Live From Boston

Nice green grass and its growing. Livestream from Boston from the never-heard-of-'em Right Side Broadcasting Network. Protests apparently remain peaceful for now as the speakers and counter-protestors are well-separated.

Cboldt provides the Facebook announcement of the protest and a speaker list, telling us that Kyle Chapman, better known as "Based Stickman", is recognizably controversial.

FWIW, the failing NY Times had a June story about fringe violent groups and led with Chapman. They also included this bit of history, with intriguing 'testimony against interest' from the SPLC (my emphasis):

“There’s been a lot of organized violence on the part of the left against the right, so we have to organize,” Mr. Chapman said. “The purpose is to have a peaceful event. But if people are attacked, you have to be ready and willing to defend yourself and your right-wing brothers and sisters.”

This form of aggression is something researchers say they have not seen on such a scale before on the far right, where the chosen method of provocation for groups like neo-Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan is to demand the use of public space for rallies where they can spew racist and offensive language that is nonetheless protected as free speech.

“These are new people to us,” said Heidi Beirich, the Intelligence Project director for the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist movements.

Typically, the far-right groups they study will demonstrate but avoid confrontation, acting in a “defensive crouch,” she added.

“But saying, ‘We’re going to show up and we’re intending to get in fights,’ that’s a new thing,” Ms. Beirich said.

...

The Alt-Knights were initially conceived as a paramilitary wing of the Proud Boys, designed to provide protection for audiences listening to conservative speakers like Ann Coulter and Milo Yiannopoulos, whose public events have been canceled because of threats of violence.

I would say the SPLC is very sympathetic to left wing haters but not credible with respect to the right, so for them to describe these groups as new would seem to confirm their origin story - they are a reaction to the antifa.

As an example of the old school, here is NY Times coverage and a Twitter video of the antifa outnumbering and beating down white supremacists in Sacramento in June 2016.

I'll be watching more closely tonight.

Comments

[Thomas Collins]

No protests I can see in Mont-Tremblant. The French Canadiens are even speaking English to my wife and me.

[cboldt]

Tonight?! Dang - I fergot I set my gmail calendar to have "Sat-Sun" both at the right side, and thought today's game was an afternoon one.

[cboldt]

LOL - the "peace march" is a couple miles long, 30,000 people. Headed for the Common. Be there or be square.

[henry]

good grief, this a Harvard person giving the incoherent rant about Kim be suppressed because of racism?

[Marlene]

I just mentioned on the other thread that the crowd marching to the Common is huge. This could get nasty. Some people on the Common brought kids with them.

[cboldt]

Leftist on a rant about US involvement in the Korean conflict. Says the casualties are not in our history books (claims 5 million NK killed). So much history to rewrite.

Speaker is complaining that immigrants can't get jobs. That's a new one on me.

[rse]

This post needs the SPLC's Guide to the Alt Right.

https://www.tolerance.org/magazine/splc-releases-campus-guide-to-countering-altright

The Teaching Tolerance campaign has been around several years but C'ville is being used to make it mandatory in all classrooms. NEA is doing a webinar on just that on August 22.

[cboldt]

Taking kids to something like this is irresponsible. At the same time, I understand the tension between the urge to be there, and inability to find a babysitter or friend to watch the kid(s).

[cboldt]

Overheard on video feed - if we take the mexicans and muslims away from the right, the right will kill each other, like they are right now in Washington, DC.

[Momto2]

Hi, everyone! I have not read here for days (combination of drugs and figuring out how to see the keyboard in this collar.) And the time I sign in - I get to read Kev's update. SO glad you are on this side of that awful episode, Kev! I'm sure your excellent diet and healthy lifestyle choices have gotten you through this.

My update sounds tame in comparison but feel free to SOB if I overdo it. I blame everything on the drugs these days.

It was almost exactly one week ago that my life took a U-turn. Around 11:45 I was on a small 2 lane road - probably 20 or 25 mph when, without warning, an SUV coming from the opposite direction suddenly turned right in front of me. I turned very slightly before impact but it was almost a head-on collision. I remember immediately knowing my neck was injured. I refused to move to try to get out of the car - although the police were asking me to do so.

An off-duty EMT came over to me and was an angel. He helped me control my panic attack and slow my breathing. Once the ambulance arrived they put on a collar but still asked me if I could stand up. I said no! They had to break my door to get me out and put me on a back board.

I think I already wrote about how the first hospital transferred me to Grady Trauma in Atlanta after concluding that I had a C2 fracture. There I had contrast CT's, MRIs and multiple other x-rays. My knee was injured a bit but seems to be ok now. Grady is an interesting hospital. It is where you want to be for anything life-threatening but for regular medical issues - not so much! Overall, they took great care of me. I was glad I always had a family member there to intervene if nurses "forgot" to bring my pain meds or my meals. For 2 days I was not even allowed to have water which drove me crazy!

The spinal team finally concluded that I could avoid surgery and even the dreaded "halo" and heal with this Aspen collar. My injury is called a "hangman's break" as it is what happens when someone is hanged. Not a pleasant thought.

I have 10 weeks of wearing the collar with weekly visits to the Grady spine specialists for x-ray or other tests to verify that all is ok. I am weaning off of my pain meds as well as I can. I was on Dialudid, morphine, and Oxycodone. I'm taking less than 1/2 of my hospital dose of Oxycodone presently. I'm adding 30 min. to 1 hour between doses.

I feel a bit like Kev in that my anxiety is what I am battling as much as pain. It makes me very uncomfortable to relive the accident, or to think about what happened to Christopher Reeves with his similar injury. I am in awe of God's mercy to me in that I have no neurological impairment.

My kids have been so wonderful - they now have to care for me and my husband. They ordered a great sloping pillow set up that helps me get comfortable. It is very hard to sleep on your back when you are a life-long side sleeper. I cannot turn or move from side to side - just flat on my back or with the elevated pillow.

I can say that coming so close to death or paralysis changes one's outlook on many things. I hope to use these 10 weeks of recovery in a positive way. It appears I will not be able to begin teaching after Labor Day as I was planning. My school has been wonderfully supportive and will make adjustments until I can return.

One funny development is that somehow the PI lawyers have gotten my cell phone number and my daughter's number. We receive 3 or 4 calls/texts a day. My son is dealing with the insurance and I cannot think about that right now. Fortunately, the other driver was insured so I hope it goes OK and we won't need to sue.

[Thomas Collins]

Best wishes to you, KK, and to you, Momto2, as you continue your respective recoveries.

[Marlene]

Momto2,thinking of you as you continue your recovery.

[cboldt]

SPLC Campus Guide

Thanks for the intro link. The piece itself is short enough. Gives reasonable advice, which is to avoid confrontation because it results in attention (at best). Very much political though, quite anti-Trump in desired outcome. Labels Bannon as a racist.

[rse]

Momto2-please be careful about these lawyers calling you. I deal all the time with trying to explain to people that that first lawyer is trying to get a lien against any final settlement and the insurance companies know who never tries a case and rarely even takes depositions. They will be trying to get you to let them have a piece of the action knowing they now have an asset and you are bound.

I have had this conversation with both a cousin who called my house and a plumber I had already warned in just the last month.

I can help you find the right person or options and I have never done this kind of work. You are going to need a lawyer though and it needs to be someone experienced in these kind of cases who has tried before the judges in the county where you live before. It won;t get that far, but it is crucial that kind of person be who the insurance company knows you have had the sense to hire.

Tell your family members to send me an email via my blog and I will do some asking for you if you would like.

[cboldt]

The free speech rally looks to have fewer than 100 people. Speaker was speaking against Monsanto and GMO (Dr. Shiva, running against Warren for Senate).

[Momto2]

THank you, Robin! That is exactly what I need. I will have my son contact you.

[rse]

I am going to put up two old posts on what the SPLC has been up to in classrooms and how they intend to make race one of the primary topics in all classrooms. Somehow they magically knew to release the Altright guide on August 10, 2017 before Charlottesville.

http://invisibleserfscollar.com/social-cohesion-can-commence-once-reality-is-born-largely-from-beliefs-and-boundaries-co-created-with-others/ is the first on their Teaching Diverse Students Initiative.

Then the next post is on the CARE Guide created with the NEA. http://invisibleserfscollar.com/shaping-a-mind-is-more-important-than-stuffing-it-grasping-the-psychosocial-key-to-fundamental-transformations/

[cboldt]

rse - very good advice. Lawyers as a class are some of the most sleazy people on the planet. Not there aren't good ones, but finding a good one should not be a crap shoot. I've seen some amazing "stunts" as I get involved via "expert" route. Any lawyer who has been in the business for a few years is cynical. The system is rotten, and it is not self-policing.

[rse]

My blog email is robin at reformforgrowth dot com.

Just have him put in the symbols where I used words.

[rse]

The funny thing about that SPLC altright guide is that its classroom materials for k-12 do explicitly do what that guide then accuses the altright of mistakenly accusing is going on. Talk about wanting to have your cake and eat it to.

I went to a prog program at emory about two years ago and talked with the lawyer for the splc about their initiatives. I was somewhat reticent about who I actually was and she was probably making more assumptions from my presence than she should have.

[cboldt]

Cops have told the 100 or so free speechers to finish up. The cops plan to abandon the rally. Make sense. They have a mob to police, heheheheh.

[DebinGA]

Sounds like you're in excellent hands Momto2. Great advice from rse that wouldn't have entered my mind. The legal hyenas scenario reminded me of learning recently of scamsters who call and ask, "Is this Mrs. (Deb)?" in order to get a recorded "Yes" they then use to entangle the unwitting victim in nefarious schemes. Be careful y'all. It's a jungle out there.

[cboldt]

The marchers have announced an intention to shut down the free speech bunch early. The cops pretty much have to go along with it, or else the lefties will riot, and there are tens of thousands of them.

The government give free speech based on raw numbers and credible threat of violence.

[maryrose]

Momto2:
Thank God you are all right and avoided the "halo".
That was my biggest fear for you.
Take your time and don't worry about school.
Relax and try soft music and meditation to curb your anxiety.
So sorry this has happened.

[Jane (Stand against the Coup)]

Momto2. I was a claims adjuster (defense) a risk manager (biz) and a plaintiff lawyer for 15 years. If you have any questions direct them to me. Before you do anything find out how much insurance the guy that hit you has, and how much under-insurance you have. I'll be out of the country from the 25th until the 7th. You don't have to do anything but get better before then. (and feel free to ignore me as well if you want to)

Kev, I am glad you are doing better. Wow that is amazing.

[maryrose]

It is a sad day when leftist thugs get to determine free speech and that our free expression must be shut down to placate them.

[mike in houston]

Ca.n you believe this? You would think they would have learned from Crystal Gayle Mangum.

Professors Rally Around a Student Who Became the Public Face of a Confederate Statue’s Fall

http://www.chronicle.com/article/Professors-Rally-Around-a/240945

[cboldt]

The lead speaker for the march is telling the crowd that the FOP (Fraternal order of Police) sides with Trump.

40 free speechers corralled by the cops. That's the rally that thousands are protesting. The size disparity makes an amazing visual. To corral is surrounded.

[Tom Maguire]

I am weaning off of my pain meds as well as I can. I was on Dialudid, morphine, and Oxycodone. I'm taking less than 1/2 of my hospital dose of Oxycodone presently. I'm adding 30 min. to 1 hour between doses.

Best wishes and hang in there M2M, but do keep in mind: Don't be a hero about those pain meds.

I don't claim to be a pain savant but I've been told (and neuroscience says) that pain can be like a habit, in that once the neural pathways are formed the re-experience of pain becomes much easier.

Conversely, if the pain meds keep the severe pain at bay your brain won't develop a knack for experiencing severe pain.

I get that opioid are over-used today but the idea of being quick to prescribe them had a basis. Tricky balancing act. Family or personal history of addictive behavior, eg to alcohol, is also a factor to consider. Don't suffer needlessly.

Best of luck.

[cboldt]

Fire dept or cops are using sound to disperse.

[cboldt]

Maybe just to clear an intersection. Sound was not at the Common.

[cboldt]

"No Trump, no KKK, no plastic USA"

[Jim Eagle]

So far, all of this crap is happening where antifa and their ilk are protected species (i.e. Dem states). Remember NC has a Dem governor now and is always a tossup because of the Research Triangle which includes mega-academia. Hell even Ferguson had a Dem Governor for Mizzou.

Unless the idea is to make the alt-right national media martyrs I don't understand the geographic/demographic strategy. I guess they figure if they did this in Texas or Mississippi or Kansas the media would ignore it since the odds for violence would not be in their favor.

Pisses me off that a legitimate rally for "free speech" not hateful rhetoric would be covered as if Lou Rockwell or his ilk were organizing it and speaking.

[Captain Hate]

Momto2,

I assume the Morkie wasn't with you. Best wishes for your recovery.

[cboldt]

Well there you go, a simple mixup between Norman Rockwell and Lou Rockwell. Oops.

The exercise is good for them.

Ears are working better, not "no plastic USA," it's "no FASCIST USA"

[Clarice Feldman]

What a useful piece of info, T M

[Jim Eagle]

Mto2,

Don't the big side effect of opiods and make sure the hospital is maximizing your daily dose of laxatives. It made my 6 week stay, when I had the sepcis infection, hell on wheels.

Forget the protest. If you want to see real American patriotism turn on Golf Channel and watch the Solheim Cup. Now antifa there, at least if they were they ain't there now.

[-peter]

Mom2 feel better. Jane gave good advice, I'm in the same line of work. Don't sign anything

[Jim Eagle]

Now antifa s/b No antifa.......

[cboldt]

Lefty shouting out to one of the people they are hassling, "how does it feel to be a minority?" Talk about irony!

[Captain Hate]

I was surprised in that link JiB provided a while back that pointed out the "hate groups" in NY, that the SPLC included the Nation of Islam in various locations.

[Momto2]

CH- no, thankfully, Darby was at home and I was alone. She is so interested in all of the changes going on here. Lots of additional people in and out of the house means she gets extra attention!

Thanks for the pain advice, TM! I had not heard that about the pain pathways but it makes sense. I have been cautioned to take them before I get uncomfortable so I'm doing that. My entire torso is filled with bruises from the seatbelt so I have pain besides just my neck.

Jane - thank you for the kind offer. I will certainly take all of this to heart and tell my son to follow up with the experts here who can help us make wise decisions.

[cboldt]

Monto2 - You'll learn to time the intake of pain meds. I would stretch out the interval, and the timing was pretty predictable. I wanted to "feel some pain" in between dose 1 wearing off and dose 2 taking effect, but not "too much pain." One thing surprised me - one day, all of a sudden, the pain really subsided.

My instances were surgery. Heavy pain for about a week in one case, and maybe 10 days in the other. I was dealing with "just deep cuts," and those heal differently from bruises.

[Marlene]

I'm watching the NECN livestream now, the Boston police are in full riot gear,looks like a skirmish and arrests as they try to push back the crowd.

[cboldt]

Cops beating on and probably arresting some peaceful protesters.

[jimmyk on iPhone]

From the last thread: "It's not the message, it's the messenger."

I have had this thought that Trump could speak some words that were identical to what some much-admired liberal like Obama or JFK spoke, and watch them media go berserk. The problem is it's hard to find non-famous words by famous people.

Glad you're on the mend momto2, hope it goes well and smoothly.

[henry]

They need those scoops from Soylent Green

[cboldt]

Scoops! Looks like the cops are just trying to claim the street for vehicle traffic. No hassle to people on the sidewalk. A parade of paddy-wagons.

It's nice weather, and the people aren't tired yet. Going to be a bit of a chore to disperse.

[James D.]

So happy to hear you're recovering, Momto2!

Continued prayers are with you, and also with Kev.

[cboldt]

Steve Bannon will be a tough and smart new voice at @BreitbartNews...maybe even better than ever before. Fake News needs the competition!

@realDonaldTrump - 1:47 PM

[Clarice Feldman]

Shows you what you can do when, unlike Terry McAuliffe, you aren't trying to put on a dramatic production for the lefty media to publish.

[Tom Maguire]

Pisses me off that a legitimate rally for "free speech" not hateful rhetoric would be covered as if Lou Rockwell or his ilk were organizing it and speaking.

"Free speech" is hateful code for "Unchecked white privilege", don'cha know?

[lurkersusie]

Politically correct

Duke University has removed a statue of Gen. Robert E. Lee from its campus amid an intensifying national debate over Confederate statues and monuments.

The university said it took the statue down from its perch in Duke Chapel early Saturday morning, three days after it had been damaged by vandalism.

In an email to students, faculty, staff and alumni Saturday morning, University President Vincent Price said he chose to have the statue removed to protect the chapel and its parishioners, and to "express the deep and abiding values of our university."

The Lee statue will be preserved to allow students to "study Duke's complex past and take part in a more inclusive future," he said.

https://t.co/UwoVAf2Ygm?amp=1

[cboldt]

By 1 p.m., the handful of rally attendees had left the Boston Common pavillion, concluding their event without the planned speeches.

WaPo

[Rocco]

I have a good friend who would challenge you to a fist fight for using the word paddy-wagon. I used the word in front of him and was promptly informed it was a racist term used to describe drunken Irishmen thrown into the back of a police van. The irony in this is that he is a drunken Irishman!

[Clarice Feldman]

Yes, NECN which in its text refers to it as a free speech rally, heds the piece with antiracist rally, Tom.

[Extraneus]

Free speech without the speeches.

[Jim Eagle]

Duke, founded by a tobacco baron. Hasn't tobacco killed more people than the KKK and Hitler put together?

[Clarice Feldman]

Actually, JIB is was founded by the man whose statue was pulled down--a man who post civil war started a black college called Trinity Methodist. Doris Ducke funded it after he went broke and today it's called Duke.

[cboldt]

Rocco - what did your drunken Irish friend prefer to call the paddy-wagon?

[cboldt]

Clarice - it was as much an anti-Trump protest as anything. Plenty of good soundbites for the press.

[Jim Eagle]

Thanks for the history lesson Clarice, but still if we keep to current political correctness shouldn't we recognize the consequences of tobacco like we have anti-semitism and communist pogroms?

[cboldt]

Some liberals complaining about police brutality.

[Frau Steingehirn]

Little city of Upland: A small group planned a "Support Trump" rally and the interim city manager was quoted in today's paper as saying the city would not issue a permit given
recent events.
The rally site was to be on Route 66 and a large main north/south intersection which has a large DAR "Madonna of the Trail" statue. It was not a good, safe site even though past Tea Party rallies have been held elsewhere along Route 66.

[Rocco]

I worked with him temporarily transporting inmates to and from court. He was so mad at me, he pulled the van over (with inmates in the back) to yell at me!

[cboldt]

Yeah, but Rocco, if I don't have another name for the damn thing, I'm going to risk pissing off my Irish drunk friends! Help me out man!

[Jim Eagle]

In re: Duke.

I just went on Wiki to read about its founding as Duke. The initial endowment of $85 was from George Washington Duke.

As far as I am concerned, using the same metrics of hate from the MFM, Democrats and their friends at Antifa, doesn't qualify Duke as a "tear down"? Come on lefties and Dems, defend that proposal.

[Jim Eagle]

s/b $85K.....

[Jim Eagle]

We're discussing the word "Paddywagon" and DuDa not being here means he is a passenger in one?

[Clarice Feldman]

well, cboldt--I suppose that people seeing a large crowd of useful idiots and thugs protesting Trump will suddenly change their minds and vote left. Amirght?

Or maybe, they'll do what my brother who always skipped classes did when antiwar protestors in the 60's started forcefully pulling kids out of classes:Pull up his pants and walk thru the line of screaming meemies to go to school.

[Rocco]

Paddy-wagon it is then cboldt! Heh, I'm Irish, my wife's English, I've been telling her for years to give it back honey. She gets so mad at me!

[cboldt]

The permit granted Wednesday is for 100 people and a two-hour rally from noon until 2 p.m., with a two-hour setup and an hourlong breakdown time.

Facts not widely reported.

If the government practiced parity, the protesters would have been permitted 100 attendees, and this would have been much easier and cheaper to manage.

[Ralph L]

It was James B Duke that really bankrolled them. Wake Forest people are so proud that they took the Reynolds money and moved to W-S but didn't change their name. The town of Wake Forest is probably 100 miles away now.

[cboldt]

Clarice - the left is all about intimidation and bullying. Always has been.

[Ralph L]

So have we entered the era of mob rule?

[cboldt]

Rocco - "jail limo" - but that's probably racist too.

[cboldt]

Ralph L - yes, but we don't call it that. It's called "democracy."

[daddy]

a simple mixup between Norman Rockwell and Lou Rockwell.

JiB,

In this day and age of ignorance they're probably both considered "typical white supremacists."

Good Morning!

[daddy]

Sorry, Meant cboldt, not JiB.

Where's my first cuppa joe?

[cboldt]

Mob doing a rousing round of "F*&! Donald Trump" followed by applauding themselves. How about "100 bottles of beer on the wall"?

Heheheh - mob is chanting "this is what democracy looks like" now. Right on cue.

[cboldt]

daddy - it's all good. We'll sort out the mistakes just fine, right narciso?

[Flodigarry]

In Chicago paddy wagons are known as squadrols

I'm Irish and I prefer paddy wagon

[narciso]

close enough, the left's mo never changes and defectors are regarded as heretics in Moslem lands:

https://www.akpress.org/outofthenight.html

[Extraneus]

On my way back from Quebec (waving to TC). Lots of Antifa grafiti in Montreal. Even saw a panhandler with a logo t-shirt on.

[cboldt]

"You can have your free speech all day long," the mayor said. "But let's not speak about hate, let's not speak about bigotry, racism." ...

The mayor said he would not have given the group a permit if he didn't have to ... "I do not want them here," he said, adding later, "We don't need a handful of people who think they're speaking on behalf of America when they're not."

I thought I saw where the parade had a permit. It is illegal to conduct a parade in Boston without a permit. And all the leftists speaking now are, of course, speaking for all of America. Especially the parts where they badmouth the Boston cops.

[Flodigarry]

Prayers to Saint Gemma for both Kev and Momto2! Best wishes for speedy recoveries.

[Gentlejim]

On my way back from Quebec (waving to TC). Lots of Antifa grafiti in Montreal. Even saw a panhandler with a logo t-shirt on.

Posted by: Extraneus | August 19, 2017 at 02:42 PM

Nice to know that French-Canadian bums can safely travel from VA to Quebec. :)

[Rocco]

I prefer paddy-wagon too. So that line of tactical cops that were tangling with and pushing back those protestors were protecting a couple of paddy-wagons full of the rally organizers. Is that right? What a difference from Charlottesville where they fed them to the lions.

[Ralph L]

I think I saw one American flag in the videos of Charlottesville, not that I watched all of them.

[Ralph L]

MacInnes said he withdrew from this rally because of the mayor's remarks--he didn't think it wouldn't be violent.

[daddy]

As far as I am concerned, using the same metrics of hate from the MFM, Democrats and their friends at Antifa, doesn't qualify Duke as a "tear down"?

You certainly have my endorsement to burn the place to the ground.

[Jane (Stand against the Coup)]

Imagine being happy about shouting down a free speech rally - in America!

[cboldt]

One black man walking through the leftist protest, saying "Trump is not a racist." He has a police escort.

[daddy]

Just watched a clip on One America News of Jordon Sekulow discussing the reopening of the FOIA case in regards to the FBI previously denying they had any documents concerning the Loretta Lynch/Bill Clinton Tarmac Meeting.

Sekulow said that one of the E-mails went to somebody named Carr, currently a big shot for Mueller, but that at the time he was deep in I think FBI hierarchy. (Sorry, I could not transcribe the comments). Sekulow said the redacted E-mail tends to indicate that there were questions ongoing in the background between the security teams of Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton before the Tarmac meeting, which would obviously then show that there was premeditation and collusion, thus rendering the accidental Tarmac meeting to talk about Golf and grandchildren as utter BS.

I always take any Sekulow's comments, Jay's or Jordan's, with a grain of salt since there is usually so much bluster which ultimately never arrives in reality, but thought I'd put this out there to see if anyone has any firmer facts on it that I have missed.

[JimNorCal]

Read this comment on another blog. Don't know if it is accurate, but it's interesting.

" is organized by a non-Trump supporter and actually a member of the Green Party who is concerned about the recent coast-to-coast assault on free speech, and the silencing of Trump supporters in particular.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-Free-Speech-Rally-for-Boston-all-about-Aug-17-2017/answer/Christopher-Reiss

Because this event will be attended by Trump supporters, conservatives and libertarians…true to form, BLM and the leftist lot are branding this event a “White Supremacist Rally”, and are organizing attacks."

[DrJ]

Avoiding all of this protest talk, I spent an enjoyable day (so far!) in the vineyard picking berries that are representative of the crop. Those I have tested now, and it will take another week or two for the grapes to ripen fully. BRIX is 20, and it really should be 22 or a bit higher.

I admit that my automatic titrator is wonderful for measuring Titratable Acidity! It is way overkill, but if you have the tools, why not use them?

[jimmyk]

There was an open letter on C'ville sent to a community of which I am a part, that included these gems:

We are appalled by this resurgence of bigotry and antisemitism, and the renewed vigor of the neo-Nazis, KKK and alt-right.

While we always avoid politics, we are deeply troubled by the moral equivalency and equivocation President Trump has offered in his response to this act of violence.

Really pissed me off, and I want to write back in response, but I want to make sure I have my facts straight. Hoping JOMers can help, because I despair of trying to find facts in media coverage.

Is it correct that the "Unite the Right" people had a valid permit, and the Antifa crowd did not? So the leftists illegally disturbed a legal gathering and therefore were presumptively at fault for the violence (aside from the guy who drove an automobile into the crowd, which is still under investigation)? That's what I thought, though I've read contradictory things, like the permit was revoked, or had expired at a certain time. Thanks for your help.

[Gentlejim]

Cognitive dissonance, Jane? More like no cognition whatsoever.
It'd be nice to see the antifa crowd answer what they think would happen if they took their traveling shit show on the road to Beijing, Caracas, Pyongyang or Havana.

[Captain Hate]

Is it correct that the "Unite the Right" people had a valid permit, and the Antifa crowd did not?

Trump made that point when he stampeded the RINOS

[Extraneus]

Lots of Antifa grafiti in Montreal. Even saw a panhandler with a logo t-shirt on. None that I noticed in Quebec City.