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July 29, 2017




Miss Marple the Deplorable

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 3h3 hours ago

Unless the Republican Senators are total quitters, Repeal & Replace is not dead! Demand another vote before voting on any other bill!

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 5m5 minutes ago

I love reading about all of the "geniuses" who were so instrumental in my election success. Problem is, most don't exist. #Fake News! MAGA

Jane (Stand against the Coup)

It reminds me so much of the Lewinsky saga that the media tried so desperately to hide.

Then came Drudge.


Carlos Slim bought a pillow factory?


Lol, henry.


I've come to the conclusion that there is almost too much going on politically to do 'due diligence' on. The Pakistanis. Fusion GPS. Unmasking.

I give up -- On the prior thread I tried to copy and paste the good bits from that Tablet article that linked up nicely to daddy's interest in the WSJ article he's been hunting all afternoon that showed Halverson's testimony about the perfidy of Fusion GPS -- and now here we have TM's interesting topic of those Pock-kee-Stahn-Nee Brothers (as GUS WOULD CALL THEM) :)

Anyway, I think I'll just read comments.

Jim Eagle


I live with the Time's UWS and UES constituents but thankfully only in the time between Memorial Day and Labor Day. You guys in CT and the City can have them when the leaves turn and the temperature turns down.

It is my experience that you just can't disagree or be contrary in any emotional sense since their perspective is Kaelian. They have never met anyone who disagrees with them. Isn't that nice?

Even the token conservative columnist in the Southampton Press had to temper his usual right-side thinking by coming out as a vociferous anti-Trumper. i just shake my head and laugh out load at the Letter's to the Editor.

Jim Eagle

...load s/b...loud...

Miss Marple the Deplorable


I said yesterday that I needed post it notes and a chart to keep everything straight.

I know how you feel.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Gave grandson this site's address tonight. He wanted it so he could read it; he probably won't post. I gave him your screen name so he could look for your posts.

Maybe after he has read a while he will post. Might be good to have younger perspectives here.

He really admires you and Chitown.


As an aside, this brouhaha about Dawkin's being banned from Berkeley for "Islamophobia" means that Dawkin's now has material for the beginning chapters for a third volume of his Auto-biography.

Also just as a Saturday question:

I see from this from the UK Telly link:

Professor Dawkins' bestselling book about the study of evolution, The Selfish Gene, was named the most influential science book of all time last week by the Royal Society.

I certainly take issue with that idiotic conclusion from the Royal Society, so before we start the vote, lets get some candidates out there for:

The most influential Science book of all time

1) Aristotle (Physics)

2) Euclid (The Elements)

3) Ptolemy (The Almagest)

4) Fibonacci (Liber Abaci)

5) Copernicus (On the Revolutions of The Heavenly Spheres)

6) Galileo (The Starry Messenger)

7) Galileo (Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems)

8) Descartes (La Géométrie)

9) Newton (The Principia)

10) Newton (The Optics)

11) Darwin (The Origin of Species)

12) Mendeleev (Tentative System of Elements)

13) Einstein (Relativity-The Special and General Theory)

14) Dawkins (The Selfish Gene)

I'm missing a lot, but who am I really missing, and though I really enjoyed 'The Selfish Gene' I don't think it deserves in any way to be on the top shelf with most of the previous dozen. Off the top I'd go with Euclid or Principe in the top slot bar none. Open to suggestions.

Comanche Voter

Geez Louise. Few if any of the fundamental facts concerning the Trump campaigns "collusion with the Russkies" have come into focus. That doesn't stop the NYT and WaPo, Sleazy Adam Schiff, Chuck You Schumer and San Fran Nan--not to mention Gate Mouth Maxine Waters from going Russkie, Russkie, all day long.

Get with the program Gray Lady.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 7m7 minutes ago

I am very disappointed in China. Our foolish past leaders have allowed them to make hundreds of billions of dollars a year in trade, yet...

..they do NOTHING for us with North Korea, just talk. We will no longer allow this to continue. China could easily solve this problem!

Dr Weevil

Everyone agrees that DWS didn't fire Awan until after he was arrested. Doesn't that make the NYT headline reference to "a Former I.T. Worker’s Arrest" grossly misleading and arguably a damned lie?

Miss Marple the Deplorable

0HOUR1‏ @__0HOUR1_ 5m5 minutes ago

That tweet from trump says one thing he looked at John Kelly and said what do I tell these Twitter Celebrities?

Tell em to shut the fuck up

Attention Mike Cernovich!

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Dr Weevil,

Why yes, yes it does!


Miss M,

It was wonderful to have Chitown show up and I can't emphasize enough how enjoyable that luncheon was. I am confident he made as great an impression on young Nate as he always does on me:) Lets do it again in few weeks if your schedules clear. I think I have 35 hours on deck starting about 2 AM on the 9th. No pressure, but if you can think of anything going on I'm flexible, and I know there's open rooms in the Omni for any other JOMers who care to drive hundreds of miles to take in a BallGame or burger "in these dark lands."


Daddy, excellent choices. I would add Galen for his near universal influence (western world anyhow) on medicine.


I don't find that supposed retweet by Pres. Trump, of the Townhall article "ABC, NBC, and CBS Pretty Much Bury ..." What's up with that?


Is anyone at home at the DOJ?


That is what's really troubling me. Specifically, where does Sessions fit into all of this? He attached himself to the Trump campaign like glue from the start, and was rewarded with one of the most powerful positions in the government. After his tedious confirmation, he immediately recused himself on ONE issue, muh...Russia. Then as soon as Rosenstein was in place, he appointed Mueller as Special Counsel to investigate muh...Russia, the product of his protege, James Comey.

I smell a rat, even if he looks and acts like Mr. Peepers.

Do the minority Senate Intel Cmmt Dems have veto power over who's called to testify and what they might be asked?


That's a question I keep asking myself, and I haven't found a satisfactory answer yet. Just look at all the characters in the Republican Party who have disappointed a desperate constituency in the last two decades. Trey Gowdy and Paul Ryan can lead the list which could take up a whole thread with names and anecdotes of their promises and failures. We can add Grassley and Alexander to the list after last week latest betrayal.


-- "a Former I.T. Worker’s Arrest" grossly misleading and arguably a damned lie? --

It's one of those "depends on what the meaning of 'is' is" things. And then there is the nearly infallible rule of thumb, "Everything in the press is grossly misleading and arguably a damned lie."

Miss Marple the Deplorable


That would be great. I know Bubbarooni could drive up from IU. Nate has a friend who is a PILOT who lives in Florida, grandson of my auctioneer guy. He would be a great addition if he could come up. If we had this on a Tuesday or Thursday we could get my sisters the Trump supporters to come. (I will leave out the dem siblings.)

Henry and Gus are about 6 hours away, I think. Captain Hate and Buckeye are pretty close, too!

Let's have a big meeting!

I could make name tags and centerpieces! LOL!

Miss Marple the Deplorable




Thank you for cutting and pasting the significant parts of the article on the last thread. Since I try to read everything on a Kindle, your doing so made it so easy for me to get the information.

I really appreciated it!


The only things Sessions is out of are: Hillary's email and private server; Clinton Foundation; and Trump campaign.

The first two he announced to Grassley in Sessions' confirmation hearing on January 10, and justified with the observation that he would not be seen as objective in those cases. At the time, Durbin asked Sessions "what about a hypothetical case against the Trump campaign." Sessions demurred, but said he would review that if necessary, and take those issues case-by-case.

Of course, Sessions would not be seen as objective in a case against the Trump campaign either, and he announced that recusal in March, before Comey told the world there was a counterintelligence case or cases.

IMO, the recusals are well taken, and will serve Trump well as those cases play out. I believe Sessions is recused, meaning not in those loops, out of communications, not driving that bus, on purpose not driving that bus. Even if you hold the recusals were not well taken, DOJ inaction on those cases, today, is not in Sessions hands. Trump needs to kick somebody else's ass on those points.


I gave you backgrounder on hannigan, past and recent update.

So in retrospect i was a little hasty judging house of spies, its still not as good as black widow, it elides strategic juices like those the security services did re libya. The plot line seems overelaborated, kg the pot comes from. Morocco why does it have to go through libya


Sounds like great fun Miss M. I wonder if your local Ball Team is playing a game on the 9th?


Great suggestion on Galen. There have to be a ton more---Kepler, Leibniz, Lewenhook, Lavoisier, Franklin...

I cannot see how under any rationalization whatever the Royal Society could decide that "The Selfish Gene" was a more influential Science Book than Euclid's, Newton's, or Darwin's "Origin of Species." It makes no sense at all.

And now I have to go on a bike ride before my rear end finds itself welded to this couch and incapable of separation, so if you'll excuse me...


Yes its very silly, my best guess its the dales behind this.

One has to go French papers no discover for example geberak hafters complaints about Qatar and Sudan sponsiri g terrorusts

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Don't know about the ball game, wil check.

Enjoy your bike ride!


I trace that "By Thursday morning, President Trump gave an added boost to the intrigue, reposting a tweet from the conservative news site Townhall suggesting a cover-up by TV networks." assertion to a July 28 NYT article by Nicholas Fandos.

Trump Fuels Intrigue Surrounding a Former I.T. Worker's Arrest

I still don't find a Trump repost referring to that Townhall article on @realDonaldTrump or @POTUS or Facebook. Townhall PUSHED the article to @realDonaldTrump, that I see. But that is hardly Trump fueling intrigue.


Texas Liberty Gal

More yippee!!



Miss M's Headline at 08:09.

Four terror suspects arrested in plot to bomb a PLANE over Sydney (Australia) after police breakup a Islamist cell in raids across the city – as security is boosted at airports around the country

Point 1) I am exceptionally thankful the Authorities caught the perps before the intended catastrophe and

Point 2) I am happy to see that Australia is being slapped in the face with the reality of Islamic Terrorism, so that they can no longer continue to blow it off as simply isolated events perpetrated as a consequence of perceived Aussie Islamophobia.

No more idiotic Kumbaya hashtags, Australia.

Wake the Hell up!


Al Gore's scientific work is mighty influential. Hey, nobody said the work had to be truthful.


Even if you Grant the Royal Society a "Modern Era" pass, "The Selfish Gene" pales in comparison to Shannon on information theory or Wiener "Cybernetics." Then the big stuff like Watson and Crick's papers. They are being silly.


Why Rosenstein?

Why Mueller?

None of this makes sense. Or - it does make sense and I don't like where it leads.

During Sessions' confirmation hearings and the Senate debate he was painted as just about the worst person to have ever held public office. In the last two weeks, he's described as a sterling character and guardian of the public trust. Not that he should withdraw his recusal, mind you.

When he went before that Senate committee a few weeks back, the only thing that he seemed concerned with was the restoration of his good name. He even brought his wife and family with him to emphasize the point. Ultimately, the Democrats, who did not vote for his confirmation, soft peddled the questions. Sessions survived once more, but he did nothing relevant to support the President.

My hope is that President Trump will find a way to move him out of the DOJ, and replace him with soneone who can take charge of that department and weed out the detritous left over in the past eight years.

Mueller needs to be fired, and neither Sessions nor Rosenstein will do it. Sessions' inaction brought about this waste of energy that is draining away at the administration. Even if he's squeaky clean, he's inept and should go.


I would cite the Carlos slim piece that is the bed for the book.




Here's a few more for your list:

The Sceptical Chymist - Robert Boyle 1661

A New System of Chemical Philosophy - John Dalton 1827

A Structure for Deoxyribose Nucleic Acid - James Watson and Francis Crick 1953

On the Equilibrium of Heterogeneous Substances - Willard Gibbs 1878

The Nature of the Chemical Bond and the Structure of Molecules and Crystals; An Introduction to Modern Structural Chemistry - Linus Pauling 1940

Jim Eagle


For me, the most relevant science book for my age is "The Double Helix" by James Watson. Not the greatest but the one which has done more for the quality of life of the human race. So much has been discovered and used to advance life from identifying DNA and its components and how they affect our bodies and minds.

And, of course, if you know me, "The Feynman Lectures on Physics" by you know who, the greatest kidder of intellectualism who ever lived.


Looks like McCain's ally was Biden
Biden called McCain ahead of ObamaCare repeal vote asking him to vote against it: report https://t.co/YskrwWZTSF?amp=1

Miss Marple the Deplorable


I go back and forth about Sessions. Sometimes I think the whole thing with Trump's public disapproval is kabuki to lead the ems into discounting him. (Borne up by the discussion of his body language on the interview with Ticker Carlson.)

And then sometimes, as you pointed out in his appearance before the Senate committee, I think he is satisfied simply to have the position and make sure everyone knows he has ethics.

Grandson and his uncle Zack and I were talking today about how hard it is to figure out what's going on. This is Trump's MO, as he doesn't like to telegraph his intentions.

So, here I sit, not really knowing the answer to the entire DOJ problem.


Sessions definitely won't fire Mueller. He said he was recused from cases involving the Trump campaign, and he meant it.

Rosenstein hasn't been put on the hot seat yet. I'm waiting for Dowd, Sekulow, and Cobb et al to work their magic against Mueller. Rosenstein is directly in that line of fire. Cobb starts on July 31

Jim Eagle

McCain is easily bought off. Ask Charles Keating.

He is an embarrassment to the Naval Academy, the Navy itself and now Arizona. He thinks he will go done in history. Guess what he will just like Benedict Arnold.

I regret I actually knew him and once liked him. I need a couple of bars of Lava just to erase the 20th year handshake.


From what I gather Trump wants Sessions to
go to Homeland Security. Mr. Immigration hawk.
He then will appoint Rachel Brand as acting director.
Rachel Brand was Trumps pick. Rod Rosenstein was
Sessions pick. Sessions let Trump down twice.
More supervision of Mueller under Brand.


What is the seminal work on quantum physics? That has to be on the list.


Rachel Brand confirmed by Senate as associate attorney general at DOJ - Washington Times


Ralph L

Daddy, since I've read all 14 in their original languages, I can tell you the most influential book is the Koran: it destroyed the progress of science in half the "civilized" world for nearly 1400 years.

Clarice Feldman

Add "surely you're joking, Mr. Feynman" to the list.

daddy on iPhone

Wow TM! That is some Major League ass covering of DWS by the New York Times:

It helped that the story seems to involve, if only tangentially, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the Florida Congresswoman...


Considering she's perhaps the only major reporter in the story:


Miss Marple the Deplorable


Long essay on the current N Korea/China situation.

Most interesting is that Mnuchin and Ross had a long dinner with Trump today at his hotel.

I find the location interesting. He seems to feel his own places are the most secure.


Cboldt, seminal quantum physics? Planck, Bohr, Einstein, Heisenberg followed by Schroedinger, Fermi, Feynman etc. Heisenberg did the Quantum Mechanics part.


Papers are not books -- that is all...


Papers are not books -- that is all...

Right -- in the old days, books were more important. Since the late 19th century, give or take, papers are more important.

mike in houston

does anybody know if this is true
Steven Wasserman, Brother of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, to Oversee Awan Family Investigation



"The most influential Science book of all time"


Rosenstein and Brand Confirmation Hearing Transcript - March 8, 2017

Surely you're joking is a good, easy read. It is not physics. Feynman was a regular guy, disrespected the self-importance most intellectuals take for themselves.


Who knew he was over there in the first place:


Clarice Feldman

He is an asst US Atty in DC but I've seen nothing more than bare allegations that he's overseeing this case. I doubt that he is. It's a big office. Because of the unusual nature of DC, that office handles many cases that elsewhere would be handled by local prosecutors.


Yes, I cited books only. For more modern science, that is not really a good metric.


I don't know the work in detail, so with a grain of salt I see Heisenburg as a measurement uncertainty guy. Schreodinger is quantum physics, all about the probability, "wave equation." Yeah, Schroedinger's work is highly influential in a fundamental way. The death of deterministic physics. God's dice are in play!


cboldt & Miss Marple,

Your points are well taken. I'll hold on to them with hope even though my spidey sense is having an anxiety attack.

Clarice Feldman

Speaking of wild accusations-FWIW: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-29/shock-claim-inside-dnc-seth-rich-leaked-emails-moscow-lawyer-one-month-his-murder

If true, Could he have been someone unmasked?

Clarice Feldman

cboldt--I like it, because it is useful to explain science vs scientism.

Jim Eagle


You are a man after my own tastes.

During the Challenger investigation is when I took notice of Dr. Feynman and since then I have read every one of his books and lectures.

His intellect is beyond description since he was undescribable. A safecracker, magician, night club dandy, artist, playboy, card shark, quantum physicists, unraveller of mystery's, royalty nemesis, practical joker, and above all a hopeless romantic.

We lost the most important scientist of his generation to the ravages of cancer which if he lived I have no doubt would find a way to the cure even though he wasn't into the life sciences.

I also agree about Norbert Weiner and "Cybernetics". Way ahead of its time but influenced today's early pioneers in cyber engineering and computer technology.

James D.

He is an asst US Atty in DC but I've seen nothing more than bare allegations that he's overseeing this case.

Whether he is or not, he should have been fired on January 21st.


From what I gather Trump wants Sessions to
go to Homeland Security. Mr. Immigration hawk.
He then will appoint Rachel Brand as acting director.

Rachel Brand was Trumps pick. Rod Rosenstein was
Sessions pick. Sessions let Trump down twice. More supervision of Mueller under Brand.

That's very good news, lurkersusie.




Current conspiracies are better than older ones.


Barbara - I am a big fan of Sessions, so "discount" my argument accordingly. Meaning not that I think it's a bad argument, just that you should use your own judgment.

I've watched him and many other senators for years, and am liberal with criticism - nobody gets a pass. I can't think of a single time I thought Sessions was being misleading in the slightest. I might disagree with his point of view (not usually) but I never doubted his integrity, nor his mettle.

In January, he told Durbin that he didn't think he'd have to recuse from Trump campaign cases, because he never expressed a position on that, so wouldn't be seen as biased. But he allowed he would follow the regulations. The regulations (28 CFR 45.2) say prosecuting a friend or close political ally involves a conflict. Sessions followed the regulation, unlike certain other AG's.

I won't say he's the best fit for AG, but honestly, I can't think of a better one.

Meanwhile, Trump has a formidable army to use in battle against Mueller. Adding Sessions to that army would, I think, carry more baggage than ammunition.

Miss Marple the Deplorable



I wanted to see how concerned we should. E with noerh Korea , would say considerably if this is a comparative point:


I do wonder, push come to shove, just how isolated NK really is. Could be a surrogate of Russia, China, Iran, or any combination. Let the fat nutcase do the dirty work.


So glad Trump is going after congress with the subsidies. It's not only them, all their staffers too. Let them start shelling out $4k a month for premiums until they write something their equally worthless bosses will sign. Good times. The Insurers will run for the hills too. Trump grenade drop. Love it.


Its an i triguing question, tube is its anfthe Chinese provided material and personnel to the for forty years

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Heading to bed.


(Will return if I have an insomnia event, which seems to happen more since I am older.)


Thank you, cboldt. I trust your observations.

Then 'Senator' Sessions brought a great deal of stature to the Trump campaign. He deserves credit for that.

I hope all of this works out for the best. The Democrats will be relentless, and the Republicans have shown no inclination to step into the breach.


That was Russia in the garble:


This is ski. To the narrative half erstam had out the china hand and vietnam

Jim Eagle

Off to dreamland and lately they've been doozies.

Slaap lekker, tot morgen.


Totally agree the GOP is leaving Trump adrift. Shameful. Not unexpected. Trump is an outsider, he threatens the gravy train and the established order. People resist change. Powerful people resist it in powerful ways, including mass propaganda and other assorted misdirection.

A few in Congress, a few days ago, called for Special Counsel against Clinton, etc. That is helpful. Grassley has been a little bit of help for Trump (he finds the accusations against Trump campaign to be without merit, and harmful to the country), for what that is worth.

The others will come along if they find it to be in their best self interest. Not before.

Clarice Feldman


The party of corruption.


Thank you for your posts that explained what exactly is happening.I gained a lot of new knowledge about this entire illegal operation.
Keep posting your valuable insights.
It is hard to follow because Dems muddy the waters on purpose to throw off
people trying to discern the truth.
Lewinsky is a good comparison.
The false flags and outright lies promulgated until we saw the dress were horrific.
Linda Tripp saved the day as well and was crucified by the media for exposing Bill Clinton.


at the end of the zerohedge Clarice linked above is an extraordinary video clip featuring julian assange. it's extraordinary because in all other media i've seen him, assange is extremely careful and self-disciplined in his statements. In this one he appears to make a blunder by naming seth rich as the wikileaks' source for the DNC emails.



(i know most have seen this but inlcude it for those who haven't)


I hadn't seen it, exdem. Pretty compelling.


..and before i shut up for today, here's a link to another highly relevant piece of info also mentioned in that zh post that suggests forensics show the DNC leak must have been local (e.g. to a thumb drive) rather than remote:



That line about the different between. Lever and stupid



That has been going around exdem, though maybe not from this link.

I've listened to a lot of dark music today, so I'll leave you with something a bit more upbeat:


Gilels, Beethoven, Les Adieux. Wonderful tonic and dominant interplay.


Last weekend, Jake Tapper, in exchange with Scaramucci, said that he (Tapper) never said the January ODNI "Russians hacked the DNC" report was 100% true.

So, how exactly is Tapper's position on that finding (maybe the report is wrong) different from Trump's?

Thomas Collins

Most important science work for me, daddy, is a recent one, a Kurt Godel paper last century titled, "On Formally Undecidable Propositions of Principia Mathematica and Related Systems I". Although pigeonholed in the mathematical logic box, the work crushes any pretension that the modern scientific method will come close to producing an internally consistent theory of everything. Not that there is anything wrong with that, as Seinfeld might say. The Enlightenment never should have been reasonably expected to do that.


Kurt Godel paper

Bzzzzt! According to mockmook you are not playing the right game. Please try again!

the modern scientific method will [not] come close to producing an internally consistent theory of everything.

This does not bother me in the slightest. All that I ask is that theory work in my very small part of the world. That is not clear!


Exdem, UNpossible. You see this RUSSIAN HACKING is VERY VERY important, and our FBI, ET AL would certainly be all over the DNC hacking thing.


Not of the same caliber as Godel, Mandlebrot (or whoever he stole it from) on fractals is pretty cool.

Shannon on information theory is good too. I enjoyed "Grammatical Man" by Jeremy Campbell.

Captain Hate

Linda Tripp saved the day as well and was crucified by the media for exposing Bill Clinton.

Not only that, she had data from her personnel file leaked. Did anybody go to jail for that? No. Was anybody fired for that? Don't think so.

Only one side plays this for keeps and it's not the one that's supposed to be on our side. Like jimmyk, I've given up thinking that justice will prevail.


At the bottom you find the Borg cube:
http://www world.mathigon.org/Fractals

Thomas Collins

Whoops! Thanks for supplying the not I inadvertently left out, DrJ. As to who is bothered, my experience is that folks whose work is in the experimental sciences tend not to be bothered by it. I believe Hawking, after seeming to ignore Godel for awhile, has now acknowledged the importance of Godel's work.

Clarice Feldman

More on the Awan Bros.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKzzyOsvajc&app=desktop



What you posted was fine, but the excerpt I posted needed the [not]. Otherwise it would not have been true to your intention.


I've got an order in for a fractal klein bottle ...

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

You guys are comical.

Incontrovertibly the answer is 4.
This is your brain on Fibonacci;

Any questions?

Captain Hate

That is some Major League ass covering of DWS by the New York Times

Have you ever seen the size of her caboose?

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