Peter Beinart of The Atlantic had a long history of the rise of the antifa here in the US for their September edition. It became very topical with the events in Charlottesville, which led to a second piece. Since the winds had shifted a bit Mr. Beinart chose to dumb it down.
Let's start here - the antifa are a problem. From the short piece:
So, yes, antifa is not a figment of the conservative imagination. It’s a moral problem that liberals need to confront.
However, Mr. Beinart then creatively minimizes that problem, thereby illustrating Dreher's Law of Merited Impossibility, which in this context can be expressed as, 'the antifa will never achieve their goal of silencing right-wing speech, darn it".
Here we go:
But saying it’s a problem is vastly different than implying, as Trump did, that it’s a problem equal to white supremacism. Using the phrase “alt-left” suggests a moral equivalence that simply doesn’t exist.
For starters, while antifa perpetrates violence, it doesn’t perpetrate it on anything like the scale that white nationalists do. It’s no coincidence that it was a Nazi sympathizer—and not an antifa activist—who committed murder in Charlottesville. According to the Anti-Defamation League, right-wing extremists committed 74 percent of the 372 politically motivated murders recorded in the United States between 2007 and 2016. Left-wing extremists committed less than 2 percent.
Second, antifa activists don’t wield anything like the alt-right’s power. White, Christian supremacy has been government policy in the United States for much of American history. Anarchism has not. That’s why there are no statues of Mikhail Bakunin in America’s parks and government buildings. Antifa boasts no equivalent to Steve Bannon, who called his old publication, Breitbart, “the platform for the alt-right,” and now works in the White House. It boasts no equivalent to Attorney General Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III, who bears the middle name of a Confederate general and the first name of the Confederacy’s president, and who allegedly called the NAACP “un-American.”
It boasts no equivalent to Alex Jones, who Donald Trump praised as “amazing.” Even if antifa’s vision of society were as noxious as the “alt-right’s,” it has vastly less power to make that vision a reality.
And antifa’s vision is not as noxious. Antifa activists do not celebrate regimes that committed genocide and enforced slavery. They’re mostly anarchists. Anarchism may not be a particularly practical ideology. But it’s not an ideology that depicts the members of a particular race or religion as subhuman.
Oh, please. Let's cut to Beinart's longer piece for the rebuttal:
All of which raises a question that is likely to bedevil progressives for years to come: If you believe the president of the United States is leading a racist, fascist movement that threatens the rights, if not the lives, of vulnerable minorities, how far are you willing to go to stop it?
In Washington, D.C., the response to that question centers on how members of Congress can oppose Trump’s agenda, on how Democrats can retake the House of Representatives, and on how and when to push for impeachment. But in the country at large, some militant leftists are offering a very different answer. On Inauguration Day, a masked activist punched the white-supremacist leader Richard Spencer. In February, protesters violently disrupted UC Berkeley’s plans to host a speech by Milo Yiannopoulos, a former Breitbart.com editor. In March, protesters pushed and shoved the controversial conservative political scientist Charles Murray when he spoke at Middlebury College, in Vermont.
As far-flung as these incidents were, they have something crucial in common. Like the organizations that opposed the Multnomah County Republican Party’s participation in the 82nd Avenue of Roses Parade, these activists appear to be linked to a movement called “antifa,” which is short for antifascist or Anti-Fascist Action. The movement’s secrecy makes definitively cataloging its activities difficult, but this much is certain: Antifa’s power is growing.
So now instead of futilely plotting an anarchist takeover, we have the antifa contributing to the ejection of conservatives from US campuses and some US cities. This expansion of the campus safe space mentality has spread to corporate America, with Google the obvious example. And now Google and others are booting conservatives off the internet.
And all to the good, some will say. There is no place for hate in America! To which others will say, please. A large part of the progressive agenda is marketed by opposition to "hate". Just offhand:
Welfare reform/restrictions: racist hate.
Support for stricter legal immigration limits: racist hate.
Support for stricter illegal immigration enforcement, including use of phrase "illegal" instead of "undocumented": racist hate.
Opposition to a higher minimum wage: racist. Tipping? Racist. (Actually, the original minimum wage laws were meant to push unskilled blacks out of the job market. I'd say "Bygones" but it is still an effect today.)
Support for stricter visa rules on entrants from Obama's failed, mostly Muslim states? Hate.
A desire to decline to participate in a gay wedding ceremony for religious reasons? Hate.
The list will surely grow over time, as Mr. Beinart no doubt is aware. Of course, it may also be cut back, since all sorts of anti-Semitism that would have once been beyond the pale is now embraced by the campus left.
Of course he knows all this:
All of this fuels the fears of Trump supporters, who suspect that liberal bastions are refusing to protect their right to free speech. Joey Gibson, a Trump supporter who organized the June 4 Portland rally, told me that his “biggest pet peeve is when mayors have police stand down … They don’t want conservatives to be coming together and speaking.” To provide security at the rally, Gibson brought in a far-right militia called the Oath Keepers. In late June, James Buchal, the chair of the Multnomah County Republican Party, announced that it too would use militia members for security, because “volunteers don’t feel safe on the streets of Portland.”
Antifa believes it is pursuing the opposite of authoritarianism. Many of its activists oppose the very notion of a centralized state. But in the name of protecting the vulnerable, antifascists have granted themselves the authority to decide which Americans may publicly assemble and which may not. That authority rests on no democratic foundation. Unlike the politicians they revile, the men and women of antifa cannot be voted out of office. Generally, they don’t even disclose their names.
...
Revulsion, fear, and rage are understandable. But one thing is clear. The people preventing Republicans from safely assembling on the streets of Portland may consider themselves fierce opponents of the authoritarianism growing on the American right. In truth, however, they are its unlikeliest allies.
To that 'unlikely alliance' point the NY Times had some interesting "testimony against interest" from the low-credibility SPLC. The topic of the Jun 2 2017 story is the antifa and the recent rise of violent right-wing groups (my emphasis):
“There’s been a lot of organized violence on the part of the left against the right, so we have to organize,” Mr. Chapman said. “The purpose is to have a peaceful event. But if people are attacked, you have to be ready and willing to defend yourself and your right-wing brothers and sisters.”
This form of aggression is something researchers say they have not seen on such a scale before on the far right, where the chosen method of provocation for groups like neo-Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan is to demand the use of public space for rallies where they can spew racist and offensive language that is nonetheless protected as free speech.
“These are new people to us,” said Heidi Beirich, the Intelligence Project director for the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist movements.
Typically, the far-right groups they study will demonstrate but avoid confrontation, acting in a “defensive crouch,” she added.
“But saying, ‘We’re going to show up and we’re intending to get in fights,’ that’s a new thing,” Ms. Beirich said.
By way of example:
The Alt-Knights were initially conceived as a paramilitary wing of the Proud Boys, designed to provide protection for audiences listening to conservative speakers like Ann Coulter and Milo Yiannopoulos, whose public events have been canceled because of threats of violence.
I'll agree that the antifa is unlikely to murder anyone, other than perhaps as a predictable consequence of the escalating violence in which they engage. And I agree that they are unlikely to impose an anarchist government.
But since they are the ideological heirs to the communist goons of Europe and their current goal seems to be the suppression of right-wing speech, I think there are ample grounds to worry. Especially when informed liberals such as Mr. Beinart feel obliged to minimize the threat.
ON THE BRIGHTER SIDE: Some loons bob to the surface but the NY Times commenters are mostly anti-violence in this article about the antifa, showing a stronger respect for our First Amendment freedoms than the even-handed NY Times writers and editors.
ON THE DARKER SIDE: The sun and the moon: racist.
My mother, English department head at my junior high and also sponsor of the school newspaper, told us that the Oxford comma was dropped in newspaper articles because it was one less character for the typesetters (this was back when lead type was used).
So, we have journalists decades ago giving us early warning on their lack of appreciation for the finer points of civilization!
Posted by: Miss Marple the Deplorable | August 19, 2017 at 07:45 PM
Very interesting CNN link about antifa, cboldt. I'm a little more than half through, but it seems balanced.
That means they want it to stop.
Posted by: Extraneus | August 19, 2017 at 07:47 PM
Frau, thanks for that earlier info on the permit stuff. I'm well armed with facts now, though I want to see Clarice's take tomorrow. That Politifact slime pisses me off.
Posted by: jimmyk | August 19, 2017 at 07:47 PM
"Peace is our Profession"
From the guys with nukes. Beat that pussies.
Posted by: Jim Eagle | August 19, 2017 at 07:48 PM
>>>It boasts no equivalent to Attorney General Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III ...<<<
Sessions went after the klan when doing so was dangerous.
Posted by: rich | August 19, 2017 at 07:51 PM
Colt, Peacemaker.
Posted by: henry | August 19, 2017 at 07:51 PM
Sees Trump as Mussolini (literally) and an existential threat. Trump supporters are not holding "innocent opinion," rather we are a threat to humanity.
cboldt,
The left is absolutely nucking futz.
Posted by: Barbara | August 19, 2017 at 07:52 PM
Maybe, but they're even more so eucking fvil.
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | August 19, 2017 at 07:56 PM
Welp, after reading that whole CNN piece, which really was pretty good, I have to say, a few of them need to be killed. If a peaceful protester, carrying legally, is whipped and beaned with a bike lock, how can that not be grounds to shoot in self-defense?
Maybe the cops will step up before the peaceful protesters do.
Posted by: Extraneus | August 19, 2017 at 08:00 PM
Look at this! Now they are after William Shatner!!
https://twitter.com/kingaugustus/status/899030273865547776
Posted by: Miss Marple the Deplorable | August 19, 2017 at 08:00 PM
RalphL - whom am I to judge? Youm? No way...
Posted by: Frau Lehrerin a.D. | August 19, 2017 at 08:04 PM
Extraneous - you think that CNN piece is balanced? Picture or imagine if the group was advocating violence on account of Obama or Hillary. That CNN article is a puff piece. In damn soft terms, it pretends to be a clinical description, and at no point does it suggest that the initiating violence is wrong or immoral.
Posted by: cboldt | August 19, 2017 at 08:06 PM
IRS Commissioner Koskinen re-hired hundreds of IRS employees dismissed earlier.
Is there no one who can rid us of this man? His orange jumpsuit is ready.
Posted by: Frau Lehrerin a.D. | August 19, 2017 at 08:07 PM
They waited 2 innings after the 3rd SO in order to avoid putting up 3 K signs.
Posted by: Dave (in MA) | August 19, 2017 at 08:08 PM
it's what passes for balance, at Rupert pupkin,
except for Netanyahu jr. most everyone is wearing blinders
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/president-trump-is-right-again/
Posted by: narciso | August 19, 2017 at 08:10 PM
Suppose we ought to revisit all the debate talk of "accepting the results of the election"? Wow was that telling at the time.
>>>I'll agree that the antifa is unlikely to murder anyone, other than perhaps as a predictable consequence of the escalating violence in which they engage. And I agree that they are unlikely to impose an anarchist government.<<<
because maoists, marxists, and anarchists are not known to use murder to advance their agenda ...
so what big story did McAwful need covered up that he needed to gin up a national moral crisis of 90 year old monuments ...
Posted by: rich | August 19, 2017 at 08:11 PM
that's just crazy talk, you know the skydragon worshiping tech mogul from kingsman, doesn't seem so crazy anymore,
Posted by: narciso | August 19, 2017 at 08:13 PM
Interesting video from wictor:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caJ9pTTUXDY
Posted by: Clarice Feldman | August 19, 2017 at 08:16 PM
any movie recommendations? something light ... thinking Used Cars or Big Lebowski ...
Posted by: rich | August 19, 2017 at 08:16 PM
-- Suppose we ought to revisit all the debate talk of "accepting the results of the election"? --
We haven't found yet, how far "sore loser" goes. At this point it is limited to the press and DEMs finding that Trump supporters deserve beatings.
Posted by: cboldt | August 19, 2017 at 08:16 PM
Sebastian Gorka DrGVerified account @SebGorka
Sebastian Gorka DrG Retweeted Donald J. Trump
#FAKENEWSindustrialComplex - & all others who don't believe in #MAGA - have no idea what's about 2 happen.
Buckle up Establishment!
Gorka linked this tweet:
Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump
Steve Bannon will be a tough and smart new voice at @BreitbartNews...maybe even better than ever before. Fake News needs the competition!
10:47 AM - 19 Aug 2017
Posted by: Miss Marple the Deplorable | August 19, 2017 at 08:19 PM
Posted by: narciso | August 19, 2017 at 08:13 PM
I know. Awan's preliminary hearing was scheduled on August 21st ... but is going to be delayed until the end of the month or so (so the brothers can get out and the FBI can escort Imran to the Canadian boarder).
Posted by: rich | August 19, 2017 at 08:20 PM
Miss M, O'Keefe claims to be quiet because he is working on something. Time will tell.
Posted by: henry | August 19, 2017 at 08:23 PM
Test
Posted by: lyle | August 19, 2017 at 08:24 PM
>>>We haven't found yet, how far "sore loser" goes. At this point it is limited to the press and DEMs finding that Trump supporters deserve beatings.
Posted by: cboldt | August 19, 2017 at 08:16 PM<<<
That deserves a JOM YIKES!!!
The more radical and delusional fringe will probably start digging up then denouncing the Confederate War Veterans cemeteries around the South.
Really find their level-find people that won't fight or talk back.
Posted by: rich | August 19, 2017 at 08:26 PM
You also left out the GOPe, who is letting them know, they ought to be hitting harder.
Posted by: rich | August 19, 2017 at 08:28 PM
at no point does it suggest that the initiating violence is wrong or immoral.
I agree, but the piece didn't seem to get much into morality, except to blandly expose a slack-jawed lack of anything resembling it. And for CNN? I was surprised.
Posted by: Extraneus | August 19, 2017 at 08:29 PM
Clarice - I like Wictor's conclusion. And I do agree, antifa is a bunch of amateurs who are not as aware as they think they are. I'm not sure that picking them off onesey-twosey has much of an effect, even if those pinched get 20 years in the pokey.
That said, DOJ did a respectable job of tamping down KKK violence, and stifling recruiting. It can be done, and I have no doubt the will is there.
Posted by: cboldt | August 19, 2017 at 08:32 PM
I rented Used Cars, Big Lebowski, and Rouge One ...
Posted by: rich | August 19, 2017 at 08:33 PM
gosh, recent films that intentionally funny all throughout, that's a poser as they say,
Posted by: narciso | August 19, 2017 at 08:36 PM
I dunno about "unlikely to murder someone". A heavy hand on a steel bike lock about 15 inches long can crush a skull. And of course a baseball bat--given somebody who can hit a three bagger on a softball field just might put somebody "toes up' forever
Posted by: Comanche Voter | August 19, 2017 at 08:37 PM
antifa at the moment may have large numbers of young idiots, but the "intellectuals" writing their pieces ought to know far more about anarchism than "they don't want governments". Lots of blood on their hands, including the assasination attempts on American presidents in the past, not to mention depredations worldwide and the strong anarchist thought underlying the charming psychopaths in Cambodia.
Posted by: surburban gal | August 19, 2017 at 08:42 PM
narciso-
what? Used Cars?
An underappreciated classic. Guardians Vol 2 is out but a bit on the pricey side for this weekend. If it were 14.99 to buy, I think I would have pulled the trigger though. Which is odd, because I am pretty sure I bought Civil War at 19.99 and have only watched it twice.
Posted by: rich | August 19, 2017 at 08:44 PM
rich - oldie but goodie

Posted by: Frau Lehrerin a.D. | August 19, 2017 at 08:45 PM
including the assassination
attemptson American presidents in the pastPresident William McKinley
Posted by: rich | August 19, 2017 at 08:48 PM
we were on the same wavelengths, frau, sad one has to go back to when I was in highschool. the origin story, as john carpenter related to Robert rodriguez, was almost as bizarre,
Posted by: narciso | August 19, 2017 at 08:48 PM
I agree, Comanche. Living on as a vegetable is not the best of lives. These idiots have not envisioned life without trauma care.
How many of them have ever worried about where next month's rent will come from? My folks did.
I have no sympathy.
Posted by: Frau Lehrerin a.D. | August 19, 2017 at 08:49 PM
For Iggy -
http://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/dd5-9.jpg
Posted by: Frau Lehrerin a.D. | August 19, 2017 at 09:07 PM
no I'm not going to post that ...
Posted by: rich | August 19, 2017 at 09:15 PM
on FB -
What do we want?
Peace and Justice!
How do we get it?
Throw urine!
Posted by: Janet the expert 🚬 | August 19, 2017 at 09:15 PM
I watched Wictor's tape and it looks like fan fiction ... superhero cops on the beat and just ready to pounce ...
Posted by: rich | August 19, 2017 at 09:16 PM
all the while they had a big throw down in Chartollesville and followed up with part 2 in Boston-that hot bed of white nationalism and the heart of the Southern Confederacy ... every store is sold out of white sheets and a burning cross on every street corner.
Posted by: rich | August 19, 2017 at 09:19 PM
Chartollesville -> Charlottesville
Posted by: rich | August 19, 2017 at 09:21 PM
RedSox 3, Yankeeeees 4, top of the 8th
Posted by: cboldt | August 19, 2017 at 09:25 PM
Secretary Mnuchin defends the President and himself from charges that the President supports neo-Nazis. It is amazing to me that he even had to say this. Glad to see he calls out the media:
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/899056093497896960/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftheconservativetreehouse.com%2F2017%2F08%2F19%2Faugust-19th-2017-presidential-politics-trump-administration-day-212%2Fcomment-page-7%2F%23comments
Posted by: Miss Marple the Deplorable | August 19, 2017 at 09:26 PM
I love this White House. Dan Scavino is goin to war!
Dan Scavino Jr.Verified account @DanScavino
Hang in there @MittRomney! Sorry for delay in getting you this video @ Trump Tower last Nov, after dinner w/PE @realDonaldTrump. Here it is.
(Video at link.)
https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/898760874118135808/video/1
=====================
Scavino: Boss, I mean Mr. President, did you know I have video of Romney saved?
President Trump: No kidding? Let me see it.
Both: HAHAHA! Let's run that sucker on Twitter!
Posted by: Miss Marple the Deplorable | August 19, 2017 at 09:31 PM
Who could root for the Yankees?
Sad.
Posted by: rich | August 19, 2017 at 09:31 PM
Could be, rich, but I think he knows what he's talking about. I'm no expert though.
Posted by: Clarice Feldman | August 19, 2017 at 09:32 PM
Arsenic and Old Lace (Cary Grant), Groundhog Day (Bill Murray), Trading Places (on cable this weekend), My Cousin Vinny and Crazy, Stupid Love (both with Marisa Tomei)
Posted by: DebinGA | August 19, 2017 at 09:32 PM
the Nats down 2 ... crud ... looking like movie night is the better bet.
Posted by: rich | August 19, 2017 at 09:33 PM
Lyle and Frau:
Please provide us with updates as you get them from relatives or friends attending.
Anonamom :would also like your partner's impressions.
Posted by: maryrose | August 19, 2017 at 09:34 PM
Nocturnal Animals is on HBO.
Posted by: maryrose | August 19, 2017 at 09:35 PM
Rich:
My dad was a lifelong Yankees fan because he was born in Syracuse.
He disliked the Cleveland Indians.
Posted by: maryrose | August 19, 2017 at 09:37 PM
America Is Struggling to Sort Out Where `Violence' Begins and Ends
More "speech can be violence" nonsense.
Rising? Risible!
Posted by: cboldt | August 19, 2017 at 09:39 PM
I remember being taken to more than one game in Yankee Stadium. Didn't appreciate how special it was to sit a few seats behind the Yankee dugout, and see the likes of Roger Marris and Yogi Berra. No idea how the games ended, all I cared about was the food and drinks.
Posted by: cboldt | August 19, 2017 at 09:42 PM
>>>Could be, rich, but I think he knows what he's talking about. I'm no expert though.
Posted by: Clarice Feldman | August 19, 2017 at 09:32 PM<<<
I'm skeptical. It could be, but I would look to state police forces ... most specifically Washington (for the fear the "antifa" will graduate to bombings) ... and I would find it unlikely WA (or any other state really) would get permission to operate a surveillance investigation in VA.
It could very well be that the people he fingered in the vid were ATF or FBI, but then to what end? A fuck up like the Mongols Trial or an uncontrolled asset like in Garland ... maybe, just maybe, the federal government isn't the answer.
Posted by: rich | August 19, 2017 at 09:45 PM
here smod, here smod:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4802926/THREE-MILE-wide-asteroid-set-graze-past-Earth-Sept-1.html
Posted by: narciso | August 19, 2017 at 09:47 PM
MM,
Its what the media want, a debate that they think they control. However, I think they are also overrated when it comes to intellect to compete. I give you the Stephen Miller to do with Jim Acosta. Who do they have to man the big guns? Lester Holt? Please. Wolf? LOL.
Bring it on snowflakes.
Posted by: Jim Eagle | August 19, 2017 at 09:47 PM
>>>Nocturnal Animals is on HBO.
Posted by: maryrose | August 19, 2017 at 09:35 PM<<<
My friends made the big time!
Posted by: rich | August 19, 2017 at 09:47 PM
Movie recommendation is "Local Hero"
Posted by: mike in houston | August 19, 2017 at 09:49 PM
--It can be done, and I have no doubt the will is there.--
I have no doubt the desire is there in theory, but the will? Hmm....
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | August 19, 2017 at 09:52 PM
speech itself can be a form of violence, one every bit as meaningful as the physical kind.
So I can call the constabularies and press charges for SJW verbal idiocy as battery? Really?
Posted by: DrJ | August 19, 2017 at 09:58 PM
I do not recommend Eagle Eye which I got sucked into watching this evening and waiting patiently for it to end on TBS.
Posted by: Jim Eagle | August 19, 2017 at 10:04 PM
"Local Hero" is a marvelous movie; "Gregory's Girl
is another one with a Scot setting, also terrific (and funny). For entirely funny, I recommend "The Lady Eve" (Henry Fonda, Barbara Stanwyck, loads of the best of Hollywood's character actors, including William Demarest).
JiB, you know, as per last thread, that any ladies' lingerie concern should be called "Eulalie Soeurs"!
Posted by: Catsmeat | August 19, 2017 at 10:04 PM
OMG, a Roderick Spode reference at the same time we are discussing alt-Nazis:)
Posted by: Jim Eagle | August 19, 2017 at 10:11 PM
TM is getting his money's worth. 8th and 9th (so far) innings were exciting baseball. Bottom of 9th coming up, Yanks still ahead 4-3
Posted by: cboldt | August 19, 2017 at 10:12 PM
Shout out to Momto2; hang in there, woman. WarDamnEagle !!!
* * *
BoE, in honor of your PeeWee drink from earlier in the day I think I'll try out a Greyhound -- vodka & grapefruit juice. On that note, I think I'm out. Y'all hold down the fort.
Posted by: RattlerGator | August 19, 2017 at 10:14 PM
Yes even Michele monaghan can't save it and the computer is the voice of julianne moore. Yet another argument against autonomous ais
Posted by: narciso. | August 19, 2017 at 10:15 PM
BlackBloc has nothing on the "Black Shorts".
Posted by: Jim Eagle | August 19, 2017 at 10:21 PM
Oh, yes, on Local Hero!
Posted by: Frau Lehrerin a.D. | August 19, 2017 at 10:25 PM
And need less to say, morose shia doesn't work, then again this summer was a bust for practically every film except guardians and wonder woman.
Posted by: narciso. | August 19, 2017 at 10:26 PM
Bottom of 9th was quick and boring. Yanks win.
So, I just read the letter from 300 Yale grads, to Mnuchin, demanding he resign. Are all Yale grads that mendacious? That letter is outrageous.
Mnuchin provided a civil response.
Posted by: cboldt | August 19, 2017 at 10:26 PM
any movie recommendations? something light
Kingpin
Posted by: Captain Hate | August 19, 2017 at 10:29 PM
Suck it, Sox.
Posted by: Captain Hate | August 19, 2017 at 10:30 PM
As the revolt of the "eli(tes)" begins. I end it for the night.
Sweet dreams all. Slaap lekker, tot morgen.
Posted by: Jim Eagle | August 19, 2017 at 10:30 PM
Something light?
Why rich, you might give The Miracle of Morgan's Creek a try.
Has a wonderful character in it. :)
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | August 19, 2017 at 10:32 PM
any movie recommendations? something light
"Thirty two short films about Glenn Gould" is fun if you like Bach. NTTAWWT. :)
Posted by: DrJ | August 19, 2017 at 10:33 PM
CNN gives the full text of Mnuchin's response, worth a visit. Read it. Contrast with the letter he is responding to.
These writings belong in history books, and today, they should be used as current events discussion material in middle and high schools. Not as an excuse to argue, but rather as studies in style, substance, and accuracy.
Posted by: cboldt | August 19, 2017 at 10:34 PM
Yeah, go with that:
https://mobile.twitter.com/nytclimate/status/8987278862906490885
Posted by: narciso. | August 19, 2017 at 10:36 PM
MeTV's Svenghouli has Boris Karloff and Bela Lugosi in "Invisible Ray," followed by Batman and Outer Limits.
Posted by: cboldt | August 19, 2017 at 10:38 PM
What the heck:
https://mobile.twitter.com/FirstNewsHQ/status/899087817858576384?p=v
Posted by: narciso. | August 19, 2017 at 10:40 PM
Mnuchin has a lot more patience than I do and was considerably more verbose than I would have been.
My response would have consisted of seven letters comprising two words.
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | August 19, 2017 at 10:41 PM
any movie recommendations? something light
Con Air
Tremors
Posted by: Janet the expert 🚬 | August 19, 2017 at 10:41 PM
Death at a Funeral (the original 2007 one)
Ghost Town (2008 with Ricky Gervais)
Posted by: Janet the expert 🚬 | August 19, 2017 at 10:45 PM
Heading to bed.
Nytol!
Posted by: Miss Marple the Deplorable | August 19, 2017 at 10:46 PM
Ignatz - I am fascinated by how the press represents the letter and the response, essentially by NOT providing the complete contents of either. As if the letter he is responding to deserves serious consideration.
And too, Mnuchin chose his words carefully. He did not denounce the KKK for example, and a fair reading of what he wrote condemns antifa and its mainstream DEM supporters.
I think his letter is a well done takedown, including the inference they are sore losers who lack the cajones to argue on substance.
Posted by: cboldt | August 19, 2017 at 10:47 PM
Has anyone here seen Ghost World?
Posted by: Captain Hate | August 19, 2017 at 10:49 PM
I agree completely, cboldt.
Just wouldn't spend the time on a bunch of dishonest, Pecksniffian, Yaley twats, myself.
No offense, henry.
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | August 19, 2017 at 10:52 PM
The letter wasn't for them, it was for us.
Posted by: cboldt | August 19, 2017 at 10:55 PM
Ignatz - I am fascinated by how the press represents the letter and the response, essentially by NOT providing the complete contents of either.
The gatekeepers of what gets disseminated to us, thereby controlling the narrative. Trump refused to play that game and goes directly to the people with Twitter.
Posted by: Captain Hate | August 19, 2017 at 10:58 PM
rich, this is being consumed as I type; just ok
https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/205/40177/#navigation
Good recs from Janet but you really need to see Ghost World.
Posted by: Captain Hate | August 19, 2017 at 11:01 PM
How about "The thin Man?" William Powell, Myrna Loy. And Asta!
Posted by: DrJ | August 19, 2017 at 11:16 PM
Any of the The Thin Man films, DrJ. It's fun just to see all the character actors in them. Of course, in one of them a young Jimmy Stewart plays the surprise killer.
Posted by: Frau Kino | August 19, 2017 at 11:21 PM
I'd never even heard of Ghost World, Cap, but looked it up and it sounds not only interesting but kind of unPC.
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | August 19, 2017 at 11:22 PM
That's After the Thin Man, Frau, the second and probably my favorite. After the original and the second one the quality declines as the series lengthens, but they're all fun.
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | August 19, 2017 at 11:24 PM
--The letter wasn't for them, it was for us.--
Guess I'm not as publicly spirited as I might be.
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | August 19, 2017 at 11:26 PM
Hopelessly behind, this was doubtless covered. Another killing the media won't focus on.
http://bejohngalt.com/2017/08/real-news-the-msm-wont-report/
In Kissimmee, Florida two police officers (one black and one white) were shot and killed in an ambush yesterday. The suspect: a black man, apparently a convert to Islam, who. according to his now-deleted Facebook account, hates President Trump, the police and whites in general. This rune contrary to all the favorite memes of CNN and the rest of the liberal media: 1) police oppression of blacks; 2) Islamophobia and 3) only whites on the right commit racial violence.
This will receive about as much media coverage as the Pennsylvania Trump-hater who shot and killed his Republican committeeman neighbor last week – none.
Posted by: JimNorCal | August 19, 2017 at 11:35 PM
You should check it out, Iggy; it's pretty unique. It had a special draw for me because I knew someone just like Steve Buscemi's character (hell, there are a lot of things about him that are like me; but only some...) but on the whole it's oddly endearing. It was too unformulaic to ever get the critics all jiggy but I'm sure some of the better ones liked it.
Posted by: Captain Hate | August 19, 2017 at 11:40 PM
Yale grads are too special to have to read original transcripts.
Posted by: Clarice Feldman | August 19, 2017 at 11:42 PM
Wiki said the critics loved it, CH.
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | August 19, 2017 at 11:42 PM