Saved Bill, Got Trump

Here's a feminist who resolutely refuses to learn from the past:

I’m a feminist. I study rape culture. And I don’t want Al Franken to resign.

Her gist - Yeah, I'm a Democrat, but however bad Franken is the Republicans are worse. And they won't resign in the face of scandal so why should we?

That is the deal that saved Bill Clinton and eventually torpedoed his wife, so how is this strategy working out for the Dems?

 

Comments

[Comanche Voter]

I don't know, but I've been told, Al Franken will be out in the cold. Sound off one two three four.

It's got a beat and you can march to it. The Drill Sarges will love it.

[narcisoyea]

Its a reasonable precaution, conskdring the times

https://mobile.twitter.com/seanmdav/status/931547796150288384?p=v

[boatbuilder]

Like you I suspect that Franken has a lot of Wienstenian skeletons in his closet, but as a Trump supporter I am not buying the "we know he must have done a lot worse" argument.
I also think that Franken should never have become a senator in the first place, and his position as one is almost literally a joke.
But I am a big believer in proof. Trial by innuendo is offensive to me. There is proof that he behaved like a complete boorish ass, That's enough for me but on the scale of political sexual misconduct it is pretty minor. If there's proof of something worse lets see it.

[daddy]

Rocco,

Loved your story a few days back about Ted Kennedy banging some gal in a motorboat, thus finally being in favor of "offshore drilling."

Thank goodness our PC culture hasn't yet outlawed laughter.

[boatbuilder]

Yeah, Danoso--Trump does know stuff. So for the record I'm not defending Franken--I'm just not buying that we should assume there's worse stuff because we don't like his politics.

[narcisoyea]

Some frauds in new bottles

http://.nationalreview.com/article/453822/population-panic-returns-left-revives-argument-procreation-immoral

[JimNorCal]

daddy, enjoyed the hour long BBC piece on The Beach Boys. The narrator has a non London accent. Presumably a more common working class guy. The first wife of Brian looks and sounds like a sweetie. Probably just perfect for him. The story of how they met makes an interesting contrast with the stories we're hearing the last couple weeks.

[boatbuilder]

daddy--that "offshore drilling" line (a classic) was from none other than Teddy's Senate colleague, one Orrin Hatch.

[narciso]

I though that was howell heflin (d foghorn leghorn) who came up with that phrase

[Dave (in MA)]

Another one,

Richard Blumenthal (D-'Nam)

http://www.pacificpundit.com/2017/11/17/linda-flores-accuses-democrat-richard-blumenthal-of-sexual-assault/

[narciso]

The irony is with voter fraud, embezzlement (re air america) and other charges smalleys grope attempt was near beer.

[Janeprobably about 10 minutes after getting there]

I hare Blumenthall, so good!

[narciso]

I hare him too jane:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.artnet.com/market/1153085-1153085/amp-page

So they don't have a clue either, or any notion that it's legitimate.

[daddy]

for the record I'm not defending Franken--I'm just not buying that we should assume there's worse stuff because we don't like his politics.

Boat,

I'd love to hear from Dennis Miller about behind the scenes at SNL on Franken but I doubt we ever will. I do recall Dennis during the extended Vote count in Minnesota, when Franken was still a thousand votes behind Norm Coleman, saying on his radio show that Franken was going to win because Franken was an extremely tough undetermined fighter who was going to do whatever it took to manufacture votes and win, and that Coleman was going to lose because Coleman did not understand Franken's true nature and he was sitting around stupidly expecting the process to work honorably.

BTW,

Please tell Mrs Boat that I finally got to her book recommendation from 4 years back, "Station Eleven," and enjoyed the read.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Dan Scavino Jr.‏Verified account @Scavino45
8m8 minutes ago

After today’s meet/greet and team photo in the East Room of the @WhiteHouse with @POTUS @realDonaldTrump, The University of Oklahoma’s {@OU_Softball} NCAA National Championship Women’s Softball team asked if they could pray with #POTUS45...

For tablet users:

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[daddy]

Since DC is now engaging in historical revisionism, and Gillibrand is now saying that Bill Clinton should have resigned, let me be the first SJW of expedience to say that Jimmy Carter should have resigned when he admitted that he had committed lust and adultery in his heart.

[Free James D!]

I'm just not buying that we should assume there's worse stuff because we don't like his politics.

I'm not assuming there's worse stuff because of his politics. I'm assuming it because he's always come across as a total creep and a-hole, even before he was political at all; and because he came out of a Hollywood culture that is completely toxic and vile, and it would be absolutely shocking if he WASN'T a total criminal perv.

[sbw]

Sorry, daddy, dreams are different. Carter should not have been pilloried his remark -- then or now.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Watching dems on Fox's various shows tonight, the effort is now being made to say that secual harassment is apolitical and we should get rid of ALL officials who are accused of it.

Nice try, dems. We have evidence on Franken and an admission. You can try dragging out more accusers of President Trump, but unless you have evidence I am not buying it.

Plus, since we ended up with8 years of known sexual predator Bill Clinton, I figure we are owed 8 years of President Trump, even if he pinched some woman's butt. (Which is pretty classless and I doubt he did.)

[narciso]

true he has said many verifiably stupid things 'our fear of communism Is exagerrated' in fact he was poorly stating a saying of jesus.

[daddy]

I'm watching Judge Jeanine and I think Doug Schoen just said that Gillibrand should resign for backstabbing the Clinton's and using this revisionist history for personal advantage. A very aggressive Tammi Bruce has been on fire and throwing some fine punches in the melee!

[narciso]

Matthew 5:28, if memory serves. So Carlos slims blatantly misrepresents Sean davis, in part because he has dinged the paper so readily.

[daddy]

Via Dave's 08:57:

Meet Linda Flores. She was an intern at a law office that Democrat Richard Blumenthal worked out in between lying about his time in the Vietnam and becoming the loopy Democrat Senator from Connecticut. Linda Flores, who has been forced to make her Twitter account private because of left wing attacks and threats on her said that Blumenthal sexually assaulted her numerous times....

We're supposed to believe the girl, right?

[narciso]

Now judge Jeanine and Geraldo have reported fallen for the travisnockasham around justice moore.

[daddy]

Geraldo is saying he doesn't buy any of this Sex Harassment revisionism going on as legit. He says it's all partisan faux outrage. My guess is he is as guilty as all the rest and is doing some prelim ass covering when charges come out against him, blaming it on partisan Geraldo-haters. As I recall Geraldo was the guy who gratuitously told us he had had sex with Bette Midler, which was low class as possible, then hit on OJ's dead wife's sister.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

This ban on elephant trophy imports has turned into a real big deal for my daughter, who lit into me about it tonight and also about the Trump boys going hunting in Africa.

Efforts to explain controlled hunting of herds was met like I had suggested killing and skinning our dogs. Logic did not prevail on this at all, so I am here in my office/bedroom hiding out.

When I told her he had put a hold on making a decision, she said he shouldn't even have to think about it.

I have seen Greta van Sustern, Tammy Bruce and James Woods get all upset about this on Twitter.

Of such seemingly trivial things are attitudes turned, so I sincerely hope he has a wise way to get through this decision.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
2h2 hours ago

Put big game trophy decision on hold until such time as I review all conservation facts. Under study for years. Will update soon with Secretary Zinke. Thank you!

[daddy]

Sorry, daddy, dreams are different. Carter should not have been pilloried his remark -- then or now.

I don't know, SBW.

No less an authority than Kirsten Powers (Anthony Weiner's old girlfriend) told us earlier today that the reason Mike Pence has to have another male in the elevator with him if a girl gets in is because he is unable to control his animal nature and he would rape her in an instant if he had the opportunity. Using Kirsten's logic I have to think Jimmy Carter was a committed rapist as well who just never could shake Rosalyn or his Security Detail. I mean seriously, just look at Poppa Bush the arse pincher:)

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I think Appalled has Asperger's Syndrome.
Doesn't seem to grasp social cues or process them normally.
How else to explain someone "letting" someone do something to not be consent? What normal person listens to a tape that contains that exculpatory line and then thinks it spells big trouble come a civil trial?

[Rocco]

MissM

I hope this helps a bit with your daughter. In 1923, 60,000 deer starved to death on the Kaibab Plateau in the Grand Canyon National Game Preserve when hunting was banned.

https://www.biologycorner.com/worksheets/kaibab.html

When I was younger wild turkey was extinct in Massachusetts. Because sportsmen fund wildlife conservation with out license fees and taxes, wild turkey inhabits our woods again.

[Clarice Feldman]

Dave, the Blumenthal charge is a phony --

[narciso]

Exactly it's like the Wilt ChAmberlain pretender in ahia, if all the associations were consensual no problem, now was he married at the time.

[Clarice Feldman]

Daddy, Blumenthal charge i fake--phony twitter account. Not true.

[daddy]

Thanks, Clarice for clarifying that Blumenthal story is phony.

I was thinking Christmas didn't come until next month:)

[Frau Nie wieder Algore]

Have a laugh on one of CA's daring deadbeats of deception in 1993:

“Mexico must do its share, because the day when America could be the welfare system for Mexico is gone. We simply can’t afford it…

“It’s a competition for space, whether the space is a job, the space is a home, a place in a classroom, it becomes a competition for space.

“This is a country that’s based on immigration and we all know that. And yet, at times you become so over-taxed, you have to concentrate on saying, ‘The people who should be here are those who come legally at this time.’ And we’ve got to, for the time being, enforce our borders.”

(Frisco's Feinstein)

[Frau Nie wieder Algore]

Clarice, Dicky B. is still ugly as sin--inside and out.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

The phrase "Anthony Weiner's old girlfriend" should disqualify the person it applies to from any matter pertaining to opinion, judgment or even sanity.
She should have to walk around with a scarlet I[mbecile] tattooed on her forehead.

[Catsmeat]

I love narciso, and if I have time and energy try to track down his elliptical links, but darling, must one type in mittens? (Do not smite me, please--a fan).

[narciso]

You would think marrying that copt doctor might have given some insight.

[Janet 🚬]

Hunting leases on many ranches in Texas has really grown.
Now there is money to be made with oil, cattle, AND the wildlife.
Ranchers are much more attuned to keeping a healthy habitat & not having too many cattle or overgrazing.
My dad was involved in the first hunting leases on the King Ranch.

[narciso]

Which particular malapropism, travismockasham is a contraction from bananas fielding mellish, at his show trial. Judge o'neil is conflating Apple's and origins. Catlos slims is my short hand for the times due to its Latin benefactor.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Elephant hunting funds most of the game departments and anti poaching efforts in Africa. Elephant hunting and culling is often the only protein the locals get. Are the people who love Dumbo so much going to make up the difference?

Elephants are in decline because of poaching and loss of habitat, not because of sport hunting.

[Rocco]

Sometimes we're our own worst enemy when it comes to hunting. I don't know what the actual numbers are but just as an example let's say that 20% of the population on one end of the spectrum hunt and 20% on the other end are anti-hunting. That leaves a great big percentage in the middle who may be swayed one way or the other. The peak of the breeding season for deer is right now where I live and I recently saw a guy driving on the highway with a beautiful deer strapped to the roof of the car. I wish I would have had a chance to explain to this moron that kids are home writing their letters to Santa and you killed Rudolf and strapped him to the roof of your car. He just pushed a whole lot of people towards the anti-hunters. So it's in our best interest to be good and ethical hunters.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Ignatz,

You can come talk to my daughter. There is no reasoning with elephant lovers about this. It escalates into "no one should kill any animals for sport" rather quickly and you are accused of not caring if the animals suffer. Believe me, I just went through this.

I don't like hunting myself, because I am soft-hearted squish. The one time I went rabbit hunting with my dad I felt guilty for a couple of years. I am just not cut out for it, because I am the type of person who takes spiders outside in paper cups and releases them and also one who pretends in her head that hamburger grows on trees.

However, I understand how you keep healthy herds and reduce poaching, even if I don't want to be involved in it myself, because I think it is important to keep species healthy and not doomed to extinction.

This is one of those hot-button issues which can snowball into a real problem if the administration isn't careful.

[narcisoyea]

Maybe he saw too many of those old cartoons about hunting season when he was a kid

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Rocco,

Maybe the NRA needs to do an explanation of PR to hunters.

I really understand your frustration about that.

Disney has made at least 3 generations think that deer chat with each other in the forest and are just like people. (It is similar probably to why I take spiders outside in a cup, because I read Charlotte's Web with my children.)

[daddy]

Speaking of Playboy mag:

Caption: Congratulations, Baer---I think you've wiped out the species!"

[narcisoyea]

I hadn't actually seen judge o'neil, before I think he was wishcasting.

[Clarice Feldman]

remind your daughter that Africans have the same bad habit we do--the need to eat, and if we don't find a way for them to make money except by growing crops large herds eat and trample, both the people there and the elephants will starve to death.

Nytol--On travel all day tomorrow.

[Catsmeat]

I think I am good with the proposition that spiders aren't people, nor even doe-eyed deer, nor even my dear, dear, dogs, nor even my dear but hopelessly not exactly reasonable cats. That doesn't mean that I don't wish for some heavenly solution that includes us all (minus, of course, the spiders, who are there to haunt us).

[exdemocrat]

"When I told her he had put a hold on making a decision, she said he shouldn't even have to think about it."

making decisions without thinking first is a hallmark of the left isn't it?

[narcisoyea]

How is this not a major story, rhetorical:

https://www.weaselzippers.us/364459-gloria-allred-why-does-anybody-doubt-roy-moores-yearbook-signature-video/

[Frau Nie wieder Algore]

Newspapers have regular full-page ads stating how many elephants are killed by African poachers on a *daily* basis--I think 90 is the number given. This makes it hard to believe any are still alive. Photos of mutilated, dead animals make it easy to see why public opinion is against any killing.

The poachers need to be eliminated. Fire or woodchipper--either is good.

[narcisoyea]

Yes its a ridiculous statistic:

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/brad-wilmouth/2017/11/17/cnn-news-one-now-ignore-black-police-officer-murdered-baltimore

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Frau,

I hate to think another government program is the answer, but maybe a government-private partnership on both funding the villagers (maybe a "days without dead elephants" bonus) coupled with something for them to earn a living might be a good idea.

It's a real problem, but the solution isn't PR friendly as currently written.

Hay, here's an idea. Since the elephant is the mascot of the GOP, maybe they should sponsor some sort of program to stop the elephant killing!

[exdemocrat]

how about if Trump authorizes hunters to shoot the poachers?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--you are accused of not caring if the animals suffer--

Anyone who believes that has never seen a starving deer or a coyote with scabies or mange up close.
The suffering the average wild animal endures, especially the final suffering before death, is unimaginable to those tucked in their cozy homes with their imaginations full of Thumper and Bambi.
Nature is not only red in tooth and claw, it is full of the most appalling parasites, disease and painful, lingering death.

[narcisoyea]

Well there's a modest proposal with bite.

[Rocco]

Yep, Bambi with those great big brown eyes! And now it's Dory, the baby fish with short term memory loss. If I've watched that once, I've watched it a million times. My granddaughter was Dory for Halloween, her father just got his commercial striper license. Time will tell?

Glad you liked it daddy!

nite all

[exdemocrat]

ig - only deplorables are woke to life as it really is.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Ignatz,

You and I know this. The Bambi people think you are making it up.

I can guarantee you my daughter thinks that animals live to a ripe old age until they die of sudden heart attacks.

My guess is that an elephant, if it could actually express thinking, would rather die from a bullet to the head than linger in pain for months.

[mad jack]

Rocco: We now have so many wild turkeys on cape cod they cause traffic jams. the dumb birds are everywhere. the pilgrims only wish the turkey population was as large then as it is now.

[Frau Nie wieder Algore]

Poachers are invading the parks and reserves to kill elephants for ivory, as I understand it, and not to protect fields and settlements. Rhinos are killed for their horns to brighten some idiot's hope for a renewed sex life.

What is the actual danger of exterminating the African elephants? Whales have a safer future. Anti-poacher drones needed?

I'm off to read Walt Erickson's "Almost Paradise." Have you read it, narciso?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://cbs4indy.com/2017/11/17/indianapolis-named-one-of-the-worst-cities-for-singles/

Good. Maybe all of those Californian singles will decide to relocate somewhere else, like Illinois.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Sadly, exdem, it's worse than that.
Scads of these Bambi lovers know exactly how awful nature is and yet they prefer the most gruesome deaths so they can signal their non existent virtue.
The frequent overpopulation of whitetails being a prime example, as they prefer them starving to culling the herds.
Same with wild horses and burros. They displace native wild animals and destroy range but any attempt to remove or limit them is met with immoral moral outrage.
Many are woke to life as it really is but they prefer their pipe dreams no matter the cost to others.

[GUS]

I'm 265 miles north, I have a .308 Remington locked and loaded. There are MANY DEER here on the GUS RANCH, and by hook or crook I shall shoot one dead. Wish me luck, wish me safety, wish me Tasty!!!

[Rocco]

Oh that suffering part irks me. I've passed up several shots because I didn't want to take a chance at wounding an animal. You don't have to believe me but everyone I hunt with won't take a shot unless they're confident a well placed bullet or arrow will prevent that animal from suffering. I passed up a beautiful buck because I only had a neck shot and unless you hit that juggler, well I didn't want that buck to suffer. I also passed up a huge black bear because she had three cubs. Most of us are ethical hunters and all the hunters I know feel they owe that animal they're hunting that respect. There's a big difference between a hunter and a killer.

again

[Frau Nie wieder Algore]

I'm on your side, Iggy and Rocco, with your general thesis.

Sleep tasty

[Rocco]

I hear that mad jack, ain't it great?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Game departments and professional hunters will often cull elephants [and hippos and crocs, etc] that encroach on villages, since human death is often the result if they don't.
Rhinos are also killed to make dagger handles for the fruitcakes Yemenis.

[mad jack]

ig: wasn't it bukarin who said he still believed in stalin even as he was being led to his death after a show trial because he said if he didnt believe his life would have been for naught. (narc will correct me if i have the wrong commie). kind of the same kind of thinking for these animal crazies absent the immediate death sentence for themselves. so they got that going for them...which is nice.

[exdemocrat]

ig - i'm a lifelong city boy so tbh i don't know jack shit about hunting etc. however, even i know that people are designed to eat other animals and hamburgers aren't grown from seedlings at whole foods.
and so does my city-slicker 11 year old princess

[exdemocrat]

ot: mad jack: is that "which is nice" quip a Fast Show reference? :-)

[Dave (in MA)]

Fake but accurate.

[mad jack]

rocco: i actually think its pretty cool as we never saw any of this kind of wildlife as a kid on the cape when the population was half of what it is now but between the cyotes and the turkeys we might need a little culling. i know my neighbor was asking if id object if a certain very large predator that had been wondering the hood met his maker. i said i was sergeant Schultz as far as that was concerned:-).

[mad jack]

exdem: caddyshack reference

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

It occurs to me that this elephant thing might have been pushed up by an anti-Trump person in Interior.

The goal would have been to make him sign it based on the "science" presented, in order to make him look heartless.

I say find the Interior employee responsible and ask why this was such a priority.

Not saying it isn't the right decision, but there might be other solutions and to suddenly have this appear as an issue makes me think it was designed to be released when advantageous to the Hillary-Obama factions.

[Dave (in MA)]

DanRiehl‏ @DanRiehl

One day perhaps the courts will let us screen for potential terrorists entering the US as thoroughly as we do for elephant tusks. Imagine that.

[Captain Hate]

Disney has made at least 3 generations think that deer chat with each other in the forest and are just like people.

They also did the big lie on lemmings, which I can't for the life of me figure out why they did except "hey, let's make this cute but boring animal really interesting to viewers". It's really sick when you think of it, and has jaundiced my view of Disney going back to ol' Walt himself, because acting like he didn't know what was going on is like excusing Stalin for what his underlings did (a stretched simile perhaps).

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://nypost.com/2017/11/17/fountain-of-youth-may-be-hidden-inside-tiny-amish-community/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow

This community is in Indiana.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Think I had better head to bed.

Nytol!

[Captain Hate]

Two mentions of Stalin on the same page and he wasn't the thread topic must be some kind of JOM record.

[boatbuilder]

Our local Turkey is running for mayor. Hangs out right at the corner of Main and Church St.
http://www.courant.com/community/wethersfield/hc-wethersfield-celebrity-turkey-20171012-story.html

[Captain Hate]

It occurs to me that this elephant thing might have been pushed up by an anti-Trump person in Interior.

The goal would have been to make him sign it based on the "science" presented, in order to make him look heartless.

The MFM propagandists colluded on that quickly since I woke up to my wife bitching about it like a brainless tool.

[Captain Hate]

“Mexico must do its share, because the day when America could be the welfare system for Mexico is gone. We simply can’t afford it…

Mexico will always be a client state of the US no matter what the La Raza deadbeats say.

[Texas Liberty Gal]

Gus - I heard you got a new job! Congrats!! What is your new job?

[daddy]

From the previous thread:

The informant will testify next week before Congress.
Assuming he's still alive. Why on earth would the DoJ disclose his name before he testifies?

Ext,

Perhaps to give the Media the opportunity to paint him beforehand as some venal lobbyist, thus diminishing his motive, character, and testimony.

[mad jack]

CH: topic of the thread? it's like i don't even know who you are anymore! ;-)

[boatbuilder]

I recall when I first heard Red Sox TV Color guy Jerry Remy, a local, talking about the then White Sox (I think) player Starlin Castro, and wondering how far gone his parents must have been to name the poor kid Stalin Castro.
Sort of on topic:)

[mad jack]

ha, boat! drizzle, drassel, drossel, drome time for this one to go home! nite.

[rich]

awesome a new thread for me to catch up on. gonna copy and paste what I wanted to respond to from over there to here.

cracked open some Celebration and am finally sitting down for my pork roast, some steamed broccoli and carrots, and a dinner roll (extra butter)

https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/140/1904/

the hoppiness has a strong bitter bite and this batch is a bit more boozy than list it seems. clean finish ... and worthy of the 4.15 at the beer advocate.

press post.

[narcisoyea]

I don't think thats quite right, but I need to revisit vasili grossman, to be sure. but there is something dejavuish from the jacobins to the sandinistas re revolutions.

[narcisoyea]

Didn't he have a backfleinicht face:
http://spartacus-educational.com/RUSbukharin.htm

[narcisoyea]

Sounds like something out of the traveler series

http://telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/15/zimbabwe-general-visited-beijing-just-days-executing-coup

[JimNorCal]

re: the elephant thing. Not sure about the context but is it possible to let the actual, you know, African nations decide how to handle it?
If they OK a hunt, then why should the US ban a hunter from bringing back his or her trophy tusks?

I have a piece of deer horn I found while hiking, a very nice thing to smooth between your fingers. Also a small ivory (I assume walrus tusk) chess set which I bought from a retired Pan Am PR employee who claimed to have obtained it from the then crown prince of Japan. Beautifully carved, very pleasing to hold in your hand.

But why decide that some Western city slicker is superior to African citizens? Sadly, this sounds like an open-and-shut case of r a c i s m.

[narcisoyea]

Not that there is anything wrong with that:

https://mobile.twitter.com/alimhaider/status/931704988103053312?p=v

[rich]

>>>Two mentions of Stalin on the same page and he wasn't the thread topic must be some kind of JOM record.

Posted by: Captain Hate | November 17, 2017 at 11:32 PM<<<

scroll up to the topic ... the Great Democrat Sex Panic of 2017 ... resumes my Celebration and extra delicious port roast. Shoulda taken a picture.

[rich]

Posted by: JimNorCal | November 18, 2017 at 01:00 AM

transnational progressive imperialism

[JimNorCal]

From narciso's link:
"China (has) become Africa’s largest trading partner ..."

I sense that too, from reading articles over the years. Only a single data point, but on my last trip to China we visited a Chinese university. There were dozens of Africans studying there. A couple spoke English and chatted with us briefly. Although they were polite, they were distant. Felt like they perhaps were sympathetic to an attitude such as "we need Chinese help to throw off white/US/Euro domination".

[JimNorCal]

rich "transnational progressive imperialism"

I like that! Nytol