That Went Well

Let's enjoy a Sunday afternoon of football and protests. And how about them Texans, scuffling with the Patriots who lead 28-27 in the third quarter.

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[Janeprobably about 10 minutes after getting there]

Ha!

[henry]

I thought they were kneeling instead of playing.

[Jim Eagle]

Bringing it over from the last thread since it is on topic:

Villanueva's story is interesting. He was born at Naval Air Station Meridien in Mississippi. His father was a Spanish Naval officer on exchange to the US. He has lived all over Europe and learned American football, in of all places, Belgium during his dad's tour of SHAFE.

I think he speaks several languages. His best friend in Casteau was admitted to West Point and he told the coaches about this giant of a man in Belgium. That is how he got to West Point.

Served 3 tours of Afghanistan. Bronze Star. Thos eejit teammates on the Stoolers couldn't carry his jock strap.

[narciso.]

I think they will double up on the pastis:
http://france24.com/en/20170924-french-conservatives-republicains-retain-senate-majority-macron-LREM-party-setback

[Threadkiller]

Sassehole was hoping for kneeling disrespect on Gold Star Mother's Day?

What a bum.

[JimNorCal]

My brother emails to tell me about a great article by a lady named Clarice Feldman.

[JimNorCal]

So what did Sen Sasse have to say?

[narciso.]

Something about they have a right to protest but not in that venue,

[Threadkiller]

See TM's previous post, Jim.

Sassehole wants it both ways.

[rich]

from the other thread ...

>>>As to Trump, Sen. Ben Sasse tweets some interesting points:

NFL players: You have the right to protest Trump tmrw. But aren’t there better ways than kneeling before the flag soldiers died to defend?

Followed by:

btw, Trump wants you to kneel--because it divides the nation, with him and the flag on the same side. Don't give him the attention he wants.<<<

[narciso.]

Have some more hasenfefer:

http://.dw.com/en/german-election-results-live-angela-merkels-cdu-largest-party-record-low-for-spd-afd-to-be-third-power-in-bundestag/a-40660750

[Threadkiller]

Shorter Sassehole: I am for and against the kneeling but I am for and against the flag*

*depends on what side Trump is on.

[DebinGA]

Re Sasse, Trump won Nebraska ~59-33

[centralcal]

Jack: thank you so much for the interesting background of Villanueva. Brave, patriot.

[Captain Hate]

The Roger Goodell experience has been like a Wayans Brothers/BLM remake of Trading Places where the Duke brothers take a not particularly smart and unlikeable white turd out of the company mailroom and put him in charge of the company to see if he can run it into the ground. Bathtub Boy should play Beeks and Jen Rubin Ophelia.

[Threadkiller]

Rubin's fake cans popping out in her hooker suite will certainly make a film to remember.

[narciso.]

You risk summoning the old ones with that image.

[maryrose]

Hi centracal!
So good to hear from you.

[common man]

The Pittsburgh Kneelers just got beat I am reading, I did not watch.

[narciso.]

How are you doing central.

[Clarice Feldman]

Jim, tell him you have my autograph but it's got typos in it.

[Captain Hate]

Wow, there are a lot of Horde Steeler fans who are claiming their support of the team is officially over. I guess having a Zippy fellating owner made that an easy choice.

[Clarice Feldman]

Link didn't work, frau. This one did:http://www.dw.com/en/german-election-results-live-angela-merkels-cdu-largest-party-record-low-for-spd-afd-to-be-third-power-in-bundestag/a-40660750 for some reason

[DebinGA]

Falcons owner/players stood together on sidelines with arms linked in Detroit.

[Jim Eagle]

A real doozy at East Lake for the Tour Championship and the FedEx = $10million. Spieth could win it (the $10 mil) with a birdie on 18 they are saying. All kinds of different scenarios.

[Frau Heil dir im Siegerkranz]

Hello cc - Mr. Villanueva certainly is a bright light in a dark night.

I bet you are pleased that our heat has let up finally.

[Man Tran]

Centralcal,

Going to be in Fresno Friday/Saturday mostly for a memorial for my cuz. Are you available for coffee?

[Clarice Feldman]

Waving at centralgal!

[maryrose]

JamesD
Sorry about your Giants.
What did you guys think about the reversed call in the Packers game?

[maryrose]

Deb in GA:
Falcons are my new team!

[Momto2]

Antioch shooter - Emanuel Kidega Samson - from Sudan.

This *might* be his Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/E.to.da.Man

[James D.]

Thanks, maryrose, but I missed most the game, and I really don't care about them at this point.

since their players clearly despise people like me, and their owner has contempt for people like me, I don't think it's worth my time and energy to watch them anymore.

[Old Lurker]

CC!

[henry]

So the clown mask was to hide his Islam?

[Momto2]

Not sure what to think, henry. He has all sorts of weird stuff on his page - a lot of bodybuilding images.

Has 5 or 6 relatives all from Sudan - all now living near Nashville.

[Extraneus]

Jets did the same thing. Everyone stood arm in arm, including the owner. (Well, the acting owner, since his older brother Woody Johnson became US Ambassador to England.) Happy b.s., but that's fine with me. At least they were all standing. Opponents, the Dolphins, had several guys kneeling.

[DebinGA]

Roid rage might be his only defense. Shooting innocent church goers won't fly with juries there.

[centralcal]

Waving back - hi gang!

OL: do I still have a reserved spot on the ledge? I promise to bring my own Brandy Manhattans.

Man Tran: possibly doable. Have new email addy: jangal1 at ATT dot net. I hope we really can connect this time.

I am so flipping mad at the gawd damned NFL stooges. Never a football fan myself, but kids are all fanatical fans. Most are pretty apolitical but I hope they are outraged by this nonsense.

[Momto2]

Gotta love Nascar folks!!

The Washington Times ✔ @WashTimes
NASCAR draws line on protesting during national anthem. 'It'll get you a ride on a Greyhound bus.'http://bit.ly/2xslSKE

[Stephanie Nene Not your normal Grandma]

Two Falcons players took a knee. It was the first time ANY joined in the craptastic affair.

Dirty birds are back.

[narciso]

here is an fascinating detail:

https://twitter.com/TobiasBuckFT/status/912053936416313344

[Another Bob]

BREAKING... Drudge has tweeted the audio of McCain's 1969 Tokyo Rose propaganda piece.

https://twitter.com/drudge_report/status/912052513578221568

[Dave (in MA)]

Legal Insurrection Retweeted

Sean Davis Retweeted Chris Cillizza Sean Davis added, "Bake the cake, bigot."

@CillizzaCNN The US is literally premised on the right of people to freely express their beliefs without fear of reprisal https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/911911385176723457 …

[jimmyk]

"Bake the cake, bigot."

Cilizza: That's different, because shut up.

(That's not a quote, but a forecast.)

[Captain Hate]

Cillizza is such an idiot. Of course there can be reprisals for making idiotic statements and stunts, just not in the form of prosecution by the state. That isn't a difficult concept to grasp even for a floating head on the airport channel.

[Marlene]

AB @ 5:27... funny you should mention that. We are watching Vietnam on Maine Public TV (the re-air) and just now are watching the part about about McCain. Whatever anyone thinks about Ken Burns and the narrative,it is very interesting to watch.

[Marlene]

Momto2...the NASCAR race in New Hampshire is the final race for this date in NH. There will still be a July race,but this date is moving to Las Vegas next year. Speaking of a sport that is suffering because of lack of viewership.

[Momto2]

This is rather interesting...

Link : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKhJgY4VoAASqdv.jpg

[Momto2]

Sorry - can't read that without going to the link.

[Marlene]

The young man who is the points leader in the ARCA race series is from Fort Kent,Maine. His family's trucking company are clients of hubby's office. When Austin was still in high school,his parents asked hubby to talk him into going to college. He was interested in politics,but he really wanted to race. He's following his dream.

[narciso]

it's unplusdoublegood, clearly,

[DebinGA]

No surprise Pro Wrestling trends left.

[Momto2]

Such an impressive young man!
Not surprised he ignored the pressure and stood up for our flag!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=72&v=xvKoKez6VvE

[sbw]

Questions for any Prog:

What is the minimum anyone should contribute to the community?

What is the minimum anyone should expect from the community?

[Clarice Feldman]

The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the NFL League Rulebook. It states:
“The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition...
...It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

[Clarice Feldman]

http://ntknetwork.com/mnuchin-nfl-wouldnt-let-dallas-honor-fallen-cops-lets-players-disrespect-flag/

[DebinGA]

I taped the Vietnam series for hubs but I couldn't bear to watch it. I think he's to the point Johnson is about to take over after JFK's death and do the impossible - top JFK's mammoth errors in judgment. Doesn't sound like Burns went easy on either.

[sbw]

Clarice, I think that is suspect. It does not appear to be in the link.

[Captain Hate]

The apocalypse is near: Rocket surgeon Terry Bradshaw just lectured Trump on the first amendment. Love that Louisiana Tech higher learnin'.

[Clarice Feldman]

sbw, thank you. I checked the rule book and don't see it there. I'll tell the person who originally posted it:http://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2017-nfl-rulebook/

[narciso]

this where burns is still stuck in 1985,

http://www.history.ac.uk/reviews/review/584

[common man]

Terry Bradshaw is not very bright. Phenomenal athlete and may still be the Louisiana record holder for high school in the javelin toss. I would doubt Terry's ability to do fairly simple tasks. Like balance his checkbook

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Momto2,

I went to the chart with the sphere's. Basically, sports to the upper right trend Republican with high voter turnout. Lower left is sports that trend democrat with low voter turnout.

That big blue ball is the NFL.

[Extraneus]

It wouldn't be in the "rule book," Clarice. If it's true, it would be in some sort of Player's Association (union) agreement.

[DebinGA]

From MLB site on history of anthem at games: "From that day [1918 World Series] on, the anthem rang out on Opening Day, special occasions (like Independence Day) and the and during World War II, when all Major League ballparks boasted public announcing systems, the tradition of the anthem before every game began." ... They should have kept it a special tradition for special but infrequent occasions imo. Whoever said "Familiarity breeds contempt" was not wrong.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

Sports fans should never condone players that do not stand proud for their National Anthem or their Country. NFL should change policy!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 3h3 hours ago

Courageous Patriots have fought and died for our great American Flag --- we MUST honor and respect it! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 13m13 minutes ago

Alaska, Arizona, Maine and Kentucky are big winners in the Healthcare proposal. 7 years of Repeal & Replace and some Senators not there.

[Dave (in MA)]

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[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Fox seemed to find people who wouldn't boycott although didn't like the protest.

I place no credence in that survey after the Jets game for several reasons:

1. Season ticket holders are not going to throw away their investment.

2. People don't want to say they won't be back, because they don't want to be accused of racism.

3. The Fox Sports contract with the NFL may have affected which answers were shown on screen. (I think this is very important.)

[Jim Eagle]

Back from 5:00 mass since it was the one the Confirmatis' attended and Frederick is one of them. These years class is over 60 and they filled up 7 rows of pews in our church which is actually a basilica and very large.

He had to write a letter to his confirmation sponsor and I know for a fact he has the only sponsor who is a Nigerian Prince:) Plus a noted kidney (is that Rheinal?) surgeon in NYC.

What was funny was that all the kids were in shorts or jeans and T's or hoodies but for one kid, he was in shirt and tie. But then he is the best kid, most mannerly, intense student and the one most likely to become a priest. Even his mom agrees with me.

[JimNorCal]

Thanks for the Saase explanation(s).
Isn't there an aphorism about how if you try too hard to straddle a fence your balls get crushed?

Clarice, this is not the first time my brother has sent me links to your writing :) Clearly you have a fan base outside the JOM.

[Extraneus]

I didn't see the Jets survey. Can you post a link?

[Sidwhite]

Section 4, Article 8 of the rule book Clarice posted prohibits any kind of "personal message" when a player (or any other employees) is visible in the stadium or on TV. ...like taking a knee or honoring fallen police officers.

[DebinGA]

I'm not seeing the method in Trump's flag madness. "Patriots died for our great American flag"? That's off-putting to me.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/09/24/president-trump-holds-impromptu-tarmac-presser-video/

You have to listen closely because of the noise from Air Force One's engines.

[Clarice Feldman]

I don't see that Sidwhite.In fact I don't see any Articles in the ryle book.

[narciso]

now burns doesn't spell it out, but he suggests that being quartermaster to the French end of the conflict, and diem's declaration of victory in the south Vietnamese elections were the more obvious mistakes, but that's not at all certain, knowing the nature of left wing dictators, consider Indonesia, which had a similar experience with decolonialism, and the trouble sukarno proved, or ne win, of the Burmese junta, that ruled for thirty some years,

[Clarice Feldman]

Section 4 just notes where the benches are to be places. No articles under that.

[Momto2]

Metro Nashville PD ✔ @MNPDNashville
Gunman in church shooting is Emanuel Kidega Samson, 25. He has been released from hospital and will be charged with murder and att murder.

[Jim Eagle]

The most interesting thing about the flightline interview was how knowledgeable and spontaneous he was on every issue the reporter threw at him. No hemming and hawwing at all. Even Bush, but particularly, the smartest zero in the world would be searching for words. Not Trump.

Impressive. Oh, and MAGA.

[Porchlight]

Normies hate this stuff, Deb. Trump is making it clear where he stands. Whose side is Joe Sixpack going to be on, Villanueva's or the Kneelers hiding in the tunnel?

[Momto2]

Deb - not sure what you mean?

Is he not reminding the NFL of the sacrifices that patriots have made for our country and our flag?

Symbols are important. Disrespecting our flag is not a popular stand.

[narciso]

they are less than worthless,

http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/2016/09/09/nfl-squashes-titans-linebacker-avery-williamsons-plan-honor-911-victims/89956128/

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Extraneus,

It wasn't a numbers survey. They showed some people in on-screen interviews and then told us what the majority sentiment was.

[Porchlight]

It is rightly unpopular and is about to become more so. Tennessee church shooter has #TakeAKnee as his Facebook cover.

https://mobile.twitter.com/nontolerantman/status/912062196460527616

[Jim Eagle]

Deb and M22,

LIke I have pointed out, he was born here of a Spanish naval officer and his wife. Then lived around Europe on NATO duty (his dad).

But the poor butt hurt NFL players who as a minimum make $425K a year feel oppressed. This is what our current edumacation system has given us. Poor rse. All the facts and no one wants to do a damn thing.

No prayer in the school. No pledge. No national anthem.

What the hell did we expect?

[narciso]

Valerie has resigned her board membership of ploughshares, over her taste for shoe leather,

[Janet 🚬]

What do the 'take a knee' NFL guys want?
Is there a specific demand or desire that they are putting out there?

I don't even understand what the deal is.
Is it just a general, 'America is lousy' message?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Jack,

When do you think it will dawn on some of the press that like him or not, the guy is pretty smart?

[Extraneus]

Not sure what it is, but I heard they want "social equality," Janet. Social equality for pro football players seems like a letdown for them, but I'm all for it.

[DebinGA]

I don't know, Janet. Originally, I thought it was because of the anthem's background/lyrics - America was not the "land of the free' for millions of black slaves when the poem was written. The verses we never hear include phrases like "hireling and slave" iirc. Choosing a song about a flag surviving a night of bombardment in a war most Americans are clueless about in a location almost no one can name has always seemed a bizarre anthem choice to me.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Well, the choices for anthems seem pretty limited, DebinGA.

My Country, Tis of Thee is set to God Save the Queen, which seems sort of unacceptable.

America the Beautiful is a hymn.

God Bless America has God in the title.

I don't know what else you would use. Plus, if you wrote a new one then years of tradition would be thrown away.

[narciso]

Baltimore harbor, that was considered valuable real estate, once upon a time,

some anthems are less elegiac and more martial take the marseillaise, 'awake children of france' or this example,

http://www.lyricsondemand.com/miscellaneouslyrics/nationalanthemslyrics/cubanationalanthemlyrics.html

[Stephanie Nene Not your normal Grandma]

Don't forget that originally Kaeperdick's initial rant and reason the first time he did it was that he thought Hillary got special treatment and should be in prison AND that anyone that was protesting with BLM would not get the special treatment she did.

Down the memory hole with that...

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 3m3 minutes ago

Making America Safe is my number one priority. We will not admit those into our country we cannot safely vet.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/09/24/enhancing-vetting-capabilities-and-processes-detecting-attempted-entry

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I LOVE having a multi-tasker for President! MAGA!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/352164-nascar-owners-say-they-wouldnt-tolerate-national-anthem-protests-at-races

"Anybody that don’t stand up for the anthem oughta be out of the country. Period. What got ’em where they’re at? The United States,” Petty said in comments reported by the AP.

Richard Childress, a former drive who owns Richard Childress Racing, said any protests from his team members would “get you a ride on a Greyhound bus.”

[jimmyk]

I actually like the anthem. The flag is obviously a symbol, its survival representative of the survival of the country. The imagery of the soldiers inspired by being able to see the flag at night because of the 'bombs bursting in air' is pretty cool.

I suppose it's possible that "land of the free" might grate on the descendants of slaves, but I doubt most of these kneelers even know (other than possibly that) what is in the lyrics.

[Jim Eagle]

I found it very odd that in that matrix someone posted, that Dems are more highly favorable of watching Tennis. When you consider the price of major tournament tickets that seems skewed wrong but then the left have become the dominant billionaires in this country. And golf was more Republican than NASCAR?

I agree with golf but NASCAR being in the middle? Suspect.

[Dave (in MA)]

A sports radio caller here had a good point tonight, that the NFL blew its chance to crack down when Kaepernick first started this crap, and he invoked Giuliani's broken windows. If you don't do anything about the small stuff, pretty soon you're having to deal with the bigger problems that ensue.