Will NY Times Reporter Now Correct Her Correction On Antifa and Hate?

Let's excerpt this from Nancy Pelosi's statement condemning the violence of the antifa, operating with near impunity in her home district (my emphasis):

“In California, as across all of our great nation, we have deep reverence for the Constitutional right to peaceful dissent and free speech.  Non-violence is fundamental to that right.  Let us use this sad event to reaffirm that we must never fight hate with hate, and to remember the values of peace, openness and justice that represent the best of America.”

Whoa, that is quite a deviation from the left-wing talking points! Per the script, the antifa aren't haters, they are standing up to hate. Those are fists of love!

Or at least, when Sheryl Gay Stolberg of the failing NY Times made that same observation about hate on both sides she was beaten into conformity by her leftist critics on Twitter.

Her offense:

2. The hard left seemed as hate-filled as alt-right. I saw club-wielding "antifa" beating white nationalists being led out of the park 2/2

And after the crowd roared, her sprint-back:

Rethinking this. Should have said violent, not hate-filled. They were standing up to hate.

Well, maybe Nancy Pelosi will fold up like an equally cheap suitcase.

Comments

[daddy]

Ichi!

[henry]

Nah, the Judge ruled it's safer if the NYT reporters stay stoopid.

[DrJ]

Och!

[GUS]

Hate is a thought.
Violence is an action.

The stupid bitch must not know about STICKS and STONES......etc etc.

The LEFT (FULL COMMIE) has allowed and cheered on VIOLENCE as a means to stop THOUGHT.

Chew on that friends. The mf'ers have supported VIOLENCE as a means to shut down "HATE".

[cboldt]

henry - the question of endorsing peace through violence isn't a question of legal jeopardy. It's a question of pandering jeopardy. Virtue signaling has to be "just so."

As all leftists know, one cannot "stand up to hate" and "harbor hate" at the same time.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

It all depends on the definition of "hate" doesn't it?

The press should be careful. If we adopt these new rules, I can think of a few reporters who need to be beat strongly around the head and shoulders.

Looking at you, Acosta.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIfpIfOWsAQR-5J.jpg

Crowd in line to get in to hear the President.

[cboldt]

Let us use this sad event to reaffirm that we must never fight hate with hate ...

Good thing she didn't rule out fighting hate with violence. Peolisi is green-lighting antifa.

[cboldt]

Our democracy has no room for inciting violence or endangering the public ...

Patriot Prayer, she's looking at you ...

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/30/theres-a-simple-reason-women-journalists-attacked-melanias-footwear-guest-tells-tucker-theyre-harpies/?utm_source=site-share

Tammy Bruce never pulls any punches.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Milo chimes in on Lynn Yaeger, and boy, like a lot of gay guys, he is VERY good at slicing and dicing!

https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/08/meet-the-vogue-writer-who-criticized-flotuss-shoes-warning-graphic/

Warning! There are pictures!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

They are having a class on how to protest President Trump in Springfield today.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIfrwkoWAAAHEr5.jpg:large

Look how they all have American flags as a disguise. Morons.

[cboldt]

blunt-cut bobs ...

Reminds me of Smothers Brothers "My Old Man's a Sailor," and the stanza that goes "My old man's a cotton pickin' finger lickin' chicken plucker, what do you think about that?"

You better not make a mistake ...

[narciso]

I feel aggressed by that nameless horror, by nyarthalop

https://althouse.blogspot.com/2017/08/which-statues-need-to-come-down-line.html

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Cboldt from the last thread;

--The upshot of the collection, in Rakoff's terms, is that defamation requires mens rea; e.g., serious doubt the statement is true.--

Yeah, who could possibly have any doubt serious or otherwise that a loony tune leftwing nutjob started shooting people because of a political ad he probably did not even see which "targeted" several congressional districts?

[matt, deplore me if you must]

I love the little Hitler moustache on the thing from Vogue. I would have thought she was a bag lady if not identified.

How many nits can a nitwick pick if a nitwit could pick nits?

[Extraneus]

The SPLC is targeting entire cities because 2 wannabe Nazis met at a diner for coffee. And SPLC's targets have actually led to real violence.

[Extraneus]

Feinstein Booed in San Francisco for Saying Trump Could Be a ‘Good President’

[Extraneus]

Overblown hype about Court scheduling oral argument in dismissal of Arpaio conviction

Specifically, Arpaio sought not only to have the conviction vacated, but all other Orders in the case:

Pursuant to Fed.R.Crim.P. 48 inter alia, Defendant Joseph M. Arpaio (“Defendant”) respectfully moves to vacate the verdict and all other orders in this matter, as well as the Sentencing on October 5th, and to dismiss this matter with prejudice. This Motion is made on the grounds that on August 25th, 2017, the President of the United States of America issued a full and unconditional pardon of Defendant. A copy of the Executive Grant of Clemency is submitted to the Court as Exhibit “A” hereto, and incorporated as if set forth herein. The President’s pardon moots the case, and it warrants an automatic vacatur of all opinions, judgments, and verdicts related to the criminal charge….

The Judge in the case, who made the criminal contempt finding, has issued an order (pdf.) to hold oral argument on the motion to dismiss, as the Arizona Republic reports, Judge won’t vacate Arpaio’s contempt conviction without oral arguments:

Judge's stuff at the link.

This report has led to furious speculation that the Judge will contest the legal effect of the pardon on Arpaio’s conviction.

Leading this charge is Jennifer Rubin of the Washington Post, who writes Legal challenge to Arpaio pardon begins (italics in original):

After President Trump’s pardon of ex-sheriff Joe Arpaio, who had been convicted of criminal contempt for violating a court order designed to stop the violation of the constitutional rights of suspected illegal immigrants, conventional wisdom — and certainly the Trump administration — would have us believe that Trump’s pardon powers are unlimited. However, never before has someone stretched the pardon power so beyond its original intent. Trump has now drawn scrutiny not simply from critics of his racist rhetoric but from the court itself.

[quoting Arizona Republic article linked above]

In other words, this is no slam dunk….

Etc.

[Extraneus]

Prof. Jacobson at the end:

Again, I can’t read the Judge’s mind, but the scheduling of oral argument does not appear to be controversial or unexpected — Arpaio seeks to vacate not just the conviction but all prior orders in the case, and Arpaio’s own lawyers recognized that oral argument would be needed and so requested.

In other words, the hoopla about the scheduling of oral argument appears to be just political hype.

[Porchlight]

2 wannabe Nazis *reportedly* met at a diner for coffee.

What the hell is this country coming to.

[Extraneus]

True. They say it was "confirmed." I say they should be sued.

[Extraneus]

Another SPLC fan:

BREAKING: Trump Hater Threatens to Shoot President at Austin Airport-Secret Service Investigating, “I Will Go Down in History Today”

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

With President Trump: Steve Mnuchin, Wilbur Ross, Linda McMahaon, Senator Blunt, Governor and Lt. Governor, and a bunch of Congressmen.

[Porchlight]

Ext, I was worried about something like that happening in this Godforsaken town.

[narciso.]

Yes about those CIA findings

www.tabletmag.com/scroll/212105/declassified-cia-briefings-us-yom-kippur-war-israel

The left out angletons discoveries but still.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/29/us/volunteer-rescue-crews-hurricane-harvey-houston.html?emc=edit_th_20170830&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=51066019&referer=

One good thing about Harvey: some of these reporters get a real taste of America instead of their cartoon versions.

[henry]

Nice Trump... McCaskell votes for tax reform, or your guys vote her out. (hehehe... now he can use it on McTurtle)

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Also there, Ivanka and General Kelly, whom I am beginning to think Trump likes to call General at every opportunity.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

henry,

I think this is a good speech explaining the principles of the tax reforms and cuts and why it is good for workers.

[DebinGA]

Where's Cruz? Iirc his church is Second Baptist Houston - 20,000+ members.

[henry]

Yes Miss M. Excellent teaching going on. MSM will call it all hate filled racism.

[Momto2]

BREAKING: Trump Hater Threatens to Shoot President at Austin Airport-Secret Service Investigating, “I Will Go Down in History Today” (fixed)

[henry]

It will be interesting to see if he gets this plan through, or the Donohue Chamber of Cronies keeps their piece of the action.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

I saw on Twitter Paul Ryan chimed in allegedly supporting it real quick.

Talk is cheap, Ryan.

Deeds, not words.

[henry]

I sure Ryan has a "Better Way" to reform taxes in his pocket. One that Donohue wrote for him.

[GUS]

Has RODHAM'S brother gotten the cell phone concession in Houston yet??

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Ann Coulter on Twitter informs me that the speech is the worst and most tone-deaf Trump has ever given, and the tax reform is for Wall Street and not the middle class.

I detect a pattern here with her and the alt-right media. They have now gotten as much money as they can from naive Trump supporters, so they have decided to "convert" and fleece the left.

I am sick of these people. They don't care about anything except money and fame. Coulter is a disgrace.

[henry]

Coulter is just mad she will lose her NY state/city income tax deductions from her federal returns. Move somewhere sane there slick, get out of your stupid city.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Here are Ryan's tweets:

Paul Ryan‏Verified account @SpeakerRyan 34m34 minutes ago

.@POTUS is absolutely right. America’s tax code is way too complicated. Congress is committed to working w/ the @WhiteHouse to simplify it.
613 replies 153 retweets 612 likes
Paul Ryan‏Verified account @SpeakerRyan 26m26 minutes ago

This Congress and the Trump administration are in sync → Let's make sure that American companies stay, grow, and hire in America. 🇺🇸
196 replies 70 retweets 287 likes
Paul Ryan‏Verified account @SpeakerRyan 16m16 minutes ago

Thank you, Mr. President, for calling for a level playing field for American workers & job creators. The time for major tax reform has come.
200 replies 36 retweets 167 likes

[lyle]

Your (weekly-ish) George Neumayr!

https://spectator.org/the-media-any-stick-will-do-against-trump/

[mike in houston]

This is interesting. DDE's answer to a man who complained that Eisenhower kept a picture of REL in his office

Eisenhower
August 9, 1960

Dear Dr. Scott:

Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.

From deep conviction, I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s calibre would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the Nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.

Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.

Sincerely,

Dwight D. Eisenhower

[Old Lurker]

Thanks Mike. That was wonderful. Wish I had been half that well spoken last week when I was preaching to my kids why they must not "hate" the Confederates which whose statues they had grown up, and why those who did were revealing how shallow and unread they all are.

[Old Lurker]

What do our lawyers think of this take?:

https://lawnewz.com/high-profile/not-so-fast-why-palin-could-win-on-appeal-against-the-new-york-times/

[mike in houston]

OL here is the source of the DDE letter for your kids to read

http://www.civilwarprofiles.com/dwight-d-eisenhower-in-defense-of-robert-e-lee/

[Rocco]

I saw on Twitter Paul Ryan chimed in allegedly supporting it real quick.

Tax reform or the assassination threat?

[Old Lurker]

Didn't Paul Ryan speak out often about needing to repeal Obamacare before he didn't?

Thought so.

Fem.

[Old Lurker]

Thanks Mike.

You dry?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Old Lurker,

True. I told him that we were watching and that talking is easy; we want results. Plus no shenanigans, as we are watching.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

John McNaughton paints President Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMNmESpor6w&t=11s

He says this is the look he has when Fake News is at it again.

[Old Lurker]

As usual, you are too polite, MM.

I would tell Ryan that he has lied through his teeth way too many times and that we are sick and tired of his using his office for his own political gains and unrealistic pipe dreams ideas of offices he might achieve, and we are sick and tired of his backstabbing our President and the MAGA Agenda, and he can take himself and his GS wifey poo and get out of town before I lock him in that house James has for creeps like him.

There. Isn't that what you meant to say?

[Clarice Feldman]

OL, I agree with that article and I think it clear cboldt does.

[Old Lurker]

Thanks C. I thought you would and cboldt too. Now if we can just get TC to get on board...

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Actually, you are closer to my heart on this, Old Lurker.

It's just that I don't want the Secret Service knocking on my door. LOL!

[Old Lurker]

:-) MM.

Thought so.

[cboldt]

OL - I thought the "Rakoff got it wrong" article is fine, meaning I agree with the author's findings that Rakoff was weighing evidence, and where he is supposed to take everything most favorable to plaintiff, he didn't.

He also added an overarching flaw, that Palin didn't name living breathing human beings - and then he concluded that even if she amended the complaint to remedy that, no jury would find for her - that the evidence pertaining to the authors conduct cannot possibly be read as reckless disregard.

Appellate courts have set up this method of dealing with first amendment cases, whereby the appellate courts MUST step into the shoes of the jury. Harte-Hanks Communs. v. Connaughton, 491 U.S. 657 (1989) is the case Rakoff cited, that deals with "willfully overlooking information."

Comical, in a way. The courts have set standards for their own conduct, and the courts can't follow their own rules.

[Old Lurker]

Thanks cboldt.

Hope she appeals.

Hope she wins.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

I am watching the Army Blackhawk guys lift up a family and their dog from a rooftop.

Mother, father, son, daughter, and Chihuahua in a carrier, lifted up in a basket.

Little girl was crying because she was afraid for the dog. All smiles when he came up.

Father was the last one up. Good job, Army!

[cboldt]

OL - I disagree with some slop in the article's presentation. "Actual malice" is a term of art that embodies EITHER 1) knowing the statement is false or 2) reckless disregard. Finding "actual malice" does not depend on finding spite, ill will or any motive at all. At any rate, if reckless disregard is proved, that constitutes proof of actual malice. The terms are synonymous, in a way.

I think there is a fair argument that the authors knew or believed the statement was false (or did not believe it was true), but short of asking them point blank, I don't what sort of evidence would be alleged in a pleading to allow that inquiry to proceed to a jury. Maybe cite the footnote and allege that you will prove at trial that the NYT authors either read it, or knew the contents.

I'd have to study the case law and Rakoff's opinion in more detail to conjure up a summary of why Rakoff is wrong, in my own words. Sufficient to say, I think, the case should go to a jury to decide if the NYT authors are lying, at the very least.

[anonamom]

My take--the fact that the editorialists assumed Palin was guilty of incitement, and did not even bother to look for exonerating evidence, shows malice.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Daughter just got home. She took a claim today from a business in Houston that lost 17 trucks, all flooded out.

[cboldt]

Where did the defamatory allegation in the NYT article come from? Who is the source? The context of the Connaughton case has the reporters repeating a fact reported to them by a liar; and liability attached because the reporters deliberately avoided asking one particular witness for information. They feared that witness would contradict the juicy story.

I think the analysis changes, and the case law is "off," when the allegation comes out of the writer's own head.

Separately, I notice Rakoff's analysis on pp23-25, where there are some editorials making the same false linkage the defamatory piece does. This sets up a question I asked earlier. If all the reports in the world are false and defamatory, Rackoff's proposed test would find independent existence of the lie to work as protection for the liars. If the author of a defamatory piece can find one other liar, he's protected.

[Old Lurker]

Who runs a business and lets 17 trucks get flooded in a storm all saw coming?

[Clarice Feldman]

cboldt, I'd love to see a jury when Bennet testifies he didn't know that Pallin supported the candidate running against his brother.

[cboldt]

A little creepy, but fascinating ...
Killer Ants Snap Their Spring-Loaded Jaws 700 Times Faster Than You Can Blink

[cboldt]

Clarice - I think Palin will press on. I don't see this case taking an emotional toll on her, and I would guess the legal fees are manageable at least, if not fully paid without question or concern.

Do we know where the defamatory allegation came from, in this particular piece?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Kamela Harris aide arrested last year for claiming to run a Masonic Police Force over 3000 years old.

https://twitter.com/chiIIum/status/903011805894774796

All-righty, then.

[mike in houston]

H/T Powerline

While 10 million people live in the coastal areas hit by the brunt of the storm, only 300,000 lost electricity. The resiliency of the Texas grid has been remarkable. Partly that is the result of Texas deregulating its electricity market much more seriously than any other state, and investing well over $10 billion over the last 15 years to upgrade its transmission infrastructure.

[Janeprobably about 10 minutes after getting there]

Just got back from Regent Park, which is a theater outdoors in the center of London. We saw Jesus Christ superstar with a bunch of friends. Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice were at the performance last night, and rice has said that this addition in London is the best performance of Jesus Christ superstar that he has ever seen. As you know it was created in the 70s. It was cold cold cold and my shoes really hurt, my goodness it was spectacular. And Jesus was as good-looking as you can imagine. I've actually never seen it before but it was absolutely mind blowing in.

[Janeprobably about 10 minutes after getting there]

We leave tomorrow so I'll have no Internet for a week and therefore I won't bore you with stories that summon up the never trump angst. Hope everybody has a good week.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Jane,

Have enjoyed your reports from London. Glad you got to see the Churchill War Rooms, one of my favorite attractions in London.

Have a great cruise! You can give Kevin Williamson the raspberries from me. LOL!

[Tom Maguire]

A little creepy, but fascinating ... Killer Ants Snap Their Spring-Loaded Jaws 700 Times Faster Than You Can Blink

Fake Science! if killer ants are biting me (or about to!) I'm not blinking - my eye are shut so tight I... they... well, anyway, they're shut real tight. No blinking involved.

[Bubarooni]

"Will NY Times Reporter Now Correct Her Correction On Antifa and Hate?"

I'm sitting here watching Pelosi say the Antifa types are bad.

I'm telling you right now the Dems are polling this internally and it's gotta be absolutely dreadful numbers.

[henry]

Eyes closed? I'm on scan for bug spray. Chemical warfare is appropriate where killer ants are concerned. Or fire in a pinch.

[Thomas Collins]

You don't need me, OL. Justices cboldt and Clarice have outvoted me!

[Davod]

Forget about the NY Times reporter. What about Romney, McCain, Flake and Ryan?

[GUS]

The War Rooms are just round the corner from 10 Downing St. Jane, you should drop by for some TEA!

[Bubarooni]

Lived in Dallas in the early '80's. Shared a house with a bunch a dudes.

'killer ants'

Had a 'Jungle Juice' party one weekend.

The next morning I was the guy that got up early. As I was surveying the damage, I saw a bottle of white lightening that hadn't been opened.

I picked it up, walked outside and in a moment of genius, removed the top and and jammed it straight into a Fire Ant hill.

The next day they were gone.

Back then you could get, for free from the state, a white powder that was supposed to run them off but which they actually picked up and seemed to take down into the colony and eat and grow stronger.

It was one of my early lessons into doubting government is always right.

[Ralph L]

Jesus Christ! Scroll down.

Some confusion but I think it's officially Regent's Park, planned by George IV when Prince Regent.

[cboldt]

But those ants had one hell of a party. So drunk they couldn't find their way home.

[Clarice Feldman]

Bubaroni--ithey must see the death notices flashing before their eyes.

[Ralph L]

A college friend's parents had been Baptist missionaries in South America Guyana? (later Greneda until '81) when they had an ant problem. Authorities pooh-poohed it until finally one came out. Their entire house was covered in ants. Can't remember how they got rid of them.

[Captain Hate]

Buckeye,

Mrs. H came home 2 weeks ago last night. It was a perfect day to go to Malabar Farms Restaurant. SR 603 is such a fun up and down drive. Stopped at Grandpa's Cheesebarn in Ashland on the way back for a care package.

[Clarice Feldman]

cboldt, my memory flickers, but I believe Krugman was the first liar about Pallin and Giffords.

[Bubarooni]

cboldt, it's happened to me when white lightening was involved.

[Clarice Feldman]

I'd be willing to bet counsel for Pallin is not charging her for this service.

[narciso.]

Yes comandante krugman waa the one:

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/08/30/splc-warns-of-turmoil-and-bloodshed-with-new-map-identifying-confederate-monuments-cities-middle-schools/

What could go wrong?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2017/08/suddenly-antifa-does-equal-nazis.html?spref=tw

[Bubarooni]

Clarice, come to think, it happened to me when drinking that devils brew.

Hard to fault the ants for the revelation!

[Bubarooni]

I'll never forget inviting my bro down to visit.

I said something along the lines of 'see that 2 foot tall mound. them's be fire ants. don't f*ck wif 'em.'

He, of course, walked up and kicked it.

1 minute later he was in my front yard pulling his pants off and crying.

For the record, we were laughing with him and not at him.

[narciso.]

Who even knew there was a monsoon in Mumbai, much less Niger:
https://mobile.twitter.com/alimhaider/status/903010680311353346?p=v

Its mostly desert. Didn't you see the opening to hitman?

[Jim Eagle]

Back from parent indoctrination or rather parent orientation at Frederick's new school - McGann-Mercy.

mikeinHouston, Texas has its own separate grid interconnected to the NERC but it keeps its electrical grid safe and secure.

[narciso.]

This is why that story has gone down the memory whole

www.elperiodico.com/es/politica/20170831/mossos-recibieron-alerta-atentado-cia-25-mayo-6255194

[Captain Hate]

The ewok must have had a gun pointed at him to force him to write this:

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=371358

[Bubarooni]

"Back from parent indoctrination or rather parent orientation at Frederick's new school - McGann-Mercy."

There's a story in there JiB. Don't hold back.

I'm a bit interested as I went to one last week for my sophomore daughter at the local public high school.

[cboldt]

Clarice - my question wasn't first who came up with it ever. It was for purposes of that particular OpEd, where did the author get the "fact?" From testimony in the Palin v NYT case, the "fact" didn't come any of the footnoted articles - the authors did not read any of the footnoted articles, for any purpose.

[Captain Hate]

Has anybody mentioned that Dondi is urging people to take in Venezuelans while Pelosi Galore has denounced Antifa? Any questions about just how stupid the GOP is?

[Bubarooni]

I'm on edge, JiB.

I'm about 8 miles west of a BIG10 school and both the High Schools in that town are inhabitated by frustratred and wanna be Education Majors.

Transgender bathrooms are all the rage over there.

My daughter's Algebra II teacher still cares only about math so the infection hasn't spread west but I'm still concerned.

[narciso.]

Remember gotham city under bane, with scarecrow as hanging judge, that what's life is like in Venezuela now, sasse can't be bothered to give a farthing, but yes poor timing on his part.

[Clarice Feldman]

Good point, cboldt.