Most Exclusive University Frowns On Exclusivity

The social justice wars rage on at Harvard. Today we learn that Harvard is too exclusive for its own students and faculty, or something:

Harvard Panel Suggests Ending a Tradition: Exclusive Clubs

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. — Harvard University’s social scene may be in for a dramatic change.

A committee of faculty and staff members and students has suggested that numerous exclusive social clubs — including the secretive “final clubs,” fraternities and sororities — be “phased out” over the next five years. If enacted, the recommendation would end a centuries-old tradition of rarefied clubs at a university that have been criticized as deeply exclusionary.

A preliminary recommendation circulated to students and faculty members on Wednesday would bar students from joining “final clubs, fraternities or sororities, or other similar private, exclusionary social organizations.” Since Harvard has not recognized the groups for decades, the committee’s suggestion would, if enacted, try to eliminate the clubs by punishing the students who participate in them.

"If enacted", but these proposals won't be. The pre-rejection scuffling might be entertaining though. As a preview of the fun to come, I do like this:

“Dean Khurana has clearly abdicated any position of principle with respect to freedom of association,” said Aaron Slipper, a senior who is part of the Hasty Pudding Theatricals, which is affiliated with the Hasty Pudding Club and puts on an annual drag show.

“He’s moved the principle under which he can subject membership in organizations to administrative censure from gender exclusivity to exclusivity at all,” Mr. Slipper added. “It’s particularly rich coming from one of the most exclusive universities that exists.”

Harvard may need a new motto: We Do The Excluding So You Don't Have To.

Comments

[common man]

First!

[Threadkiller]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/boom-pro-russia-hacker-site-cyber-berkut-publishes-alleged-links-ukraine-clinton/

The author uses "boom," so maybe this is the big news?

[rse]

I looked at this story this morning.

It is exclusive, but it is also quite squirrelly in who among the 5% of applicants it admits it lets in. Going after these clubs, fraternities, and sororities is saying that we do not want any places where having family money or just being wicked smart can let you gather with like souls.

Period.

All students should define themselves by being among those who got in and ape whatever attitudes and beliefs the profs tell them to advocate for.

[henry]

The Harvard Nags. Has a nice ring to it.

[anonamom]

Do we need a last page link??

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2017/07/most-exclusive-university-frowns-on-exclusivity/comments/page/99/#comments

[Captain Hate]

Does this include black fraternities and sororities?

[Porchlight]

This is big news at Harvard. Coincidentally I was just doing a bit of poking around earlier this morning on the Harvard Crimson site for a work project and saw the report.

[Jane (It's a Coup)]

How about "Stand against the Coup!"

[Porchlight]

Hi common man! Nice to see you.

common man and Extraneus - it's a banner day! TM's productivity (and exclusivity wrt the trolls) is bringing out the old gang.

Thank you TM.

[Ralph L]

Will they be able to be employed by anyone but themselves?
This deserves national ridicule.

[James D.]

If Harvard wants to tear itself up, more power to them. It's always fun to watch lefty-on-lefty warfare.

[common man]

thanks, Porch.

[rse]

By the way, it is a center at harvard that is creating the template for what knowledge to keep and what knowledge to jettison in k-12 education globally.

This is from a conference last fall: "They have been doing the heavy lifting in terms of sifting through the knowledge domains and content that does and doesn't make it onto the majority of national curricula, and asking the important questions about what should stay and what might go. [***] asked us what kind of criteria we would use to make these kinds of decisions. For example, is there a systematic way of identifying and meta-concepts within each discipline that have the most transfer?"

With that kind of power, fraternities, sororities, and clubs are just additional institutions in the way of circumscribing what it means to know and specifying what we are all to believe and value.

They are simply the wrong kind of mediating structures for the 21st century.

Dont you just love fiat power?

[Threadkiller]

I am the Egg-man, they are the Egg-men.
I am the Never-Trumpus, it's a coup coup cachoo

[Captain Hate]

DiFi on CNN: Collusion is dead; we have to investigate obstruction.

[henry]

If there was no collusion, what was obstructed? This is a stupid merry go round.

[David, Internet Deplorable]

Am I the only one who is stunned at President Trump's diplomatic chops? I could hardly believe Miss Ms description of the joint press conference. It seems that wherever President Trump goes abroad, it results in better relations with America, even with countries you wouldn't think it would apply to. I would have expected France to be a tough nut to crack, especially after the unilateral withdrawal from the Paris Accords. But instead, everyone is obviously disappointed about the American attitude to the climate change thing, but everyone seems to be getting down to brass tacks about other areas where our mutual interests closely coincide.

It is telling how badly we Americans have been served by the previous bunch of spoiled children running things during Obozo's era. Here we have real adults with goals that will benefit America executing our foreign policy, and it is so strange that we all stare in astonishment.

Obama and company really were feckless clowns.

David

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

henry,

There has to be a pony in there somewhere!

Here is what I think really happened. The dems were positive Hillary would win. They had pulled every trick (lies, fraudulent voting, out-right cheating, etc.) They were absolutely convinced they would win.

What they didn't count on was the huge swell of support for Trump, especially in the Rust Belt. Therefore, they are convinced some cheating was done on our side, so Russians.

Trump is right, though. From a pragmatic standpoint, Putin would have rather had Hillary to push around. It seems unlikely to me that he would have meddled in the election to get Trump elected, despite his personal distaste for Hillary.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Taking Maggie to the vet.

[Captain Hate]

Am I the only one who is stunned at President Trump's diplomatic chops?

Not me but I'm sure there were a lot of people who saw his media personna as the total picture. What the political class really really hates is how he's showing how a reasonably intelligent businessman can get up to speed on government matters very quickly and be a major improvement over the production line of turd sammiches we've been forced to buy.

[Captain Hate]

persona

[sbwaters]

I Think Trump -- and Sessions -- are waiting for Wray to gather the reins at the FBI. Then there might be a couple of houses -- ah, stables -- cleaned out.

[sbwaters]

After he returned, Odysseus did not immediately clean the villains from his home.

[henry]

CT surging into the lead in the banksuptcy stakes. Moodys just downgraded Hartford to junk.

[common man]

Illinois is going to junk too, just wait. The Democrats may have passed a phoney baloney budget but the rating agencies will not be fooled by smoke and mirrors. No provision in BK law for states either.

[Dave (in MA)]

Speaking of exclusivity and DiFi, how about we investigate how Mr. DiFi got the account handling the billion dollar sell-off of 56 USPS properties during the Zippy regime?

[Momto2]

MM - I hope this is just a regular visit. Is Maggie ok?

I'm doing my little part to share the #itsacoup hashtag. I hope it spreads like wildfire and wakes some people up!

Could not be prouder of our beautiful First Lady! It's a shame most of the country won't see photographs of her or hear of her visit because of #bitter #pathetic #fakemedia.

[James D.]

That would be an excellent topic for the DoJ to delve into.

Mr. Pelosi's government contracts would be, as well.

I imagine that there could be fruitful criminal investigations of the families and business associates of every single Democrat in Congress, if only the will was there to start digging.

[clara]

What happened to the trolls? Delighted to see they are gone.

[glenda]

IF...and it's a very big IF...

Mueller actually..covered his prodigy's lying, leaking, criminally colluding with Obama's crew of coverup artists, abusing - violating 702 access, to politically spy on Trump --(or any American unwillingly to comply) A*S, with IMMUNITY...#thecoup is complete.

Who would accept this in "real world America"? It would signify, to me,
A#Concord..#FtSumter..#PearlHarbor..#political 9-11 attack on the belief in justice-for-all...We hold these rights to be self-evident...that all in America..are equal..NOT just the politically correct approved members of the bureaucracy 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸MAGA

[jimmyk on iPhone]

"Does this include black fraternities and sororities?"

No frats or sororities at Hahvahd. Doubt there's a race-based "finals club."

[jimmyk on iPhone]

Great to see people like ext and common man reappearing.

[rse]

here mom- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4693482/First-Ladies-Brigitte-Macron-Melania-Trump-meet.html

notice the pic where brigitte has the look of someone sucking on a sour lime.

One looks chic and timeless and the other merely fond of expensive attire that is vogue.

[Buckeye]

When the taxpayers in Ahia get stuck with the bill for JohnnyCake's Medicaid nonsense, we can look forward to being just like CT and IL

[Porchlight]

The House Appropriations Committee released the DHS appropriations bill, including 1.6 billion for THE WALL.

https://appropriations.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=394983

So they can do something right. Now get the damn thing passed.

[Porchlight]

clara, I think Clarice convinced our gracious host to wield his pistolas. It's fantastic.

[henry]

there is this senate thing. proudly defending the swamp from all drainers since the 1700s.

[clara]

Well, porch, I am delighted. Thanks clarice!

[Ralph L]

Don't Buy the Coup!

[GUS]

Duchess of Cornhole??? I thought Camilla Parker Bowles Not-so-Bonnie Prince Charlie's wife was titled.

Earl of Douchebag.

[Thomas Collins]

The hell with the wall on the Mexican border. Build it around Hahvud Yard. I welcome all illegals, even those who run for POTUS (sorry, TK :-)). Keeping the Crimsonites out of mainstream society is more important!

OK, how many JOMers with Crimson blood or kids there have I offended? :-)

[daddy]

I'm at the Newark Airport First Class United Lounge and the entire terminal is clobbered with nothing but CNN TV Screens. I say we start the revolution by doing a Class Action Lawsuit against CNN and whoever else to bust up their monopoly. I need a safe space from CNN.

[GUS]

Daddy, I was just explaining the LIBTARD FAKE NEWS meme to Gus Jr. I told him the very media that never questioned the VIDEO LIE about BENGHAZI, are AGHAST at the mere thought that they are FAKE MEDIA. Rodham and the FULL COMMIE SWAMP believe that FAKE MEDIA is ANY MEDIA that doesn't shill their LYING PROPAGANDA. I toll wee Gus that I could turn CNN on this very minute and find bias in the first story the CLOWN NEWS NETWORK ran.

[daddy]

My Co-Pilot here in the lounge just showed me a breaking story that CNN reporter Poppy Harlow mistook the Star Spangled Banner for the French National Anthem. Geezus

[Porchlight]

CNN just can't stop losing.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Back from the vet.

Momto2, thanks for asking. I took Maggie 3 weeks ago because the over-the-counter flea medicine wasn't working and she was driving herself crazy with scratching (me, too).

She had fleas, an allergy to the flea bites, and a skin infection. He also noticed she was a bit arthritic so he gave me some donated anti-inflammatory from an owner who had had to have their dog put to sleep. It's an excellent medication (Cardoprom, or something like that) but you have to have blood work done because in some dogs it damages the liver.

Today she got a check-up and blood test. Fleas are gone due to using an oral medication, and her allergy and infection is gone as well. Next week after I cash in the rest of my IRA I will go back and get another month's worth of flea meds and some more allergy medicine. I still have a month of the free antinflammatory left.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Here is the video of the press conference. You guys will be impressed and how he handled what could have been a very embarrassing question at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlHZuZizu1M

[Threadkiller]

Verizon confirmed on Wednesday the personal data of 6 million customers has leaked online. The security issue, uncovered by research from cybersecurity firm UpGuard, was caused by a misconfigured security setting on a cloud server due to "human error."

http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/12/technology/verizon-data-leaked-online/index.html

#LowLevelButtonPushers

[daddy]

Via the ADN:

Sen. Dan Sullivan was one of 10 Republican senators who petitioned Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., to cancel August recess — the monthlong work period that members of Congress spend back in their home states, holding town halls and appearing at county fairs.

Sen. Lisa Murkowski, also a Republican, was irritated at the change of plans, and said after the announcement Tuesday she thought the Senate would be better served by members who worked at least a full five days a week throughout July.

Figures.

[centralcal]

Daddy: CNN reporter Jeff Zeleny topped Harlow.

He said that tomorrow Macron and Trump would recognize Bastile Day which is the 100 year anniversary of USA joining France in WWI.

I kid you not!

[Old Lurker]

Darn. I tried to move a post from the end of the previous thread to here but for some reason it did not take. Or it will show up twice later. It was a good eeyore.

[centralcal]

Jeff Zeleny explains "Bastile Day"

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/mike-ciandella/2017/07/13/fake-history-cnns-zeleny-says-bastille-day-wwi-anniversary

[daddy]

Great to see you, CentralCal.

The stupidity is stunning.

I was stuck in the Lounge Bar in front of a CNN tube but at least I was watching Gorka being interviewed by Jake Tapper. Thankfully the sound was sufficiently muted I didn't have to hear it but Gorka is a pleasure to watch in that just from his expressions and laughter and body language you can tell he has zero respect for Tapper and was engaged in significant pushback of whatever meme Tapper was peddling today. OK, Boarding time. see you in Jolly Olde...

[Extraneus]

Trump says Democrats are overplaying ‘Russia card’ and face backlash from voters

“I think what’s happening is, as usual, the Democrats have played their card too hard on the Russia thing, because people aren’t believing it,” Mr. Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One on his trip to France. “It’s a witch hunt and they understand that.”

[Dave (in MA)]

LMAO Spicier,
http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2017/07/13/your-mom-sean-spicer-parody-pokes-obama-horde-causes-hairy-legged-cat-ladies-to-lose-it/?utm_campaign=twitchywidget

I momentarily thought one of the tweeters was a JOMer before I realized the name was off by a few letters.

[Jim Eagle]

Well, I am going up to Hahvad tomorrow and will gladly tour the Square and all of Cambridge and bring a summer report. Frederick and I are doing a tour of Hahvad on Saturday as well as MIT. If the application allows, we will just check off the "Endangered Species" box and note he is a white male born in the USA and is straight, loves football and lacrosse but is a terrific rower and wants to save the world.

If that doesn't get him in with a 1600 SAT, then nothing will:)

[Jim Eagle]

Dave,

Its amazing how many of those idiots think Sean Spicier is Sean Spicer. Amazing.

[JohH]

TomC,
I applied to Harvard, fall of 1975. 4.0, athletics, and community service on my resume. I am sure it was my essay that did me in. "Choose a current topic you feel strongly about". I chose reverse discrimination (Bakke was in the news and Boston was hiring minority teachers that scored poorly). I concluded that hiring from a pool of less qualified teachers resulted in lower outcomes for all students.

It was probably read by an affirmative action admission officer. Mox nix.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/07/13/very-extensive-discussion-an-hour-with-president-trump-aboard-air-force-one/#more-135726

Traveling reporters got an hour with an off-the-record discussion with President Trump. The White house decided later to release a transcript. This link has the transcript.

[DrJ]

OL,

The more I see the nonsense about the healthcare reform efforts, the more I am in favor of a total Obamacare repeal. Done.

Then introduce focused bills to help the poor, kids, preexisting conditions or whatever group is necessary, and let them Dems filibuster the new legislation. Make them defend why they don't want to help the poor and the sick.

[clara]

Again, this blog is a joy to read! What a difference it makes not having those awful trolls on here.

[henry]

Clara, dive in! The more the merrier in these discussions.

[Jim Eagle]

JohnH,

Today, you are better off. Where did you end up?

I am only doing this for his high school inspiration. He knows nothing yet about how Havyad and others accept. I want him to know its all about doing your best and letting the rest come to you.

[Threadkiller]

Nothing but good trolls now, clara.

:-)

[daddy on IPhone]

DrJ, that was what Ex senator Jim Demint(sp) was advocating from day 1.

I am 100% onboard with that. And if Mueller has given Comey immunity then I think exactly what all the rest of us think but none of us are allowed to say.

[DrJ]

OL,

I know that many supported that position. I was hesitant, and wanted to see what the House and Senate would do. I shouldn't be surprised, but I sure am disappointed.

[henry]

I applied to one school in the fall of 76, early action, was accepted. The Harvard, Dartmouth, and Princeton soccer coaches all called and said their admin offices agreed to waive the paperwork if I chose to play soccer in their respective uniforms. I honestly believe no one read my essay. I chose Yale based on better exclusive clubs than the others. (Kidding on the last point).

[Tom R]

Mueller hired the FBI agent who led the Hillary email investigation.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/13/politics/peter-strzok-special-counsel-russia-fbi/index.html

If you combine this with the rumor that Mueller gave Comey immunity, it sounds like Mueller may be investigating events that went on during the Obama administration.

[Jim Eagle]

OL,

I have decided that The Ledge is just not sexy enough so I have opted for Franco's Bar in Positano on the Amalfi Coast.

Hope you understand:)

http://francosbar.com/en

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Tomo R.,

That's what I am wondering. Also, someone pointed out on Twitter and maybe here that Obama seems to be spending a lot of his time in luxury yachts in international waters. Hmmmm....

[daddy on IPhone]

I want Comey publicly hung, period. No more immunity. Hang the bastard.

[Jim Eagle]

Oh, BTW.

The US Women's Golf Open is being held at Trump National Bedminster, NJ this weekend. That is why he chose to go to Europe.

If you google and read the news accounts, the comments are hilarious and shows not the contempt people have but the hypocrisy they engender without embarrassment.

Dem/Prog thinking is a mental disease.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

daddy,

For someone who spent so much time portraying himself as the only virtuous government servant, immunity and its assumption of guilt will be around his neck for the rest of his days.

ALso, IF he has been given immunity, he will be removed by the Clinton hit squad. Think of how much money that will save us!

[Jane (Stand against the Coup)]

Comey getting immunity does not for one second make me think Mueller is after anyone but trump. Please prove me wrong!

[anonamom]

I happen to know certain offspring who are considering suing Harvard over the devaluation to their degrees from this kind of insanity.

Like, one has a professional degree and the school emblem on said diploma has now been changed, as it was racist, or some kind of PC BS.
So where does that leave him, holder of "racist" degree???

Clarice, jane--what say you?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Jane,

As I see it, the problem is the numerous underlings who are undermining Trump. Comey is gone; fired and I don't see a lot of people rushing to his defense.

If Comey can provide a list of these people to target for removal, that would be a big help. If he has information on McCain, that would be very good.

It's possible Comey was controlled by threats from Obama or Hillary. That is something we have yet to find out.

Also, this rumor of immunity may be a test to see who acts suspiciously.

[Beasts of England]

Tell the truth, henry - you knew that Harvard didn't have DKE, and even as a senior in high school you were thinking about that goat... ;)

[anonamom]

There are frats and sororities at Harvard, as at Princeton--they just are not formally recognized by the university.

[anonamom]

I happen to know certain offspring who have considered--with classmates--suing the university over the devaluation of their degrees from said university by this PC crap.

Specifically, professional degrees with an emblem on it that the University has declared racist. Where does that leave its alums, bearing diplomas with "racist" symbols???

Clarice, jane, tc--what say you???

[Jim Eagle]

anonamom,

The sports guys and even girls at Hahad are in the same niche. They take no prisoners and just keep on trucking. We met a Crew member last time there and he laughed at all the PC crap.

[Jim Eagle]

...Havhad...

[henry]

Beasts, you wish you were associated with wooly goats to this day. ;)

[Frau Putschisten 'raus]

Crush the coup, Jane.
As is demonstrated daily, mass hysteria is crippling the country.

[boris]

Un-Coup the Force of the Free

[GUS]

I keep hearing DEMOTARDS tell us about RUSSIA "interfering" with THE ELECTION.

I have yet to hear ONE INSTANCE in which THE ELECTION was interfered with. If the ELECTION HAD BEEN interfered with, then I suppose Obama, Comey and Lynch would need to EXPLAIN THEMSELVES. But on it goes, the RUNTS of the REPUBLISCUM PARTY seem to want a piece of this ACTION. So...dear JOM friends, can any of you EXPLAIN this SO CALLED "INTERFERENCE" with regard to OUR ELECTION. Then after doing so, can you explain how a NY BUSINESS MAN should be the person being BLAMED for it??
Lastly, I heard a DEMOTARD CONGRESS REPTILE mention Jeff Sessions rescusal as evidence of wrong doing. No Problem, the REPUBLICANS will continue to allow the country to devolve into chaos, because they have NO BALLS to fight back.

[JimNorCal]

"If you combine this with the rumor that Mueller gave Comey immunity"

It might just mean M gave C immunity for nothing in return. Didn't Comey do that for several Hillary staffers?

[rse]

jib-we spent 3 nights in positano during our month in italy with the kids in the fall of 2002. Went down to paestum to see the ruins. my son tried to teach the parrot where we stayed to say "dude get a dell". The goats scampered around on the cliffs and that odd wind came in the last day. When we left there was a hole in the rock wall on the side of the road so someone had taken a plunge.

My vodka a la penne recipe is from that restaurant. It is in the Gourmet mag cookbook and I remember walking by. With a 5, 7, and almost 10 we kept going to something family friendly.

The uncle I grew up with, who was my dad' half brother went to mit. I was in high school and asked him why he was going to summer school. He said that was when mit taught a 5th semester of calculus he wanted to take. Also something about disproving one of einstein's theories.

Oh my. later went on to work at jpl where he was the first person to ever mention El nino and oceans cooling or something. It was a good fit for his interests that no one else in the family could quite grasp.

[Captain Hate]

Tucker crushed this douche while dealing with a diseased appendix:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/07/13/fireworks_tucker_carlson_vs_max_boot_on_russia_you_dismiss_anyone_who_doesnt_share_your_view_as_a_nazi.html

[Neo]

No to be missed:

A federal appeals court on Thursday overturned the 2015 corruption conviction of Sheldon Silver, the once-powerful New York State Assembly speaker who obtained nearly $4 million in illicit payments in return for taking official actions that benefited others, according to evidence presented at his trial.

In vacating Mr. Silver’s conviction, the appellate court cited a United States Supreme Court ruling last year involving Bob McDonnell, a former Republican governor of Virginia, that narrowed the definition of the kind of official conduct that can serve as the basis of a corruption prosecution.

[Beasts of England]

Once you go wooly goat... :)

[Extraneus]

Didn't Comey do that for several Hillary staffers?

Yes. The ones most directly involved in the email bleaching.

[cathyf]

clara, I think Clarice convinced our gracious host to wield his pistolas. It's fantastic.

I'm afraid that what really is happening is that TM is on vacation, and so has the leisure to read the comments and write new posts, and clean up the troll posts as they come in. And then at some point (Monday?) he's going to have to go back to his paying job, and we will be overrun by trolls again...

*sigh*

[DrJ]

cathyf,

Clarice did contact TM about the troll problem, and he did then clean up the place. It all went on behind the scenes, and that's all that I will say.

[Jane (Stand against the Coup)]

Anonamom,

From a legal perspective I have no idea. It's MAssahusetts which could be bad or good. (Imagine a jury agreeing with that BS)

MM youmay be right, but from my perspective Comey has committed a lot of crimes, and I suspect he is more on the side of Hillary than Trump. I hope I'm wrong.

"Crush the coup, Jane."

I like it Frau! Are you ready to march again?

[Extraneus]

"I'm glad I spent what time I had trolling those goddamn JOMers."

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/boom-pro-russia-hacker-site-cyber-berkut-publishes-alleged-links-ukraine-clinton/

[DrJ]

Ext,

One plugin that helps is killfile. Look into it, if you are not familiar with it.

[daddy in Seat A8]

FWIF, still at the gate in Newark. Boarded an hour ago but haven't moved an inch. No problem since we get paid no matter what happens to us, wherever we wind up, but man does this convince me how lucky I was to get out of the passenger hauling racket. Thankfully they are plying us with wine. The Captain said it was due to ATC flow control clobbered for slots over the pond. I have to admit it is nice to fly at midnight and have the skies pretty much all to ourselves. No Dom Perignon of course, but the red is drinkable😉

[Buckeye]

Sit there long enough daddy and MadDog will be drinkable :)

[Jim Eagle]

rse,

Franco's and Positano is where I go to rinse out the brain. Have to see how the new knee does now. When I did my guest lecture at MIT it was near winter and it was graduate program anyway. We had lot of fun there since I was single at the time and the grad students inundated me with their CV's over wine and beer at the outlier bars around campus