Under Siege

David Brooks is fascinating today:

The Siege Mentality Problem

Why are so many conservative evangelicals in Alabama still supporting Roy Moore? For that matter, why have so many evangelicals around the country spent the past two years embracing Donald Trump?

I just took part in a compelling conversation on this subject at the Faith Angle Forum, founded by the late Michael Cromartie of the Ethics and Public Policy Center, and came away with one core explanation: the siege mentality. In fact, I’d say the siege mentality explains most of the dysfunctional group behavior these days, on left and right.

You see the siege mentality not just among evangelical Christians but also among the campus social justice warriors and the gun lobbyists, in North Korea and Iran, and in the populist movements across Europe.

The siege mentality starts with a sense of collective victimhood. It’s not just that our group has opponents. The whole “culture” or the whole world is irredeemably hostile.

This connection was interesting and will ring true with sports fans:

Leaders, even sports coaches, try to whip up the siege mentality, because it makes their job easier. After all, this mentality encourages people to conform and follow orders. Resentment can be a great motivator. It’s us against the world!

I suspect Mr. Brooks has personal experience with feeling besieged. But why is this social trend so problematic now, especially if, as with sports, the concept is timeless?

Why is this mind-set so prevalent now? Well, it’s partially because the country is divided and many groups feel under assault. According to a Pew Research Center poll, 64 percent of Americans believe that their group has been losing most of the time.

But that’s not the main reason the siege mentality is so prevalent. It’s because we’re in a historic transitional moment and the very foundations of society are now open to question.

The older among us have to be wondering how he compares this to the polarization and drama of the 60's.

In the 1960s the civil rights leaders suffered injustice and oppression. But they had a basic faith in the foundations of society. They wanted a place at the table.

Today people are more likely to think the table itself stinks, or there is no common table. Today Christians are more likely to argue that the liberal order itself is intolerant toward faith. Social justice warriors are prone to argue that America is racist and oppressive in its very bones. The evil is inherent in the basic structure.

I don't remember the anti-war crowd as thinking the system was fundamentally fair. I'll try two other guesses - with the current media and technology it is easier for the aggrieved to find each other, either to huddle in defense or go on the march against evil. Even those who customize their Facebook and Twitter feeds to tune out the Other Side know the opposition is out there.

On the other other hand, our Founding fathers managed to organize a revolution without even Tweeting and our friends in the South engineered a secession a century later without Facebook, Matt Drudge or Jon Stewart.

The second driver is the endless need for politicians to raise money, which doesn't seem to be accomplished by sending out pamphlets noting that, while our opponents have some good points, our arguments are stronger. Just for example, the apocalyptic "Donate now or we will all DIE!" approach has been a staple of the pro-choice crowd since the 70's, not to mention the gun-grabbers or the gun nuts gun rights enthusiasts or the environmentalists.

Mr. Brooks has a bit of an LOL conclusion, although to be fair it seems like he stopped rather than finished, presumably due to space considerations:

The fact is, the siege mentality arises from overgeneralization: They are all out to get us. It shouldn’t be met with a counter-overgeneralization: Those people are all sick.

It should be met with confident pluralism. We have a shared moral culture, and some things are beyond the boundaries, like tolerating sexual harassment. But within the boundaries of our liberal polity, we’re going to give one another the benefit of the doubt.

Suppose America’s leaders had gone to conservative evangelicals a decade ago and said: Look, we understand that changing attitudes about gay marriage put you in a tough position. We’re not going to stop doing what we think is right, but we’re going to try to work out some accommodation with you on religious liberty so you can feel at home here and practice your faith.

That might have felt more like a conversation than a siege. That might have spared us the populist revolts that brought us Roy Moore, and Donald Trump, and the repugnant habits of mind that now excuse them.

Oh, please - nobody can fund-raise off of adult conversation. More to the point, the left won their court victories on gay marriage by successfully arguing that the bans were based on irrational homophobic bigotry. Pivoting to reconciliation with those 'bigots' would have taken extraordinary dance skills unlikely to be appreciated by the audience on the left.

A better example would have been the argument about legal and illegal immigration. Obviously the left characterizes any concept of immigration control as hate-based racism but the illogic of that view is revealed by the fact that even stalwart liberals sometimes admit that the US cannot have both open borders and a generous social safety net.

Comments

[Jim Eagle]

David Brooks is never fascinating, even if he would complement Trump.

[narcisoyea]

This was before or after they tried to put the sisters and hobby lobby out of business.

[Steve Earle Song Ideas]

'some things are beyond the boundaries, like tolerating sexual harassment'

This was written AFTER the Harvey Weinstein revelations. Apparently Our Mr Brooks never heard of it.

[Jim Eagle]

They should make a movie of Brooksie's column and star Steven Segal.

[henry]

But is the pant well creased?

[sbw]

I do admire TM’s ability to dispassionately read and examine David Brooks.

I had difficulty reading Brooks once removed via TM’s references.

Brooks has written a book he says is about character. He has even taught a course ostensibly about character. I have seen no evidence Brooks has any character.

Noise. Brooks is all noise, and I’ll take no part in it.

If there is a kernel of useful information in Brooks, someone else will have to distill it completely into different words not attributed to Brooks.

Repeating, I do admire TM’s fortitude to wade into the Times to let us know why we should not. It is reminiscent of both Confucius and Seneca, who familiarized themselves with other views the better to understand their own.

[narcisoyea]

Going after brooksie is like shooting womprats its hardly sporting.

Andrew Mccarthy on the previous thread was only slightly more lucid.

[JimNorCal]

Does TM clean up typos or follow the JOM style guide?
"the left characterizes any concept of immigration control has hate-based racism"
Probably "-as- hate-based racism"

[narcisoyea]

I do skim Carlos slims, its like when Wesley ingested small amounts of poison in preparation for meeting vizzini

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Lets see. Just off the top of my head:

GOP Congressmen shot on a ball field by a leftist.

Senator assaulted in his own yard by a leftist.

Trump supporters assaulted at rallies.

25 Texas church members murdered in their own church, by a leftist.

Efforts to make transgender normal in elementary schools.

Attacks on the National Anthem, including refusal to stand when it is played.
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Those are actual incidents, not products of my imagination nor of siege mentality, which, if I have that mind-set, is because we are ACTUALLY UNDER SIEGE.

[narcisoyea]

This is why Suez was a blessing in disguise

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShidelerK/status/930465814519697409?p=v

[narcisoyea]

Ask the Mormons in California after proposition 8 passed.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Senator Rand Paul‏Verified account @RandPaul
4m4 minutes ago

Today I am announcing my intention to amend the Senate tax bill to repeal the individual mandate and provide bigger tax cuts for middle income taxpayers.

The mandate repeal is a promise we all made and we should keep. It also allows an additional $300 billion+ in tax cuts.

Senator Rand Paul‏Verified account @RandPaul
4m4 minutes ago

My amendment will fix a problem in the Senate bill where many taxpayers would see a tax increase because of the loss of state and local deductions.

I will introduce a similar deduction as the House plan, making the tax reform plan more fair for everyone.
===============================

At least ONE Senator is paying attention to President Trump!

[glasater]

Does 'feeling under siege' cause one to get really PO'd? Asking for a friend..

[Old Lurker]

Senate Primary winner in his own state character assassinated by DC members of his own party.

...by Leftists pretending to be R's.

[narcisoyea]

That's not need see macho grande Indiana Missouri mississpi.

[henry]

Miss M, I'm not sure Rand's amendment does anything but make the tax plan worse. (Not that it was any good to start with).

[Beasts of England]

A few weeks ago, more indictments were imminent from Mueller. We haven't heard anything else about them since the Moore accusations. Certainly a coincidence, amirite?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Beasts,

Indictments keep piling up in various federal courts, but they are sealed. 37 in DC alone, all sealed.

So your guess is as good as mine as to what's up.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

henry,

Really? It seemed pretty straighforward to me. Getting rid of the Individual Mandate and penalty would give a break to people and off-set the loss of state and local tax deductions.

Maybe bot perfect, but a start.

I still think it would be better to simply let everyone take a certain per cent off the taxes owed. It would be a lot easier to understand and we wouldn't have all of this arguing.

[Old Lurker]

Those are all going to be drug related, MM. If they were political they could not have remained secret this long.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

OL,

Never thought of that. Well, I won't keep wondering, then.

[Extraneus]

That might have spared us the populist revolts that brought us Roy Moore, and Donald Trump, and the repugnant habits of mind that now excuse them.

Alternatively, "deplorable" habits of mind.

F Brooks.

[Beasts of England]

Maybe they're drug related - I don't have any insight - but Podesta didn't quickly resign for no reason, did he?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

daddy,

When you get up, you can read this nifty article on tracking trade routes and lost cities through clay tablets detailing trade deals:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5080799/Ancient-clay-tablets-used-lost-Bronze-Age-cities.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

OL, Beasts,

The other thing those could be are child trafficking indictments. (That might be why Podesta is resigning, which wouldn't be strictly political, but the stink of THAT scandal would reduce a lot of credibility for his allies.)

[Old Lurker]

MM "It would be a lot easier to understand and we wouldn't have all of this arguing."

That's about the funniest joke ever, MM!

[henry]

Miss M, bigger tax cut overall (maybe?) paid for by ending the one part of ACA everyone hates (sticking us with single payer in the bargain). Plus putting a cap on state and local tax deductability / home mortgage deduction. Not getting rid of it. More waiving of hands without fixing a damned thing.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Mark Knoller‏Verified account @markknoller
12m12 minutes ago

Air Force One has landed at @JointBasePHH for refueling on flight home from Asia trip.

[derwill]

When we were in our early-thirties we were friends with a couple, also in their early-thirties, who got divorced. After the divorce the male half of the couple fell in love with a 17-year-old who was a senior in high school at the time. After she graduated they got married, had four kids, and stayed married until his death a couple of years ago.

My point is that we never thought his being attracted to (she was very pretty) and falling in love with a teenager who was also half his age was pervy. We kidded him about "robbing the cradle" and we were somewhat dubious that the relationship would last, but we never once thought he had a morality problem.

This was in the 1970s--apparently a more enlightened era.

[Old Lurker]

Henry "bigger tax cut overall".

As you know Henry, everytime we create a computer model designed to predict something in the future, wise programmers load it up with actual known historical data then run it to see how well it predicts where we know we are today.

I suggested before that whatever this Bill ends up being, the actual tax returns from 2016 should be applied to the proposed Bill so we can see if it would have produced the same, or more, or less tax revenues. Then we call see what lable it deserves.

[Captain Hate]

Is it true Ted Cruz has jumped on board the GOPe anti Moore bandwagon?

[henry]

OL, hence the question mark. That ole static analysis is what the CBO supposedly does. (or they are frauds, or both). Cut the crap out of taxes, then bulldoze pending. easy.

[henry]

CH, per twitter it is.

[Old Lurker]

So I read, Cap'n.

Femall applies.

[narcisoyea]

Yes, sadly he has, its like they learn no lesson, except keep your head down. Charles mccarry didn't envision anything this tested.

[Old Lurker]

Here it is Cap'n.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/360205-cruz-pulls-support-from-roy-moore-allegations-merit-criminal-prosecution-if

He even says Moore should be prosecuted...

Go figure. Test the water in the Capitol.

[Old Lurker]

Yesterday I suggested we keep the five best Senators and throw the other 95 out. MM followed up suggesting we start over with 100 random names drawn from a hat.

I withdraw my suggestion and side with MM.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://www.dhakatribune.com/world/middle-east/2017/11/11/saudi-princess-unveils-kingdoms-dark-side/

Talal's ex-wife.

[Dave (in MA)]

This morning someone on my town's Facebook discussion page innocently asked if we'd ever get a Chik-Fil-A in town. You'll never guess what happened next. Rephrase that; I'm sure it's pretty obvious what happened next.

[Captain Hate]

Welp that's odd because Levin is solidly pro Moore.

[sbw]

MM followed up suggesting we start over with 100 random names drawn from a hat.

Wait! I thought the names had to be chosen at random from a Boston phone book.

I don’t think I could support that.

[narcisoyea]

That story was in Wikileaks from eight years ago but she is daughter of the late interior minister and related to the prince who smuggled a ton of coke into Paris (one of this minions was involved in the katadhian jewel heist)

[Porchlight]

Mmm, Chik-Fil-A. Might have to have that for lunch.

[JimNorCal]

Roger Kimball claims to revoke support for Trumpism.
But if you read to the end he supports Trump, believes he is doing what's best for America and that there is no "Trumpism agenda".

"I think his record to date corroborates that description even if his style (those tweets, those off-hand remarks) offend the delicate sensitivities of those who have not gotten over the fact that someone not of their tribe had the temerity to garner the support of enough people to be elected to the Presidency without their permission. I am a supporter of Donald Trump, but “Trumpism,” I conclude, is just a name."

[narcisoyea]

Actually despite her many names she's merely a member of the uteibi tribe, no direct connrctio. To the sudairi clan

[narcisoyea]

That was the tribe from whence the mahdi pretender juhayman came.

[Jim Eagle]

According to Judge Nap, since any of Moore's sexual dealings happened before he became a senator they can't expel him. If he wins on the 12th and is seated (he has to be) then his vote will be a huge bargaining chip, especially for any of those senators who maligned him and now need a favor vote.

But Menendez can be expelled since his adventures happened while a Senator.

Wouldn't that be schadenfreude to have Moore take his seat while the Senate expels Menendez.

Won't happen that way but a guy can dream, can't he:)

[Captain Hate]

You guys know that Moore has received the "Not Who We Are" ranking from Razzle Dazzle, no?

[GUS]

The New York Times might as well be called STROFT.

Because it's nothing but ass-wipe. Any FOOLS who call BROOKS, Conservative or Right, or Right Wing are selling you CHARMIN. Ass wipe.

[GUS]

Has Ted Cruz pontificated on MENENDEZ yet?

[Jane - not "in"]

Sessions just testified a special prosecutor should not be informed for political retaliation. Isn't that precisely what Mueller is doing?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Poor Brooksy is one of those unfortunates just smart enough to think he's not the dumbass he proves himself to be every time he writes a column.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Why would we need a Special Prosecutor?
Aren't they in lieu of an administration investigating itself?
The Trump admin had nothing to do with U1 or the Clinton Foundation.

[rich]

Posted by: Beasts of England | November 14, 2017 at 11:34 AM

iirc that was the Carter Page boomlet. He was a Russia policy expert on the Trump team who perfect the art of not being seen.

[GUS]

Jane, SESSIONS needs to GO. NOW.

[rich]

who perfected the art ... anyway, he went to Russia to make a speech and now that trip is under scrutiny.

[henry]

Iggy, the FBI was wrapped up in the investigation, as well as Justice (McCabe, Rosenstein, Mueller, Comey, Lynch, Holder). So the SP is a way to toss the hot potato elsewhere and avoid responsibility for doing their jobs (or a political hatchet job re Mueller as SP).

[rich]

and surprise it was in July 2016, just after the Trump Tower meeting and concurrent with the Trump Tower server story and about the time the 2nd FISA warrant was requested.

iirc the FBI didn't even bother to ask Carter Page at the time for a copy of the speech he gave to the Moscow university, or even asked him about his contacts at the time.

[Threadkiller]

Cruz, in typical Taqiyya Ted fashion, slammed Moore in an interview and then released a statement that takes a teeny tiny swipe at Menendez.

The Poop Scoop has bestowed sainthood on him for his integrity.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/14/delta-force-should-be-deployed-to-defend-victorias-secret-fashion-show/

[rich]

>>>Maybe they're drug related - I don't have any insight - but Podesta didn't quickly resign for no reason, did he?

Posted by: Beasts of England | November 14, 2017 at 11:42 AM<<<

My best guess is that it is ethnic gangs ... Little Rock could be the Crips and lots from the Los Angeles area.

[Tom Bowler]

"The fact is, the siege mentality arises from overgeneralization: They are all out to get us."

Hey. Just 'cause you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

It might be helpful to think of the left, not as an ideology, but as an industry -- an illegal one. It's really about the money, and they will be after it relentlessly. In that light you can see why they're out to get you, and that they will never stop until their corruption gets them jail terms.

[henry]

It's really about the money, and they will be after it relentlessly.

Yes. The want it all for themselves, the "decent" society "elites" with a well creased pant. Nothing for the deplorables who create all that wealth.

[2 minute duda]

Brooks is spot on. I've seen first hand the effects of Siege mentality among Ulster protestants and Israelis. It produces a collective irrationality among the effected minority. All critical thinking goes out the window.

The other day two posters on this site said that even if Roy Moore sexually molested a child they would still vote for him. When self-preservation trumps morality it's only a matter of time before the belief,the stance,the ideology rots from the inside giving way to a complete collapse.

We saw it in Northern Ireland. We saw it in Russia. We're seeing it in Israel and now in we're seeing it in right-wing American politics.

[Tom Bowler]

Alternatively, "deplorable" habits of mind.

F Brooks.

Posted by: Extraneus | November 14, 2017 at 11:41 AM

Maybe we could'a been the "repugnants." But I guess I like "deplorables" well enough.

[2 minute duda]

So how is Rapey Roy doing these days?

AL.com reported yesterday that many of Moore's acquaintances knew of his exploits and that Roy had a "penchant for flirting with teen girls". In fact it seemed the whole town knew.

The article states:"He would go and flirt with all the young girls," one witness said. "It'd seem like every Friday or Saturday night (you'd see him) walking around the mall, like the kids did."

Jesus.

Also from the article:"Another man who grew up in the area '"recalled being told by a mall employee that they kept watch for an older guy who was known to pick up younger girls."'

Even the New Yorker has been digging up some interesting nuggets. A quoted source in their report says, according to local rumors, that Moore "had been banned from the mall because he repeatedly badgered teen-age girls."

Dang! So Rapey Roy hung around malls looking to fuck little children.

All he's missing is a trench coat and candy.

[Frau Kopp ab]

well...lift the manhole cover and out comes the stench.
Tommy "Elect me next" Steyer, a George Soros mini-me, used the Fusion GPS to get his CA political wishes fulfilled. No price is too high to pay.

Fusion GPS also helped Planned Parenthood weather the vile revelations about its evil, secret fundraising.

The opposition research firm that hired a former British spy to dig up dirt on Donald Trump is the same shady outfit that was hired by Planned Parenthood to put a positive spin on videos showing the sale of baby parts.

No wonder Fusion does not want its records examined.

[Old Lurker]

Tom Bowler "...and that they will never stop until their corruption gets them jail terms."

Or until they get all your money and full control of the wheels of justice.

[Beasts of England]

'Another man who grew up in the area '"recalled being told by a mall employee...'

That's some powerful and admissible testimony right there!!

[Porchlight]

Yeah, Beasts. Quality stuff. Who believes this nonsense?

[derwill]

I just took this test that was linked to by Althouse. I came out 74% liberal--which either proves the test is a joke or I have a high disgust level for a conservative. (Supposedly conservatives are more easily disgusted than liberals. Science, don't you know.)

http://chartsme.com/

[Extraneus]

All he's missing is a trench coat and candy.

All that's missing is a noose and a tree. Judge Roy gonna swing for those Ten Commandments.

[Frau Steingehirn]

When US is now longer the country of "innocent until *proven* guilty," we can use the American Idol format and have phone calls/twitter/Facebook determine guilt or innocence. Many identity voters thinks that's in place now.

It is a brilliant four-fer: it targets males, Republicans, Christians, and southerners.

Stupid Republicans in office are responding as usual: repulsion and rejection.

Doom

[Beasts of England]

'A quoted source in their report says, according to local rumors,...'

AL.com must be overjoyed with the quality of this investigative journalism!!

[Tom Bowler]

Or until they get all your money and full control of the wheels of justice.

And how close they came to getting full control, OL. And they're not done trying. I once thought Mueller might have loaded his team with Democrat donors to make an anticipated indictment of Democrats more palatable to the liberal crowd. I don't think that anymore. I think he's in a fight to the death against Trump and the deplorables. His survival is at stake.

[exdemocrat]

good rant from PJW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8ugLDl0kLY

[henry]

derwill, that test is stupid. If you can deal with life, you are a liberal? that's backwards.

[Beasts of England]

FYI: AL.com is the online presence of three Alabama newspapers from around the state, including The Huntsvegas Times. Unflinchingly left wing, and losing money every day. :)

[Porchlight]

Stupid Republicans in office are responding as usual: repulsion and rejection.

Perhaps they don't realize they're just making the targets on their backs bigger and easier to see, Frau.

[Extraneus]

I was 52% liberal, derwill.

[sbw]

I can’t wait for the last reel of this B picture.

[henry]

#PJMedia @PJMedia_com
4m

Ryan: If Roy Moore 'Cares About Values,' He Should 'Step Aside'

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me: If Ryan cares about cutting taxes, he should step aside.

[exdemocrat]

So Brooks wants a more dignified and gracious dialog with people like me who's views he declares "repugnant."

how about i just punch him in the face instead?

[henry]

Breaking: Per an NBC Spokesperson: "We have recently learned that Matt Zimmerman (Senior Vice President, Booking, News & Entertainment) engaged in inappropriate conduct with more than one woman at NBC Universal, which violated company policy. As a result he has been dismissed."

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/930494201019674624

[Jim Eagle]

derwill,

I have to disagree with the rationale of the study and results. Is pajama boy the poster boy of the metro-sexual social justice warrior? And the study author is going to tell me that he would be less disgusted by the various scenarios? I don't think so.

This is more of an attempt by the Left to show they are stronger mentally and emotionally than conservatives. When you consider that right thinking people are more likely to hunters, fisherman and outdoors type they run across much more disgusting things than some urban snowflake.

Total upside down test and results.

[2 minute duda]

"FYI: AL.com is the online presence of three Alabama newspapers from around the state, including The Huntsvegas Times. Unflinchingly left wing, and losing money every day"

Oh.

Jeese.

You really showed me.

So...we.....should hold onto Moore and go ahead with the election?

Oh.

Jeese.

You really showed me.

[derwill]

But, you guys--it's science!!

[Frau Steingehirn]

"All he's missing is a trench coat and candy."

Ah, a real predator, a lying progressive Arkansas governor used his police to round up desirable females for company.

"Pedophile" is being tossed about rather freely by the useful idiots. A definition is in order:

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12, criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13."

[Beasts of England]

You easily missed the point, DuDa. The 'FYI' was tangential to their sloppy reporting, which relied on rumors and hearsay.

[Frau Steingehirn]

I'm in favor of cutting the troll's time to 30 seconds.

[James D.]

Perhaps they don't realize they're just making the targets on their backs bigger and easier to see, Frau.

I don't think they do. They all live by the idea of "I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you."

It never occurs to them that sooner or later (and probably sooner) they'll run out of other people to outrun, but the bear will still be there right behind them.

[Tom Bowler]

I agree, Henry, it's a stupid test. It said I'm 67% liberal. So I followed the "How does this work?" link, and guess what:

"A 2014 study concluded that people who were more prone to disgust are more conservative and tend to align with the republican party. But, why?

Some scientists believe it's ancestral..."

The party of science strikes again!

[Frau Schuhwerk]

Tell 'em, Beasts.

BTW I've enjoyed looking at FOTUS's shoes. Did you see the red soles on the flats she wore while walking the Great Wall?

[Frau Schuhwerk]

James D. - It's called the Stoopid Party for a reason.

[Extraneus]

how about i just punch him in the face instead?

I've had that reaction to Brooks a few times myself, including today.

[Frau Schuhwerk]

FLOTUS... using all caps is hard. How does GUS do it? He makes it look easy.

[Jim Eagle]

Watching the more deliberate sausage making enterprise where the Democrats are aghast that an American corporation would attempt to make money selling their IP to overseas customers and take a tax savings.

In a nutshell: Taking advantage of tax policy for the benefit of a corporation is bad. However, selling 20% of our uranium resources to a foreign entity is good.

[Extraneus]

McConnell:

Ryan:

[GUS]

Stephie Hayes needs to be kicked in the balls.
He's a complete and utter pussy.