Graham-Cassidy Health Care Bill

I know a lot more about Butch Cassidy than i do about Graham-Cassidy. I had assumed it was a risen-from-the-ashes yet DOA poll driven attempt to salvage the reputations of the feckless Republican "leadership" that had promised for seven years to repeal Obamacare.

But maybe it's not DOA and maybe there's something to it. Thoughts?

Comments

[maryrose]

First

[maryrose]

Last ditch effort will pass with lucrative side deals for the holdouts.
Rand Paul will not be bought but we may get Heitkamp and Manchin.

[daddy]

Which one's "Butch"?

[henry]

I prefer Butch Cassidy

[daddy]

For the record, our "Independent" Alaskan Governor is opposed to Graham-Cassidy's Repeal:

Headline: Walker joins other governors in opposition to latest ACA repeal attempt,

and the standard rabble protesters are out front of Lisa Murkowski's Office demanding she Vote No:

Health care coalition protests latest ACA repeal bill

Last I heard Lisa M said she has to study the plan to decide if she likes it.

[henry]

However, from TM's Politico link, the end of the Medicaid expansion and conversion to population based block grants (eat it Kasich) is helpful, waivers by state for "essential benefits" (including preexisting conditions?) might reduce premiums for employers. sucks less than the last one. still confirms the govt place in healthcare.

[daddy]

Speaking of Butch and Sundance,

29 Homicides in the town of Anchorage as of this morning. (Population 298,500)

Can you guys top that in your towns?

[Clarice Feldman]

Then ANwT will fie,daddy?

[GUS]

So the solution to OBAMACARE is the FEDERAL FEDERAL FEDERAL govt, sending money to THE STATES, for purposes of GOVERNMENT ENTITLEMENT.

GOOD PLAN!!!! LISPY GRAHAM IS A CONSERVATIVE

[caro]

I usually speak Clarice, but...
Then ANWR will fly....?

[Clarice Feldman]

Have you read McCarthy's latest that Manafort is in danger? I think he's full of it entirely.

[GUS]

Daddy, ANWR getting to drill again, means YOUR "independent" Gov can spend more of YOUR MONEY.

And give you less!!! Government is your friend.

[narciso]

I don't think he will be in the brochure:

https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2017/09/20/london-tube-bomber-part-deradicalization-program/?singlepage=true

why is his name a state secret?

[daddy]

For Rush listeners, here is the Limbaugh letter cover the caller in Hour 3 is raving about.

[daddy]

Why is Narciso sock-puppeting Clarice at 02:33?

[Jane (Stand against the Coup)]

"BREAKING: 6.2 magnitude earthquake strikes off the coast of Japan near Fukushima - USGS"

Sometimes I think the world is coming to an end.

[Old Lurker]

"Have you read McCarthy's latest"

Like others, I stopped.

[GUS]

It's not a state secret Narciso, his name is Mehmet or Muhammad Something.

[narciso]

I don't think so, so Andrew Flaherty, is that your name (it turns out one of the scenes in the last
andreas tale, is set in Poolesville,)

[Jane (Stand against the Coup)]

Is there anyone more boring in the world than Janet Yellan?

[Clarice Feldman]

Judge in charge of Mueller grand jury--former Leahy aide--I assume she okkayed the warrants:http://www.thedailybeast.com/the-no-nonsense-judge-who-coul…

[GUS]

Jane, this news can't be good for the NFL.
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/09/20/september-23-end-of-world-theory/

[henry]

Leahy aide? Is DC a swamp or sedimentation pond?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Jane,

I should have posted yesterday when the news of the Mexico earthquake hit that we could expect one on the other side of the Pacific.

There is a series of active faults surrounding the edges of both the western Americas and Asia. In geology, it is called the Circum-Pacific Ring of Fire.

The continents sit on plates and the fault lines are in the subduction zones where portions of the continental shelves are forced downward (this is related to continental drift). Periodically there is either earthquake or volcanic activity along this ring, and once there is movement on one side it is usually echoed on the opposite side.

The only thing I worry about is the Yellowstone Caldera.

[daddy]

Gov can spend more of YOUR MONEY.

And give you less!!! Government is your friend.

GUS,

Here is a good short read on the stealing of Alaska's PFD money by the Governor and the Legislature: Time for the Mackie Plan

As a consequence over the last 2 years of the Governor and the Legislature deciding to change the rules of how the PFD checks were determined over the last 30 years, and they got a State Supreme Judge to bless their theft, a push is on to pass a Ballot Measure or Legislation to do a 1 time pay out and elimination of the PFD, so that the State Government can no longer take however much of the Fund, that belongs to the Citizens, and use if for their Govt purposes. People now know the Fund is being raided by the Govt and they know the Govt will continue to take money from the Fund, so the proposed solution is liquidate the Fund by giving every eligible recipient $50,000 at one shot and eliminate the Fund so it can't be stolen from us any longer.

Big stink on local Talk.

[daddy]

Judge in charge of Mueller grand jury--former Leahy aide

OL, is the ledge open for brunch?

[Old Lurker]

Jane "Sometimes I think the world is coming to an end."

I hear you. But then think about, say, five thousand years of recorded human history, 100 times that for unrecorded human history, then 100 times THAT and you still missed the dinosaurs by 15,000,000 years, and even then you have reache but one tenth (I round) of the time the world has laughed through such momentary "troubles". Heck, going back to the short end, recorded human history, there "ain't nuthin new under the sun" going on except for the existence of nukes but even they are simply the latest in game changing military weapons.

So relax.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://www.wibc.com/news/local-news/crocodile-found-captured-hancock-co?utm_content=buffer6928f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

That's Hancock County, Indiana, the next county east of mine.

[GUS]

If that LEDGE was in Mexico City, no one would be relaxing about now.

LAST CALL FOR ALCOHOL!!!

[daddy]

Is there anyone more boring in the world than Janet Yellan?

No.

[derwill]

"So relax," says the guy who mans and stocks the Ledge.

Did the world just come to an end and somehow we missed it?

[Gone Fishin]

"Mueller Seeks White House Documents Related to Trump’s Actions as President

Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, has asked the White House for documents about some of President Trump’s most scrutinized actions since taking office, including the firing of his national security adviser and F.B.I. director, according to White House officials.

Mr. Mueller is also interested in an Oval Office meeting Mr. Trump had with Russian officials in which he said the dismissal of the F.B.I. director had relieved “great pressure” on him."

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/20/us/politics/mueller-trump-russia.html

Looks like Mueller has nothing and is now grasping at straws.

[narciso]

one of the few actual speakers of truth,

http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/351495-it-looks-like-obama-did-spy-on-trump-just-as-he-did-to-me#.WcJ9JTl4RVs.twitter

[daddy]

The FBI had investigations of both campaigns; one to bury Hillary's crimes and one to invent Trump's.

Quick JOM poll: Who did more to illegally influence the 2016 US Election?

A) Russia

B) FBI

My answer is definitely B. I have seen zero evidence the Russians did any influencing whatsoever. I have seen tons of evidence the FBI did so.

[GUS]

Again for those playing the HOME version of WFT IS GOING ON.

What is being investigated. What crime? What allegation? What statute?

There is going to be bloodshed. This IS a COUP attempt.

[Clarice Feldman]

Mueller can get that just by listening to the tapes,

[Marlene]

Good afternoon! Hubby just returned from a couple of days at a sporting camp (only access is to fly in). It is near a section of the AT,so he did some hiking,but mostly read and relaxed. He was with of a group of business guys,all ages,including a retired guy (well known business in Maine) who had always been a Susan Collins supporter. Hubby said that the only discussion of politics was what the hell happened to Susan Collins?!
On a lighter note,hubby said a few of the younger guys created a drink called a "Sump Pump." Moxie and Jaegermeister. Barf. :)

[daddy]

"Mueller Seeks White House Documents Related to Trump’s Actions as President

I recall just a few days back reading a story about how wonderful Mueller was because he ran such a tight ship and was so professional in making sure that there were no leaks to the Press about any of the particulars of his investigation.

[narciso]

sacre bleu,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4902104/Macron-s-plan-end-macho-culture-France.html

[Old Lurker]

Even your question is unfair to Russia, Daddy.

To be fair, you should change "influence the 2016 US Election" to "influence the US election by more than the US tried to influence elections in, say, Israel."

Only that Delta should be compared to the FBI/CIA/IRS and the others.

[Old Lurker]

Israel = "Elections in Israel"

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://timesofislamabad.com/earthquake-jolts-parts-of-pakistan-on-wednesday-night/2017/09/21/

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Posted this for Jane. This was relatively small, however.

[Old Lurker]

nevermind...bad edit

[Old Lurker]

Derwill, even I have to fall asleep somehow.

[Appalled]

daddy:

Who did more to influence the US elections:

a) Comey;

b) Putin.

I vote for Comey on this one, which is why his firing as FBI director was appropriate. It just should have happened on day 1. (In a Hillary presidency, it would have...;)

[jimmyk on iPhone]

"Is there anyone more boring in the world than Janet Yellan?"

It's in the job description for Fed chair.

[daddy]

BOzo dubbed himself the "First Pacific President".

That reminded me of this:

Herbert Hoover, the 31st President of the United States, lived in Tianjin, China for two years with his wife, Lou Hoover after graduating Stanford with a degree in Geology. He worked as a mining engineering and executive during those years. According to the Hoover Association, the two adapted to the language there and would sometimes speak in Mandarin when they didn't want people to know what they were talking about.

The Hoovers even caught themselves in the middle of the Boxer Rebellion during their time in China in 1900. The couple was sent to a walled compound for protection from those who were rebelling against Western influence in China and persecuting Chinese Christians. The Boxer Rebellion finally came to an end a year later in September of 1901.

[daddy]

I agree with both OL and Appalled's corrections and comments on my poll question.

How fun:)

[Jane (Stand against the Coup)]

If the predictor of the world ending on Sept 23 didn't rely on climate change I might believe him.

Why the hell hasn't Trump said anything about wiretapping, Manafort and all the BS being revealed? I know he's 13 steps ahead and has a master plan, but I'm in the mood for it now.

My once removed contact in the West wing has been nominated to be a Judge. He'll be a great judge, but I really liked having him where I could once removed get to him. I hope he gets Tom Coburn in before he goes.

[daddy]

Why the hell hasn't Trump said anything about wiretapping, Manafort and all the BS being revealed? I know he's 13 steps ahead and has a master plan, but I'm in the mood for it now.

Jane,

I think in a perfect world that would be the job of the Attorney General, "Silent Jeff" Sessions.

[Captain Hate on the iPhone]

Any of the Jeff Sessions apologists have an update on what the human dynamo's accomplished today?

[GUS]

Wow, I didn't know that hag Barbara Boxer was over 100 years old!! She doesn't look a day over 90

[daddy]

Old Yeller is Mark Levin

Levin yesterday was pushing hard for Judge Roy Moore over incumbent Senator Strange. I expected that.

[narciso]

the sheepdog has been busy about something,

http://www.saulmontes-bradley.com/

[Old Lurker]

They are making themselves scarce, Cap'n. Last night MM finally came around to expressing some concern about ol' Rip so that's a start.

[Gone Fishin]

It was time for some more Russia leaks...Trump's approval is heading back up.

Mueller has nothing and is just trying to Trump all riled up in order to get canned since he has nothing to show for his witch humt. I don't think Trump is concerned...nor is Manafort.

Hopefully Sessions is busy gathering evidence on the Obongo admin illegally spying on a presidential campaign. Or he is taking a nap.

[Jack is Back!(On his iPhone)]

The worthless Fed needs gobble speak to keep everyone sombulent while they screw the average American by propping up Goldman Sachs.

[daddy]

In a perfect world, Clarice and I would be gathering our knitting needles and claiming our first row seats around the guillotine. Other knitters welcome.

Posted by: Frau Sprengstoff

Frau,

Where are you now in The Great Upheaval? i'm still stalled in France (page 391) but hoping to be finished within the next 2 days.

[lyle]

A Prez Hilligula firing Comey on Day 1? What in the hell? Are you high?

[daddy]

Looks like we will never learn the identity of the Acid Throwing woman in Marseille. The authorities and the press have decided that all we need to know is that she is a disturbed mental case and there is no further need to know anything about her. We can read as much as we wish about the victims, but the identity of the perp is off limits.

In other non-news, hows the Menendez trial going?

[Jack is Back!(On his iPhone)]

Winik's next book, "The Great Upheavel Part II: Trump Does DC, The EU, The UN and The Emmy's".

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

daddy,

I assume she is a jihadist because I consider all jihadists mental patients, so there ya go.

[GUS]

a disturbed mental case. Was this at a book signing Daddy??

[Dave (in MA)]

Which one's "Butch"?

The one on the left probably had a Shawn Cassidy poster above his bed.

[lyle]

https://spectator.org/when-bill-clinton-threatened-to-end-north-korea/

On July 9, 1993, as the Washington Post reported at the time, Bill Clinton, amid a major swing through Asia, told the media the following of U.S. policy toward North Korea under his administration: “We would overwhelmingly retaliate if [the North Koreans] were to ever use, to develop and use nuclear weapons. It would mean the end of their country as they know it.”

For the record, he also added, “North Korea is just one of many renegade nations that would like to have nuclear weapons and be unaccountable for them, and we can’t let it happen.”

Well, it did happen. And presidents like Donald Trump are today left to deal with the failures of presidents like Bill Clinton (and his bipartisan successors) who couldn’t stop it from happening.

Clinton’s comments were widely covered at the time, including by the New York Times, which reported: “On his weekend visit to South Korea, President Clinton warned that if North Korea developed and used an atomic weapon, ‘we would quickly and overwhelmingly retaliate.’” He said, “It would mean the end of their country as they know it.”

To repeat: the end of their country as they know it.

It's different when the prez is a lovable scamp that all the press wants to fellate, isn't it?

[lyle]

A bit more:

And I’ll always remember the response of Democrats and liberals to Clinton’s bold threat to “end” North Korea.

What was their response? They loved it. They pumped their firsts. They pounded their chests. They gave high-fives. They yelled “Woot! Woot! Woot!”

Yes, the very same peaceniks who throughout the 1980s had derided Ronald Reagan as a trigger-happy cowboy and nuclear warmonger, who had run George H.W. Bush out of office after he drove Saddam Hussein from Kuwait, suddenly yanked the daisies from their hair and gun barrels and were ready to storm out to SAC headquarters to board their Super-fortress for Pyongyang. They had become Slim Pickens in Dr. Strangelove.

Utterly predictable, of course.

[GUS]

Lispy has moved on to David Cassidy.

I think I love you.......etc etc...

[lyle]

https://spectator.org/hillary-here-is-what-happened/

There's a lot of great stuff like that here today:

https://spectator.org/

Now git on over there! ;)

[Sue]

There's a new Netflix cartoon called Big Mouth. If you have children, or grandchildren, you should google the trailer and then decide if you want your children watching it. Fair warning, don't watch the trailer while your children are in the room.

[Threadkiller]

Levin yesterday was pushing hard for Judge Roy Moore over incumbent Senator Strange

That is a kiss of death I didn't see coming.

Tough luck, Moore.

[Tom Bowler]

I know a lot more about Butch Cassidy than i do about Graham-Cassidy.

But can we get a SHOUT OUT for Hopalong Cassidy!??

Hmmm, young crowd here, I guess.

[Threadkiller]

Why the hell hasn't Trump said anything about wiretapping, Manafort and all the BS being revealed?

Trump is despised for his street fighting ways up until the crowd can't get enough of it.

;-)

Trump does the same thing everytime. He lets the dupes wallow in it before he piles on more. Impatience isn't his strategy.

[Ralph L]

Anyone watching the Burns' VN war and can report on it?
Anyone planning to watch Dick Wolf's Menendez Bros show? I will if it tells how often they get buggered in prison, but I don't think I can take even a fake Leslie Abramson.

[Threadkiller]

Any of the Jeff Sessions apologists have an update on what the human dynamo's accomplished today?

If I was the script writer I would give the audience the impression that the extra from Cocoon is just an old confused geezer trying to get by while the business-as-usual DOJers continue to expose themselves thinking it is unnoticed. Then, at a point where the world finally realizes the manipulation caused by the uniparty and the media.. WHAMO!!

This latest FBI spy tale should be enough for everyone to realize that this is the tip of the iceberg. There is so much more to uncover before any lampposts get utilized.

I will wait until the arbitrary date of the 2018 primaries before I expect Sessions to get all hammer-fisted up.

That is a good time to clean house(and senate), IMO.

[Ralph L]

Jack Cassidy was even poofier than Miss Lindsey.

[Account Deleted]

6.2 Mag Japanese quake.... may your sushi qualify as a "glows in the dark" alternative energy resource.

Can't believe how many people are still eating Pacific Ocean catch tuna etc. Stuff flies off the shelf in our Safeway... all that fancy packaging and the remade Charlie the Tuna branding.

Suckas.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/nikki-haley-the-world-now-calls-kim-jong-un-rocket-man/article/2635006

HA! I, for one, appreciate the nickname because I could never remember the last part because there have been too many Kims.

I LOVE it that others are calling him Rocket man!!

[lyle]

I eat only free-range, organic, non-GMO tuna, Kev. ;)

[common man]

You forgot gluton free

[Old Lurker]

I'm good. I only eat tuna from a can...

[henry]

Lyle, the grass fed is the good tuna.

[lyle]

:-)

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://nypost.com/2017/09/19/wiretaps-may-prove-trump-right-and-thats-absolutely-terrifying/

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4902526/amp/Trial-opening-man-accused-plotting-kill-blogger.html

Another mental patient, according to his defense attorney.

[anonamom]

Glenn Reynolds notes:

If Hillary had won, he'd be in the Lincoln Bedroom--

http://www.jammiewf.com/2017/democrat-freak-anthony-weiner-watched-naked-15-year-old-fondle-herself-on-skype/

[common man]

Admiral Kirby did not like the UN speech. Reminds me why I found him to be almost impossible to listen to while shilling for Zero.

[Threadkiller]

Sharyl Attkisson

It looks like Obama did spy on Trump, just as he apparently did to me

http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/351495-it-looks-like-obama-did-spy-on-trump-just-as-he-did-to-me

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

common man,

I noted Kirby dyed his hair, which I found off-putting in an Admiral. I never liked him, either.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Hey, Threadkiller, we are making progress if that got into The Hill.

[rse]

Oh, ralph. http://www.davidson.edu/news/news-stories/170913-president-carol-quillen-message

Commission on Race and Slavery.

Others may also want to check to see of their alma maters have joined the USS Initiative--Universities Studying Slavery.

To come up with the requisite narrative I guess.

[common man]

Any Navy guys here? Did Kirby ever have a ship command? I am thinking he was an admin guy forever...

[Threadkiller]

MM, I agree with Clarice that some pretty big chips are going to fall relatively soon. Commie rags like The Hill probably understand that the "low level button pusher" excuse is almost completely tapped out.

Time to play it down the middle and hope for survival.

[common man]

Answered my own question at Wiki. All time at sea as a public affairs officer. Stint with Blue Angels, editor in chief of Navy magazine, etc etc. Exactly what I expected.

[Davod]

Whatever happened to executive privilege?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://breaking911.com/just-vietnam-war-soldier-receive-medal-honor-actions-laos-white-house-says/

[common man]

Can Jason Chafetz go get a real job? The guy is on my screen more now than he was as a representative...

[Gentlejim]

The one on the left probably had a Shawn Cassidy poster above his bed.
Posted by: Dave (in MA) | September 20, 2017 at 04:04 PM

Had? AYFKM? He probably bought a case so he can replace it after it gets... Ill leave that to your imagination.

[Old Lurker]

"Stint with Blue Angels"

as?

[Captain Hate]

Here's an update for TK:

MeAgain has reached the zenith of her career: she'd inteviewed the KardASShians. It was apparently something of a disaster. One of 'em bailed on the interview, and one of the others got catty with poor MeAgain.

And then she went on Ellen or something, whining about how Trump was mean to her and that was the reason she quit FOX. She said she just doesn't really like politics. And Trump was just so mean.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at September 20, 2017 05:19 PM (8O3HH)

MeAgain....read my lips.

No
One
Cares
Posted by: Tami at September 20, 2017 05:22 PM (Enq6

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/manafort-offered-to-give-russian-billionaire-private-briefings-on-2016-campaign/2017/09/20/399bba1a-9d48-11e7-8ea1-ed975285475e_story.html?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.b18ab66e8864

1. Who leaked this or fed the Post this story?
2. Private briefings aren't illegal.
3. Nothing happened, anyway.

I am with Barbara; they've got nothing.