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November 23, 2017



Miss M, they do a big train show at the state fair grounds here every year, they are awesome! Plus I got a chance for the back room tour of Model Railroader magazine. My grandfather started a subscription in my name in '65. They have an awesome HO set for testing new products.

mad jack

happy thanksgiving all. thank you TM for the blog and for the effort you put in to keep it going. special thanks for reading the nyt so we don't have to. miss m thank you for your attentions to the blog and i hope for the best with your son.

Jim Eagle

Jack is happier than a hog in mud. Dallas gettting smoked like David's turkey. We Redskin fans always root for 2 teams, the Skins and whoever is playing Dallas.

Skins V. Giants later. Breaking my boycott because its too much tradition here not to watch. Sue me.

Back in Florida I have an HO train set I always set up for Frederick to run around the Christmas tree. We're going there this year and can't wait to set it up again. Nothing makes Christmas like a train running around a tree, tooting.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Dan Scavino has posted this video of Lee Greenwood perform in "God Bless the USA" from the Inauguration. Bonus is President Trump on camera singing along! Lots of Deplorable crows shots, too!



Gus, I love those garden trains! Nice vid, thanks.

Beasts of England

henry has a snow plow, a trebuchet and a bunch of cool train sets? I guess I shouldn't be jealous on Thanksgiving... ;)

Clarice Feldman

Our turkey was cooked overnight in an imu--hot lava rocks covered in banana leaves --the turkeys are triple wrapped in heavy aluminum foil and basically steamed--vey tender but no crispy skin to fight ovefr--basically fell off the bones.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

This is a remarkable interview, not the least of which is that Tom Friedman seems to have done a 180 on what's going on in Saudi Arabia, no doubt because he got an over 4 1/2 hour talking to (aka interview) with the Crown Prince.

BONUS: Thomas Wictor was ahead of the curve and was right!


James D.

Total food coma. I may never eat again.


Intriguing clarice,

Fathead getting a clue, like the geico commercial surprising.

Jim Eagle

Clarice, must be in Hawai'i, right?

Tom Friedman is an idiot. I lived 2 years in the Sand Box. I know more about the Saudi and his survival skills then some stupid shill for the NYTimes.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


I am sure you do. My point is that Friedman's attitude has changed. It does look like the Saudis are going back to a more moderate Islam and are looking to attract investment by getting rid of corruption.


A tip of my Kona Big Wave to lava cooked turkey. Sounds delicious. Probably has papaya stuffing along with it. Plus chocolate covered macadamias for dessert. Yum!

Jim Eagle

Shite. I just found out I have to watch the Skins v. Giants game on NBC with that horrible dufus Chris Collingsworth as an announcer. The guy was an awful player and now brings his uninformed thinking to TV. Please, NBC, you don't think someone else from this period of NFL can bring a better analysis?


No its not possible its turtles on down from costas

Jim Eagle


Anything Freidman thinks is important is always suspect. Changing his opinion is a warning for me. He is never right.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Well, Jack, I figure the Crown Prince made it VERY CLEAR to him that he was wrong and he had better change his tune or there would be some sort of repercussion, like no more visits to SA.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


This is inspiring.

I have noticed a distinct emergence of spiritual and religious activity in a variety of places lately.

I am SO looking forward to seeing the Nativity set in the White House again!

jim nj

The post on what might happen to the 4C capabilities of our armed forces was interesting.
A good read on that was the novel "Ghost Fleet" which I borrowed from my local library as soon as it became available. I highly recommend it. It's the kind of book you can't put down after you open the cover. Here'a synopsis, please note where from:



Yrs that tale was what jacks link reminded off


This little number i was reading around the time of the last selection was remarkedly prescient about events in the kingdom even though it was set some six years ago

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Framed prints of the Four Freedoms hung in the hallway of my grade school. and I looked at them every day as I stood in line for lunch.

This site has them all pictured:


Jim Eagle

No.54, Giants. Special Asshole. Kneeling. Next asshole for me Eli Manning. Standing but hand not over heart. I will watch but it the last time.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Hey Jack! Eric and Lara Trump have beagles!



Miss Marple,

Happy Thanksgiving to you and all your family.

And thank you much for linking to that amazing NYTs article -- I particularly enjoyed:

1. the background of how KSA became radicalized and the 1979 events that give so much insight about today's goings-on in KSA and beyond;

2. the many quotations from the Crown Prince and other citizens of the kingdom, especially the women;

3. the many colorful details about the changes they're seeing. What an exciting time for them.

jim nj

An outside smoker that tells you what it's doing while you can sit indoors. Impressive.

Back in the early 90's I knew a really savvy computer tech guy who showed me one of his brother's websites (the brother was even geekier).

Up comes the web page


I'm like what am I looking at, "wait", he says and calls his brother at home, then he refreshed the page and it said


The tech guy turns to me and says "My brother put his refrigerator on the internet and it shows it's temperature and whether the door is open or not."

They claimed it was the first Internet-enabled refrigerator and they were trying to figure out what else they could do with the concept.

Jim Eagle


Thanks. Yes I know. We communicate sometimes about them. They have a 13" and 15" like we do.

mad jack

#54 olivier vernon. maybe he's upset his mom couldn't spell oliver. or maybe it's because his $10,000,000++ salary is a mark of oppression. moron.


Harp is career militAry, force recon, but the level of detail is quite striking on not merely military tactics but goings on in the balkans in the 90s, and contemporary circumstances in the kingdom.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


How fun! We had beagles when I was a kid (along with Irish and Lewellyn setters). Then we moved to a farm and my dad got interested in Border collies since he decided to raise sheep.

I love all sorts of dogs. My current crew of Boston terrier/chihuahua mix, Pomeranian chihuahua mix, and English shepherd make a nice alarm system. My brother-in-law stopped by the other day and remarked "No one will ever sneak up on you guys!"


Not only do they have beagles, but they are beagles that were rescued from shelters.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


The first McDonald's opened not far from our current home when I was in high school. I worked on the newspaper after school and we would take orders and send someone up to get cheeseburgers, fries, shakes and cokes. In those days everything was 15 cents.

Isn't it funny how you remember things so vividly, especially about food? Those cheeseburgers were the first fast food I ever ate, and I still remember that they had catsup on them, because I had never had a cheeseburger with catsup. Of course they still do, but back then it was a unique taste.

Jim Eagle

Beagles are the most threatened species since they are used in medical and pharma trials. That is where Laura an Erik contribute. Big time anti-vivisectionists like me. The last thing we need is Beagels as subjects to medical discovery. Not necessary any longer, if it ever was.

Laura is a true savior of the most loyal lovable dog known to humanity.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Californians, pay attention!

Miss Marple the Deplorable


The worst thing for me is that they have been subjected to horrible torture simply to test MAKE-UP.


MM - completely agree with you re that Friedman article. He was even compelled to admit Potus' role ("[Salman's] general view seemed to be that with the backing of the Trump administration — he praised President Trump as “the right person at the right time” — the Saudis and their Arab allies were slowly building a coalition to stand up to Iran."

And very rewarding for us Wictorians to know how far ahead of this curve we were :-)

Texas Liberty Gal

Happy Thanksgiving to all here at JOM. Had a wonderful Thanksgiving Day with our sons and grandkids who are 6, 4 & 2. Our grandkids are awesome but boy are we tired!!! Very thankful for our family, our country, our military and most of all President Trump. We toasted him at our dinner table.

Thank you Porch for setting up MM's gofundme page. I will be contributing tomorrow.

Thankful too for all the JOMers here. What a great bunch of people.

Jim Eagle


True. You come here and you will be loved to death. The way Beagles live and rule.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


I noticed that the Crown Prince and President Trump are kindred spirits in one way - hard working and in a hurry to get things done.

I also notice a couple of "experts" with Iranian sounding names popping up on my Twitter feed trashing the article.

jim nj

Alphabet's Eric Schmidt: It can be 'very difficult' for Google’s search algorithm to understand truth


Commentary on above at:


Miss Marple the Deplorable

UH-oh. Looks like Uma Thurmond is serious. Screen cap of her message:


Miss Marple the Deplorable

jim nj,

The Scripture version of Smith's statement are in the words uttered by Pilate:

"What is truth?"


There is clear category error, the U.S. used Islamic fighters in Afghanistan against Russia, that's two Pinocchio zia(more likely the boys of aapbara recommended who are the leading candidates, like raisul sayyaf and hekmatyar.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Jim nj,

I meant Schmidt, not Smith.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Among many other things like my wonderful daughter, I'm thankful God gave me His most nearly perfect creation to love for 23 years and that I could give back just a bit of what others gave me to help MM, who gave me the hymn I opened Mrs Iggy's funeral service with.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Thank you Iggy.

I am thankful for the JOM community and Mr. McGuire, who hosts us.

Bless all of you.

Good night!


The first McDonald's opened not far from our current home when I was in high school.

One of the original Ronald MacDonalds exposed himself to me in an apartment building on Staten Island in the early 70s. A real raincoat audition, I'm not kidding.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Was his name Kevin?


I have no idea, but he might have been the first or at least one of the first Ronalds.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Thought maybe it was Spacey's first acting gig.


Posted by: Jack is Back! | November 23, 2017 at 08:31 PM

It's amazing to see how completely formerly committed fans have turned their backs on pro football. Don't worry, JiB, we'll have a crack hostage rescue squad on standby alert if it becomes too much to bear!


Happy Thanksgiving, JOMers, and especially to our host TM. Captain, sorry you couldn't be in NYC this time, but I'm sure you'll be here soon, look forward to the next meetup.

And special thanks to Porch for setting up the gogetfunding site for Miss M.

Back from our dinner at my brother's in Queens. Only 12 of us. Thankfully no politics came up--I think everyone knows the rule. The closest call was when Mrs K started grilling my niece on why she's vegan. The niece said "I don't want to get political...." but alluded to how animals get treated, etc.


Meant to add: I didn't cook this year, but I never get all the fuss people make over making turkey. Basically I just stick it in the oven till it's done.

More or less. From "Joy of Cooking" I heat the oven first to 425, put the turkey in, lower it to 325, which supposedly helps seal the juices in. And then I make sure not to overcook it. The meat thermometers always say go up to something ridiculous like 170, but I take it out at about 160. No one's ever gotten sick, and the white meat is tender and juicy.

The only complicated thing us the stuffing, which is my mother's recipe. But the turkey itself is easy.


It's odd how he doesnt process his own faith.


jim nj

I've got the 1975 edition of "Joy of Cooking". I bought it at a Barnes & Noble at the Garden State Plaza. When I went to pay for it the female clerk gave me a look of disdain. I said, "What you don't think I can learn to cook?"

She looked at the book again, then at me with a different look, and that was when I realized that she thought I had presented her with "The Joy of Sex"


Yes how exactly will they pull that off


jim nj

24 backers at


Current total $2050.00

I signed up for $50. c'mon JOMers lets hit that target. We're at 41% so far

David, Internet Deplorable

I want to thank everyone for the ideas on the turkey. I put it in the oven with the chicken broth and heated it at 250 degrees an hour or so before we ate, and it turned out fine.

I got a chance to calm down, eat some of all the wonderful food that everyone brought … then went home and collapsed from the stress, after throwing up everything I had for dinner. So the day turned out as a bust for me personally, but everyone else had a good time. There is probably some kind of a moral in their somewhere, but I am not feeling well enough to try and figure out what it is. Still, it was a nice Thanksgiving, even if I didn't actually get to enjoy any of it. My family had a good time, which is far and way the most important thing.

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone, and remember, first world problems are only problems in your mind.



So sorry you had such a stressful day and the barfs. Great that your bird turned out and family enjoyed it. Just think, you can go out for a stress free day of Black Friday shopping today. :)


Speaking of bird, I think I'll go have a little more. Gobble gobble gobble...


Next question is do I have a piece of pie?



Miss Marple the Deplorable

Well, this is what happens when I go to bed early.


I forget the area where you work, but is this anywhere near you?


St. John, IN


It's about 30 miles away, MM. I read about that yesterday afternoon. St John is a fairly well-off place.


I'm in Michigan City and work in a small adjacent town.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


I found that just astounding.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Nothing much in the news yet. I think everyone is sleeping off turkey or getting ready to hit Black Friday sales.

I think I will try to go back to sleep. Back later.


Incredible that she would do that in the classroom. The reported mix of cocaine and heroin is insane.

jim nj


I'm sorry to say I'm familiar with the combination of drugs you mentioned, but not from personal experience, but from the experience of friends who got caught up in the drug world.
The mixture is called a "speedball." It's been around since I was a teenager, so roughly 45-50 years.


It's a mix of a stimulant and a depressant. Extremely addictive. Very dangerous. It's what some call a "drug synergy" in that it combines the best and worst functions of the two drugs. Heroin causes one to be passive and dulls the senses. Add cocaine which elevates the mood and you wind up with a, what to call it, active zombie.

The really bad thing about it is that you have two diametrically opposed addictions The cure for one, isn't the cure for the ever. It's next to impossible to quit on your own.

jim nj

I matured in the 70's, so it's not like I didn't experiment with drugs, but there was one drug I never even thought of trying - heroin - I've never tried it.

Saw too many older contemporaries, that I looked up to, get caught up in it's grip and watched their morals bottom out. Users don't just use drugs, they use everyone around them.

Englewood, where I grew up, was a a 15-20 minute bus ride across the GW Bridge and a short walk to Washington Heights, NYC, the then current drug capitol of the tri-state area.

By the time I was 25, 10% of my 8th grade Catholic elementary class were dead of heroin overdoses - 6 out of 60.

I knew of another dozen or so deaths of people I knew from the same type of overdoses, many were preventable.

One I knew of was Paul (real name), a really nice guy, his older brother was an addict and didn't want his younger brother to follow in his footsteps. Nonetheless, the younger brother did, he overdosed, his "friends" loaded him into a car to bring him to the Englewood Hospital. Before getting there, they dumped him out of the car due to their fear of the possible consequences. The police found him dead a few hours later and the coroner ruled that he was still alive at the time of his being dumped, and could have been revived if he hadn't been dumped.

His older brother, Aubrey, died six months later from an overdose, presumably heartbroken (I had talked to him), that his actions may have led to the death of his younger sibling.


jimmyk noted No one's ever gotten sick, and the white meat is tender and juicy.

For my entire life I (along with everyone else at the hall) have eaten turkeys that have been cooked hours before they were consumed, like four in the case of the one my momma roasts, and simply covered with foil and left to sit on the counter or the top of the industrial oven til carved and served.
And then we leave the meat (and everything else) out for the next four or more hours, while people come and go and play cards and football and watch the Lions and get hungry again make sandwiches....

So among the many, many things I am skeptical about, I gotta add a whole bunch of that "food safety" stuff.

(Though maybe the simultaneous sauerkraut and slivovitz consumption is somehow protective????)

jim nj

Kevlar Kid,

Feel free to contribute or correct me here, but American Indian culture was deeply religious. I presume the Ninevah believed in some of what follows. Or had their own sacred rites uninfluenced by the below.

Remember that the 1970's had Dr. Timothy Leary as an advocate of using LSD to expand the mind.
Remember, also, that Carlos Casteneda wrote many books about his experience with a Yangui shaman, of Mexico, teaching him about reaching a higher plane through the use of Indian ceremony including meditation through the use of peyote, jimson weed, mushrooms, etc.
Castaneda's novels were either fiction or autobiography, nobody knows.

But both espoused the idea that you could transcend reality and find a greater truth. A higher plane of existence, if you will, wherein you were more in touch with the world, then, say ordinary people. Heady stuff.

Whatever, for many years, someone has been advocating for drug use to attain a higher consciousness or something. If you assume for the moment that is possible, I have yet to meet anyone with the discipline to achieve such a state.


jim NJ:
I matured in the 70's, so it's not like I didn't experiment with drugs, but there was one drug I never even thought of trying - heroin - I've never tried it.

That's when I "matured" as well, but there's NJ for you, versus the flyover land, pretty much.
Nobody from my Catholic school eighth grade class OD'd.

Drinking age was 18 when I was in high school. The risk takers smoked weed, and they were few and far between.

There was plenty around the dorms in Ann Arbor, but I watched the annual Hash Bash (possession of marijuna was a $5 fine at the time) from the chem lab. Paying one's own way after high school has an incredible way of focusing one's attention, I have come to see over the decades.

James D.

Morning, all. Hope everyone had a great turkey day!

I did - the highlight was spending time with extended family I only get to see once a year, including my favorite cousin (really my favorite person in the whole world). Ate way too much and and still feeling it. Not sure when or if I will ever eat again.

Was woken up by the cat at 5 AM and back to sleep, thanks to my sciatica. If any of our resident medical experts have any advice, I would love to hear it. I went to the orthopedist, got an MRI and was diagnosed with a protruding disk at L5-S1. He ordered an epidural steroid shot, which I got on Tuesday. Felt 500% better by Tuesday PM, a tiny bit worse but still 400% better Wednesday AM, a little worse again yesterday and worse still today. They did warn it might take up to a week for the steroid to really start working, so maybe this is normal.

Walking is ok. Sitting is worse. Laying down in any position is bad and the pain is worse when I get up (now trying incline pillow under legs but that's not really helping either), which is why I don't want to go back to sleep. I haven't slept past 5:30 AM in a month.

James D.

I matured in the 80s but I was kind of oblivious. I'm sure there were drugs and users at my (Catholic) high school, but I never knew about it. One of my friends was already an alcoholic by the time he graduated and I didn't know it until the summer after graduation.

I also didn't see any signs of the pedophilia that was clearly going on until that same summer, when I discovered that the FBI was taking state,nets fro. Some of my classmates, and then the principal fled the state before he could be arrested. To this day I don't know if he was ever caught.

jim nj

Apologies All,

I just realized that I've been ranting about drug abuse.

Sorry about that, it's just that it affected so many people that I grew up with, who had so much promise, only to be lost to addictions.

After a forty year absence I ran into an old friend from those days, some few years ago, and he was able to tick off 51 names of people I had known since childhood who had died of overdoses, or medical complications thereof from drug usage that included HIV or Hepatitis deaths.

jim nj

Anonamom and James D.,

Glad you never had the problem. Don't know where you went to school in NJ, but proximity to NYC, was, to my estimation, a great approximation of drug abuse.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

I think she was saying she didn't go to school in NJ.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

I went to high school before there was even marijuana around here!

My first hint of it was at IU in Bloomington, where a few kids from California were users. That was 1966.

By 1972 marijuana was everywhere and we were starting to hear about LSD, and from then on it has been a wave of different drugs causing problems.

Currently around here it's heroin, meth, and opioid pills causing the most trouble.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
7h7 hours ago

Donald J. Trump Retweeted Sean Hannity

A great guy (with great ratings)!
Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
7h7 hours ago

Donald J. Trump Retweeted Diamond and Silk®

Two great people!

Both of these are retweets of Hannity and Diamond and Silk's Thanksgiving greetings.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Dan Scavino Jr.‏Verified account @DanScavino

While @NFL ratings continue to plummet📉...

Not So Thankful: @Giants @OlivierVernon54 Kneels During the National Anthem on Thanksgiving Day (while a Master Sergeant of the United States Army sings) at FedEx Field...

(This is accompannied by a picture.)

To which the President replies:

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
9m9 minutes ago

Can you believe that the disrespect for our Country, our Flag, our Anthem continues without penalty to the players. The Commissioner has lost control of the hemorrhaging league. Players are the boss!

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Go look at this. The living room isn't much better. I would redecorate this with a flamethrower.


Woke up yesterday with what looked like an insect bite on my upper leg. Swollen, red, inflamed surface, lump underneath.

Swelling and lump about half what it was yesterday, so I guess it isn't going to kill me.

Told Mrs. Buckeye who confessed she saw a spider on the down comforter on the bed.

James D.

she saw a spider on the down comforter on the bed.

If she saw one, that means there are a thousand more lurking in the house. Spiders are insidious and evil. There's really only one solution.

You need to get out of the house and burn it to the ground. Maybe burn the houses on either side of yours, too, to totally root out the infestation.

It's the only way to be sure.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Of interest to Marlene:


James D.

A quote from MM's 7:05

“If your eyes aren’t bleeding, we must be doing something wrong,”

Now there's something to put on your business card!

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
7m7 minutes ago

Will be speaking to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey this morning about bringing peace to the mess that I inherited in the Middle East. I will get it all done, but what a mistake, in lives and dollars (6 trillion), to be there in the first place!


JamesD, I did look under the bed:)

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
3m3 minutes ago

After Turkey call I will be heading over to Trump National Golf Club, Jupiter, to play golf (quickly) with Tiger Woods and Dustin Johnson. Then back to Mar-a-Lago for talks on bringing even more jobs and companies back to the USA!

Miss Marple the Deplorable

I got a spider bite on my elbow a few days ago. Huge lump and the area was warm to the touch. Itched like heck, too. It's subsided now but BOY do I hate those!

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Dozens of people are feared dead after gunmen attacked a packed mosque in Egypt's North Sinai province today.

They also set off a bomb, health and police officials said.

At least 75 people are reported to have been injured.

But health ministry spokesman Khaled Megahed said no deaths had been reported yet.

The attack took place near the provincial capital of El-Arish during Friday prayers, police officials said.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Reuters Top News‏Verified account @Reuters
43s44 seconds ago

JUST IN: United States calls for Pakistan to arrest and charge recently freed Islamist leader Hafiz Saeed


MM, I felt the lump in the shower yesterday.

First thought was "crap, I am going to die of lymphoma". Then I saw the inflamation and realized it was itching.

Decided to count my blessings:)

pagar, a bacon, ham and sausage supporter

For those who need a new phone.


Miss Marple the Deplorable


Apparently the IT firm which had Clinton's emails backed them up in a cloud storage system.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Of course he did.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Grover Norquist‏Verified account @GroverNorquist
21h21 hours ago

On this Thanksgiving:
I am thankful for Robert Mugabe for leaving pubic life with more grace and less drama than Hillary Clinton.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

This is a good article. NRO's numbers must have taken a big hit for Lowry to have printed this:


Miss Marple the Deplorable

More details on the Egyptian mosque bombing. At least 85 dead.


Miss Marple the Deplorable


Miss Marple the Deplorable


Let's just keep saying what Mnuchin said: it's a tax on poor people.

In this article Jonathan Gruber blames the poor, saying they made a mistake and aren't calculating it properly.

Captain Hate

That McClatchy article is over 2 years old.

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