Will The Dream Kill Christmas?

Oh my - Congressional leaders may or may not be able to separate action on some version of the DREAM act with a funding bill needed to keep the government open. One scenario is a government shutdown for the holidays:

Concern is growing in both parties that a clash over the fate of Dreamers will trigger a government shutdown this December.

House conservatives have warned Speaker Paul Ryan against lumping a fix for undocumented immigrants who came to the country as minors into a year-end spending deal. They want him to keep the two issues separate and delay immigration negotiations into 2018 to increase their leverage — which both Ryan and the White House consider reasonable. 

But many liberal Democrats have already vowed to withhold votes from the spending bill should it not address Dreamers, putting Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer in an awkward spot if they don’t go along.

Democrats know Republicans need their votes to fund the government past the current Dec. 8 deadline, and many want Pelosi and Schumer to stand firm against the must-pass bill until leaders save the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program.

Late in the story Politico describes the divisive issues:

The kind of solution being advocated by Democrats or even centrist Republicans could incite a riot in the GOP ranks. In exchange for a DACA fix, conservatives want to boost border security, curb “chain migration” and force companies to set up E-verification systems to check that their workers are here legally — proposals most Democrats will oppose.

Ok, 'chain migration', reuniting extended families, will obviously be important to the currently documented Democrats originally from elsewhere, as well as to the future Democrat voters they hope to wave in. Switching to a merit-based system similar to, well, every other country, has abstract yet diffuse benefits for the US as a whole, so why would Dems vote for that when their own voters can gain a specific benefit? 

But seriously - Dems will oppose efforts to enforce the current law by means of border security and E-verify? OK, of course they will, but I agree - based on his campaign rhetoric, not to mention the concept of a rule of law, Trump ought to be dead-set against the sort of compromise these Dems seem to want.

Comments

[RattlerGator]

No, the DREAM won't kill Christmas but it sure as hell is killing the Democrats.

* * *

Good morning, everybody. I've been supremely distracted by family drama. It's a tale uniquely Southern, I think, and definitely "Colored" but revolves around my soon-to-be 85-year-old mother and her hubby who is my age. If I'm not imprisoned over the next couple of months, I thank you in advance for your prayers.

Oh yeah, Happy Thanksgiving.

* * *

anonamom,

Adams isn't foolproof. Remember, he lives in California.

Posted by: Miss Marple the Deplorable | November 21, 2017 at 05:34 AM

He has been incredibly perceptive but it isn't just that he lives in California, MM. He has said his politics are to the left of Bernie Sanders. Think about that. It's very hard to believe such a man understands the South at all.

Thus, if you think Roy Moore has already lost, you are certifiably clueless about that race and about Alabama, among other matters. Something additional may arise that makes Moore a loser but if it doesn't, he's easily going to win this vote -- in part, because he's clearly the victim of a political hit job that doesn't stand up to even minimal scrutiny.

[Captain Hate]

Happy Thanksgiving, RG, and best wishes in resolving your family matter. I was afraid the Gators season had driven you to distraction.

[henry]

The question is what part of Trump's campaign position was a throwaway to get the "deal"? My guess is he is open to something for the "dreamers" (like a green card and national voter ID to keep them out of the polls).

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

-- If I'm not imprisoned over the next couple of months, I thank you in advance for your prayers.--

LOL.
Just remember to make it look like an accident and then clam up.

[Old Lurker]

RG "It's a tale uniquely Southern, I think, and definitely "Colored" but revolves around my soon-to-be 85-year-old mother and her hubby who is my age."

Might be Southern RG, but "Colored" people do not have sole ownership of those sorts of problems!

Just don't get caught...

[narciso]

I included the Josh Caplan link about Roy Moore's debunking of much of these claims.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Let's not forget that besides intentionally humiliating little Laura Ingalls and probably being the reason she became a lesbian, Oliver Stone was also accused a month ago of just walking up at a party and grabbing some gal's boob and honking it like a horn.*

Ordinarily I would advocate caution regarding such accusations but in Stone's case that arrogant, smarmy, smirking face alone is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

*Note to Appalled; she didn’t want him to do it even though he is rich and powerful so she didn't "let him do it" which makes it not consensual. I understand that appears to you to be highly illogical reasoning but if you buckle on your JOM thinking cap perhaps you can grasp the bizarre concept anyway.

[daddy]

Here's the line that caught my eye in this Reuters story trashing Rex Tillerson, that Miss Marple posted on the previous thread:

A confidential State Department “dissent” memo not previously reported...

If I understand plain English that tells me this "Confidential" memo has been illegally leaked to the press. How come that never happens with things like Lois Lerner's secret testimony?

[henry]

Ronan has more unveiling on Harvey:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/harvey-weinsteins-secret-settlements

[Marlene]

Good Morning! Staying on topic (sort of) I'm really disturbed by the brutal killing of the border agent and the horrific beating of his partner. What a terrible way to die. The gangs and thugs and cartels are vicious. Does anyone watch Narcos on Netflix? In September,the location manager for the show was murdered in Mexico while scouting locations for next season's production. The Juarez cartel was to be featured next season.

[narciso]

Ah Melissa Gilbert did stone not see the 3rd season of Babylon 5, zhahaduun.

[Porchlight]

Melissa Gilbert is a lesbian? Are you sure you're not thinking of her sister Sara?

[Marlene]

Yes,Sara Gilbert is a lesbian,not Melissa. Inquiring minds. :)

[Buckeye]

Might be Southern RG, but "Colored" people do not have sole ownership of those sorts of problems!

Gotta agree with OL on this point RG:)

My lily white niece married a well-to-do Honduran who clearly was looking for a quick path to citizenship at her expense.

Lots of drama as my normally passive BIL is about to pull the shootin' iron off the wall and take care of business.

[narciso]

It's striking what isn't reported;

https://mobile.twitter.com/joshdcaplan/status/932793161302380545

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Even worse! He's such a creep he turned her sister into a lesbian.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Accidentally posted on the old thread:
From Ex's link:
--Congress has no human resources department. Instead, congressional employees have 180 days to report a sexual harassment incident to the Office of Compliance, which then leads to a lengthy process that involves counseling and mediation, and requires the signing of a confidentiality agreement before a complaint can go forward.--

Who exactly is doing the "complying", the bum or the victim?
They must have asked Orwell to name the Office for them.

[Buckeye]

daddy, your "uncaged eyeballs" had me laughing. Great way to start the day.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Hey, we have issues here, too. This is why my son moved in with us.

Pro tip: Never live with a girl who has a nose ring and whose mother OD'd in the Wal-Mart parking lot.

[Appalled]

Ignatz:

English usage (at least in Georgia.)

"He had a gun to my head: of course I let him"

Try subbing in "consent" in that sentence. Get thrown out of screenwriting school. (Unless, of course, the character has Asperger's)

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/10/us/men-accused-sexual-misconduct-weinstein.html

The list as of Charlie Rose.

[sbw]

daddy: when my eyeballs weren't uncaged

Love the pilot joke.

[sbw]

revolves around my soon-to-be 85-year-old mother

Reminds me of Bette Midler recounting an old Sophie Tucker joke involving division.

... but I was told there would be no math.

[Marlene]

Re: HR in Congress...unless things have changed,there are 535 "offices" in Congress. The Senator or Congressman manages their own office and usually the peon staffers report to the Chief of Staff. I remember that after 9/11,the COS met with the young staffers in the daughter's office to devise a plan of action to evacuate the building. The COS was so upset that she couldn't find the staffers on 9/11 because they had fled the building. She felt responsible for them. She was more upset than the Senator,truth be told,but we won't go there.

[daddy]

Now that we learn some of the details of gruesome John Conyer as a sexual predator, but also as we now read that Charlie Rose walked out in his bathrobe to at least 3 different women and I think walked out nude to a 4th, let me ask this question: Who is at the top of your list of the worst sexual assaulters we've learned about over the last month, and why?

I'll start. It's probably hard to top the sheer ugliness of Harvey Weinstein's rapes, or the sheer evilness of Kevin Spacey's rapes, but I'm nominating Charlie Rose, because Charlie Rose is such a preening dilettante asshole who has acted for ages as if he's god's arbiter of compassionate human behavior. He ought to burn in hell forever for simply telling that Secretary that she'd never be anything other than his secretary since she didn't have a College Degree.

"But soon, Godfrey-Ryan said, he began yelling at her, calling her stupid and incompetent and pathetic.

“He repeatedly attacked her in front of other people,” recalled a former producer who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “He once said that because she hadn’t gotten a college degree she would never amount to anything better than his secretary.”

E'ff Charlie Rose.

[Jim Eagle]

daddy,

The schadenfraude here is that all of this is coming out because of Trump! Back when Bubba had his "issues", none of this came out or would have come out due to his behavior. Of course not, doing that would legitimize his deviance.

So, the left felt enabled now to go after a harrasser (i.e. Trump) but it has backfired like all the other things they have tried to stick on him. Actually, this time it is a riccochet versus a backfire.

Its almost worthy of buying a new super-duper popcorn machine.

[Appalled]

daddy:

What's interesting -- or maybe just expected -- is that these sexual harassers are usually d*cks in other ways, too. (It's why I think more will come on Franken in the fullness of time. The guy has always seemed like a total jerk.)

[Captain Hate]

Still waiting for Razzle Dazzle to explain why his great tax bill doesn't help individuals because these sex related settlements have to be financed somehow.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I apologize for the Asperger's comment Appalled.
Apparently you're simply an idiot.
What does a gun to someone's head at screenwriters school have to do with the price of tea in China?
In the Stone case the boob grabee explicitly denied "letting" him and Gilbert described an intentional humiliation of her which she also obviously didn’t "let" him do.

This is contrasted with Trump's amazement that wealth and power attract women who do let you do such things.
That you stick to your bizarre reading of Trump's plain language makes me wonder if someone is grabbing your pussy as you write.
Not sure how else to explain it.

[Captain Hate]

Notice that Slick nor the Fatassed Beast have admitted any wrongdoing.

[Janeprobably about 10 minutes after getting there]

I nominate Bill Clinton

[Old Lurker]

Jane, I'm thinking it is time for you to dust off your "YouTooCongress" file.

[henry]

Davod, from our Chitown Lurker:

Answering Davod from prior thread, Dorhn & Ayers were paid by the Hillary!’s State Dept to do the MidEast Tour in front of the “Arab Spring” that brought the MB to power in Egypt. Their workshop videos from over there are nasty reminders of what they envisioned from the 60’s, still holds true today.

[Appalled]

Iggy:

Let the record show that I didn't start this installment of this fuss.

Also let the record show that Trump, in using the word "let" essentially meant "consent" on the AH tape. The pedantic point I made with Porchlight days ago was that "let" is not necessarily "consent." I said at the time that it was a pedantic point, that it was not germane to the AH tape itself. But you felt it was something to litigate sooo...I litigated. I think we may share a character flaw ;)

As for the AH tape, you believe that only one interpretation is possible, and you have to be an idiot to think otherwise. I will just note that if there are cases with Trump where the lady claims Trump kissed her without consent, or grabbed her without consent, this tape is going into evidence. Trump will claim he meant what you say he made. The Gloria Allred equivalent will claim otherwise. We'll see what the idiots on the jury (or on the bench) decide.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

I am leaving util early afternoon. I have to go meet an agent who is going to help me find a cheaper Medicare supplement, since mine has gone up almost 50% since I signed up for it 4 years ago.

[RattlerGator]

Wowza, y'all have Colored problems, too? Who'd a thunk it !!!

Iggy, I am working overtime methodically thinking through my attack. A complicating factor, of course, is my Georgia peach. Her boys have never defied her. That's all I'll say about that for now. My two brothers (also former Soldiers) and I are jointly and individually thinking it through. Right now, I'm content to let this punk-ass idiot sit and worry about the beating to come. In the meantime, if he voluntarily unasses the place, that fact alone may not save his ass.

Because right now I want some satisfaction; the kind only an ass-whüppin' can provide.

* * *

I was afraid the Gators season had driven you to distraction.

Posted by: Captain Hate | November 21, 2017 at 08:42 AM

That too, CH, that too !!! Dammit. I want Willie Taggart (out at Oregon) to come back home and replace our Montana Boy who just wasn't ready for the challenges of the Southland *or* the uniqueness of Florida but . . . that said, I'm A.O.K. with Chip Kelly or Scott Frost. I suspect we already have a deal with Chip Kelly and are just waiting for a December date to officially announce it.

* * *

Daddy, isn't Charlie Rose a Carolinian from the Old North State? My oldest sister loves him and when I told her about this situation she said she was heartbroken. I believe her. To a certain element of Democrats (the educated elite) this Charlie Rose hit is *the* most devastating hit, much more than Bill Clinton IMHO.

[Threadkiller]

Let the record show that I didn't start this installment of this fuss.

Appalled finally gets me to agree with him.

[henry]

Old Yeller gets Foxs News hour:

\https://twitter.com/carolineglick/status/932989458512785408

(I don't like him at all).

[Appalled]

RG:

Sounds like you got a good Southern novel cooking there. Think you can get Denzel and Viola to act in the movie version?

[daddy]

Daddy, isn't Charlie Rose a Carolinian from the Old North State?

Yes he is RG, but at least I can hold this against the SOB:

WIKI: A high school basketball star at Henderson High School,[9] in his hometown, Rose entered Duke University, intending to pursue a degree with a pre-med track; however, an internship in the office of Democratic North Carolina Senator B. Everett Jordan got him interested in politics.[10] Rose graduated in 1964 with a Bachelor's Degree in History. At Duke, Rose was a member of the Kappa Alpha Order fraternity. Rose earned a Juris Doctor from the Duke University School of Law in 1968.

[Beasts of England]

Charlie Rose is about the last person I'd ever guess to be a KA.

[JimNorCal]

RG, great to see you online!

[JimNorCal]

Insty links to a piece where Dems are "concerned" that ramming through Trump's judicial nominees despite blue slips by trampling the filibuster will lead to said judges being considered political partisans.

Leaving aside Wise Latina, et al, here's a real example of a politically partisan judge.
https://hotair.com/archives/2017/11/21/familiar-judge-wastes-time-sanctuary-city-orders/

[Jim Eagle]

RG,

Chip Kelly? I'll go to my booster friend with that and see if he can confirm. Of course with Chip we will need a top QB recruit.

[Threadkiller]

Latrine's Toilet-side Chats.

[cathyf]

English usage (at least in Georgia.)

"He had a gun to my head: of course I let him"

Try subbing in "consent" in that sentence. Get thrown out of screenwriting school. (Unless, of course, the character has Asperger's)

Don't know if anyone else has already slapped this down, so this may be a repeat.

Appalled's example of non-consent: "He had a gun to my head: of course I let him"

Mr. Trump's example of consent: "He is famous; of course I let him"

I feel like the little boy in The Emperor's New Clothes. If you listen to or read Trump's actual words, and you understand English, he is talking about

1) hypothetical situations; (subjunctive mood, baby)

AND

2) two entire classes of people; (famous men in Hollywood, women who turn skanky for famous men in Hollywood)

...and if we've learned anything over the weeks since the Harvey Weinstein story broke, it's that Trump was right about Hollywood, too.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Also let the record show that Trump, in using the word "let" essentially meant "consent" on the AH tape. The pedantic point I made with Porchlight days ago was that "let" is not necessarily "consent."--

Wait, so you have all along conceded that Trump in fact meant "consent" and was in no way describing non consensual contact and you have been off on a wild hair that another definition for "let" can mean unwilling acceptance?

I withdraw my objection and ask the court take judicial notice that Appalled has conceded his case and there is in fact no actual controversy before the bench.

[Captain Hate]

I suspect we already have a deal with Chip Kelly and are just waiting for a December date to officially announce it.

I've heard Kelly to UCLA although the academic requirements for jocks there, much higher than the dumbfuck Ducks, might mean an SEC future.

[henry]

David Burge @iowahawkblog
12m

There should be a morning show with George Stephanopoulos and Charlie Rose. Charlie could drop trou on the guest while George explains why it's old news

[Janeprobably about 10 minutes after getting there]

OL,

I'd rather dust off my radio show.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

One last point before I go.
If these cases ever got to trial, which they won't, all Trump has to do is be asked what did you mean by "let" Mr Trump and explain.
At that point the recording works in his favor because the plain meaning plants doubt about the accuser's story and their motivations, not Trump's.

[glenda]

Appalled ..what do you think "Asperger's" is? You use it as descriptive to rationalize your opinions...

RG..So you're the family member that handles "stuff"? I can relate😲

When TROUBLE comes to visit, I remember what my well-meaning brother would say to ?help....'Well, G...the Lord only gives the heaviest loads to the strongest horses" ! Being reminded you're an old grey mare doesn't help!

Thanksgiving Blessings to all 🦃🍽♥️🇺🇸

[Appalled]

Iggy:

Let's identify the point of contention and leave it alone. And here it is.

My View: Trump, in his AH tape, is a mind reader. He just kisses. He knows they want it, because he's a star, they let him. If his mind reading is faulty in any way, then he's just kissed someone without consent (and he has become Al Franken at the USO tour).

Ignatz View: Trump's getting prior consent (if he's really doing anything). He just knows women.

cathyf's view: This is just all hypothetical.

Judge's view: You may proceed, Ms. Allred.

[Janet 🚬]

Like Conyers -

Paying off the accuser worked for big Dem. contributor,Terry Bean of the Human Rights Campaign too.

How about the Human Rights Campaign's Terry Bean & the pedo charges against him - http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/09/225000_offer_by_gay_rights_act.html
FTA - "Prosecutors could offer the teenager only $5 a day as a witness fee to testify against Bean - along with "the chance to talk about embarrassing details from his past ... in front of a group of strangers," Hasselman said.
"Mr. Bean offered him over $200,000 to civilly compromise this case," Hasselman said. "Now if you're this child and you have the choice between embarrassment and $5 a day and over $200,000 ... it seems to me that would be a highly influential factor in deciding what you're going to do."

[Janet 🚬]

Both Weiner & Rose liked to show women their junk. Weiner texted pictures of his genitalia to women while Rose showed his to employees, interns, & women wanting a job.

[Appalled]

glenda:

It's a description of a person who has a problem identifying the social context of a situation.

[Jim Eagle]

Since sex is in the news these days, here is a compedium of advice:

"There are a number of mechanical devices which increase sexual arousal, particularly in women. Chief among these is the Mercedes-Benz SL500."

Lynn Lavner

"It isn't premarital sex if you have no intention of getting married."

George Burns

"Women might be able to fake orgasms. But men can fake a whole relationship."

Sharon Stone

"Hockey is a sport for white men. Basketball is a sport for black men. Golf is a sport for white men dressed like black pimps."

Tiger Woods

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch."

Jack Nicholson

"Clinton lied. A man might forget where he parks or where he lives, but he never forgets oral sex, no matter how bad it is."

Barbara Bush (Former US First Lady)

"Ah, yes, divorce, from the Latin word meaning to rip out a man's genitals through his wallet."

Robin Williams

"According to a new survey, women say they feel more comfortable undressing in front of men than they do undressing in front of other women. They say that women are too judgmental, where, of course, men are just grateful."

Robert De Niro

"There's a new medical crisis. Doctors are reporting that many men are having allergic reactions to latex condoms. They say they cause severe swelling. So what's the problem?"

Dustin Hoffman

"There's very little advice in men's magazines, because men think, 'I know what I'm doing. Just show me somebody naked !"

Jerry Seinfeld

"See, the problem is that God gives men a brain and a penis and only enough blood to run one at a time."

Robin Williams

"It's been so long since I've had sex, I've forgotten who ties up whom."

Joan Rivers

"Sex is one of the most wholesome, beautiful and natural experiences money can buy."

Steve Martin

"You don't appreciate a lot of stuff in school until you get older. Little things like being spanked every day by a middle-aged woman. Stuff you pay good money for later in life."

Elmo Phillips

"Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same."

Oscar Wilde

[Porchlight]

I will just note that if there are cases with Trump where the lady claims Trump kissed her without consent, or grabbed her without consent, this tape is going into evidence.

Before anything can go into evidence, the lady in question will need to actually file a suit. I wonder why that hasn't yet come to pass. I mean, Gloria always follows through on these things, doesn't she?

[henry]

LOL, Biden one of the Congressional Settlers?

(raise hand if surprised by that)

https://twitter.com/jbro_1776/status/932988661674717184

[Appalled]

Porch:

There is at least one lawsuit that's been filed (not by Gloria).

If one is never filed, then the whole conversation is academic.

[Porchlight]

I didn't know that, Appalled.

I still disagree with you about the evidentiary value of the tape. And any other value you might assign to it. ;)

[Stephanie Nene Not your normal Grandma]

Charlie Rose is about the last person I'd ever guess to be a KA.

My first thought, too. GMTA!

[Beasts of England]

'...subjunctive mood, baby...'

The subjective mood is rapidly overtaking the passive voice and pluperfect at JOM!! 😎

[matt, deplore me if you must]

Thanks for the giggles JiB. I wonder if we'll ever hear those kinds of jokes again. We are experiencing the drowning of humor in an ocean of self righteousness.

Comedians can't play campuses anymore and bad taste, it would seem, is doubleplusungood. Soon they will ban Mel Brooks as a non-person.

As Bradbury wrote in Farenheit 451:

“‘Remember, the firemen are rarely necessary. The public itself stopped reading of its own accord.'”

[RattlerGator]

I guess y'all know I'm using y'all as a diversion, right? I was getting a little too caught up in slicing and dicing this fool.

* * *

Appalled -- it damn sure is good grist for a crazy ass story. Who would play my Georgia Peach? This beautiful drink of Florida Citrus:

http://www.tampabay.com/features/angela-bassett-talks-growing-up-in-st-petersburg-on-nerdist/2268415

And the idiot hubby? This funny bwah:

http://kevinhartnation.com/

Beating his ass in a movie scene would be hilarious !!!

* * *

Charlie Rose is about the last person I'd ever guess to be a KA.

Posted by: Beasts of England | November 21, 2017 at 10:27 AM

Precisely what I thought.

* * *

Those jokes, JiB? That's some good shiznit right there. As for Chip Kelly, I'll be genuinely shocked if he hasn't already agreed to coach the Gators. All this other speculation is merely clickbait and disinformation.

[Beasts of England]

Those are seriously funny, JiB!!

[Rocco]

Well if I were a juror and heard that Leigh Corfman's mother testify that her daughter didn't have a phone in her room until she was older, I'd have enough reasonable doubt to aquit.

[derwill]

The only law suit I've heard about is by a crazy woman who tried it once already in California and it was thrown out of court, so she has now filed in NY.

If there really was a legitimate law suit, we'd have been hearing about it from the MSM 24/7 for months now.

But, hey, keep hope alive.

[Janet 🚬]

What's a KA?

[Porchlight]

Ah, I looked it up, Appalled.

The only suit brought was by Summer Zervos, and it isn't for the sexual misconduct she accused Trump of before the election.

It's for defamation because he called her a liar.

So, how does the tape fit in?

And, mea culpa, it IS an Allred suit:

The plaintiff in the lawsuit — Summer Zervos, a former contestant on Mr. Trump’s show “The Apprentice” — is represented by the law firm of Gloria Allred, who has helped bring cases against Bill Cosby and other high-profile defendants. They claimed that Mr. Trump defamed Ms. Zervos during the campaign when he repeatedly described her and other accusers’ accounts as “lies” and “nonsense” and said the women either were being put forward by his opponent Hillary Clinton’s campaign or were motivated to come forward by getting “10 minutes of fame,” according to the complaint.

[Beasts of England]

Kappa Alpha Order fraternity. Their designated gentleman is R. E. Lee and their formal theme is 'Old South'. At Alabama they had a 60' x 90' rebel flag that draped their entire portico, as they dressed up as Confederate officers and their dates in hoop skirts.

[Janet 🚬]

https://twitter.com/dprk_news/status/932773402380824577

After 48 year career of boredom and dullness, United States reporter Charlie Rose finally breaks interesting news story.

[Porchlight]

My favorite KA:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/02/books/ferrol-sams-doctor-turned-novelist-dies-at-90.html

I sent his Porter Osborne trilogy to Soylent when he was in Afghanistan. Great stuff. Would probably be considered way too politically incorrect nowadays.

[rich]

>>>My View: Trump, in his AH tape, is a mind reader. He just kisses. He knows they want it, because he's a star, they let him. If his mind reading is faulty in any way, then he's just kissed someone without consent (and he has become Al Franken at the USO tour).

Ignatz View: Trump's getting prior consent (if he's really doing anything). He just knows women.

cathyf's view: This is just all hypothetical.

Judge's view: You may proceed, Ms. Allred.

Posted by: Appalled | November 21, 2017 at 10:50 AM<<<

rich's view: Appalled is being dense, intentionally so, and needs to be trashed some more on 2 blogs.

[Clarice Feldman]

I know I speak for others here, RG--we'll all claim you were with us and out of town when whatever you did happened--and we have signed, dated yearbooks to prove it.

[Janet 🚬]

When is PBS gonna be cut off from taxpayer money?
Seriously, they need to make it on their own like every other TV station.
Not one dime.

[James D.]

Insty links to a piece where Dems are "concerned" that ramming through Trump's judicial nominees despite blue slips by trampling the filibuster will lead to said judges being considered political partisans.

Wow. And they found someone to say that with a straight face?

[Davod]

Henry. Ayers and dohrn were also on the ferry that tried to beach in gaza.

[Captain Hate on the iPhone]

KA was pretty much the Animal House of hardasses at Maryland when I was there. Charlie Rose being part of that does not compute, even as a family legacy and he was a genetic anomaly.

[Captain Hate on the iPhone]

When is PBS gonna be cut off from taxpayer money?

When the Uniparty is in the minority.

[rich]

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone | November 21, 2017 at 12:11 PM

Paul Ryan sniffing and downcast eyes, "this is not who we are."

[rich]

and seeing as the thread topic is "DREAMERS" Roided Up Ryan and the fairy band of GOPers are thinking of cocking up tax cuts just like they did "repeal and replace".

[rich]

musta scared everyone off ... YIKES!!!

[Captain Hate on the iPhone]

The 2018 primaries will hopefully be another definition of repeal and replace. I really hope Bannon has a good plan.

[henry]

This will not end well. ISIS calls for murder of Barron Trump.

https://twitter.com/jbro_1776/status/932988661674717184

[Dave (in MA)]

I won't even bother to link, but...

Student Op-Ed Claims 'Predominance of Whiteness'
Keeps Minorities from Enjoying the Outdoors -
Breitbart
A student at Pitzer College argues
"people of color have been denied access to
the outdoors" in a recent op-ed for an independent
student newspaper.
BREITBART.COM

[henry]

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JUST IN: Charlie Rose has been terminated from his roles at CBS News after multiple allegations of sexual harassment, the network says. cnb.cx/wgZvsT

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they didn't know at the time? that doesn't sound right.

[Jim Eagle]

RG,

Gator booster buddy confirms Chip Kelly and is beside himself since Kelly is not a Florida guy and is afraid he won't know how to relate to the kids during recruitment, etc. Evidently, its not going down well with the donor class.

[JimNorCal]

"If (Trump's) mind reading is faulty in any way, then he's just kissed someone without consent (and he has become Al Franken at the USO tour)."

Appalled, would you agree there is a difference in an unwanted kiss, even lip to lip, and thrusting a tongue down someone's throat? Or not?

[Beasts of England]

I'm listening to a woman at the bar mention that she has 38 people for dinner tomorrow night and 54 coming in for Thanksgiving. Uh...

[James D.]

Wow, Beasts. We're "only" going to have 28 at our Thanksgiving.

And hopefully no politics!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Good afternoon!

Good news! Switching to a combined Medicare Advantage/Prescription Drug coverage as opposed to a supplement plus a prescription policy is going to save me over $200 a month!

This is a BIG DEAL for me. God bless that agent!

Now, who's been accused of sexual harassment while I've been gone?

[JimNorCal]

Deplorable Don Surber has two posts related to the groping Dem "Biden Brigade"

http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2017/11/charlie-rose-shows-how-not-to-apologize.html
In recent days, America has learned there is a whole legion of lecherous lefties out there ... On Monday, Charlie Rose of PBS and CBS, and Glenn Thrush of the New York Times fell.

http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2017/11/republicans-need-to-learn-lesson-of.html
Scott Adams of Dilbert fame thinks Roy Moore is toast, I don't. ... The election comes down to whether Republicans want to limit government, cut taxes, and Make America Great Again -- or whether they would like to please the news media. We cannot risk the disapproval of Charlie Rose, can we? ... I love my country more than I love my party -- so I say vote for Roy Moore. If guilty, you can remove him. But if innocent, you cannot install him if he loses to super-liberal Doug Jones.

[Threadkiller]

Now, who's been accused of sexual harassment while I've been gone?

Appalled has reaccused Trump while making misstatements about the facts. Does that count?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

We will have at least 21. Maybe more if grandson brings his girl friend.

[Porchlight]

I'm not hosting, for the first time in 3 (?) years. Yay! My mom, my aunt and I will cook together for a total group of nine including the kids. Nice and easy.

[Porchlight]

In Florida. I will wave hi to all the Floridians! Maybe we will take a spin up to Palm Beach and say hi to the Trumps. :)

[henry]

My niece might come over. Should help my IOT project with my Lionel trains. (She majors in that IOT coding stuff).

[Captain Hate]

Evidently, its not going down well with the donor class.

It seems like a horrible culture fit and coming after a prolonged period of failure in the NFL. Nothing works like winning but it will cost them a lot to find out if that's what will happen.

[glenda]

Thanks for answering Appalled...

It's (asperger's) normally attributed to high-functioning individuals on the Autism spectrum..but social cues are just a part of if. Then you have many claiming Asperger's, where stubborn explains it. 😉
Each individual's affectation on the spectrum are as different, nuanced as, say..Mars & Venus!

And then you have sociopaths..like Hillary or Spacey, no conscience, only self-aggrandizement.

Everyone else can learn, joke, empathize and respect individuality.
Happy Thanksgiving🦃🇺🇸