Back In Berkeley

The antifa show up in Berkeley to beat up... well, whoever they want, with a focus this weekend on police officers since there were few right-wing protestors of any type. The initial draw had been a "Say No To Marxism" rally which had been cancelled due to fears of violence. Anti-Marxist equals fascist? Hey, punch 'em anyway, they might be a Nazi!

Nick Gillespie of Reason has more.

Comments

[RattlerGator]

Yo !!!

[lyle]

Yo quiero...

[henry]

Antefa beats up the MSM hordes. I was watching Houston activities so did not dent my popcorn supply. Where does this show go next?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Since it's apropos I'll bring this tail-end-Charlie over from the last thread;

--Seems to me the anarchists are leftists.--

The antefa, so called anti-fascists, tend to the anarcho-syndicalism end of things which is a form of socialism in which labor unions and the people involved in a certain area of the economy own the means of production; sort of a distributed dictatorship of the proletariat.
The interesting thing is syndicalism was hugely influential on and in some ways gave birth to, yep, you guessed it...fascism.

[fdcol63]

I still miss El Chihuahua! LOL

[Thomas Collins]

If Antifa is ever perceived as potentially threatening the gravy train of America's oligarchs, the oligarchs will be demanding a crackdown by Trump that will dwarf anything Sheriff Joe brought down on the illegals. Until then, oligarchs will be fine with Antifa attacking police officers and anyone else who is not in the Silicon Valley/academia/Hollywood/coastal pseudo elite Axis of Moronocracy.

[fdcol63]

--Seems to me the anarchists are leftists.--

Or, at least, tools of Leftists to incite violence, create chaos and anarchy, such that people become desperate enough for peace and security that they willingly give up their civil liberties and freedoms to authoritarian despots (Leftists) who promise to restore order and the rule of law.

[Captain Hate]

Has anyone mentioned that a lot of people may choose to not evacuate Houston because they fear their place might be looted and/or they can better take care of their property by being on hand? I realize it might not be a smart decision but I can't fault anybody who wants to take care of what they've spent their life accumulating as long as they don't whine when their decision goes sideways.

[cboldt]

Trump’s business sought deal on a Trump Tower in Moscow while he ran for president

Phew, WaPo returns to totally misleading. I was concerned when they headlined that right-wing protesters were peaceful.

[RattlerGator]

Since I'm in quite the non-productive mood, how about some old things from a few days ago? First up, and tangentially related to Back in Berkeley, I want to spar with our host a bit.

* * *

"Bannonism"

Posted by Tom Maguire| on August 25, 2017 at 6:48 p.m.

I want to make a comment about that Economist article on Bannon; this is a bizarre take -- isn't it?

When some of Mr Bannon’s early schemes failed—including the shabbily planned travel ban, now snarled up in the courts—Mr Trump turned increasingly to his more conventional advisers, including Mr Kushner and Mr McMaster. On trade and security in particular, they have edged him towards the mainstream. Whereas Mr Bannon urged the president to withdraw from NAFTA and Afghanistan, for example, he has launched a modest-looking review of the former and will send more troops to the latter. Increasingly isolated, Mr Bannon’s departure from the White House was predicted.

Bizarre, but telling. It doesn't countenance *any* ability to see these actions taken by the administration in anything but the narrowest light.

Years from now, that travel ban will likely be seen as pure genius for how expertly it made elements of the opposition -- outside the party and within -- unmask themselves. As with so much of this still-early Presidency, if viewed through the lens of an incredible unmasking, it is already *the* most consequential Presidency of my life.

* * *

And, my goodness TM, you truly throw me with this kind of close:

The intellectual gap between Bernie Sanders and Steve Bannon seems narrow, although I'm sure Sanders was forced to conform to Democratic Party norms on unlimited immigration and climate change.

Ummmmm . . . substitute angst for "intellectual" *and* happy for "forced" and I think you would've then been cooking with gas.

Amirite, gang ???

[henry]

RG, that is a good way to read it, especially on Sanders. Time will tell on Bannon.

[narciso]

commissar brown, Shirley they can't be serious, but that is increasingly true of Bagehot's blunder,

[narciso]

so the panel that resigned, is essentially the commission on silly walks, henry,

[fdcol63]

Group Gropers, still waiting on the Reichstag to burn, eh? LOL

[henry]

narciso, from the description of their main tasks, the skills required are boring, norrmal, commonplace skills.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

RG,

I am always amazed that people see Trump as unable to make decisions on his own and buffeted by forces outside of his control.

Bannon was there fro a particular purpose. He was a sounding board for the President during the early days of the administration, while also learning exactly the roadblocks the President was up against in implementing his agenda.

Now that he knows, Bannon is free to say what he wants and to poke and prod people like Ryan and McConnell, something he couldn't do from inside the White House.

I keep saying that people should read his books, enough that I sound like a broken record. But they should.

[cboldt]

8 of 28 NIAC panelists resigned. All of them Obama holdovers. The panel continued and continues its work, for whatever that is worth. Like any governing body, it aims to increase its power. Right now, elections are state-conducted and managed activities. The panel wants the Feds to take some control of that, and is using "critical infrastructure" as the hook. Who knew that ballots and pens were infrastructure?

[hrtshpdbox]

..I can't fault anybody who wants to take care of what they've spent their life accumulating..

CH, I'd never evacuate if I couldn't bring every one of my records. Seems, also, that I remember people staying in New Orleans during Katrina because their dogs didn't like travelling.

[mike in houston]

Otis took his bag of dog food off the porch and evacuated himself...

http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/65/11/26/13931930/6/920x920.jpg

[RattlerGator]

Another oldie . . . moving on from TM, I have to send our lovely Jane a big, fat love tap from the Florida Panhandle to way over yonder London, England:

Arpaio should not have been pardoned IMO, as the case would have been thrown out on Appeal, which is a much better message.

Posted by: Jane | August 26, 2017 at 08:47 AM

Ummmm . . . Jane, must you view this so narrowly ??? Personally, this is perhaps the single-most exasperating thing about lawyers, especially the lawyers who have governed conservative thought over my nearly 15 years embracing the GOP and conservatism: an absolutely slavish regard for the process of law, even when it has been shown to be categorically gamed by the leftwing.

Iggy is absolutely correct. The perfect time to kneecap a political prosecution is the earliest possible moment. Especially when taking said action serves a dual purpose. Here, said action is a very clear signal to Mueller; masturbate for a period longer, my friend, but don't think for a single, solitary second I'm bowing down to how the game is played in D.C. Nope, not when you desire come hell or high water to continue this chase or issue some overly broad or specious report. No, no, no. Those freaking days are over.

Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And as Kurt Schlichter reminded us just today, "Hell, undoing injustices is what the pardon power is for." Yep, yep!

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/08/28/conservatism-is-not-a-suicide-pact-n2373543

I always thought it was conservative to punish wrongdoers. The other side abandoned the Rule of Law, so I would think that they might – maybe – learn a lesson by experiencing the consequences of their bad choice. But apparently punishing wrongdoers is now off the table because some other principle, of which I was unaware during nearly four decades inside conservatism, requires we never ever retaliate.

Game.Set.Match.

[narciso]

yes, but they serve any useful function, on their watch every institution of note, federal corporate non pfofit was hacked.

[Rocco]

Oops, a member of antifa punched a member of BLM who is also a member of the crips gang. Enforce the anti-masking laws! And if local towns, cities and states don't enforce them, make it a campaign issue to keep our citizens and property safe.

From reddit, she may have the answer to stop antifa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dduc8AoIuG0&feature=youtu.be

[hrtshpdbox]

I wish it were possible to enact legislation with a simple majority in the senate, considering that there is apparently no Dem senator who will ever vote for anything Trump supports. But the downside there lies in a future scenario where Dems have 51 votes and can shout "We're all Socialists now" and disband congress. Of course, there's not that much advantage in having 51 or more seats when a good number of those seats are held by poseurs (see current GOP senate).

[Extraneus]

Mayor Quits Job After Facing Outrage For BLM Encourages Cop Killing Facebook Post

A California mayor quit his job Sunday after people grew outraged over a Facebook post he wrote blaming Black Lives Matter for various police officer killings.

Piedmont Mayor Jeff Wieler apologized for his Facebook posts, which were unearthed by a resident who read them out loud during a city council meeting last week, reports SF Gate.

“I’m not sure people understand that I want to put this embarrassing and painful episode behind me, and regain some respect. I apologize deeply for the pain I’ve caused. I’ve learned a great deal from this, and experience can be a painful teacher. Going forward, I will restrict my Facebook posts to pictures of our pets and vacation pictures. Fortunately, I’ve never tweeted!” Wieler wrote in another Facebook post.

[Thomas Collins]

Re the fuss about Trump Tower Moscow: It's a sign that the coordination with the Russkies meme is becoming more flaccid that a whiskey di . . . er . . . member in the absence of Viagra. The new meme will be Trump business corruption with Vlad.

[Old Lurker]

Only for those who like "same old same old", Porch and I are having the same old argument at the end of the previous thread. Of course she is wrong.

:-)

[Porchlight]

OL, I just added one inch of water to the gin bottle. :)

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08/potus-trump-first-lady-announce-texas-trip-following-hurricane-harvey/

[Old Lurker]

I will try to pour slowly off the top then Porch.

Except for the tree, you guys OK?

[Threadkiller]

Has anyone mentioned that a lot of people may choose to not evacuate Houston because they fear their place might be looted and/or they can better take care of their property by being on hand?

I was watching a live feed from a Houston station yesterday where "man on the street" was in a boat on the water on the street. The boat was going house to house in a flooded neighborhood asking people if they were ready to leave. They happened upon a 60-70 year old guy who was standing waist deep in front of his house holding what appeared to be a rum and coke.

"Do you want to leave?"

"Nope."

"This will surely get worse, why would you want to stay?"

"I don't want to stay. But if I leave the so-called 'authorities' won't let me back to start cleaning up at the earliest possible moment. I need to clean my house and property as soon as I can, not sit in a shelter for weeks."

Both the reporter and the anchor couldn't disagree.

[Captain Hate]

CH, I'd never evacuate if I couldn't bring every one of my records.

I get that.

Seems, also, that I remember people staying in New Orleans during Katrina because their dogs didn't like traveling.

That, too, as long as they don't whine when they're forced by rising water to reconsider.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Back to Bannon, because I want to point out a few things:

Bannon is very smart and made his money while working for Goldman Sachs and having the smarts to buy up the rights to the Seinfeld re-runs.

He served in the Navy as an officer. He produced films.

He comes from a working class background, which is probably the most important thing to know about him. He has fumed for years at how people like his dad (a telephone lineman) were looked down on by the "elite."

In this, he is in perfect alignment with Trump, who has always had more appreciation from the construction guys than the bankers.

One thing I know about Trump is that he ALWAYS hits back. He may bide his time for a while, but this is how he has always done business.

I expect to see a full-court press against Ryan pretty soon. Ryan was given the chance to bury the hatchet and get on board. Instead, he has done nothing but drag his feet and, once again, revealed himself as the smug, sanctimonious prig that he is.

I look forward to it.

[Captain Hate]

Out of curiosity, box, what genre composition is your music collection?

[Threadkiller]

The Judge in charge of the Houstonites was on NBC's morning show. He defended the decisions to not call for massive evacuations quite well. I hope he doesn't get to be the political martyr of choice.

He was inside of what appeared to be a casino but was actually their emergency response room at some agency called Transtar.

Who approved all the lighted engraved glass decorations above each mahogany desk?

Good grief.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

TK,

One of the things I most appreciate about the internet is that people like you spot these little details that might not register with me at first.

Good grief, indeed!

[narciso]

seems it's the local transport authority, Haskell is really getting on my nerves,

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Speaking of unnoticed details:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/08/27/nothing-of-particular-consequence-yet/#comments

[narciso]

Gorka and Bannon, had the more integral view of Islamism, I was looking for analogues from a different era, I suppose dr. pipes, and general rowny, in the early Reagan administration, the rest are decidedly status quo on the subject,

[Jim Eagle]

henry,

Moore's Law - out

Reversible computing - in

http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/the-future-of-computing-depends-on-making-it-reversible?utm_source=MIT+Technology+Review&utm_campaign=d92c00cb67-The_Download&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_997ed6f472-d92c00cb67-156267881

[henry]

explosion in Houston

[mike in houston]

TK

Ed Emmett is the Harris Co. judge. He is the executive head of Harris County. He is a Republican. Transtar is the area transportation agency
http://www.houstontranstar.org/

"TranStar leverages the resources of multiple agencies to provide transportation and emergency management services to the Greater Houston Region."

[hrtshpdbox]

Out of curiosity, box, what genre composition is your music collection?

I'd guess something like 40% R&B 1952-1975, everything from doo wop to sweet soul to funk; 40% rock, the gamut from Chuck Berry to garage to "classic" rock; 10% blues, 10% early punk. And it's almost all 45's, which are my thing. I have half-way decent collections of a few artists, like blues harmonica player Little Walter. I sell stuff off, too - I love finding obscurities on the cheap that I'm not particularly crazy about but can sell to help pay for the habit. How about you?

[Porchlight]

Except for the tree, you guys OK?

Yes, thank you, OL! I'm back at work. Kids had a two-hour delay this morning, but all is well.

glenda, just catching up - what a scare for your family. Keep us posted. And best wishes to you too, Momto2. :)

[cboldt]

Houston Transtar, some good photos of the inside. The "engraved glass lighting" looks to be the room lighting.

[Threadkiller]

TranStar leverages...

Sounds more and more like a mob operation.
;-)

Thanks for the info, Mike.

[Porchlight]

That, too, as long as they don't whine when they're forced by rising water to reconsider.

The problem is that non-evacuees often have to be rescued regardless of how or why they decided to stay. And resources are obviously limited.

[DebinGA]

May God direct and protect first responders ...

[Clarice Feldman]

https://spectator.org/american-business-sides-with-the-fascists/

[Threadkiller]

The "engraved glass lighting" looks to be the room lighting.

The war on regular light bulbs continues.

[narciso]

words fail:

https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/902040348054044672

[henry]

JiB, that is an interesting article on hardware. Not sure what it means from the other side of the OS, if anything.

[narciso]

I don't understand exactly how that works, henry.

[Janet the expert 🚬]

Yo Quiero - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=184215091589447&set=a.154323324578624.27082.100000028723993&type=3&theater

[narciso]

some valuable insights

http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/2017/08/26/war-famine-plague-sedition/

[henry]

narciso, new improved transistors from what I can tell.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Old Lurker, I particularly want you to read this thread. Please.

https://twitter.com/ThomasWictor/status/901918883770114048

[cboldt]

Heh - reversible computing goes like "Garbage out, garbage in"

[Old Lurker]

Clarice, your link at 12:03 about business siding with the fascists is a result of the transition over these last decades from companies being "owned" by shareholders who hired Execs and Boards to represent the owners' interests over the long term....to today's situation where that link is much weaker and the Execs and Boards have their own vested interests and the shareholders' less. It is not unlike the political arena in which the Swamp Critters are their own force of nature and the voters just a supporting casts.

So once we get here, then of course the people who run companies are not much different from the people who run swamps.

I would love to see a Shareholder's Revolt in parallel with a People's Revolt.

[henry]

OL, you referring to all those "stakeholders" that modern mba's get told they need to represent?

[narciso]

I know it's like shooting fish in a barrel:

https://twitter.com/omriceren/status/902199598399270913

[Old Lurker]

Yep, Henry. Sure am.

MM...I HATE reading twitter whatevertheyarecalled.

:-)

[Janet the expert 🚬]

if I leave the so-called 'authorities' won't let me back to start cleaning up at the earliest possible moment. I need to clean my house and property as soon as I can, not sit in a shelter for weeks."

That's what I would figure too.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Old Lurker,

OK, I will format it so that you can read it. I am not going to let you refuse to be encouraged!!

[Old Lurker]

Oh MM...I CAN read it...just don't like change!

:-)

[DrJ]

today's situation where that link is much weaker and the Execs and Boards have their own vested interests and the shareholders' less

Wretchard write fairly often on the problem of subsidiarity. He agrees with you, BTW.

"stakeholders"

IMO this is bafflegab that is without meaning. So of course the press and the MBAs love to use it.

[henry]

DrJ, "stakeholders" comes from the same people (MIT etc) that do the Ed stuff rse tracks. It's funny, they pushed the "stakeholders" and the need for anonymous "criticism" of management starting in the late 80s (that I noticed). Looks like the "community" out wearing "masks" to "protest" the "Nazis." aka Antefa beating up innocent white people as opportunities arise. It is all of one piece (Skinner, Schoen, Argyris, etc).

[hrtshpdbox]

Actually on-topic to the thread, it's apparent Russia or someone must have hacked the Washington Post, otherwise you're never supposed to see a headline there like this:

Black-clad antifa members attack peaceful right-wing demonstrators in Berkeley

http://tinyurl.com/ybt5qhbc

[Extraneus]

I think the prof who wrote the reversible computing piece is too invested in the idea. He simply claims that when Moore's Law ends, technology development will cease. That's b.s. and there are numerous so-called "more-than-Moore" solutions being worked on quite vigorously, such as quantum computing, photonic computing with superconducting single-photon detectors, etc.

Today's technology is still based on binary logic - switch on/switch off, represented as 1's and 0's - as it's been for decades. When devices are developed that can operate in 8 or 10 or 100 different states, the number of transistors needed to perform the same calculations will drastically reduce, and progress will continue.

[James D.]

DrJ, I was just about to bring up "stakeholders". Great minds think alike, I suppose.

[Clarice Feldman]

OL, I think you're right--consider how much stock is in the hands of institutional investors, institutions as far removed from their customers and founders and the attenuation is even more extreme.Pay high tuitions and the school's Board doesn't give a crap and use the endowments just buy more stock in companies without exercising any control over either the school's administration or the company's. --And don't get me started on the bloated overly endowed foundations whose administrators run the show contrary to the founders' intent with neither govt nor board reins.

[narciso.]

Yes its about as real as the arc reactor, I suppose there is a point where miniaturization reaches its limit but were not that there yet.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Old Lurker,
First, here is the video referenced:

https://www.facebook.com/usawtfm/videos/10155815797353606/

(1) To all the panicky "Trump supporters" who think things are spiralling out of control. Listen to Mattis.

(2) "You're buying time. You're a great example for our country right now. We've got some problems."

(3) "You know it and I know it. We've got problems that we don't have in the military."

(4) "You just hold the line, my fine young soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines."

(5) "You just hold the line until our country gets back to understanding and respecting each other and showing it."

(6) "And being friendly to one another. You know, what Americans OWE to one another."
re so doggone lucky to be Americans."

(7) "We're so doggone lucky to be Americans."

(8) So Mattis is totally aware of what Trump is doing. DO WHAT HE ASKS. Hold the line.

[Thomas Collins]

"When devices are developed that can operate in 8 or 10 or 100 different states,"

I believe that device, the human brain on hydroponic pot, has already been already developed, Extraneus. :-)

[narciso.]

Of course its Al ghuardiaN
https://althouse.blogspot.com/2017/08/hunger-is-gnawing-at-venezuela-where.html

[GUS]

At the earliest possible moment, Corp Execs and Politicians, crawl over dead bodies to SIGNAL THEIR VIRTUE.
Black....................LIVES MATTER.

"Bob, we need to get on board with this BLACK (Tranny, gay, Muzzlim, wymyn, illegal alien) MEME, so as to increase profits (votes).
Bob: "Sorry Mr Howell III, but Black lives Matter and Antifa are COMMIES and will eat (sting) US, as Crocs and Scorpions do".
Mr Howell III "Boby, I accept your resignation, you're fucking NAZI".

End of story.

[rse]

The idea is that a voting majority should be able to create the public policies they want to see. That's what democracy now supposedly means and ed gets used to create the social consensus that will become enacted public policy legislation.

'Stakeholders' insists that those who are affected have as much say as those who will be asked to foot the bill. So two "I wants" trump the one I made it and have it and it's not yours to disperse on behalf of the 'common good'.

To Ol's point the National Academy of Sciences has a program coming up this fall for government agencies, higher ed, and big business to discuss how they will work together to create the economies of the future.

[narciso.]

Yep they are evil:

https://althouse.blogspot.com/2017/08/hunger-is-gnawing-at-venezuela-where.html

[narciso.]

Sorrynthat as supposed to be an ogrady piece about google in Cuba.

[narciso.]

Http://babalublog.com/2017/08/28/google-breaks-its-promises-to-cubans-denies-access-to-pro-democracy-website

[Comanche Voter]

Anti Fa, BLM, the LGKBTTQQQXYZ (the UK now "recognizes" 71 "genders", all that nonsense is how you get more Trump.

[GUS]

Why not 72 genders, why does the UK discriminate against Ghost/horse/tree/buick fuckers??

[Captain Hate]

I had no idea you were a 45 collector, box. This is just a guess for me:

Jazz and Improv 70%
Rock and Soul 15%
Blues and Zydeco 7%
Country and Bluegrass 7%
Classical and everything else 2%

[Captain Hate]

Err, make that last 1%

[Captain Hate]

I have half-way decent collections of a few artists, like blues harmonica player Little Walter.

Most, if not all of your records of him feature guitarist Robert Lockwood Jr., who I saw play numerous times and was probably the only recording artist who learned to play guitar from Robert Johnson.

[narciso.]

Hi didn't lone what captain.

[Extraneus]

I believe that device, the human brain on hydroponic pot, has already been already developed

Dave's not here, man.

[Captain Hate]

Please rewrite that question, narc, assuming that's what it is.

[RattlerGator]

(psssst . . . MM . . . you know . . . ummmm . . . that OL *likes* it out on that ledge, right?)

I think there should be some JustOneMinute naming rights attached to this damn ledge, gang. Who is with me?

My suggestion? The #ThatsWhereHeStashesAllTheGoodStuff Ledge.

The man has already said he's saving me a special spot and I'm holding him to it!

[narciso.]

It wee more of a statement before automistake.

[Captain Hate]

Tammy Bruce: besides a wall and ZippyCare, voters voted for law and order by voting for DJT and Mr Peepers Sessions is having nappy time instead of addressing Antifa.

[narciso.]

Gorillapundit should be on the five.

[Dave (in MA)]

I am now.

[Old Lurker]

"Stakeholder" is worse than a neutral concept. It is a destructive concept.

By "answering" to all "stakeholders", one is in fact answering to nobody and what employee would not like to have no boss? And no way to measure productivity. Therefore no way to tell if you are worth what you are being paid. And on and on and on.

Life in general as in nature, and society, religion and business all require accountability or nothing gets done and bad things happen.

So of course the Left invented the concept.

[Old Lurker]

"When devices are developed that can operate in 8 or 10 or 100 different states,"

Huh? I thought there were only 57 states.

[Old Lurker]

RG "The man has already said he's saving me a special spot and I'm holding him to it!"

There you go again RG. Trying to use your Blackness on me to make me feel guilty. At least please capitalize "The Man".

:-)

[henry]

That's pickles OL.

[Extraneus]

Oh brother.

HILLARY BOOK TOUR TICKETS UP TO $1,200...

[fdcol63]

RG - OL and I are waiting for you! LOL

[Threadkiller]

What racist NAZI southerners do in their spare time:

Three members of the Cajun Navy who went to the Houston area Monday morning to rescue stranded residents pulled a lifeless elderly woman from floodwaters and resuscitated her.

Joshua Lincoln of Madisonville, Ricky Berrigan of Lacombe and Donnie Davenport of Pearl River were motoring their flatboat northeast of Houston when they came across 73-year-old Wilma Ellis, floating face down.

"I thought it was a trash bag," Lincoln said. "She was wearing a black shirt.

"The lady must have been crossing in some current. She floated right to the boat. We jumped out and got her and gave her compressions right there in the water. We were holding her from behind."

After about 15 chest compressions, Ellis began to cough and breathe on her own, Lincoln said.

http://www.nola.com/outdoors/index.ssf/2017/08/members_of_cajun_navy_resuscit.html

The nearly deceased:

ANTIFA!!

[mike in houston]

Maxine Waters charged with ethics violations

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/08/maxine-waters-charged-with-ethics-violations.php