Sly Stupidity, or, Beinart Versus Beinart

Peter Beinart of The Atlantic had a long history of the rise of the antifa here in the US for their September edition. It became very topical with the events in Charlottesville, which led to a second piece. Since the winds had shifted a bit Mr. Beinart chose to dumb it down. 

Let's start here - the antifa are a problem. From the short piece:

So, yes, antifa is not a figment of the conservative imagination. It’s a moral problem that liberals need to confront.

However, Mr. Beinart then creatively minimizes that problem, thereby illustrating Dreher's Law of Merited Impossibility, which in this context can be expressed as, 'the antifa will never achieve their goal of silencing right-wing speech, darn it".

Here we go:

But saying it’s a problem is vastly different than implying, as Trump did, that it’s a problem equal to white supremacism. Using the phrase “alt-left” suggests a moral equivalence that simply doesn’t exist.

For starters, while antifa perpetrates violence, it doesn’t perpetrate it on anything like the scale that white nationalists do. It’s no coincidence that it was a Nazi sympathizer—and not an antifa activist—who committed murder in Charlottesville. According to the Anti-Defamation League, right-wing extremists committed 74 percent of the 372 politically motivated murders recorded in the United States between 2007 and 2016. Left-wing extremists committed less than 2 percent.

Second, antifa activists don’t wield anything like the alt-right’s power. White, Christian supremacy has been government policy in the United States for much of American history. Anarchism has not. That’s why there are no statues of Mikhail Bakunin in America’s parks and government buildings. Antifa boasts no equivalent to Steve Bannon, who called his old publication, Breitbart, “the platform for the alt-right,” and now works in the White House. It boasts no equivalent to Attorney General Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III, who bears the middle name of a Confederate general and the first name of the Confederacy’s president, and who allegedly called the NAACP “un-American.” 

It boasts no equivalent to Alex Jones, who Donald Trump praised as “amazing.” Even if antifa’s vision of society were as noxious as the “alt-right’s,” it has vastly less power to make that vision a reality.

And antifa’s vision is not as noxious. Antifa activists do not celebrate regimes that committed genocide and enforced slavery. They’re mostly anarchists. Anarchism may not be a particularly practical ideology. But it’s not an ideology that depicts the members of a particular race or religion as subhuman.

Oh, please. Let's cut to Beinart's longer piece for the rebuttal:

All of which raises a question that is likely to bedevil progressives for years to come: If you believe the president of the United States is leading a racist, fascist movement that threatens the rights, if not the lives, of vulnerable minorities, how far are you willing to go to stop it?

In Washington, D.C., the response to that question centers on how members of Congress can oppose Trump’s agenda, on how Democrats can retake the House of Representatives, and on how and when to push for impeachment. But in the country at large, some militant leftists are offering a very different answer. On Inauguration Day, a masked activist punched the white-supremacist leader Richard Spencer. In February, protesters violently disrupted UC Berkeley’s plans to host a speech by Milo Yiannopoulos, a former Breitbart.com editor. In March, protesters pushed and shoved the controversial conservative political scientist Charles Murray when he spoke at Middlebury College, in Vermont.

As far-flung as these incidents were, they have something crucial in common. Like the organizations that opposed the Multnomah County Republican Party’s participation in the 82nd Avenue of Roses Parade, these activists appear to be linked to a movement called “antifa,” which is short for antifascist or Anti-Fascist Action. The movement’s secrecy makes definitively cataloging its activities difficult, but this much is certain: Antifa’s power is growing.

So now instead of futilely plotting an anarchist takeover, we have the antifa contributing to the ejection of conservatives from US campuses and some US cities. This expansion of the campus safe space mentality has spread to corporate America, with Google the obvious example. And now Google and others are booting conservatives off the internet. 

And all to the good, some will say. There is no place for hate in America! To which others will say, please. A large part of the progressive agenda is marketed by opposition to "hate". Just offhand:

Welfare reform/restrictions: racist hate.

Support for stricter legal immigration limits: racist hate.

Support for stricter illegal immigration enforcement, including use of phrase "illegal" instead of "undocumented": racist hate.

Opposition to a higher minimum wage: racist. Tipping? Racist. (Actually, the original minimum wage laws were meant to push unskilled blacks out of the job market. I'd say "Bygones" but it is still an effect today.)

Support for stricter visa rules on entrants from Obama's failed, mostly Muslim states? Hate.

A desire to decline to participate in a gay wedding ceremony for religious reasons? Hate.

The list will surely grow over time, as Mr. Beinart no doubt is aware. Of course, it may also be cut back, since all sorts of anti-Semitism that would have once been beyond the pale is now embraced by the campus left.

Of course he knows all this:

All of this fuels the fears of Trump supporters, who suspect that liberal bastions are refusing to protect their right to free speech. Joey Gibson, a Trump supporter who organized the June 4 Portland rally, told me that his “biggest pet peeve is when mayors have police stand down … They don’t want conservatives to be coming together and speaking.” To provide security at the rally, Gibson brought in a far-right militia called the Oath Keepers. In late June, James Buchal, the chair of the Multnomah County Republican Party, announced that it too would use militia members for security, because “volunteers don’t feel safe on the streets of Portland.”

Antifa believes it is pursuing the opposite of authoritarianism. Many of its activists oppose the very notion of a centralized state. But in the name of protecting the vulnerable, antifascists have granted themselves the authority to decide which Americans may publicly assemble and which may not. That authority rests on no democratic foundation. Unlike the politicians they revile, the men and women of antifa cannot be voted out of office. Generally, they don’t even disclose their names.

...

Revulsion, fear, and rage are understandable. But one thing is clear. The people preventing Republicans from safely assembling on the streets of Portland may consider themselves fierce opponents of the authoritarianism growing on the American right. In truth, however, they are its unlikeliest allies.

To that 'unlikely alliance' point the NY Times had some interesting "testimony against interest" from the low-credibility SPLC. The topic of the Jun 2 2017 story is the antifa and the recent rise of violent right-wing groups (my emphasis):

“There’s been a lot of organized violence on the part of the left against the right, so we have to organize,” Mr. Chapman said. “The purpose is to have a peaceful event. But if people are attacked, you have to be ready and willing to defend yourself and your right-wing brothers and sisters.”

This form of aggression is something researchers say they have not seen on such a scale before on the far right, where the chosen method of provocation for groups like neo-Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan is to demand the use of public space for rallies where they can spew racist and offensive language that is nonetheless protected as free speech.

“These are new people to us,” said Heidi Beirich, the Intelligence Project director for the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist movements.

Typically, the far-right groups they study will demonstrate but avoid confrontation, acting in a “defensive crouch,” she added.

“But saying, ‘We’re going to show up and we’re intending to get in fights,’ that’s a new thing,” Ms. Beirich said.

By way of example:

The Alt-Knights were initially conceived as a paramilitary wing of the Proud Boys, designed to provide protection for audiences listening to conservative speakers like Ann Coulter and Milo Yiannopoulos, whose public events have been canceled because of threats of violence.

I'll agree that the antifa is unlikely to murder anyone, other than perhaps as a predictable consequence of the escalating violence in which they engage. And I agree that they are unlikely to impose an anarchist government.

But since they are the ideological heirs to the communist goons of Europe and their current goal seems to be the suppression of right-wing speech, I think there are ample grounds to worry. Especially when informed liberals such as Mr. Beinart feel obliged to minimize the threat.

ON THE BRIGHTER SIDE: Some loons bob to the surface but the NY Times commenters are mostly anti-violence in this article about the antifa, showing a stronger respect for our First Amendment freedoms than the even-handed NY Times writers and editors.

ON THE DARKER SIDE: The sun and the moon: racist.

 

Comments

[Marlene]

First! Please respond to my OT on the previous thread if you have any ideas. Thanks!

[Jim Eagle]

marlene,

I remember seeing a coffee table size book on the famous New Zealand All Black Rugby team when I was in London. I think I saw it at either Daunts or Waterstones. Let me check and see if they still have it.

[cboldt]

NBC is going to give a promo for antifa on "Meet the Press" tomorrow. Mark Bray is a scheduled guest, pimping his new antifa book.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Beinart lives in a beinary world.

[cboldt]

Gunmen on a train story = false alarm

[anonamom]

posted by RG this morning

http://www.atimes.com/unintended-consequences-charlottesville/

[Jim Eagle]

marlene,

Sent you and email.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

I suppose that this big article in The Atlantic print edition was simply a coincidence.

Funny how there are all of these coincidences, like the two Indianapolis Star reporters just happening to be in Charlottesville and caught in the middle of the violence.

[Extraneus]

I find Beinart a rather infuriating asshole. Is it ok to punch him?

[Gentlejim]

Marlene,
I did a quick google search and there are some NZ landscape coffee table books.

[jimmyk on iPhone]

Beinart seems to be the new Krugman for JOM. I hope someone who has more time and patience than I do can scrutinize that ADL classification of murders that he cites. I'd be willing to wager it's not exactly objective.

[Captain Hate]

It’s no coincidence that it was a Nazi sympathizer—and not an antifa activist—who committed murder in Charlottesville.

Soooo, he's already been convicted of murder, Beinart? I'm not sure he didn't do anything more than panic when he and his car were being set upon by masked dipshits with baseball bats. It's not like he was shooting a rifle at a softball practice, Beinart. Or shooting at people at an outside political meet and greet, like Jared Loughner.

Fuck off, Beinart and your fake news rag. Own the violence that your Antifa heroes are inflicting.

[Jim Eagle]

Mark Bray is a scheduled guest, pimping his new antifa book.

I wonder if Antifa is going to turn into the left's version of a Militia group by state? Is that their objective and then be legitmized by the Dems and SPLC? It seems thats the direction they are taking as is their sponsors.

Soros must be scared and panicing because all the other tactics don't seem to be working.

[daddy]

Beinart lives in a beinary world.

Too many words for me. I lose interest in his writings, even when cut into smaller bits and pieces by TM. And where the hell he gets the idea that White Supremacists have inordinate power in America compared to the Media darling mobs of OWS/Antifa/BLM etc is lunacy.

And what the hell does this mean?

It’s no coincidence that it was a Nazi sympathizer—and not an antifa activist—who committed murder in Charlottesville.

Why?

[anonamom]

Mto2, from TM, earlier:
I am weaning off of my pain meds as well as I can. I was on Dialudid, morphine, and Oxycodone. I'm taking less than 1/2 of my hospital dose of Oxycodone presently. I'm adding 30 min. to 1 hour between doses.

Best wishes and hang in there M2M, but do keep in mind: Don't be a hero about those pain meds.

I don't claim to be a pain savant but I've been told (and neuroscience says) that pain can be like a habit, in that once the neural pathways are formed the re-experience of pain becomes much easier.

Conversely, if the pain meds keep the severe pain at bay your brain won't develop a knack for experiencing severe pain.

Not to argue with our host, who is correct about pain being able to set up recurrent "loops," but narcotics are far from the only way to diminish your pain.

Multimodal is most definitely the way to go. Besides your narcs, cold packs or heat; tylenol if you can take it; NSAIDs IF allowed--some orthopods think they interfere with bone healing, so check w your neurosurgeon--and comedies, music, conversation, whatever to reduce anxiety. Fish oil helps reduce inflammation too.

I am all for you diminishing the oxy as you can, and unlike TM, I am a doctor. ;-)

Do what you need to make a comfortable "nest" so you can sleep. I used seven pillows (two for each arm, three behind me) when this side sleeper had to sleep on my back when I blew out my knee skiing.

You and kev are in my prayers. Thank you for the update. keep us posted!

[jimmyk on iPhone]

"I find Beinart a rather infuriating asshole. Is it ok to punch him?"

Not only is it ok, it is required. Another case of backpfeifengesicht.

[Marlene]

Thanks Jack and gentlejim.

[daddy]

I find Beinart a rather infuriating asshole. Is it ok to punch him?

You have my permission.

[cboldt]

-- I find Beinart a rather infuriating asshole. Is it ok to punch him? --

The necessary incantation is "I find Beinart a fascist." Then whatever you do is self defense.

[Captain Hate]

Soros must be scared and panicing because all the other tactics don't seem to be working.

Paying Republicans seems to work just fine.

[jimmyk on iPhone]

Parody is dead, again.

"Traveler, USC's mascot, comes under scrutiny for having a name similar to Robert E. Lee's horse"

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-usc-traveler-20170818-story,amp.html

[henry]

Antifa is not going to kill anybody?

He ask Scalise about that?

He ask the guy in the Phila suburbs about that? (oops, he is not available for some reason. Murdered by Antifa sympathizer perhaps).

[Marlene]

Dear Lord,is Beinart name shaming Jeff Sessions? A newborn baby has a say in his name? You know who else has Jefferson in his name? Who often goes by the name Billy Jeff on certain blogs? *fainting couch*

[cboldt]

SPLC and Antifa on MSNBC appears to be a preview or rehearsal for Meet the Press. Same two guests. The president of SPLC isn't bothered by Antifa's preemptive resort to force of violence.

[cboldt]

jimmk - and dogs named "Dixie" have got to be petrified.

[rse]

jimmy-hope that outraged speaker drawing misplaced analogies is not one of those first generation college students these schools just love to tout so highly.

Red and her friend who graduated from colgate discussed one day how the students who are being given the finest opportunities to essentially go to these schools for free then become resentful and just keep pushing for ever more changes.

[narciso]

mostly harmless right peter

http://heavy.com/news/2017/08/everett-glenn-miller-kissimmee-glen-suspect-police-shot-shooting-matthew-baxter-sam-howard-photos-facebook/

[Captain Hate]

Parody is dead, again.

The category error in that clownish story is enough to knock the earth off its axis. What an embarrassment journalism has become.

[narciso]

it's not merely dead, it's gone zombie,

[daddy on iPhone]

ask Scalise about that?

ask the guy in the Phila suburbs about that

That was just coincidence.

[Frau Steingehirn]

jimmyk - you wondered about the permits of the two groups in Charlottesville. From what I've read is the U-Right group had one for limited hours in the Emancipation Park. The anti-protesters either had *none* or had one for somewhere else around town - Justice Park?.

In his interview with Secretary Moran on Monday, Katz pointed out that the “Unite the Right” rally attendees gathered inside Emancipation Park at the time had a legal permit to assemble there, while the counter-protesters on the street immediately in front of the park did not have a permit to conduct a protest or assemble there.

“Is there any reason why the people without the permit were not immediately dispersed?” Katz asked of Moran.

Mr. Katz practiced his flak-catching responses throughout: "Well, we’ll review all of this."
Two Breitbart articles cover events. The interview with the VA Public Safety official is interesting because it reveals the sudden appearance of the large group of anti-protesters "from all over the count" joining what was already assembled in town.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/17/virginia-secretary-of-public-safety-confirms-gov-mcauliffe-made-the-decision-to-shut-things-down/
Earlier Breitbart timeline:

"Instances of violence took place early at Justice Park, which another organization had been legally permitted for, as this tweet sent by the ACLU of Virginia confirmed."Not sure who provoked first. Both sides were hitting each other at Justice Park before police arrived."

Breibart asked but received no answer to its question:

6. Why did the Chief of Police not simultaneously declare the adjacent permitted demonstration as an unlawful assembly at the same time?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/16/timeline-leading-to-declaration-of-

[narciso]

they seem to have jumped the gun,

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40982926

[Account Deleted]

May God Bless You, Mom2.

-Kev

[Frau Komisch]

jimmyk - large group of anti-protesters from all over the country.

Sorry to mix up Mr. Katz with Mr. Moran of VA Public Safety. It was Mr. Moran who was practicing his flak-catching during the interview.

Moran know where the anti-protesters had come from but not the answers to most of the questions he was asked?

[Account Deleted]

Thanks to all who've expressed concerns and best wishes for continued healing. It's great to be cared about when health is in crisis.

Thank you very much.

Kev

[Rocco]

Have we seen their manual yet?

http://concealcarrypermit.net/2017/08/18/antifa-manual/

[Frau Geschichten vom Krankenhaus]

Kevlar suits you, KKid! Hugs and may you grow stronger every second.

Can you tell us any more about the blast in Panama?

[Jim Eagle]

Go to Narc's 5:46 and you will see antifa and altright getting into it in Barcelona after the attacks.

You also see the obligatory candles and flowers as the respectable response to Islamic Terrorism or whatever is politically correct these days.

Are we sure Jefferson defeated the Muzzies and didn't convert?

[Jim Eagle]

Well, Rocco, having read the preface to that manual, how did you get it:)?

[narciso]

in the fatuous twaddle department what is Steadman's 'honest conversation on race, and loly's followup, the turning the community resource centers into funders for the somelives matter, along with the hammerlock on every major police department, by the thalosian tom perez,

[narciso]

some jackolope named joel gunter, wins the doublethink Taranto award for two stories in one,
re the boston melee

[Marlene]

Oh geez. The local news just did a story about Bowdoin College removing a Confederate plaque. Jefferson Davis received an honorary degree from Bowdoin. Of course, the Civil War hero Joshua Chamberlain attended and taught at Bowdoin. BLM founder DeRay McKesson attended Bowdoin. One of these things is not like the other. The world is upside down.

[narciso]

further notes,

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/a-mastermind-has-brainwashed-them-family-of-barcelona-terror-suspect-speak-out-1.3192201

[matt, deplore me if you must]

So the San Bernardino attack, the Boston attack, The Orlando attack, the Ft Hood attack, Ft Lauderdale, Alexandria and the others don't count as hate crimes? We they "like" crimes?

I'd say those murderers were hatin' pretty hard.

Were the Dallas and Baton Rouge and other LE attacks like crimes?

It would seem to me that Mr Beinart and his sources are very narrowly defining what a hate crime is.

[Rocco]

JiB, I found it first on Reddit but those threads disappear so fast. Here's the whole thing. Real? you be the judge.

https://harrisburg100.blog/2017/08/17/leaked-the-antifa-manual/

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

State of the Union was just on TCM with Spencer Tracy and Katherine Hepburn.

UNLIKE our current president, Spencer Tracy gets conned into using POLITICAL CONSULTANTS who tell him to do what THE ELECTED OFFICIALS want, and they are all corrupt, including the union labor leader.

Except for the fact that Spencer tracy was for one world government for peace (this was right after WWII so understandable) I would bet cash money this movie is buried somewhere in the childhood memory of President Trump and he thought to himself "I'm not going to be like that guy!" LOL!

Also an interesting fact: the role of Tracy's wife was supposed to be played by another star, but she refused to stay on the set past 5PM so they let her go and hired Hepburn, who was famously very liberal. Adolph Monjou refused to talk to her, because he was fervently anti-Communist and supported the House Unamerican Activities Committee.

So now we can fondly remember Adolph Monjou, who had the right idea!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

How long do you guys think it will be before they go after Dixie cups and Dixie paper plates?

[rich]

Red Gurads ... that was the term I was looking for, Red Guards ... they were the student leaders of the Cultural Revolution as they went about attacking the 4 Olds: Old Customs, Old Ideas, Old Culture, and Old Habits.

Their reward was "rustification" as they were eventually shuttled off to the countryside and this vale of tears.

[cboldt]

Forming an Antifa Group
Not quite a manual, and not as many words as the size of the download suggests.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Yesterday I talked about how there is a memorial with the names of the Confederate prisoners in Garfield Park, which is near me. It was all over the news and on the front page of the paper, because (no doubt having combed the entire city looking for something, anything Confederate that our democrat mayor could virtue signal about, this was the ONLY thing that they could find.

It is a marker which was originally over a mass grave. All it is is a pillar with a ball finial and the names of the dead prisoners with a notation that they died while prisoners of the Union Army. Thats it. Just a list of names.

They had decided to have a committee decide wht to do with it, probably just move it to Crown Hill Cemetery, which is where the bodies were reinterred after exhumiing them from their first resting place when Camp Morton was closed and the property sold to private developers back in the late 19th century.

But, of course, our brave anti-Confederate social justice warriors vandalized the piece last night.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago

Our great country has been divided for decades. Sometimes you need protest in order to heal, & we will heal, & be stronger than ever before!

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago

I want to applaud the many protestors in Boston who are speaking out against bigotry and hate. Our country will soon come together as one!
========================================

What we see here is championship level trolling. LOL!

[Ralph L]

ADL classification of murders that he cites.
I saw one somewhere yesterday. It debunked a lot of them, but it still was ~70, IIRC.

If the white supremes have been killing people in the last decades, why is this the first one we've heard about?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://twitter.com/Debradelai/status/899021321425891330

Read this thread about Barcelona!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/08/19/nafta-day-3-and-4-updates-canada-and-mexico-foiled-on-u-s-government-contract-access/

[narciso]

this is what I was referring to:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4267575/barcelona-terror-attack-gas-canisters-terror-cell-dead/

it's similar to the plot in Berenson's last, although that involved sarin,

[Jane (Stand against the Coup)]

Marlene,

Arrange a visit with Scott Brown who is the now the Ambassador to New Zealand. You can find him on Facebook. I might have his email somewhere.

[maryrose]

I have a theory about the statue removal and this latest set-up in. Charlottesville.
The South voted overwhelmingly for President Trump.
By destroying their heritage via moving or destroying the memorial statues the Left gets its revenge on the South for not voting for Hillary.
Remember John Kerry stating he didn't need the South to win.
This whole Antifa movement is a loser.
Democrats continue to marginalize themselves.

[derwill, yet another adorable, irredeemable deplorable]

LOL, MM. It is a Rorschach test to see if you're in the Scott Adams' mass hysteria bubble. Those inside the bubble will see all kinds of racist dog whistles and support for neo-Nazis and the KKK. Those outside the bubble will either see the trolling and laugh, or maybe they'll just think it's a bunch of feel-good words that the politicians always always spewing.

[Dave (in MA)]

Greetings from section 29. Getting ready to protest the hate group from NY.

[Jane (Stand against the Coup)]

Marlene, I bet Brown would be thrilled to have visitors - and since he met with Caro and I in DC I know he's not a snob.

[Jane (Stand against the Coup)]

Dave,

Make sure we win!

[Frau Geschichten vom Krankenhaus]

cboldt - a man and his club means something special to the Antifa thug.

[Miss Marple]

derwill,

They hate Trump so much I expect some of them to disavow Antifa. Then of course, this will also enrage the fake right like Cernovich.

Confusion to the enemy!

[Jane (Stand against the Coup)]

Here is a link to declare Antifa a terrorist organization via weasil Zippers.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/formally-recognize-antifa-terrorist-organization-0

[jimmyk]

I took a quick look at that ADL study. For one thing, it appears to rely on the 'hate crime' designation for murders, which we know is more likely to be invoked when a black or other minority is the victim than the perp. They do count Islamic extremism in its own category, and in 2015 and 2016 that was the biggest, because of San Bernadino, Chattanooga, and Orlando.

[Frau Adlerauge]

Dave(in MA) - Keep yer eye on the masked man who squats and flashes gang signs.

[Clarice Feldman]

don't know if this unintentionally hilarious AP header was posted yet:https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20882294_10155444835820575_6739971547582187470_n.jpg?oh=5bdeb9a332761607fa82ce80c0da8442&oe=5A2D01B2

[rich]

>>>How long do you guys think it will be before they go after Dixie cups and Dixie paper plates?

Posted by: Miss Marple the Deplorable | August 19, 2017 at 06:26 PM<<<

Since they are old invention, the red guards got it on the list.

Lets go back to sharing cups and sippers ...

[jimmyk]

Read this thread about Barcelona!

So the Spanish authorities should have known something was brewing for months ahead of the attacks, but "that's not who we are." That's consistent with what I said about the house explosion--that should have been a big warning to go on high alert, and instead they first assumed it was an innocent gas explosion.

[Marlene]

Good idea,Jane! I'll have to figure out logistics,but that would be great! My daughter can probably give me a contact. We have plenty of time.

[lyle]

Greetings from SV, aka solar eclipse totality central. Getting caught up, I see Insty has a link to a Harvard (natch) educated scholar who helpfully points out that the eclipse only affects white peoples.

Best of luck to Kev and Mom2. Sheesh. My back surgery was a breeze compared to you two. Here I'm feeling guilty taking 20mg of oxicodone...

[Captain Hate on the iPhone]

They do count Islamic extremism in its own category, and in 2015 and 2016 that was the biggest, because of San Bernadino, Chattanooga, and Orlando.

And one in Minneapolis.

[Frau Adlerauge]

Miss M - I hope Ivanka comes out with a new perfume named "Fragrance Forty-five."

[Ralph L]

he met with Caro and I in DC I know he's not a snob.
Caro and ME. I am a snob.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

LOL, Frau.

[narciso]

Bezos has their laugher that the antifa had given up violence,

[Frau Lehrerin a.D.]

How do you stand on Oxford commas, RalphL?
...and pronoun shaming?

[cboldt]

VirginVirginia Heffernan chats with Mark Bray
She is very sympathetic with antifa. "Not as thuggish as I thought." Sees Trump as Mussolini (literally) and an existential threat. Trump supporters are not holding "innocent opinion," rather we are a threat to humanity.
This is mainstream left thought. Podcast on Slate.

[Extraneus]

So, which city's police will be first to beat the snot out of Antifa? You know a lot of cops would love to, and if BLM just happens to also be in the house, well, what are ya gonna do?

You should head out there with them, Beinart. Be a man. Stand up for what you believe in.

[cboldt]

Unmasking the leftist Antifa movement: Activists seek peace through violence CNN

You can read the whole thing, right from CNN.

[Frau Lehrerin a.D.]

Lucky lyle, at eclipse central and in the lap of luxury! Our son and younger granddaughter are up in the hills/mountains NE of Bend, OR where there is no phone reception. Our granddaughter just returned from her two-week internship at Apache Point Observatory in NM and has hauled her telescope and multiple cameras to the camp site to wallow in the eclipse. Such excitement!

[anonamom]

lyle, I am expecting a live report on the totality.

Are lots of peeps coming in? My partner who times his vacations to coincide with eclipses and travels accordingly has chosen Idaho to view it. He rafted the Snake this week.

[daddy on iPad]

Clarice, that CNN headline is amazing

Antifa "Activists seek peace through Violence."

[Extraneus]

Greetings from SV, aka solar eclipse totality central.

Careful out there, lyle. I hear the eclipse is racist.

Hardly any blacks in its path.

[rich]

Posted by: jimmyk | August 19, 2017 at 07:04 PM

>>>So the Spanish authorities should have known something was brewing for months ahead of the attacks ...<<<

and the FBI and Army knew about Hassan and did nothing ...

and the FBI knew about Mateen and did nothing ... and let his whore wife wander around for a while afterwards.

and the FBI knew about Garland and did nothing ...

and the FBI knew about San Bernardino and did nothing ...

I know lets have a big moral crisis about Charlottesville because some people don't want to see a bronze of Lee and Traveler, in place since 1924, taken down and sold at auction.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Let's see, who was a truly great Progressive the Dems love to honor?
Maybe their first to make it to the big O; Woody Wilson?
Anyone ready to tear down this creep's monuments, rename his high schools, disband the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars or whatever it's called?
Ya know, this guy;

“The white men were roused by a mere instinct of self-preservation—until at last there had sprung into existence a great Ku Klux Klan, a veritable empire of the South, to protect the Southern country.”

"The domestic slaves, at any rate, and almost all who were much under the master’s eye, were happy and well cared for.”

"Segregation is not a humiliation but a benefit, and ought to be so regarded by you gentlemen."

"[Reconstruction government was detested] not because the Republican Party was dreaded but because the dominance of an ignorant and inferior race was justly dreaded.

Richard Spencer couldn't have said it better himself.

[rich]

>>>Dave(in MA) - Keep yer eye on the masked man who squats and flashes gang signs.

Posted by: Frau Adlerauge | August 19, 2017 at 07:01 PM<<<

lol ...

[anonamom]

rich, ftw

[narciso]

well Richard spencer had almost as many degrees, uva, Chicago and duke, that's phd, for the last,

[rich]

thanks anonamom.

I suppose it is a bit unusual for me to be in the threads at this hour.

[henry]

Cloudy and Tstorms all day Monday here. Shrug.

[Clarice Feldman]

daddy, isn't it though--Orwell.

[Captain Hate on the iPhone]

Too bad that Somali cop was unavailable to respond to the Indians bending the Twinks over earlier in the week.

[Dave (in MA)]

Guy hit by thrown projectile.

[Frau Lehrerin a.D.]

Jeez, cboldt, that's hard to read. Large numbers of people didn't get to see their candidate in the WH and are engaging in irresponsible, vicious and destructive behavior. CNN makes it all understandable.

Dissent was patriotic but believing in free speech for all is not. Strange that the Bill of Rights lists one but not the other.

[Frau Lehrerin a.D.]

"Guy hit by thrown projectile."

Bummer! It was supposed to hit the troll.

[Ralph L]

Frau, my mother was from Oxford (NC), so it's eats, shoots, and leaves for I.

[Jim Eagle]

Dave,

Did he respond or leave up to the men in blue to handle it?

[rich]

"Activists seek peace through Violence."

a real headline ...

[cboldt]

Yankeeeeeees 3
RedSox goose egg
So far