeley educated official, Mustafa chamran, who was trained in the plo camps, and who returned after the revolution


, which was aided by the disappearance of musa sadr, thanks to quadaffi, his amal movement, was cherrypicked to form hezbbollah, with strong contributions for Arafat's force 17' mugniyeh, who bob baer, spent a whole book calling him from another name. so why is this important, because mugniyeh's principle demand, was the release of the dawa 17, who were kin of his, involved in the bombing of the American embassy in Kuwait, da'wa was the Iraqi born
shia faction, from which at least one Iraqi prime minister came from,


If it wasn't a craniotomy, you would think McCain's "people" would call out the press.


Good point by Wictor in MM's link:

Thomas Wictor‏
Thomas Wictor Retweeted Groundhog 🌹
Another point: @DonaldJTrumpJr has US Secret Service protection by June 9, 2016.

The USSS would've identified an active Russian agent.Thomas Wictor added,


As you all well know from your own "routine physicals", evacuations of blood clots in the brain are not a part of that visit.

Somebody getting on their high horse--like Mayo is wont to do at times--might call Burr holes a "minimally invasive craniotomy" instead of what they are commonly known as.

But Burr holes are most certainly not part of a routing physical either.

Now, he may well have needed a scan as part of his follow up for melanoma, and this blood clot was found "incidentally" as they say on that scan. It can happen, and may explain his weird decision making of late--increased intra cranial pressure, decreasing cerebral blood flow and oxygenation.


What is burr hole craniotomy?

The smallest type of craniotomy is referred to as a “burr hole,” also known as trephination. The process involves drilling a small hole into the skull, revealing the underlying dura mater, the outermost of the 3 meninges covering the brain.Sep 17, 2015



Old people are more susceptible to subdural haematomae, for whatever reason -- weak blood vessels, a bump on the noggin, getting hit by an exercise band.


why did the iran Iraq war, degenerate in a siege of troy situation, because saddam relying on former Iranian officials like oveidi, had been assured it would be a 'cakewalk' a detail you might know if you read taheri, instead of the potted narratives,
for this time period,



Jim Eagle

Gee, I don't know. Everytime I go in for a physical I get not only Burr holes (just to check) but also a routine heart transplant. And I am not even a Senator.

What gives?


some of the background here,



Instead of “non-partisan CBO”, why don’t media outlets add adjectives to refine public understanding:

“notably inaccurate CBO”
“consistently myopic CBO”
“highly selective CBO”
“irrelevant CBO”
“economically illiterate CBO”

Miss Marple the Deplorable

I figure in about a week we will know if this was some routine thing garbles by his press office or a serious problem.

There are tweets from McCain, but any staffer could do those.

If he doesn't show up in DC by the 25th, I figure something more serious is going on.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Harry and Izzy's, 11:30 PM on the 19th.

email me if there is a change in your time.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 5h5 hours ago

I am at the @USGA #USWomensOpen. An amateur player is co-leading for the first time in many decades - very exciting!

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 1h1 hour ago

Congratulations to Sung Hyun Park on winning the 2017 @USGA #USWomensOpen🇺🇸

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

Heading back to Washington, D.C. Much will be accomplished this week on trade, the military and security!
5:24 PM - 16 Jul 2017


A friend of mine had an operation for a small brain aneurysm in January -- she still doesn't drive, has trouble getting around, uses a wheelchair part of the time, cane also. My husband, who is called a miracle by the doctors and physical therapist, still isn't 100% after nine months.

The brain is a miracle, but also delicate.


Perfect MM. That's about 30 feet from my Hotel!

If we need a reservation, please make it for 4 as I might be able to drag my buddy along.


I wish I was meeting Miss Marple. Nate (did I remember his name correctly?), daddy, and friend in Indianapolis for lunch. :)

Miss Marple the Deplorable


OK! I would love to meet him! We can trade stories about Pope Che!

Nathan needs to meet another pilot! I am still hopeful that he will go into something other than sports marketing, although he has done a great job of building connections and getting experience.

Lucky for you I am not bringing the granddaughter who is the Bernie gal. You would bop me over the head for doing that! HA!

Jim Eagle

See how Trump is handling the NORKS? He has a South Korean win the women's open on his on course. Think Hillary could have pulled that off?


McCain had no business running for reelection at age 80. Of course the voters ultimately chose, but once he chose to run it would have been hard for a Republican to oppose him. He could have had a hand in choosing his successor. Instead he'll probably be carried out horizontally before the end of his term.

And if it hasn't been reported, in AZ the governor appoints a senator's replacement if the seat is vacated, and it has to be someone from the same party as the previous senator.


Which Mayo facility did the procedure, and is McCain back in Arizona?

How did he get there? Commercial flight seems improbable.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Where are you? I am always glad to meet people from JOM.

I have met daddy, Captain Hate and Mrs. Hate, and SBW and Mrs. SBW.


Instead he'll probably be carried out horizontally before the end of his term.

I could start praying for it, but so far I'm batting .ooo :)


Bush 43 invaded Iraq with no clear plan for managing the post-liberation occupation.

Yeah, well, Zarqawi and people like him had been using Iraq as a home base and we killed them there, and Saddam and his kids were world-class human rights abusers, so who needs a steenkin' clean-up plan? Omelettes, broken eggs.

The somewhat shady Larry Johnson says something I've been thinking lately, i.e. if Trump had truly been colluding with the Ruskies he wouldn't need some info from Jr's entertainment buddy's buddy. He'd also be able to pick up the double top-secret batphone to the Kremlin and verify the meeting attendee's bona fides.

The entire collusion fever is no doubt predicated solely on the shoddy setup of this meeting. And there's every reason to suspect that Mueller's focus will be on getting some Trump official to fudge a detail of what happened when so that he can Scooter Libby that official and watch as the Dems try to take that to town, impeachment-wise. Crazy world, but Donald Trump is not one of the crazed.

Jim Eagle

Before bed, just one more thing. Dots meet connections. Worth a peek.



MM, Oh, way too far from Indianapolis -- 45 minutes north of Tulsa, almost in Kansas. I keep thinking if jom has a celebratory meeting somewhere, I'm flying to it (and I plan on using American Airlines :) for that.


Commercial flight seems improbable.

wonder if burr holes show up on a body scanner in security?

"No I don't have a pace maker, but I did have brain surgery yesterday"


Harry and Izzy's, 11:30 PM on the 19th.

MM, were you setting up a lunch or a later evening snack with daddy? If lunch, did you mean 11:30 AM?

Miss Marple the Deplorable


I understand. I only meet a few who are passing through Indianapolis. I am too far from the West Coast or the East Coast,

I possibly could drive up to meet Gus and henry, but my car is old and I am not really confident in making a trip over 100 miles in it.

Anyone who has a layover in Indy should let me know. I will definitely head out to the airport for coffee!


I have found John & Susan on FM radio, only slightly ahead of the ESPN talking heads. It is rare, if ever, the ESPN people talk about the game they are supposedly calling.

I have turned the TV sound off.

Frau Edith Steingehirn

Oh, how I love and miss Gary Larson.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


I just followed that guy today. He's like one of those weaponized autists on 4chan. He digs and digs into records.

Seems to me he has a good case with what he has assembled. I followed his Twitter feed and he says 2-3 journalists have contacted him already.

Also, he said that next week he is going to start publishing names of government officials who are anti-Trump, so that the President knows who to fire. LOL!

You better believe I am following that guy.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


11:30 AM!!

Thanks, sbw, for letting me know about my typo!

Frau Marschmusik

"if jom has a celebratory meeting somewhere, I'm flying to it..."

joan, Porch keeps singing that song. I will go to DC, too, if we can march against insanity...again.



That is pretty interesting. Tara Fitzgerald would be well advised to steer clear of Fort Marcy Park.


how does one say 'top men' in german:



and this is the two year anniversary of the Chattanooga shooting, that Conway misattributed to bowling green


From Maryros on the previous thread:

The untold story gradually getting revealed is the wiretapping of Trump Jr., Manacort, Lynch and others.
We need those FISA requests that Grassley wants.

I would like to see what was put in the first FISA request, the one that supposedly got shot down prior to the orchestration of this Don Jr-Natasha meeting. I would like to know what rational they included in their FISA request that the Judge did not buy.




this story has been covered with a pillow,



that's about the size of it,


Miss Marple the Deplorable

Robert Davi‏Verified account @RobertJohnDavi 9m9 minutes ago

Saddened on hearing of the passing of friend Great actor and teacher Martin Landau - May he RIP Condolences to family


How sad. RIP Martin Landau

Miss Marple the Deplorable


This must be why my Medicare supplement went up beginning next month by $30.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Heading to bed.



Doing catch-up and just got to Clarice's link from the previous thread to this: McCain and the Trump-Russia Dossier: What Did He Know, and When?

McCain is exactly the right person for a "What did you now and when did you know it?" question under Oath.

A British spy. An Arizona senator. And one inflammatory dossier on Donald Trump. The connection between them is starting to unravel...

That link led me on to this unexpectedly from McClatchey: John McCain faces questions in Trump-Russia dossier case

Now, two lawsuits — one in the United States and a second in the U.K. — are being brought by lawyers for Aleksej Gubarev, a Cyprus-based Internet entrepreneur whom Steele’s Russian sources accused of cyber spying against the Democratic Party leadership.

According to a new court document in the British lawsuit, counsel for defendants Steele and Orbis repeatedly point to McCain, R-Ariz....The court document obtained by McClatchy confirms that Sir Andrew Wood, a former British ambassador to Moscow and a Russia adviser to former Prime Minister Tony Blair, discussed the 35-page dossier with McCain....

I have zero faith in our US Courts to do any legitimate investigation, but I do have hope that the Brit Courts may not be as totally corrupt as ours therefore something may ultimately come of this.

As for McCain unexpectedly being in the Hospital undergoing brain surgery, it brings to mind that scene in 3 Days of the Condor where Max Von Sydow unexpectedly assassinates Atwood, and Redford asks the proper question:

Redford – 'You're working for the Company again?'

Sydow – 'Yes. I am.'

Redford – 'Jesus, they took you back...'

Sydow – 'Just for this. For Atwood.'

Redford – 'How... he's with the Company – why?.'

Sydow– 'I don't interest myself in 'why',
I think more often in terms of 'when',
sometimes 'where' -
always 'how much?'.
I suspect he was about to become an embarrassment.
As you are.'

Redford-(Removes glasses in final acceptance)



Ralph L

The Argyle Sweater is the closest I've seen to The Far Side.


narc@10:40, Stelter is the prototype of backpfeifengesicht (if I spelled that right). I still can't forget how Michael Wolff owned him. I can't find the full video any more, but this gives the flavor of it.

‘I mean this with truly no disrespect’ then "Boom!"


Some interesting back story?,the author of the original six days of the Condit was a Senate staffer, the mcguffin t there concerned a drug smuggling plot, somewhat akin to this vrkakte series snowfall, the film shortened it by half and centered on a scenario penned by Edward luttvak in Harper's, under the pen name miles ignotus, about seizing the saudi oil fields.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Thanks for that gif daddy.
I've watched Redford's appalling acting about 20 times now and it just gets worse [and frankly that is some of his best work].

Speaking of which, where is Appalled? Caught up in TM's web of doom?


I've seen him over at patterico, forgetting every lesson he learned here.


Martin Landau, man of a thousand similar voices, dead at 89


Speaking of slicing and dicing



having been in Britain for 10 days several years ago, that the #1 reason for Brexit was immigration, not EU rules and regulations.

In the Market Square in Cambridge England today where all the protests go on, this morning I walked by one which was a dozen people dressed totally in black and each one wearing those those stupid Guy Fawkes masks:

They made an outward square of themselves, 3 per side facing outward to the crowds, and each holding in their open arms an open Macbook Computer, blank screen, facing the crowd. I couldn't make head nor tails of it so I kept walking. Earlier there had been a 5K Run for Life in Pink.

It's the trendiness of Berkeley protests without the violence.

Frau Marschmusik

RalphL - I agree about the Argyle Sweater. That and the People's Cube shore up my mental health.

Dr Jot - the Auto is a 1987 300TD station wagon.

100% on your spelling, jimmyk. :->

Heading off to the comfy chair.


Trying to discern a point from brooks



Trying to discern a point from brooks

Narciso, When reading Brooks, take a tip from Mark Twain:

“Persons attempting to find a motive in this narrative will be prosecuted; persons attempting to find a moral in it will be banished; persons attempting to find a plot in it will be shot.'

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

How's about shooting the messenger with the Wehrmacht helmet haircut?


In this crew it's like Steve and eydie trying to one up sinatra



daddy: "In the Market Square in Cambridge England today where all the protests go on, this morning I walked by one which was a dozen people dressed totally in black and each one wearing those those stupid Guy Fawkes masks. They made an outward square of themselves, 3 per side facing outward to the crowds, and each holding in their open arms an open Macbook Computer, blank screen, facing the crowd. I couldn't make head nor tails of it so I kept walking."

We're in Salt Lake City on our way to Yellowstone and saw the exact same thing last night walking back to our room.
I had the same response. Just kept walking. :)

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

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I would tell leibovick, to lay off the brown acid, full bulwer Lytton writing


I wouldn't voluntarily read bexos


Janet the expert 🚬

Related to nothing..
2 old links that are funny

July 16, 2014 - 'Maryland Governor And Wannabe 2016 Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley: Compassion Demands We Let the Surge Children Stay in America, But Not in Maryland. In Other States. States with GOP Governors.'

"-- But before they hung up, O'Malley told Muñoz not to send any of the children to the facility in Westminster, Md., that the White House was looking at. It’s a conservative part of the state, he warned. The children were at risk of getting harassed, or worse, he said.--

"Or worse, he said." Bear in mind he says that these kids face "certain death" -- but he says don't send them to Maryland.

They'll get worse than that in Maryland, and he's too weak a governor to keep the peace."


July 15, 2014 - 'The Stupidest Article About Guns You Will Ever Read'

"Here is the Rolling Stone List of Death:


Revolvers (also handguns)


Shotguns and...


In other words, all guns. Plus Derringers, just for good measure."

Janet the expert 🚬

"The Journolist discussion took place nearly a decade ago, but in retrospect, I’m struck by how these three basic approaches—kill it, ignore it, call them haters—seem like media archetypes now."


Another reminder about JournoList - "At one point, their discussions involved a proposed government crackdown on Fox News.

The very existence of Fox News, meanwhile, sends Journolisters into paroxysms of rage. When Howell Raines charged that the network had a conservative bias, the members of Journolist discussed whether the federal government should shut the channel down.

“I am genuinely scared” of Fox, wrote Guardian columnist Daniel Davies, because it “shows you that a genuinely shameless and unethical media organisation *cannot* be controlled by any form of peer pressure or self-regulation, and nor can it be successfully cold-shouldered or ostracised. In order to have even a semblance of control, you need a tough legal framework.” Davies, a Brit, frequently argued the United States needed stricter libel laws.

“I agree,” said Michael Scherer of Time Magazine. Roger “Ailes understands that his job is to build a tribal identity, not a news organization. You can’t hurt Fox by saying it gets it wrong, if Ailes just uses the criticism to deepen the tribal identity.”

Jonathan Zasloff, a law professor at UCLA, suggested that the federal government simply yank Fox off the air. “I hate to open this can of worms,” he wrote, “but is there any reason why the FCC couldn’t simply pull their broadcasting permit once it expires?”


Janet the expert 🚬

This is good. A FB friend's comment gets picked up & amplified - http://thehayride.com/2017/07/might-best-statement-trump-won-democrats-trouble/


.McCain's diagnosis doesn't make sense?

I wonder if he is in the same hospital the Clinton's and Kerry go to.

Shades of the first Manchurian Candidate movie.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Good morning!

The very first thing I see on my Twitter feed is Matthew Dowd explaining Christian theology:

Matthew Dowd‏Verified account @matthewjdowd
Replying to @misterfine

Jesus came to establish new way of love. He didn't come to establish a religion.


The best comment is "Thou art Peter, and on this Rock I will build my....new way of love."

Miss Marple the Deplorable

I am seeing more people questioning McCain's strange health statement.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Miss Marple the Deplorable

Stephen K. Bannon‏ @realSKBannon 28m28 minutes ago

Starting a new week with @realDonaldTrump and a full plate -- trade, your safety, and so much more. #Leadership #MakeAmericaGreatAgain
4 replies 3 retweets 4 likes

Miss Marple the Deplorable

This week the Administration is doing "Buy American, Hire American" week.


The Pelletier girl was as much a prisoner of the state as little Charlie is. Exposure works though--which is why those hours spent online/writing emails/tweeting are valuable (she tells herself).

I think our POTUS could use a "Hey there, great job guy!" postcard this week--aol leads its daily propaganda to me with "Lowest Approval Ratings EVER" this beautiful morning.

Or a strongly supportive editorial in a local newspaper, if you happen to be in a position to do that. I'm sure that would catch his (or Kellyanne's)_

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Miss Marple the Deplorable

Not much news this morning.

Fox and Friends just had a Russia argument and now is going to dissect polls. I turned them off.

Think I will go back to bed since I have been up since 4.


Dennis Prager next up on FOX and Friends.



Notice the reference to our housing stock. It exists even though you paid for it and already pay taxes on it. Ours.

Another Bob

Sbwaters | July 16, 2017 at 09:43 PM

What you say about CBO may be true, but they score what they're asked to score. As such, they're frequently the lipstick applied to various pigs.

I ignore CBO's opinion of most everything.

jimmyk on iPhone

This is a horrible story. I guess details will come out, but hard to see how it's anything but murder. Had she been black we'd be hearing much more about it.


Captain Hate

I will go to DC, too, if we can march against insanity...again.

Burning down the Newseum would get me down there.

James D.

the original six days of the Condit

Is that what they call a "Freudian slip" ?

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