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October 05, 2017

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matt, deplore me if you must

Anyohaseo!

James D.

If Fareed Zakaria thinks its a good idea, that tells me it's a bad one.

James D.

Another example of the left eating itself:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/theater/in-the-heights-canceled-in-australia-over-whitewashing-concerns.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Ftheater&action=click&contentCollection=theater&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=3&pgtype=sectionfront

Protesters complained about the lack of Latino cast members in a show produced and cast locally in Brisbane, Australia (where the Spanish-speaking population, according to the article, is 0.7%).

What, exactly, did these protesters expect the producers to do? Now a whole bunch of people are out of a job, and audiences won't be exposed to something new and different. It's a lose-lose for everyone.

Except, of course, for the protesters, who can now feel even more self-righteous than they usually do.

Captain Hate

Top.Men.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/05/republican-donors-trump-mcconnell-anger-243449

hrtshpdbox

Hi, JOM'ers. I'm in Detroit (Livonia, really, meaning standard suburb) training people at a new Amazon, and I'm on the night shift so I'm a sleepless shuffling zombie.

I am intrigued by some of the points at this "16 unanswered questions article" (can someone please tell me how to embed a link here, sheesh):
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-04/16-unanswered-questions-about-las-vegas-shooting-mainstream-media-doesnt-want-talk-a

I also wonder, along with the author, about the note on the night table - if the words Alahu Akhbar are used anywhere in that note, we could have a motive! And no dissembling from officialdom about it would ever pass the smell test. I'm also curious about evidence of other shooters, and the person (a woman, I think?) who was going around telling people that everyone was going to die (soon, I think she implied).

But I'm not swayed by their being so many guns in the hotel room (so what, he could have brought them in easily). Or the notion that it takes a lot of stamina to hold down a trigger for 30 seconds and then swap out that molten-barreled weapon for another and start holding that trigger down for the next 30 seconds. Or that it's so odd that this "retired accountant" was capable of the planning and execution of this hideous crime; dollars to donuts he was high on meth or something else. He was hardly your garden variety cranky old man; vicious ghouls will be vicious and ghoulish.

I have no problem with banning gun modifications that put semi-automatic rifles into permanent rock 'n roll mode. Unfortunately, the anti-2d amendment crowd won't stop there.

Meanwhile, Rex Tillerson says he's not used to not being able to call someone a moron without everyone finding out. Trump has infinite patience with Tillerson and Sessions, let's hope they don't continue to disappoint him (and us).

Sue

The sheriff said 2x last night that the shooter did not leave a suicide note.

hrtshpdbox

There does appear to be a pen and a piece of paper in that photo. I don't know if he was asked about the photo, I haven't been able to catch everything he said.

Porchlight

He also said he was unfamiliar with the piece of paper in the leaked photo.

Captain Hate

Hmmm

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/mueller-trump-dossier-russia/2017/10/04/id/817735/?ns_mail_uid=32944113&ns_mail_job=1756708_10052017&s=al&dkt_nbr=0105049g8cc3

Threadkiller

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jimmy-kimmel-targeted-by-conservative-street-artist-1045951

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Re AR 15 barrels melting;
The weak point, by design, is the gas tube which uses combustion gases to cycle the bolt and feed new rounds. It's small and aluminum and is supposed to fail before the barrel or action and almost invariably does, after several hundred rounds.
The barrel may warp slightly or the bolt and bolt carrier fail before it but not usually.

Sue

He did say he didn't know what was on the yellow note pad but he emphasized there was no suicide note.

hrtshpdbox

The barrel on a AR-15 (or, obviously, an M16 breed) gets plenty hot after firing off a 30-round mag on semi-auto, Iggy, so it was just not be a weapon you'd want to handle for a few minutes after firing a few hundred rounds in modified configuration.

henry

Hmm. Here I have been thinking that the Japanese are the most racist folks on earth and now I wonder if I have been wrong.

La Raza and BLM are vying for that trophy.

Threadkiller

Machine Gun Bacon with Taquiyya Ted

https://youtu.be/EaZGaJrd3x8

#Idiot

Ralph L

Who was it who said he was bored with politics?

henry

TK, was that Canadian bacon?

Threadkiller

The maniac went on his gun buying spree the same month Comey ruined Hillary's chance to be president?

rse

This is from the National Academy of Siences today:

"Bullying is not a normal part of childhood and is considered to be a serious public health problem. Recognizing that bullying behavior is an issue that demands the concerted and coordinated time and attention of parents, educators and school administrators, health care providers, policy makers, families, and others concerned with the care of children, Preventing Bullying Through Science, Policy, and Practice evaluates the state of the science on biological and psychosocial consequences of peer victimization and the risk and protective factors that either increase or decrease peer victimization behavior and consequences. "

Query: is there anyone here who believes bullying is not a natural part of childhood?

Threadkiller

OH SNAP!!!! How ths hell didn't I think of that one, henry!!

Hahahahaha!!!

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

That's why I said it might warp slightly, but it seldom fails.
The polymer forend grip gets quite hot from barrel and gas tube heat and can even catch on fire if you put enough rounds through it quickly enough.
In the videos it sounded like he was firing 50 to 60 round bursts and then waiting a minute or so between. Whether he was switching magazines or guns or how many guns he actually used I don't know.

Captain Hate

I need anonamom to weigh in on a medical issue: Valium.

It seems like when I was a teen it was prescribed for a gazillion things; I'm pretty sure my mother was given them for something or other. Then it seemed to get on somebody's shit list for being overused or maybe being addictive, and then was considered a pariah drug. In 2001, when I had my Achilles' tendon put back together, I'm pretty sure they gave it to me in an IV and told me to relax; I closed my eyes and the next thing I know I'm waking up in the recovery room telling Mrs H that she's the most wonderful person in the world. And now we find out the shooter had them.

So what's the story, a-mom?

fdcol63

Are we even sure he was firing an AR-15?

The sounds of firing heard on the tapes I've seen and the cyclic rate of fire indicated something heavier to me, and with more than 30-round mags.

I'm thinking more like 7.62 with 50+ round drums or belt.

I can see where this guy would have multiple weapons on hand to swap for barrel heating and possible jams, and to increase efficiency and lethality.

But I think they would have been lined up and distributed between his 2 firing positions, locked and loaded, waiting to be swapped out as he used them.

Not thrown or placed haphazardly around the room as they are shown in the photos we've seen.

Sure, this guy was crazy and "snapped", and it's impossible to expect that he was thinking "rationally". BUt it sure seems like he planned this thing well-enough that he wanted to do as much damage as possible in the time he had.

Threadkiller

In one photo it appeared as though he set one of the rifles down nice and neatly above his dead leg... which was attached to his dead body.

Ralph L

On topic: Diplomats propose a diplomatic solution. Shocking!

anonamom

Here's my contribution to the idle speculation.
Apologies if already posted.
(I agree w OL--let it all get dumped. The truth will be found out sooner here than anywhere else.)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-04/16-unanswered-questions-about-las-vegas-shooting-mainstream-media-doesnt-want-talk-a

Sue

On topic? What the hell?

::grin::

Buckeye

Query: is there anyone here who believes bullying is not a natural part of childhood?

It was a natural part of my childhood.

I clearly remember a couple times I ended up on the wrong side of an ass kicking.

Old Lurker

cross posted.

fdcol: "But no longer, because now I realize their assistance helps the radical Leftists in the cadre to achieve their goals."

Me too for that reason, but more so because I have come to despise them for their willing ignorance. All you have to do is try to have a grown up conversation with them and you see how little they know, how little they care to know more, and frankly how broken is their sense of logic.

Now if they were all just low IQ drones, no problem. But for well educated peers to be such dupes is not forgivable.

Femall.

Ralph L

I think the number of guns helps my gun control motive theory, esp if he knew about overheating. Look at all the guns I could buy legally (and use).

Ralph L

I'll follow OL's example:
Male West Pointer more interested in politics than sports and girls = gay.

Threadkiller

Careful Ralph. That is a Winged Chariot Brigade whistle.

anonamom

I do not think bullying is "a natural part of childhood."

I was never bullied as a kid, and it did not go on among the passel of kids that lived on my street--easily eighty of us, who pretty much were outdoors unless it was raining or after dark--or among my grandparents' 24 grandchildren that gathered most Sundays. Not among the girls on my parochial school playground either. Not so sure about the boys---but I do not remember any big fights.

We did pretty much defer to older kids as far as rules of games and calls and such, but honestly, nobody picked on anybody for sport. Not saying everybody played with everybody else all the time, but nobody intimidated anyone for pleasure.

I think it is not uncommon, but it is pathologic.
Like torturing puppies.

hrtshpdbox

I'm thinking more like 7.62 with 50+ round drums or belt.

And that's a standard issue M240 machine gun, which I'm pretty sure is illegal in most states but not some (though I don't know which states). The problem with that gun, though, is that it jams; from what I remember, the M16 5.56 is more reliable.

Threadkiller

"Bullying" during childhood was mostly pecking order and bragging rights and it was natural.

The true bullys were nutcases that punched solid steel locker doors due to their lack of social skills.

Both groups got merged by fruitcake social workers and we are no longer allowed to differentiate.

hrtshpdbox

Bucs beat Patriots!


Oops, sorry, will re-post tomorrow.

anonamom

Re: benzos---like every other psychoactive drug, miracle cure until it's not.
Highly, highly addictive when used regularly. Might as well be boozing it up--basically the same effect at equivalent doses.

I use one of them--Versed-- all day, every day.
Great for my purposes--actually, I list it on the top five list of game-changers in my practice lifetime.
We use it to relieve situational anxiety ("liquid courage") and give amnesia ("you'll be fine as we pop this plastic lens into your eye") to somebody who will still be coherent and follow instructions.
(Why I love my field: Do what I tell you-- Right now!)

Once again: we have an ENORMOUS problem in this country with anxiety which leads to depression when your brain just closes down because it's overwhelmed with anxiety.
Lack of religious belief, decaying family and social structure, lack of community, screens instead of trees, high inflammatory diets (those carbs that kill do it to your brain as well).
"Disease of modernity."

Recent study showed that folks in one of the Scandanavian countries who spent five hours outside in non-urban environments have a depression rate of zero. ZERO.

Turn off that screen and get outside!

Captain Hate

Query: is there anyone here who believes bullying is not a natural part of childhood?

It was a natural part of my childhood.

Mine too.

I was thinking about this recently. When I was growing up the town thug was on my Little League team. For whatever reason he liked me, if that's the proper word; or if not at least he never beat the shit out of me. In fact there was at least one time that he told a lesser thug to leave me alone. I didn't treat him with any special deference so I have no idea why he didn't consider me someone to pound.

One day he beat the shit out of my father's best friend's son. After it happened my father asked me if I knew the guy and I told him he had been on my team and never gave me any problems even though I knew he was a hardass (as an addendum, he eventually did time for murder). My father gave me a weird look at that which, in retrospect, I wish I'd have asked him about. His friend's son, even though I liked him, could say dumb stuff that could easily have put him on the wrong side of a beating.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

The AR 10 is 7.62 NATO and very common these days.
There are pictures of the cases he fired, IIRC. Can you tell their dimensions?

hrtshpdbox

Stocks at new highs!

Probably will be able to re-post that every other day for some time to come. And there's plenty of bears out there, which bodes well, plenty of shorts to cover.

Porchlight

I think the number of guns helps my gun control motive theory

Ralph L, the sheer number of weapons made it seem almost like an episode of Lone Wolf Nutcase Gun Freak Theatre. I lean toward your theory.

Sue

I think bullies have been around forever. There is a particular episode of the Andy Griffith show where Opie is bullied out of his milk money. And Andy tells Opie about the bully he had to deal with. I just think we deal with bullies differently nowadays. And call everyone a bully.

sbw

Bullying. I recall that in 5th grade one pushed a cupcake in my face during lunch. Teacher had me push the remains of the cupcake in his face while he sat on a stool in front of class.

Don’t remember any problems with him after that, but I still feel uncomfortable about the gestalt 60 years later.

I still like cupcakes, though.

henry

I have an AR 10. You can bump shoot those too. (yes they get hot).

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

My son is on clonazepam. Works OK for him, but when he stopped it one time without telling me the withdrawal was brutal and I had him back on it in the wink of an eye.

Extraneus

I think it is not uncommon, but it is pathologic. Like torturing puppies.

I agree.

Sue

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/04/las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock-intelligent-gambler-gun-rights?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

He said Paddock was a highly intelligent, strategic though “guarded” individual who won a fortune applying algorithms to gambling, and studied arguments for his right to own weapons under the US constitution.
windansea

Are we even sure he was firing an AR-15?

The two guns we saw in photos of the room were DDM4s, but I read he had AR 15 as well, they are pretty similar anyway.

https://danieldefense.com/firearms/daniel-defense-m4-carbine-v1.html

Sue

This guy who talked to the Guardian dated the girlfriend's sister. He insists throughout the interview that Paddock was a proponent of the 2nd amendment. He also says Paddock had a 'gun room' in his house in Mesquite, NV. The one he shared with the girlfriend who says she is unaware of his gun collection.

Porchlight

Remember in Farmer Boy where the big kids threaten to thrash the new teacher (as they've done in the past), and the teacher brings out a bullwhip and whips the carp out of the head bully?

Porchlight

"It was on that first stay in Mesquite that Paddock gestured in passing to his “gun room”. Its presence in the two-bedroom home made an impression on the man – who opposes the US’s lax gun laws – but he “didn’t pursue it” with Paddock."

When was this? I thought Paddock only started acquiring weapons in the last year.

maryrose

Verbal bullying is also common.
Did any of you guys witnessing someone being bullied ever step in to help?

Miss Marple the Deplorable

hrtshpdbox,

Tillerson through his spokesman denied it, he gave a very strong statement of support for the president, saying he loves the country, holds people accountable, and is smart. I emphasize the "smart" because if you say someone is smart, you cannot believe that person is a moron. Case closed.

NBC is hysterically doubling down because the President called them out in 2 tweets this morning.

Tillerson was recommended by both Condi Rice and Bob Gates (who I assume knew him through Texas connections). He has proven valuable because he already knew all of the Middle East oil rulers, which has proven valuable in moving that area into an anti-terrorism mode.
Never forget Tillerson said, "This wasn't my first sword dance." Tillerson is also valuable for understanding the energy industry and helping craft the energy independence goals of the administration.

There is a concerted effort to divide the cabinet and split them from the president. With Tillerson, it's spearheaded by entrenched State Department employees and certain supposed experts in the anti-Trump media, like Rich Lowery, who apparently has an article in Politico (POLITICO) calling him ineffective.

I also make note that while many of us understand the "good cop bad cop" method, it is apparently overlooked by the media, who prefer to feed the idea that Trump is out of control and crazy.

I'm not buying any of this.

jimmyk

I'm sure if you surveyed adults, 95% or more would say they had some experience with bullying. Of course there are extreme versions, but garden-variety bullying is so common it can't reasonably be called pathological.

I remember getting moved into a different class in 5th grade, and one black guy there was picking on me. One day in front of school he came at me like a linebacker intending to bowl me over. At the last second I hit the ground, and he went sprawling. He got up and brushed himself off, said "Nice move," and not only was that the end of his bullying, but we became good friends. He's now some kind of minister in a black church.:)

Sue

Did the sheriff say that the brother in Florida who said he wasn't aware of his brother's gun activity was "not accurate"? I can't find a transcript and I'm not sure if the sheriff said it or I read it somewhere.

rich

going on topic ...

>>>It creates a global coalition that could be marshaled to sanction North Korea if it were to renege or cheat on its commitments<<<

and this policy is different than what we have been doing for the last twentyish years? NK weapons discovered going to the Middle East and their drugs going to Australia ... both boats discovered and interdicted with a global coalition.

>>>giving cover to China to truly clamp down on its ally<<<

they could have done this at any point and still could. NK has cordial relationships with Pakistan and Syria and Iran-China couldn't have put the screws to all 3-at any time-maybe even gotten NK evicted from AQ Khan's Nuclear 5 and Dime years and years ago?

>>>The plan also deals with Beijing’s core security concerns: preventing the collapse of North Korea and keeping South Korea and Japan from acquiring nuclear weapons.<<<

I'm am starting to believe that this isn't much a concern for them: the Chinese could just shoot any Norks that come across the border and domestic political considerations I think will prevent SK and Japan from going nuclear.

maryrose

Windansea:
So good to see you posting!

BlueOx

I have no problem with banning gun modifications that put semi-automatic rifles into permanent rock 'n roll mode.

Unless you plan on banning the laws of physics, this is a completely pointless exercise. "Bump" firing is a method, not a product. Ban one product that enables the method and 10 more will replace it (or rubber bands, or human thumbs in belt loops).

Is a cinder block dropped from a ten story building more lethal than a bowling ball dropped from the same height? If someone drops a cinder block, will banning them eliminate gravity?

Jane (Stand against the Coup)

I'm not sure I think bullying is a natural part of childhood. I do remember being "bullied" in HS by the cool girls and I took great pleasure looking back years later and realizing that those days were their best days.

rich

>>>When was this? I thought Paddock only started acquiring weapons in the last year.

Posted by: Porchlight | October 05, 2017 at 12:30 PM<<<

I've heard that he has been buying weapons for more than 20 years.

maryrose

Sue,
I believe the sheriff said his brother provided some misstatements in his testimony.

Sue

He bought the house in 2014 in Mesquite, NV.

sbw

Did any of you guys witnessing someone being bullied ever step in to help?

Yeah. 9th grade woman math teacher berating a girl student in class. I stepped in to object because the teacher was wrong. She sent me down to the principal. He didn’t punish me.

Sue

And paid cash for it. $369k +. Listed gambling as his occupation.

Porchlight

Collecting guns for 20 years, had a special "gun room," but the girlfriend didn't know, but her sister's boyfriend who only visited a couple of times was told casually about it by Paddock?

Sure.

Captain Hate

Did any of you guys witnessing someone being bullied ever step in to help?

Yes, I told my high school typing teacher, Brother Kevin, to quit picking on one of the minor seminarians. He quickly hustled me out in the hallway where he politely, but firmly, told me that I'd overstepped permissible behavior while admitting that my intentions were good.

Sue

I personally haven't been bullied but my brother's best friend from the 1st day of 1st grade was being bullied and my brother stepped in and put an end to it and declared they would be best friends for life. Which was true. His best friend was killed in a vehicle/train wreck in 1998. They were still best friends.

rich

>>>who won a fortune applying algorithms to gambling<<<

lol ...

maryrose

Bullying is done to elevate oneself by diminishing another.
It has elements of cruelty and a lack of empathy.
It is a responsibility of teachers and parents to be aware of what is going on.
It works to damage self esteem.
The physical smashing of the cupcake in front of the classroom is an extreme remedy.
Many now employ peer counseling or conflict resolution to try and resolve differences.
As a counselor I have asked students to look at their behavior and have asked them what gives them the right to deprive a fellow student of a comfortable learning experience.
Sometimes on line bullying can be cause for a student to be expelled.

Sue

I think the girlfriend knew what he was planning.

DebinGA

I remember a couple of kids being targets of bullying, but never a climate of bullying. A childrens books fave - The Hundred Dresses is about girl bullies who are shamed in an unforgettable way at the end.

Ralph L

nobody picked on anybody for sport.
On my street, it was frequent and could all be traced to two families: Lutheran minister of big DC church (who beat his sons) and the DA for the city. My sister and I were talking about them Tuesday. DA sold his office repeatedly for BJs from perp gfs. Two worst boys later went to prison.

Rest of the kids were largely good natured, though my older bro could be a pain in jr HS.


Threadkiller

I thought Paddock only started acquiring weapons in the last year.

He bought over 30 of them since October of last year. But he started buying in the 80s.

Ralph L

DA was named Cowhig, so of course the brat was called Cowpig.

maryrose

Captain Hate:
Could you have talked to the Principal or would that have gotten you into hot water?

maryrose

SBW and Captain Hate:
You both did the right thing and it took guts to do it. Kudos!

Porchlight

All kinds of articles say he "spent decades" acquiring weapons BUT the only details I can find on dates or numbers of weapons is here:

Since October 2016, Paddock bought 33 guns, mostly rifles, according to a law enforcement source, a haul that could have cost him tens of thousands of dollars, a spending spree that has led investigators to wonder whether something changed in Paddock’s life, and whether he was really acting alone.

So, vague reporting about a "lifetime" acquiring guns, but 33 weapons just in the last year.

And the girlfriend's sister's boyfriend didn't actually see the contents of the "gun room," and no date is given on that visit.

Not adding up.

henry

re bullying. people will try to get you down. You have to learn to deal with it. that is how you get self esteem. (not from coddling)

Captain Hate

maryrose, I guess I could have but didn't really consider it. As a non Catholic in a Catholic school I really didn't want to make waves in areas I was unsure of. When I spoke up in class it was just a spontaneous reaction to something that had bothered me for a while.

Brother Kevin was a good teacher and generally a good guy. I didn't feel as intimidated speaking up in his classroom as I would have in others.

maryrose

Sue:
More people should be like your brother.
My oldest brother provided protection for my other brothers and for many of his friends. He was a gentle soul but very strong.

GUS

THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCE:

Is that a BILL NYE COMPANY?

WTF does BULLYING have to do with SCIENCE?
And,
Is this SETTLED SCIENCE??

What about BULLIES using HOCKEY STICKS?

GUS

BlueOx, why do you HATE Country Music fans?

rich

>>>who won a fortune applying algorithms to gambling<<<

I just can't let this go. Vegas has seen all manner of cheats-from card counters all the way to PhD students and holders that used physics to cheat roulette; programmers to cheat video poker and slot machines; and counterfeit casino script. The cheats get tagged pretty quickly.

maryrose

Henry:
There is an element of truth to what you say.
I used humor and tried to learn more about people and their interests and backgrounds.
I was my sister's protector at the orphanage.
I did have to take a slap in the face from someone once in her defense.
But I did not back down.

Captain Hate

Yes to what rich said. If you get caught counting cards, they expend more effort identifying you than Seth Rich's murderer.

Threadkiller

Maybe he lost a larger fortune, rich.

Buckeye

Did any of you guys witnessing someone being bullied ever step in to help?

Yep, that was what got me my first real ass kicking.

When I was about 10 a kid moved in with his grandma across the street. Parents were going through a nasty divorce.

He was Jewish and from Philadelphia, and stuck out as an oddity in the little town in Ahia where we lived.

Couple of neighborhood bullies started picking on him one day when we we walking to school. They were a couple years older and had a good 20-30 pounds on us.

I defended the kid and we both paid the price for it. Got thumped real good.

James D.

Query: is there anyone here who believes bullying is not a natural part of childhood?

Bullying is a natural part of childhood.

Bullying amplified a thousandfold by social media technologies that allow humiliating moments to be captured on video and shared to everyone in the community; and worsened by a toxic culture that encourages children at younger and younger ages to partake in adult behaviors and vices (sex, pornography, weapons, drugs, alcohol) without the slightest moral education or attempts to provide an adult framework, is not a natural part of childhood.

Unfortunately, that's what we've got today.

windansea

Collecting guns for 20 years, had a special "gun room," but the girlfriend didn't know, but her sister's boyfriend who only visited a couple of times was told casually about it by Paddock?

Nowhere in the girlfriends statement, read by her lawyer, does she deny knowing Paddock had guns, she just denies knowing anything about his plan to kill people. Lots of people have large gun collections, doesn't mean they about to go postal.

The girlfriend flew back voluntarily, is cooperating with investigation, so why accuse her of knowing what was about to happen. So far the guy has a crime free background so how would she know?

BlueOx

BlueOx, why do you HATE Country Music fans?

Twangaphobia

common man

I can tell you this as a person who only gambled a couple times ever in Vegas. I played several hours of $2 or $5 blackjack. When I decided to stop I pushed all my chips in for the last hand. Several people in suits suddenly appeared with scowls on their faces. I won the hand, and they said nothing but it was quite clear to me that they suspected me card counting. Not even a serious amount of money.

If this guy truly was making a living, that being consistently beating the house, he would have not only closely observed at all times, but more than likely invited to take his business elsewhere.

So algorithms is impausible to me, but drug dealing or gun running, now I might listen awhile longer...

Captain Hate

Thanks for the reminder, Buckeye. In my junior high class a lot of my classmates started ragging on Phyllis Arbisson for being Jewish. I told them they were all assholes and full of shit. There was barely a minimum chance of it escalating into fighting over it so it pretty much stopped there.

Extraneus

Not adding up.

Nope. That Guardian article seemed kind of sketchy from the get-go.

Why would the "Australian partner of Stephen Paddock’s girlfriend’s sister" only speak on condition of anonymity?

DebinGA

I was my sister's protector at the orphanage.

Can't let that pass without comment, Maryrose. I'm glad you weren't alone but sad you were there at all.

Ralph L

Maybe he lost a larger fortune, rich.

That was my first thought, but for a RE mogul, wouldn't that more likely have happened in 2008-9?

common man

I will say IF, Paddock was playing in poker rooms, where the house takes a cut of every pot and the winnings come from the other losers at the poker table after the house vig, then MAYBE he could make a living of doing that. I believe that the actor who played Kotter in Welcome Back Kotter, Gabe Kaplan is in fact a professional poker player these days and does very well. But he does not try to beat the house.

Captain Hate

Looking for a feel good story?

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=371866

maryrose

Buckeye : Good for you.

Extraneus

The Guardian piece claimed that he played machines, not table games.

Very hard to believe an "algorithm" can beat machines. It's too easy to create a random number generator with probability vs. payouts in favor of the house.

maryrose

Deb in GA:
Only there for about a year and a half. I was 11, my sister was 9.
As I look back, it was the making of me.
I took charge of my own life after that experience.

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