The Mourning After

Euphoric Democrats? Groan. But maybe they will be over-confident and fail to hone their message of All Anger All The Time.

And what about the Republican side? Surely they have no reason for over-confidence. The failing NY Times says that in swing states Trumpism is a loser without Trump although even they admit that Establishment Man Gillespie may not have been a credible choice to carry the Trump banner.

As an alternative, these pollsters say that Trump as messenger overwhelms and undermines the message. One might presume that a similar message from a more temperate voice would work fine. Or put people to sleep - we will know more in a year.

Comments

[Appalled]

All anger all the time sounds like a bipartisan product, TM. Maybe we'll all just get tired of the rage.

[narciso]

Gillespie dId worse than cuccinelli, but omelet man got his.

[RattlerGator]

Dammit, TM! A re-post:

* * *

As to Koskinen's stink bomb heading out the door...what did you expect by leaving a known fox inside the hen house after Jan 20, 2017? I remain in the dark about Trump's logic in THAT one.

Posted by: Old Lurker | November 08, 2017 at 08:36 AM

He's simply (and rather smartly, too) preparing the battlefield OL. You will profusely thank him later. But you have to allow these people to show their ass; otherwise, it will be very hard for average Americans to understand fully their duplicity.

Y'all may think some lessons weren't learned last night in Virginia but me thinks y'all are quite wrong about that. Trump's tweet was right on the money and drove home the point.

Ed Gillespie worked hard but did not embrace me or what I stand for. Don’t forget, Republicans won 4 out of 4 House seats, and with the economy doing record numbers, we will continue to win, even bigger than before!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 8, 2017

They don't really have much of a choice: learn, or lose and GTFO !!!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Trump as a messenger was exactly what cut through the political double-speak. The pollsters (dependent on political types for their livelihoods) are pushing exactly what these ingrates want to hear.

I am getting close to wishing for a Saudi Kingdom solution, which is not my nature and is, of course, unconstitutional, but dang, why these people do not get it I do not understand.

Or maybe they do, and that's even worse.

[James D.]

He's simply (and rather smartly, too) preparing the battlefield OL. You will profusely thank him later. But you have to allow these people to show their ass; otherwise, it will be very hard for average Americans to understand fully their duplicity.

But they HAVE shown their asses. In Koskinen's case, wasn't lying to Congress and destroying evidence enough? Especially when he's in charge of an agency that the average American already fears and hates?

[Appalled]

RG:

Is it fair to say your message is stay the course with Donald, because, face it guys, nothing else is working for you?

The needle, in my opinion, the MAGA group has to thread is to make sure the new supporters outweigh the refugees. That's easier to do when the other side is Hillary Clinton. Not as easy when it's not.

Agree with the common man's assessment that a Democratic House puts out Articles of Impeachment if they win the House in 2018, which seems a real possibility. That looks fine to me now, but ask me again in 2019. If RG's world of sunshine and imminent Springtime suddenly appears, and the Dems transition from the Crooked Hillary party to the Crackpot Bernie party, I could return to my mournful world of eternal indecision.

[James D.]

MM, I DO wish for a Saudi Kingdom solution at this point. I don't think anything less will get through to them.

[Appalled]

Is TM colluding with Russia? I see that he is advertising that Russian Ladies Online want to chat now....

Hope none of the Trump campaign clicked on those ads. Mueller will find them.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Appalled,

You think impeachment looks fine? What in the world are you thinking?

Nothing would get done, the MAGA people would go nuts, the dems would flood the airwaves with their vile attacks, and the country would be torn apart, worse than it is now.

So far the MAGA people have used their votes to effect change. No one wants what comes after that.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/11/08/mike-pence-it-has-been-year-accomplishments-editorials-debates/842613001/

[Appalled]

Miss M:

Trump is the GOP brand for the next 50 years. You see that as good. I don't. The GOP does not get free of it without something drastic. (It may not want to, I realize.)

IMHO, Trump is not the best way to avoid an OMG future. He's very bad at getting your group's priorities through the government, and his cultural victory against the NFL is about all he has on the W board. Y'all might be better off if he is successfully impeached, and someone else has to lead your movement.

[derwill]

--Agree with the common man's assessment that a Democratic House puts out Articles of Impeachment if they win the House in 2018, which seems a real possibility. That looks fine to me now . . . --

You do remember, don't you, that Clinton was impeached while he was in office, yet still finished his term in the WH? Impeachment alone would not remove Trump from office, and given that it would take a 2/3 vote in the Senate to actually accomplish this heartfelt desire of yours, you are likely destined to disappointment. However, the one thing it would accomplish would be to further harden the divisiveness and nasty political atmosphere in this country. And the consequence of that would be that whatever real political "moderates" that do exist in Congress would be driven from office.

Shouldn't you be appalled by that?

[RattlerGator]

Yes, James D., they have. But not enough of them in the right places. Soon come, trust me, soon come. The IRS making this move now -- you think that helps the Democrats ???

I don't think so.

* * *

Appalled seems stuck in November 7, 2016 land. I don't fear impeachment by a crazed House of Representatives. That would just insure the demolition of the Democrats who sat or supported 8 years of Barack Obama.

But we're not going to have a Democrat house as a result of the 2018 elections.

So I don't fear discussions of impeachment in the slightest. Democrats, however, have a hell of a lot more to fear than discussions of impeachment.

Winter is coming. Tom Maguire, you better tell Appalled what time it is.

[Sue]

Bannon tweeted last night that the Trump voters turned out. It was GOPe that stayed home.

[RattlerGator]

(I miss more comments than I catch these days but I did run across this bad boy)

RG tried to get me into that subject this morning but I restrained myself. I would have told him that Black dudes like him have already made white guys feel inferior in that department, but now he claims that even Black women outdo the white guys? Ouch!

White Guys Matter!

Posted by: Old Lurker | November 07, 2017 at 03:43 PM

So . . . you *did* see my bait and restrained yourself? My, my, my. White guys matter, indeed.

[henry]

Sue, that makes sense. Both Kristol and Egg told them to.

This morning both Kristol and Egg blamed Trump.

Coincidence?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Appalled,

I am sticking with the guy who put his very comfortable life on hold and risked everything to help this country. This is called LOYALTY, which is part of what is wrong with the GOP, in that many are not loyal to their voters but rather to unknown and unseen donors.

Trump as the face of the GOP suits me just fine. I am unwilling to have someone like Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio be the standard-bearer. They would lose, and lose bigly.

[Dave (in MA)]

Happy birthday, CH!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Appalled, your 11:02 makes me wonder whether you too escaped from a mental facility.

[Tom Bowler]

From TM's Washington Examiner link:

Karl Rove, the former Bush strategist who plays a key role in promoting Republican candidates around the country, has been hearing the same thing in his travels. "I've noticed the last couple of months an increasing amount of people saying, 'I voted for him, I think he's trying to do the right thing, but oh God, I wish he would stop tweeting,'" Rove told me recently. "The president is wearing those people out."

Rove is a NeverTrumper who would like nothing better than to get Trump to stop doing what has made him successful.

Scott Adams calls Trump the Master of Persuasion, and he is. But unlike your ordinary politician, he is not trying to persuade his opposition, or anybody else, to like him. He changes the narrative.

When Trump tweeted about Obama having his wires tapped, there was an immediate outrage about there being no evidence to support his accusation (aside from the front page of the NYT). By now there is hardly anyone unaware that the Trump campaign was under survellance by the Obama administration.

I don't put much faith in those favorability numbers. Opinion polls are a media tool for measuring how effectively they are promoting their narrative. "Oops. We need more negative stories on Trump."

[Porchlight]

That's easier to do when the other side is Hillary Clinton. Not as easy when it's not.

Who's going to be more palatable than Hillary, and what is he or she going to be doing? Do you think articles of impeachment are going to win over Joe Sixpack when one year ago Joe Sixpack told Hillary to take a long walk off a short curb?

[henry]

Who but a fellow #NeverTrump would talk to Rove anyway? Pauline Kael to the red courtesy phone.,

[Old Lurker]

:-) RG.

[derwill]

--and his cultural victory against the NFL is about all he has on the W board. --

Well, when you allow your head to be filled by the propaganda spewed daily by the MSM, you would think that.

I suggest you google "Trump's accomplishments in first six months." There are lists out there on this amazing thing called the Web, and the accomplishments listed are actual facts--just one's never reported on by your propaganda organs. While you've been distracted by the impeachment sugar plums dancing in your head, Trump has issued a flurry of EOs that have been slowly but steadily cutting off government tentacles one by one and over all federal government departments.

[Porchlight]

Happy birthday to the Cap'n! You have an awesome birthday. :)

[Appalled]

Ignatz:

Don't appreciate the reference at all. That man was about as profoundly evil as any of the mass killers we have seen lately.

[JimNorCal]

Celebrate good times, c'mon!
These are good times, despite Dem pushback yesterday. We're winning victories one by one, far more than under GOPe and more substantial/significant ones, too.

C'mon! What's on your mind today? Off-off-election yesterday or the Real, Historically Important event last year?

I say, let's come back to VA (and, let's be honest, a number of other localities as well) tomorrow.
Today, let's get our gloat-fest on!

If you didn't click yesterday, a good way to start:
https://www.spartareport.com/2017/11/trump-cant-win-one-year-anniversary-gloatfest/

[Captain Hate]

Thanks, guys; time to celebrate a year of euphoria and send Gillespie and Rove to the RINO cemetery, somewhere in northern South Maryland Virginia.

[Appalled]

derwill:

Woo hoo! Trump issued executive orders!! You know, those things that can be reversed by the Very Next President!

Issuing EOs is writing your legacy in sand. Y'all need to pay OL more mind on this subject.

[boris]

"Y'all need to pay ..."

So Appalled wants to be the "new" JOM cleo replacement?

[derwill]

Even if the Dems do win back the House, I expect they will have severe reservations about actually impeaching Trump. Most of the LIV can't we all just get along crowd hate that kind of nasty politics, and impeachment alone--without the Senate actually removing him from office--could severely damage their chances in 2020.

The Dems promised their base impeachment of Bush before the 2006 elections, yet even with the GOP taking a bloodbath in that election, Pelosie's House didn't go near impeachment.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://www.dailywire.com/news/23251/walsh-we-dont-have-just-mental-health-crisis-matt-walsh?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-podcast&utm_campaign=mattwalsh

[Appalled]

boris:

I cite Old Lurker and get called a troll?

Funny.

[matt, deplore me if you must]

One of the factors, I believe, in Virginia, was the media. The WaPo and Times are the top reads and they are simply propaganda sheets.

Donna Brazile is shooting any ethical notions of the Democratic party below the waterline and it still gets little coverage. They would rather print fantasies about Trump's abuse of koi fish. It's all hate, all the time.

In Alexandria, where a Democrat activist blew away a Republican Congressman and a bunch of other people, they just don't see the complete nuttery of their positions and policies. They would rather remove the pew markers for not just Lee, but George Washington as well.

Trump was a gift in the existential battle that is raging, but we are facing the Philistines these days with a big shot of Byzantine level corruption.

Two more moderate Republicans announced their retirements yesterday. They are both close to 70 and I can understand why they would want out, but the Left is going to take Virginia as a rallying point and we have to fight back tooth and nail.

[Porchlight]

Yes, JimNorCal. I've been looking forward to today, and to tomorrow also, the anniversary of the greatest salt avalanche in the history of mankind.

Posted some of these last night but here again:

In the Hall of the Trumpen President

The Young Turks Election Night Meltdown

Crying Hillary Supporters

Trump MAGA Dance, 10-hour version

"Sorry to keep you waiting - complicated business!"

[BlueOx]

Appalled.

Donald Trump's election has shown us that there are large swaths of this country's media who will openly and brazenly lie to their readers to advance their agendas. There are sitting US Senators who are willing to vote out of personal spite rather than any sense of responsibility to their constituents or loyalty to their stated "principles". There are federal judges who acknowledge the law and then openly and unapologetically issue rulings contra the law based on their political leanings. There are tens of millions of voters who cheer on all of this in the name of "being on the right side of history".

But you're right, Trump is the problem.

[matt, deplore me if you must]

It will be hard to reverse oil rigs and a lot of regulation. especially if litigated as the Dems like to do. They don't have a very good track record lately.

Obama's great flaw was in overstepping his authority. He was 0 for 9 in Supreme Court rulings against at last count, or have there been more repudiations since?

This is the bum who gave us non-treaty treaties and all sorts of other gobbledegook.

It is much easier to reverse that which was and is illegal. Stroke of the pen, law of the land and all that. But you'd better have the case history on your side.

[JimNorCal]

I remember having an inkling of a good feeling when a wide swath of my wife's Chinese friends, not knowing my leanings, gingerly sounded me out on Trump. I think as a way to get insight into how the white populace was reacting.

You're right, Porch. Tomorrow is perhaps a better day to celebrate. I'm OK with either or both.

Off topic, a RussiaGate summary banned from HuffPo
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-07/huffpo-yanks-article-russiagate-hysteria-award-winning-journalist-joe-lauria-–-so-he

[derwill]

Appalled, you didn't google it, did you? Ignorance being bliss, in your world, I guess . The EOs are only one part of it. What he has done to the economy--even without the tax cuts and repealing Obamacare--has been pretty impressive.

Here let me help you (and note this list is from this summer). These stats are even better today:

* The DOW daily closing stock market average has risen 18 since the election on November 8th. (On November 9th the DOW closed at 18,332 – yesterday on July 19th the DOW closed at 21,641 for another all time stock market closing high).

* Since the election the DOW has set a new all time closing high one out of every four days the market is open.

* The DOW took just 66 days to climb from 19,000 to above 21,000, the fastest 2,000 point run ever. The DOW closed above 19,000 for the first time on November 22nd and closed above 21,000 on March 1st.

* The DOW closed above 20,000 on January 25th and the March 1st rally matched the fastest-ever 1,000 point increase in the DOW at 24 days.

* On February 28th President Trump matched President Reagan’s 1987 record for most continuous closing high trading days when the DOW reached a new high for its 12th day in a row!

* The S&P 500 and the NASDAQ have both set new all-time highs during this period.

* The US Stock Market gained $4 trillion in wealth since Trump was elected.

* The S&P 500 also broke $20 Trillion for the first time in its history.

As of today, the US Debt has decreased under President Trump since his inauguration by (-$103) Billion.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics President Trump added a projected 1,027,000 jobs in his first six months (January through June 2017.)

Also according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics the unemployment rate since President Trump’s inauguration has gone from 4.8 to 4.1.
As noted earlier this week, according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics the US inflation rate decreased to an eight month low in June to 1.6 This is in part due to President Trump’s energy policies that are helping average Americans

Housing sales are red-hot in the US right now. In 2011, houses for sale were on the market an average 84 days. This year, it’s just 45 days.

The US Manufacturing Index soared to a 33 year high in President Trump’s first six months which was the best number since 1983 under President Reagan.

The Federal Reserve has increased interest rates three times since President Trump was elected into office in November. The Fed increased intereste rates only once in Obama’s 8 Years prior to the increase after President Trumps winning the election in November.

[Porchlight]

I'm definitely celebrating both, JimNorCal. :)

Brandy Manhattans tonight.

[GUS]

The pick up truck ad in Virginia exhibits exactly who DEMOTARDS are.

[JimNorCal]

Love the crying HRC supporters. And here is the Hill herself being her agreeable self!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hTfmuLm56yQ

[JimNorCal]

"Salt avalanche" Heh. Just hit me now :) :)

[exdemocrat]

https://i.redd.it/qvayh3ogvrwz.jpg

[2 minute duda]

"I suggest you google "Trump's accomplishments in first six months." There are lists out there on this amazing thing called the Web, and the accomplishments listed are actual facts--just one's never reported on by your propaganda organs"

Of course the President has a litany of accomplishments, he's the most powerful man in the world with all branches of government under his parties control. But he has no has big ticket,earth shattering policies signed into law which,honestly that's the entire reason for being President in the first place.

EO's are issued by every President but if they're not codified into law they're just as easily turned over by the next one.

Hey, if you think Trump has used the insane amount of power delivered to him by the American people to the absolute fullest then that's all that counts.

As long as you're happy that's all that matters.

[Porchlight]

JimNorCal - we are in luck. This new T_D thread has all the schadenfreude one could ever desire:

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/7bm6io/mega_salt_thread_usa_election_day_2016_one_year/

[cheerleader]

Hello RattleGator,

I've been agreeing with your posts a lot.

In addition to your post in the previous thread, do you think that President Trump's unqualified support for the new King and Crown Prince in Saudi Arabia is a key part in the big picture?

[exdemocrat]

the list of accomplishments by this administration - against massive 'resistance' - is astonishing. only the wilfully blind cannot see that.

[exdemocrat]

maybe Charley has a future at Harvard?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5062721/Charlie-Sheen-sodomized-Corey-Haim-13-set-Lucas.html

[derwill]

I think that after 8 years of Bush's unpopular wars and pro-big state expansion, followed by 8 years of Obama's socialistic, divisive, racial style of government, followed by Trump's election and the subsequent Liberal hysterical, foaming at the mouth reaction to it, has probably irreparably split the country into two intransigeant red (pro-America) and blue (pro-Global) camps.

By the end of Trump's term (and even more-so if we have to live through Appalled's wished for impeachment circus) there will be no "moderates" left in this country. People are being forced to choose: live free or embrace the suck of global totalitarian socialism. Appalled and the GOPe think that if we can just get rid of Trump we can go back to the Uniparty politics of yesterday. But we're way beyond that now. One side or the other is going to have to be crushed, and I don't see that happening at the ballot box.

Nothing lasts forever. I've felt for quite some time now that eventually the country will split apart into clumps of red and blue states. At this point I think emotionally we all just feel like we want a divorce.

[Buckeye]

Happy Birthday CH.

Drink a few microbrews for me too:)

[Frau Edith Steingehirn]

My flag is flying today to celebrate the anniversary of the Best Election Ever...

and of course for CH's birthday. Have a great one, Captain.

[Old Lurker]

Welcome to my world, derwill.

[derwill]

One of the things Trump has been doing while duda and Appalled weren't looking has been to cut off a lot of the liberals' organizations money supply. Like the money they were getting from government grants, or from the Dodd Frank rulings.

And how about the DoJ investigating Antifa's funding. It wasn't a coincidence that Anitifa's big day of revolution was an embarrassing bust. Those rioters were getting paid before, but the very fact that they didn't show up this time shows that most of the money supply has likely been cut off.

I think what's happening in Saudi Arabia is part of this. Those frozen funds belong to Saudi's who were giving huge amounts of money to our politicians on both sides of the aisle, yes, but mostly to Dems. And also to our universities and liberal NGOs.

[Buckeye]

One side or the other is going to have to be crushed, and I don't see that happening at the ballot box.

I think your point is a good one derwill. If it ends up in a 21st century Civil War, pretty sure you can predict the outcome.

Pro-America has these guys who buy ammo in big tins:

"Joe Blow, Steve Blow, Bob Blow, Billy Blow, Billy Bob Blow, all the Blows get to go and blow up the whole ..."

Pro-Globalists have pajama boy, metrosexuals and miscellaneous Appalleds.

[Porchlight]

I think what's happening in Saudi Arabia is part of this.

Absolutely. Trump spelled it out in the "Dopey Prince Alwaleed" tweet in 2015.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/675523728055410689?lang=en

Quick, name another president with both the capacity and the will to manage something like this.

[JimNorCal]

"You shook the world."
"One year ago today, the Silent Majority united by the millions to topple a self-serving political class that put the interests of American citizens dead last.

The media said we could never do it. And they still think our agenda is “too bold” for our country. But they are WRONG. There is NOTHING too bold for America.

Since Inauguration Day:

✔ ISIS had their capital LIBERATED
✔Justice Gorsuch was appointed to the Supreme Court
✔Illegal border crossings are at HISTORIC lows
✔The stock market has hit all-time records
✔Fewest joblessness claims in 44 years
✔Refugee cap is LOWEST since 1980
✔1.5 million Americans off food-stamps, now self-sufficient

We are ONLY getting started. "

[derwill]

OL, I think that if the GOPe had seen the light and gotten on the Trump train to pass the Obamacare repeal and the tax cuts, the economy--already going well under Trump--would have gone through the roof. And that alone would have ensured at least 16 years of a GOP in the WH and majorities in Congress. And those 16 years might have been enough to save us from the brink.

I expect Trump has been quite taken aback by the GOPe's self-defeating intransigence--I am myself since I expected that self-interest along would have driven them to catch the wave. Obviously, we all, including Trump, know better now. Not sure what there is to be done about that at this point, though.

[JimNorCal]

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2016/forecast/president

Oh. Yeah.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

derwill,

ChiTown Lurker wants to know if you know what happened to Felix Beltran last Thursday.

[Moms Against Tards]

If there was a background check required to post here, Appalled, duda and Devin Patrick Kelley would all be denied. It will only get worse for them with 7+ more years of Trump. That will be lot of beautiful EOs.

[Old Lurker]

Agree again, derwill.

But as James reminds us, GOPe did not just not get behind MAGA, it actively conspired to get rid of him via a Deep State coup.

[Porchlight]

This is the greatest comment thread of crying Hillbots I have ever seen. Language alert. LOL.

https://imgur.com/a/g3VWG

[cheerleader]

It's way more than that Porchlight.

[James D.]

Happy birthday, CH!

[Old Lurker]

Lucianne Headline: "Judge orders gag order for Paul Manafort and his lawyers. (Fox). Too much chatter. Effective immediately."

Wonder if that applies to Mueller too, huh? Didn't think so.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

derwill,

I think they ARE acting in their self-interest; we just didn't realize who was pulling their strings.

What has the Bush people so butt-hurt? It cannot be simply jealousy and petty stuff about Jeb.

How much money did the Bush Foundation get from the Dopey Prince, for example?

[derwill]

Good point, Miss M. It's been known for quite some time now that the Bushes were getting a lot of Saudi money.

[Davod]

Don't forget to check how much money the Saudis gave McCain.

[Davod]

All the universities with millions of dollars in Saudi money.

[Account Deleted]

Agree with the common man's assessment that a Democratic House puts out Articles of Impeachment if they win the House in 2018, which seems a real possibility. That looks fine to me now, but ask me again in 2019. If RG's world of sunshine and imminent Springtime suddenly appears, and the Dems transition from the Crooked Hillary party to the Crackpot Bernie party, I could return to my mournful world of eternal indecision.

Posted by: Appalled | November 08, 2017 at 10:49 AM

RG doesn't need anybody defending his point of view, so let me be clear. I subscribe to the same point: there is more going on than we're privvy too and that's a good thing.

First--- exactly why will the Democrats win the House in 2018? The lure of impeachment? And who will deliver that message to the voters? Babblin' Nan? By the time those elections begin to take shape, a few heads will have been lopped and the Lyin Swine Media will be switching from "All Unhinged All the Time" to "Where Did All these Rats Come From?"

How many potential new Dem candidates will want to tread into that hostile (to them) environment and how many incumbents are likely to stay in order to carry out "impeachment?" It doesn't make sense as a platform or a motivation. Too much money has evaporated.

Secondly, the "springtime" comment tells me your tank is empty and ya got nothin, "breh."

It's late winter already. And for me that's based on the amount of regulation and "legacy" unicorn gastritis that's been ripped out and thrown onto the White House "garden to be hauled away as so much b.s.

Then there is the economy---- I haven't heard the word "recovery" once since DJT got elected. Have you? Good. It's another BS term that kept public attention away from the dying patient of an economy being hung on a Paris meat hook.

Real economic growth and deregulation--- those count. And the Deep State is stuck with another phony in charge of their fate: Bob Mueller.

"This will not be pleasant. This will not be over soon." (Name that movie line!)

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Here is another thing I wonder. The Clintons set up a dummy charity in Canada to receive that Russian investor money, because Canada doesn't require reporting of donors.

Then the dummy charity donated to the Clinton Foundation, and all the foundation had to report was a donation by the charity, not the individuals.

Doesn't it seem odd that Canada, who is in every citizen's business over every little thing, would allow such a situation? Why is that?

Is there some sort of arrangement betwween the Canadian government and the elitists here to use just such a situation to hide shady money?

[Account Deleted]

Captain Hate: May you have a splendid celebration of your birthday. Did not know you are a fellow Scorp. I guess it's no surprise then that I feel the magic in your JOM d'ploom. When I first saw it I rolled on the floor til tears happened.

At any rate, get under a few brews today knowing you have in store many, many, more.

Durango Kev

[henry]

Canada is a shady place. Full on wannabe European style corruption.

[Thomas Collins]

Let's say on Inauguration Day 2017 a psychic in whom you had confidence said that by election day 2017 (i) the only movement on prepaid health care reform was administrative, and that Congress had beclowned itself in this area, (ii) tax reform might or might not happen by the end of the year, (iii) many GOPers and conservatives would be attempting to undermine the GOP POTUS, (iv) oligarch media would be part of a coup attempt, (v) a special prosecutor would be investigating Russian collusion with Trump campaign officials, and (vi) the Trump Administration had made significant strides in regulatory reform. What would you have predicted for the off year election if you believed the psychic?

[Appalled]

KK:

First--- exactly why will the Democrats win the House in 2018?

The desire to send Trump a message, allied with the GOP Congress inability to accomplish anything. (If they accomplished anything, they might be worse off. Trump and the GOP have done more to make Obamacare popular in the last couple of years...)

The MAGA/GOP should have received a message on how well their tactics are playing with the coalition necessary to send Republicans to Congress. They received it. And blamed the GOPe.

[Thomas Collins]

Oh, and add solid federal court nominations and confirmations. Would that have changed the prediction? Not likely.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

I am off to the grocery, which is my least favorite errand.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 14m14 minutes ago

Congratulations to all of the ”DEPLORABLES” and the millions of people who gave us a MASSIVE (304-227) Electoral College landslide victory!
=============================

Thank you Mr. President! Now, to the grocery!

[Thomas Collins]

Appalled, is there any action Trump has taken that is not within the traditional GOP playbook? I can't think of any. GOPers are increasingly enchanted by the borderless world nonsense, and are intimidated by chants of war on the poor when entitlement reform is discussed. It's not that MAGA strategy hasn't worked. In the environment in which it's operating, MAGA, whether Trump lasts four or eight years, was never going to be more than a necessary modulation of post-modern therapy state one worldism. A modulation, not an overturning.

The notion that if Trump sent out less nasty tweets, the forces aligned against would back off, is delusional.

[RattlerGator]

KK, well done!

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I've been agreeing with your posts a lot.

In addition to your post in the previous thread, do you think that President Trump's unqualified support for the new King and Crown Prince in Saudi Arabia is a key part in the big picture?

Posted by: cheerleader | November 08, 2017 at 12:08 PM

Without a doubt, cheerleader. The pushback still surprises me but it's going to make the victory still to come all the sweeter.

[Beasts of England]

'Y'all might be better off if he is successfully impeached, and someone else has to lead your movement.'

I'm sure you have my best interests at heart...

[Account Deleted]

"The desire to send Trump a message, allied with the GOP Congress inability to accomplish anything. (If they accomplished anything, they might be worse off. Trump and the GOP have done more to make Obamacare popular in the last couple of years...)"

Appalled....how squishy can you get, man? I ask you why the Dems would win the House and you say "The desire to send Trump a message...."

Heh? That is so limp-wristed and nowhere. POTUS is moving his agenda wherever he can. The numbers don't lie. Someone googled it for you.

What exactly is the message going to say "UNFAIR TO DEMOCRATS AND DEEP STATE!" And who is going to believe the losers hoisting those signs? They had a chance to win four seats yesterday. Wha happa, Lucy?

Obamacare isn't popular back home. Obamacare is popular with the insurance companies who are getting their subsidies thanks to Mr. Ryan and the impotent House. Ask people in hospitals with Obamacare how much they like their doctor and their healthcare plan. Won't feel how "popular" Obamacare is.

It's been 12 months since the election. Not even 10 months since the Inaug. Look at Reagan's record of achievement after 1 year. Look at The Rat's. Not much there. It takes the parliament of whores at least 2 years to finagle their relationship with the executive branch that's going to feather their nests.

So far, that chicken's been stripped bare and there are few feathers to go around until the prostitutes on the Hill start comin' around to the President's way of thinking.

That's the message that will slam dunk the mid-term elections and will be the last thing Babblin' Nan hears as she's carted out of office on a gurney saying "millions and billions and the rule of law." Or something like that. Those are her favorite words these day.

I'm not reading anybody's news accounts these days, for about the last two weeks. I'm paying attention to the President's action. What he puts out there in broad daylight within the broad powers of his office is plenty to keep the Democrats in check. The Lyin Swine Media is running out of material.

It's a slow turning. But make no mistake. A fine turning it has been.

MAGA

[Captain Hate]

Drink a few microbrews for me too:)

Dinner at the Winking Lizard (I don't think they extend to Columbus)

Friday evening at Heinens (local grocery chain) Jackie O's tasting (although they're based in Athens I think they have a Columbus brewpub) including a keg of a barrel aged imperial stout.

[henry]

Yeah Beasts, Appalled is on the "Follow the Weinermobile" bandwagon. To be honest, my district (and the planet) may be better off with a deluded lefty backbencher in our congressional seat for 2 years than with Ryan first in line at the CoC trough.

[Account Deleted]

You go, RG. Today is a day for artillery, no? Soften em up.

[Captain Hate]

I expect Trump has been quite taken aback by the GOPe's self-defeating intransigence--I am myself since I expected that self-interest along would have driven them to catch the wave.

I thought for sure after the reported tete a tete with Donohue that the dunces might fall in line; so it's obviously something beyond the Gas Chamber influence. With McStarvedTumor it's obviously Soros and that probably applies to other dunces. They're all going down though. Tick Tock.

[Beasts of England]

Don't tell him that the Weinermobile threw a rod a while back, henry.

[joan]

To the left, life is nothing but politics, and it's their way or no way.

Feeling a bit down after mentally fighting the corrupt media for the past year, and smacked in the face this morning by the Democrat's glee (which I knew was coming no matter how shallow or small their victory), I clicked on a pretty face and article at drudge on British Vogue and became more than slightly nauseated. Non-stop diversity.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5059217/Edward-Enninful-s-British-Vogue-cover-December-issue.html

Needing something to counter the left, especially after reading Appalled's enthusiasm for impeachment here at jom, I went to Taki (my conservative 94-year-old mother used to read his mag), and I found an article sprinkled with truth. :)

"Even worse, perhaps, for the leftist reason itself is nothing but an ad hoc justificatory tool. A typical example of the deluded, affect-driven leftist is University of Pennsylvania president Amy Gutmann. With a Ph.D. in political science from Harvard (now a dubious eminence), this bluestocking has called for Penn to be a sanctuary campus within the sanctuary city of Philadelphia. It does not matter that we are in an international war with ignoble savages who are absolutely committed to destroying us infidels. Nor should Philly’s ever-struggling underclass get the jobs that now go to illegal Mexican immigrants who work under the table. Gutmann feels your pain...."

http://takimag.com/article/diversity_is_our_doom_christopher_degroot#axzz4xrpe77Yl

[Account Deleted]

College presidents on the Left... there is a special place in hell.

[Jim Eagle]

Trying to catch up but unpossible.

Where did Dems win in States Trump won? Hadn't heard much of the elections except New York, New Jersey and Virginia. All Blue. Maybe there are some upsets in Red states but does anyone know where?

So Schumer mouthing off about how this off year election was a total rejection of Trump is laughable but will get total press treatment above the fold.

[Captain Hate]

The bottom line of the Berserkley video: we've got the cute trim and they've got the fatassed dumpster fires:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZKRz1QXtC4

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Ignatz:

Don't appreciate the reference at all. That man was about as profoundly evil as any of the mass killers we have seen lately.--

Boo-hoo.
I was saying your comment was nuts, not that you're a mass murderer; or does every escapee from a nuthouse shoot up a church?
If you don't like it quit saying nutty things.

[Account Deleted]

Heard Chuck Schumer today on the radio. He's bleating to the Republicans--- "if the corporate tax breaks don't work creating the jobs you said these will create, we urge Republicans to put their money where their mouths are and repeal the tax breaks. Take em back!"

Now, hold on. Let me get this straight. Has anything built legislatively by Democrats since, say 1964 after LBJ's election landslide, which has failed to end the war on poverty ever been repealed or taken back?

Has anything fostered by government been allowed to die or expire? Or how has it been really where Democrats have seen fit to refit the old legislative spending approach, put a new paint job on it (EBT instead of food stamps) and snag millions more in appropriations for it, to ensnare more Americans on some form of "soft money employment" as local, state, and federal employment rolls (for democrats) continue to swell?

STFU Chuck.

[derwill]

Appalled, what has Trump done that warrants impeachment in your mind beyond tweeting something you don't like? Winning an election against all odds and then attempting in the face of monumental opposition from both parties to enact the agenda he ran on is not normally grounds for impeachment. Are you sure you want to go down the banana republic road of impeaching the sitting president every time the House changes hand in an off year because the losing side is pissy and full of sour grapes.

You're embarrassing yourself today.

[Extraneus]

This is the greatest comment thread of crying Hillbots I have ever seen.

Thanks for the link, Porch! I was too chicken to stay up that night, so I'm not sure I even deserve to have read that thread, but I agree it was great.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--I cite Old Lurker and get called a troll?

Funny.--

I think boris was referring to y'all's increasing use of syntax and terms similar to cleo's.

[-peter from my phone]

Happy birthday hate

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I would agree with Appalled to an extent re Trump not being able to get his agenda though congress were he proposing anything even slightly radical or out of the Republican mainstream, but he's not.
He'd sign virtually anything those jackdaws would send to his desk if they could pull their heads out, but they steadfastly and obviously prefer their heads in, or at least enough do to thwart any change for the better.
So long as McCain and co will prevent the passage of sensible measures no matter what, Trump is not the problem.

[Appalled]

KK:

OK -- the message that elects to Dem to Congress is F*** you, Donald. Since you don't have to commit to Hillary to get that done, it's an easier message to send. You need a populace mad enough to deliver that message, or sick and tired enough to deliver that message. Now, if RG has unlocked the future, and sees the bright sunshine of Trump correctly, there won't be many F Us, and the GOP will stay. But that's not what the congress critters are seeing, based on the number of retirements going on.

And what is with you guys chanting that the President is working so hard, so hard, so hard. That rap doesn't go with the golf games and the Fox and Friends tweeting. He puts in his 8 hours, sure. But I really don't see that it is more than that.

Beasts:

I'm sure you have my best interests at heart as well. Which is why you will help gift the Senate with Roy Moore.

TC:

So you see Trumpism as selling moderate change with the language of revolution. Well given the modest accomplishment thus far, and the tinkering just a little bit nature of the legislation being passed, there may be something in that. But, you read your fellows here. Do you see them ultimately being satisfied with minor Titanic deck chair shifts, after being persuaded that radical change is required? Sounds like we'd be letting ourselves in for a 2nd Flight 93 election after Trump disappoints.

All:

There are a couple undiscussed elephants in the room with Trump. One is that the sexual assault allegations that have been around since the NBC tape, and the litigation around at least one of those charges. That could amp up.

Second is -- well, honest to gosh Trump acts anti-Hispanic. His treatment of Pwerrrrto Rico (and not just the mayor who decided to tweet it out with him) has been callous, smirky, and, with luck, will lose him Florida.