Revolting At State

I don't know what this means but it looks like T Rex is losing the house:

State Dept revolt: Tillerson accused of violating U.S. law on child soldiers

OK, Tillerson is not recruiting child soldiers. He is declining to include Iraq, Afghanistan and Myanmar on the bad actors list of countries that use child soldiers.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A group of about a dozen U.S. State Department officials have taken the unusual step of formally accusing Secretary of State Rex Tillerson of violating a federal law designed to stop foreign militaries from enlisting child soldiers, according to internal government documents reviewed by Reuters.

A confidential State Department “dissent” memo not previously reported said Tillerson breached the Child Soldiers Prevention Act when he decided in June to exclude Iraq, Myanmar, and Afghanistan from a U.S. list of offenders in the use of child soldiers. This was despite the department publicly acknowledging that children were being conscripted in those countries. [tmsnrt.rs/2jJ7pav]

Keeping the countries off the annual list makes it easier to provide them with U.S. military assistance. Iraq and Afghanistan are close allies in the fight against Islamist militants, while Myanmar is an emerging ally to offset China’s influence in Southeast Asia.

So wait, haven't we been providing military support to Iraq and Afghanistan for years? Well, yes - under Obama the countries would be listed and then granted a waiver.

Documents reviewed by Reuters also show Tillerson’s decision was at odds with a unanimous recommendation by the heads of the State Department’s regional bureaus overseeing embassies in the Middle East and Asia, the U.S. envoy on Afghanistan and Pakistan, the department’s human rights office and its own in-house lawyers. [tmsnrt.rs/2Ah6tB4] “Beyond contravening U.S. law, this decision risks marring the credibility of a broad range of State Department reports and analyses and has weakened one of the U.S. government's primary diplomatic tools to deter governmental armed forces and government-supported armed groups from recruiting and using children in combat and support roles around the world,” said the July 28 memo.

There may be a good reason for Tillerson to handle it this way but I am not coming up with it.  

Comments

[narcisoyea]

Lol Stephanie:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/crown-prince-mohammad-bin-salman-and-his-generation_us_5a146da4e4b0815d3ce65a7f

[rich]

tapped the strategic beer reserve and settling in to catch up on the thread.

my thanksgiving is going to be a Stouffer's turkey dinner ... I'm in such a shitty, bitchy, foul mood I don't want to be around anyone.

[rich]

>>>https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/933074207637991424

Posted by: Stephanie Nene Not your normal Grandma | November 21, 2017 at 07:06 PM<<<

good grief.

[Gentlejim]

C'mon rich, turn that frown upside down. :)

[narcisoyea]

What's wrong rich,,if you can say?

[JimNorCal]

Ah, it's great when Steph-NeNe shows up for night shift. Much more humor than during the day, no? :) :)

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Please pardon my going on topic, but seems to me Tillerson has a new group of about a dozen goldbricks he should either can or reassign to FOIA suties.

[jim nj]

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/20/net-neutrality-repeal-fcc-251824

Another win. Just like the credit card industry coined the term "Identity theft" to hide their lack of investment in fraud control, the large exporters of traffic on the internet, i. e., Netflix, Google, Facebook, etc. created the term "net neutrality" so that smaller data exporters and end-users of the above would be forced to subsidize them.

In a sane world the cost of exporting huge amounts of data would have an associated business cost attached to it. It would be a fair cost because network providers would vie to win the business. What would the network people do with the extra money? Build more network? Hang on to it or give it to shareholders? Or compete more heavily at the end-user level by reducing the price on network service?

Right now, you and I are subsidizing large corporations/

[rich]

>>>And isn't it ISIS that's been pressing children into military service? How does the law discourage that?

Posted by: Tom Bowler | November 21, 2017 at 03:02 PM<<<

it doesn't. the law was to comply with a treaty that Clinton signed if memory serves, and before the ink was dried on the treaty, activists were pestering the US services about the delayed entry program, 17 year old enlistments, and even JROTC programs in high school. a dissent memo, this is scarping the barrel and more evidence that Tillerson hasn't fumigated the place enough.

What is a 16 or 17 year old young Iraqi man in decent physical health and average intelligence going to do?

delusional our elite betters.

[rich]

>>>C'mon rich, turn that frown upside down. :)

Posted by: Gentlejim | November 22, 2017 at 12:08 AM<<<

maybe I'll kick Appalled some more.

[Beasts of England]

Welp, GUS, that reminds me of a few groupie stories from years past...

A certain 'rain falls angry on the tin roof' singer came to my old club many years ago. He was supposed to start at 10:00 and by 10:30, I went to the green room to check on him. He was getting the full Lewinsky from one of his adoring fans. I said, 'Sorry about that, Edwin - ready when you are.'

Another time, I was at a friend's small venue to hear Percy Sledge. He had taken a break after his main set and went upstairs to the rehearsal room. After a few minutes there was a commotion and a female came tumbling down half a flight of stairs. He then came back down to perform When A Man Loves A Woman. One super clever guy :::ahem::: immediately suggested a change to When A Man Shoves A Woman.

[narcisoyea]

Yes clown southern babuska lady is most convinci ING:

www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ex-ala-prevent-roy-moore-harassing-cheerleaders-article-1.3648980

[JimNorCal]

Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkywatzky | November 22, 2017 at 12:13 AM

Yep, those denizens of Foggy Bottom are definitely revoltin'!

[rich]

>>>What's wrong rich,,if you can say?

Posted by: narcisoyea | November 22, 2017 at 12:09 AM<<<

another time.

[Gentlejim]

Works for me, rich. Makes me smile. Maybe some Godsmack for background music as you kick.

[JimNorCal]

rich: "maybe I'll kick Appalled some more."

What's the second website where one goes to pummel Appalled?

[rich]

BEASTS IS IN FOR THE NIGHT SHIFT!!!!!

BEASTS IS IN FOR THE NIGHT SHIFT!!!!!

[rich]

Posted by: JimNorCal | November 22, 2017 at 12:21 AM

I went to Ace's ONT that night ... morning.

Posted by: Gentlejim | November 22, 2017 at 12:20 AM

I'm thinking some Prodigy.

[sbw]

Just beginning catch-up.

Melania seemed to be wearing a respectable Republican cloth coat. Others have done the same.

MM, so sorry to hear the bad news. Rest and wake up refreshed, clear headed, and balanced. This too shall pass. And let us know the situation when it settles. Hugs!

[GUS]

I do not darken ACE'S door. Ace is not a MAN of CHARACTOR. Ace makes me sick.

[GUS]

JimNorCal, you prolly know that my littlest brother is State Dept Diplomatic Security. And he is not a ROOKIE. The FOGGY BOTTOM REVOLT.....is LIBTARD TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN.
A great story of relativity.
My brother first went to STATE DEEP STATE, LIBTARD STATE, 15 YEARS AGO or so.
He told me that FOGGY BOTTOM state, such as it is, is filled with IVY LEAGUE PRIX and PRIX-ETTES, who have IVY LEAGUE DEGREES....PEDIGREES, and yet they are PAPER PUSHERS at $75k. He was making DOUBLE.
These IVY LEAGUE LIBTARD DEEP STATERS, were going to S
AVE THE WORLD!!! John Kerry would ride with them on a LIBTARD TANDEM!!!!!!
So fast forward, 25 or so years. All the faggie dudes have BEARDS, the CHIX are now MAN HATING FEMINISTS. And JOHN KERRY is still a LYING
PRIX. This is the PRIZE of IVY LEAGUE!!!!!

[JimNorCal]

From ONT

[GUS]

JimNorCal, I'm pleased that you have been a regular here at JOM again. You are AWESOME.

[rich]

should start my "elites" rant right here ...

[rich]

ha ...

[Man Tran]

Bicentennial 4th brings back some strange memories. We were working on a rail research project out of Jupiter. Had a funky old Gremlin for a rental car and our windsurfers on a roof rack for a little time off. They got stolen off the racks on the morning of the 4th. :( To add insult to injury, our insurance wouldn't cover the theft due to a hidden clause that negated the coverage some x miles from home.

On the flip side, within about a day of that, I was working late on my own at about dusk and a panther sauntered out of the brush on one side of the track and crossed over to the other side and disappeared. It was just dark enough that I couldn't judge its color, but it's body was the length of the gap between the rails and his tail was as well. Fortunately he had no interest in me!

[JimNorCal]

Thanks, GUS. Same back atcha.
Sleep now, take kids out walking tomorrow morning.

[jim nj]

Who Knew?

Apparently San Francisco has another homeless problem.

https://nypost.com/2017/11/20/wild-turkeys-test-san-franciscos-tolerance/

[rich]

Wild Turkey?
Tolerance?

shots on me.

[GUS]

JimNorCal, MY FRIEND, you are welcome here in WISCONSIN at your own whim my FRIEND. There is PLENTY TO DO. God bless Jim.

[anonamom]

jimmy k, we don't go to some catering hall buddy.

Initially it was a hall WE owned---my grandparents are Czech, and the entire family belonged to a fraternal organization, ZCBJ ( Zapadni Ceska Bratrska Jednota, ), Flint, MIchigan branch, and I remember being at the mortgage burning party for that hall as a child. That's how people used to roll. There are three in Teluride--Norwegian, Finnish and Italian, as I recall.
My grandfather was treasurer and collected membership dues and the life insurance (burial policies, really) payments at his house. That's how he went through that case of Stroh's beer my dad picked up for him every Saturday morning--nobody left his house wihtout having a beer and a kolache from the always present plate on the diningroom table
I am sure I dressed in my croi and danced some folk dances for the adults.

After that was sold--got pretty sketchy around there when crack was king--we moved to a hall in Swartz Creek that the Czech community owned. Then they sold that--membership issues--so thanks to my uncle's service during WWII, we aware able to use the American Legion hall there. My 93 joined the auxilliary upon his death, when she was informed we would no longer get the members' discount, and she's their chaplain!

[anonamom]

rich, you asleep too??

OK, I'll finish packing then...

[anonamom]

At the airport, through security. Lots of sleepy looking north bound peeps here at the gate.

MM, you must have had to stay up late to deal w that accident...
So sorry for your troubles.
Please do consider setting up the GoFundMe. We can have our own fraternal organization. Lets us "small government" people put our money where our mouths are, ya know.

My sisters' children are a decade younger than mine, and whenever I would hear about their concerns and issues--which were much as mine were at the time my kids were the same age--I would think:

Little children, little problems.
Big children, big problems.

Honestly, I still do!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

My son is not home. He didn't call. I don't know where he is or where the car is.

I would appreciate prayers.

[henry]

Prayers sent. Hang in there Miss M.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Thanks, henry. I am going to post some stuff to distract me because I have been up since 4. I thought he would call or get a friend to bring him home.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
2m2 minutes ago

It wasn’t the White House, it wasn’t the State Department, it wasn’t father LaVar’s so-called people on the ground in China that got his son out of a long term prison sentence - IT WAS ME. Too bad! LaVar is just a poor man’s version of Don King, but without the hair. Just think..

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Part 2:

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
56s56 seconds ago

...LaVar, you could have spent the next 5 to 10 years during Thanksgiving with your son in China, but no NBA contract to support you. But remember LaVar, shoplifting is NOT a little thing. It’s a really big deal, especially in China. Ungrateful fool!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
2m2 minutes ago

The NFL is now thinking about a new idea - keeping teams in the Locker Room during the National Anthem next season. That’s almost as bad as kneeling! When will the highly paid Commissioner finally get tough and smart? This issue is killing your league!.....

[James D.]

MM,

Eaters and good thoughts from here, too

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/missing-argentine-submarine-ara-san-juan-believed-found/

Unconfirmed report.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Thanks JamesD.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://www.weaselzippers.us/364918-breaking-dem-congressman-bob-brady-under-investigation-by-fbi-for-campaign-fraud-false-statements/

[jim nj]

Thanksgiving,

This is really long and I'll understand if you bypass it, but I think most of you will enjoy it.

I've often thought that our current Thanksgiving holiday focused on Pilgrims and American Indians in the Massachusetts Colony belies our true beginnings in America.

St. Augustine, founded in 1565 by Spanish explorers, is the oldest continuously occupied European-established settlement within the borders of the continental United States. (per Wikipedia)

Of course that discounts the Viking settlements In Vinland (now Canada). Ok, maybe they didn't settle in what is the modern-day USA. However, from some reports, they may have traveled much further west using Hudson's Bay and traveled further south on rivers into our heartland.

See http://www.sunnyway.com/runes/americanstones.html

Jamestown, VA, was considered the first "successful" English settlement on the mainland of North America, founded on May 14, 1607, only because Roanoke, which was established in 1585, the famous "lost Colony" on Roanoke Island in what is today's Dare County, North Carolina apparently failed. (see Wikipedia), The colonists disappeared during the Anglo-Spanish War, three years after the last shipment of supplies from England. Their disappearance gave rise to the nickname "The Lost Colony". There is no conclusive evidence as to what happened to the colonists.

So we come to Plymouth, the colony was established in 1620 and became the second successful English settlement in North America (after the founding of Jamestown, Virginia in 1607). The Puritans established the colony. When Puritanism first arose, some of them still maintained links with the Church of England. Others didn't and later were harassed by the government. Around 1607 many of the dissenters moved to The Netherlands, centered around Leiden. Due to Holland's more libertine mindset and other reasons the congregation believed it should move or die out.

I won't go into all the machinations that led them to Plymouth, but if you look at wikipedia they have a read on all the intrigue. The Pilgrims considered a Dutch colony in Guinea, Jamestown (no, too close to English royal influence), offers from Dutch companies to settle them in the Hudson River Valley, and all kinds of negotiations with the British government over the possibility of a land grant in America.

Their harrowing journey is worth reading about.

Here is where it's worth a diversion. All colonies in the Americas were backed by investors who expected a return on their money. The investors formed companies and issued stock backed by the land grants and charters that specified what was expected of the emigrants. When the Pilgrims left, they had neither a land patent nor a company charter. They created the "Mayflower Compact" to resolve the latter. The land patent issue was resolved shortly thereafter.

Around the same time, more or less, the Dutch West India Company was formed to take advantage of the Dutch East India Company's discovery, via Henry Hudson's exploration, of the Hudson River and it's valley. The Colony of New Netherland was conceived of in 1621, (from wikipedia), the claimed territories extended from the Delmarva Peninsula to extreme southwestern Cape Cod, while the more limited settled areas are now part of the Mid-Atlantic States of New York, New Jersey, Delaware, and Connecticut, with small outposts in Pennsylvania and Rhode Island. The main area of settlement of the New Netherland was to be in our present-day states of New York and New Jersey.

The settlement of New Sweden, founded by the Swedish South Company, encroached on its southern flank, i. e., present-day Delaware. The Dutch drove them out after many years.

Circa 1624, immigrants started arriving in New Netherland, most of them driven by the fur tade, primarily of beavers. In other words, mercantilists, not people seeking freedom of religion.

Pilgrims came to the Massachusetts Colony not for "freedom of religion", but to impose their own theocracy. Colonists to New Netherland came for economic opportunity. Ft. Orange (now Albany) and it's environs had more people than New Amsterdam (now Manhattan). People came for the fur trade, to build farms, new lives, or trade, and every one of them had to make a deal with the local Indians to gain a land patent, which was reviewed by the company before being recorded.

The colony thrived before the British conquered it in 1664. When they took over they found that only about half of the population was of Dutch descent. Early records refer to Danes, Irish, English, French, Swedes - I mean it was the first melting pot. Free blacks,slave blacks, indentured servants (white people), people of many religions, including Jews, who arrived in the 1650's. Peter Stuyvesant, the Governor, tried to get rid of them, but the Company said leave them alone.

The first Jewish congregation in the Americas was in Aruba, circa 16th century. The Touro Synagogue is a 1763 synagogue in Newport, Rhode Island, that is the oldest synagogue building still standing in the United States, the oldest surviving Jewish synagogue building in North America, and the only surviving synagogue building in the U.S. dating to the colonial era. However, Congregation Shearith Israel, founded in 1654, in New York City, is the oldest congregation in the United States. Its present building dates from 1897. Now that's freedom of religion. While the Puritans were exercising "freedom of religion" in a theocratic state, Jews were welcome in New Amsterdam.

I could go on about the superiority of the New Netherland settlement as more representative of the modern US, but I'll offer you another point. The Mayflower Society is open to anyone, male or female, who can prove descent from anybody on the Mayflower. The second oldest society, perhaps, is the Holland Society of New York, which was founded in New York City in 1885 to collect information respecting the settlement and history of New Netherland. Membership is restricted to male descendants of Dutch colonists. In other words, you have to bear the surname of a Dutch colonist and be a male as well. Others are allowed to apply for associate membership. Which society do you think has more potency in the here and now? Stupid Holland Society.

And, Oh yeah, I'm a second cousin of Pres. Martin Van Beuren seven times removed, one of the most useless Presidents of our history, but I guess that makes me a semi-royal deplorable.

[danoso]

Good news if that sub is really there in 230 ft of water, they’d have a shot in that case depending on what forced them down.

Sorry to hear about all your troubles, MM. Terrible way to start the holidays.

[jim nj]

230 feet is within the range of deep divers. If the Argentinians are alive there is a good chance at keeping them alive depending upon the capabilities of the nearby surface fleet.

[rse]

MM-I will tell a story to distract you from your concerns. we took the kids to plymouth on our way to chatham back in 2000 on cape cod so they were all under 10. We were on the road to where the actual plimouth plantation was and it was low tide. The sea gulls knew precisely how high they needed to fly to drop the scooped up oysters exposed by the low tide on the asphalt road to crack them open.

The kids found that so entertaining and unexpected. It was a specific height they somehow knew to go to and only over the road. We stopped and watched and it is still one of their clearest memories from the place years later.

please think of my spouse's family this holiday season. somehow the true reason for fluid buildup in the lungs was not appreciated until the hospital told them point blank monday that my mil would have to be moved to hospice. I had been cooking for them since last hospital stay as cooking from scratch has the requisite low sodium.

I recognized the signs last summer and had pushed the kids to spend time there when possible. We had to break news to the diva when we picked her up from airport last night. When you make it to your 20s with all 4 grandparents somehow it seems natural that they will always be there.

[jim nj]

Footage of the North Korean defector

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-42075986/north-korea-defection-footage-of-moment-soldier-flees

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

My son is in jail. I looked up the inmate records. He is charged with driving while intoxicated.

I couldn't understand how 2 glasses of wine would do that. My daughter went into his room and there are 6 empty vodka bottles in the closet. He has been here 2 weeks.

He has been working nights at a restaurant and getting home at 2 in the morning, so I had no idea about this. I imagine he had had something to drink before he had the wine; had I known I would never have let him have the car.

I think he is probably an alcoholic who has been very clever about hiding it. He probably needs treatment. I am going to call the jail switchboard once they open for business and see whether or not he will be released with a court date or held.

At least he is somewhere safe. My daughter said he was distraught last night when she went to the accident scene and I was afraid he was suicidal.

Thanks to all of you for your prayers.

[jim nj]

On the Argentine sub, I'm not seeing anything, other than MM's post, and references from the UK Sun and an Australian paper.

If the reports are true, they are being closely held. Either they are speculative, or they're not being released so as to spare the families.

[Jim Eagle]

MM,

You need to do a crowdfunding. Maybe Iggy or Porch can tell you how to set it up.

Talk to your pastor about your son and any problems you believe he may have. Most Catholic parishes have social services. Another outlet is to find the local "Friends of Bill" meeting place.

But you have a lot of friends and respect here. Use it.

Off to mass at school and early dismissal.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
1h1 hour ago

The NFL is now thinking about a new idea - keeping teams in the Locker Room during the National Anthem next season. That’s almost as bad as kneeling! When will the highly paid Commissioner finally get tough and smart? This issue is killing your league!..

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Jack,

Thank you for the suggestions. I want him to get help and was just sitting here trying to figure out what to do. The jail switchboard opens at 8 and I will call them to see whether he is going to be released or not.

When I looked up his jail record he is also on there for being arrested for public intoxication back in 2011. This has apparently been going on for a while.
Since he has lived away from me for a long time, he's been able to hide it from me.

[Thomas Collins]

My Thanksgiving prayers are for you, MM.

And rich, you may not want to be with anyone on Thanksgiving, but we're all here with you anyway!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

Will be having meetings and working the phones from the Winter White House in Florida (Mar-a-Lago). Stock Market hit new Record High yesterday - $5.5 trillion gain since E. Many companies coming back to the U.S. Military building up and getting very strong.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://nypost.com/2017/11/21/jpmorgan-hired-ex-cons-gave-them-access-to-customer-data-watchdog/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow

[Marlene]

MM,my thoughts will be with you today.

[Thomas Collins]

Our Prez's poor man version of Don King tweet, as a late entry in my TC Tweet of the Year deliberations, is making me rethink who should win the coveted award (I was going to announce the winner on the Charlie Rose show before Charlie ran into some "issues"). I was all set to give the award to Zinke, another late entry, for his no limit on bagging terrorists in Africa rejoinder. I still think Zink's going to be the winner, but as one who has watched a few Don King news conferences in fights he promoted, I am still laughing about the tweet.

[joan]

MM, thoughts and prayers go to you through these coming days.

[jim nj]

MM,

He'll have a bail hearing tomorrow. If he gets released on an ROR, you'll have to talk him into rehab. If he has health insurance, you can walk him right in there. If not, talk to the judge to deny bail and get him to put your son into rehab on the state's dime as part of a pre-trial intervention.

If your son is an alcoholic, even a functional alcoholic, the crash, his embarrassment and your concern may be enough for him to seek treatment.

From experience, it's time for tough love, even if it tears your heart apart.

I would try to talk to the DA and the judge before the hearing if that's possible.

I'm hoping for the best.

[Buckeye]

Jim nj,

William Bradford is Mrs. Buckeye's x great gradndfather.

A guy named Thomas Carpenter who went to Jamestown in 1627 is mine.

Plymouth and Jamestown may not has been as successful as New Netherlands, but successful enough, she and I are here:)

[Robin, 10 Square Miles...yadda, yadda]

MM,

I’m so sorry. You have certainly been tested this year and I would love to help, so please set up a gofundme and allow us to show appreciation for your good cheer, unwaveringly optimism, and plethora of useful links.

Robin

[Gentlejim]

MM,
Unless he's currently out on bond he should be able to post bail/bond and be released after he's deemed sober, which will be a minimum of 8 hours.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

David Martosko‏Verified account @dmartosko
8m8 minutes ago

Oof. Just 22% of Minnesotans say Al Franken should fight the charges and keep his job no matter what

[jim nj]

Buckeye,

I have a line of descent that I haven't walked back all the way, but I think I'm a Mayflower descendant too. Offhand I can't remember the surname now, but there was a genealogy that traced him back there. I don't claim what I can't prove from my own research, but it's there.

If your ancestors lived early enough in our country's history we're all connected one way or another.

[Rocco]

MissM, I used to hide the vodka in a white vinegar bottle in the fridge. He may need an intervention. Don't enable him MissM...get tough with him. Make him choose between the vodka and his loved ones. He may not make the right choice but it's the best thing you can do for him

rse, prayers on the way

[henry]

Instapundit.com Retweeted
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Ali 👑 @ali
17h

Being told that 25+ Members of Congress are *currently* being investigated over sexual harassment claims. This may get messy.

[daddy on iPad]

What's The Matter With Kansas Minnesota?

State Sen. Dan Schoen, Rep. Tony Cornish both to resign after harassment claims---Two Minnesota lawmakers announce they will resign on same day following harassment allegations that reverberated at State Capitol.

[Porchlight]

Miss M, I'm traveling today, but will be happy to help you set up a GoFundMe. I think I can find you on FB; if not, most of the regulars here have my email.

I'm so sorry. It is a hard thing to bear, but I am glad you found out about your son's problem before something worse happened.

Praying for you and for rse.

[Buckeye]

MM

So sorry to hear of your son's alcoholism. Hopefully he will accept treatment.

[jimmyk]

The Touro Synagogue is a 1763 synagogue in Newport, Rhode Island, that is the oldest synagogue building still standing in the United States

My maternal great grandfather is buried in the little cemetery at this synagogue. Ironically, Touro and Shearith Israel were recently in a lengthy court battle over ownership of some valuable artifacts.

Sorry to hear of your woes, Miss M. Hope that your son is ok and that this is the wake-up call that gets him in the right direction.

[henry]

Land-O-Lakes Pervs

[Buckeye]

If your ancestors lived early enough in our country's history we're all connected one way or another.

So true jim nj. She actually has traced 2 other relatives that were Plymouth settlers, just not as well known as Bradford.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

The @USNavy is conducting search and rescue following aircraft crash. We are monitoring the situation. Prayers for all involved.
===============================
This is about the aircraft crash in the Philippine Sea.

[Marlene]

I keep thinking about all the money in the slush/shush fund. The money to pay claims could have been used *for the children.* What a bunch of hypocrites.

[Janet 🚬]

Rich -
You're welcome to come to my house for Thanksgiving. I'm not sure my cooking can compete with a Stouffer's turkey dinner, but my husband is a good cook & we're a friendly bunch!
Come around noon or 1. Not sure when we're gonna eat, but we'll just be hanging around, noshing, cooking, & talking.
Just come.

MM,

One great thing is that AA is free. Meetings are everywhere & at all different times, day & night. The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking.
Tons of info on the internet.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fusion-gps-paid-journalists-court-papers-confirm/article/2641454?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Examiner+Today&utm_source=StructureCMS

[James D.]

MM, I’m so sorry. No advice to give (others here have covered that admirably, though) just more prayers and hopes, and a contribution when the GoFundMe is up.

[sbw]

Miss Marple, your bad news may have a kernel of good news within. My uncle was an alcoholic and exceedingly devious about it -- fooling himself along the way.

He spent many worthwhile years, thanks to my aunt and AA, after coming face-to-face with his addiction.

An expensive lesson, perhaps, but if it turns out fruitful, worth the price.

Prayers.

[Buckeye]

Praying for your MIL and your family rse.

[Texas Liberty Gal]

Oh MM, my heart breaks for you - you & your family are in my prayers

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

My son hasn't been booked yet.

The car is out on the west side in an impound lot and I have to pay a rather large fee to get it released. There is no exterior damage that the gal can see but the record says he drove up on the median so there may be damage to the underside.

[Another Bob]

First, Newsweek compares Manson with Trump. (Then "edits" the story.)

Now the NYT compares Manson with the "far right".

These people are f'ing insane.

[narcisoyea]

Yes they are:

https://spectator.org/the-ultimate-argument-for-roy-moore/

[narcisoyea]

This grishenko business gets silly:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/21/exclusive-central-figure-in-backdoor-overture-request-denies-that-russian-official-sought-trump-meeting

[jimmyk]

What a drama queen:

https://pagesix.com/2017/11/21/author-gets-in-tiff-with-steve-bannons-security-in-elevator/

She confronts a guy surrounded by security guards and evidently thinks she's entitled to a warm smile? How do they know she doesn't have a gun? And she wasn't touched.

[joan]

I read that pagesix article, jimmyk, and thought what an arrogant idiot. She, and others like her, should be jeered instead of getting their comments into an article anywhere.

[Rocco]

I just rejuvenated a dead car battery that had been sitting in my shed for two years with epsom salt and a trickle charger. Don't buy a new battery.

[Captain Hate]

She confronts a guy surrounded by security guards and evidently thinks she's entitled to a warm smile? How do they know she doesn't have a gun? And she wasn't touched.

Exactly. Emily Smith needs to get the sand out of her crack regarding this mouthy "life fulfillment expert" and getting "nearly roughed up" when in fact nothing happened. Sounds like something in the Daily News instead of the Post.

[Jane - not "in"]

Charlie Rose interviews Kevin Spacey about Bill Clinton:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/11/hilarious_watch_charlie_rose_interview_kevin_spacey_on_bill_clintons_sex_accusations.html

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Ari Fleischer‏Verified account @AriFleischer
25m25 minutes ago

To anyone critical of Trump believing Moore, pls see what Rep. Clyburn said re Conyers: Clyburn said he was not sure the claims “have any real substance. You can’t jump to conclusions with these types of things. For all I know, all of this could be made up.” (Source: NYT)

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Ari is turning into a pretty stand-up guy, especially for someone who worked for Bush 43.

[DebinGA]

{(MM)} ..."For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found" (Luke 15:24).

[Captain Hate]

Happy day before Thanksgiving, Deb; good to see you back.

[daddy on iPad]

Please pardon my going on topic, but seems to me Tillerson has a new group of about a dozen goldbricks he should either can or reassign to FOIA suties.

I still think the big thing about this Rex Tillerson story is this bit:

"A confidential State Department “dissent” memo, which Reuters was first to report on..."

So an apparent illegal leak of a State Dept confidential document to the Press, and that intentional crime doesn't even raise an eyebrow.

[henry]

Sessions does keep talking about leak investigations... so maybe these deep state dorks will regret this one.

[henry]

Fusion GPS paid by Russian money launderer. This in addition to Hillary's campaign and the DNC. Now we know where the money to pay the "journalists" came from.

[Captain Hate]

I really hope Sessions is ready to lower the boom on large numbers of people about these leaks.

[JimNorCal]

More Moore. One story falls apart.

http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2017/11/liberals-used-al-franken-to-discredit.html#more
Corfman said Moore met her outside a courtroom when he was an assistant district attorney in February 1979.
She said she gave him her mother's phone number and that he called her. They went out after that, she said.
The records show that could not happen.
...
The Post failed to tell readers that at that February 21, 1979, court case Wells voluntarily gave up custody of Corfman to Corfman’s father, Robert R. Corfman. ... The Post further did not tell readers that as a result of the joint petition to change custody, the court ordered the 14-year-old Corfman to move to her father’s house starting on March 4, 1979. Court documents show the father’s address in Ohatchee, and not in Gadsden, where her mother lived and where Corfman says the meetings with Moore took place.
This would mean that from the court hearing on February 21, 1979, until Corfman was ordered to move to her father’s house, Moore would only have had 12 days, including the day of the court hearing, to have repeatedly called Corfman at her mother’s Gadsden house, arrange two meetings, and attempt another.

[Rocco]

I hope he starts with his DoJ for leaking The FBI whistle blower's name.

[Thomas Collins]

Life Fulfillment Expert? Is that a STEM area of knowledge?