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December 20, 2017



Is this the sniping family thread? 😉

Clarice Feldman

Ny shopping is done. I've time for IT mischief.


I hope Jane is ok. She's had a tough week.
If I was in need of someone to protect me, I'd want Jane on my side. Miss Marple is awesome, and I'm certain that the 2 lovely ladies will be ok.
God bless both of them.


For Ignatz. Ig as to POLLING on topics like TRUMP/RYAN tax cuts....LIBERALS and MFM shit in the soup over and over, then ask how it tastes.

Robin, eff 'em all


I don't know about longevity of the breed, but here is some info the ES association put together FWIW.


Robin, eff 'em all

Sorry, meant to say, about the cancer rates.

James D.

Books make great gifts...I'm just saying!

And we have several great authors on this site:

Joan, SBW, rse, who else am I missing?




(spiffy picture for SBW, by the way!)

I can't recall the link for joan's books - can anyone add that to the list?


Thanks, Robin. Much appreciated.

Robin, eff 'em all

Well, I never was one for high heels, so this is no great loss. My Doc Martens have always served me well....


Old Lurker

MM, on the other thread you had a link about Dems opposing tax cuts because they think taxes are like charity therefore cutting them implies lack of charity.

I call BS on that. 60% of government spending is a transfer of money from Peter to Paul. Dems just assume they are Paul or related to him or earn their salaries by standing between Peter & Paul and they want more of Peter's loot.

Simple as that.


It's almost like some giant scam, OL...

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Mirengoff doesn't think a majority on the EEOC a couple of months early is worth keeping the Chai tea broad on board.


I would take (or modify) appalled's point to be a suggestion not to personalize comments people make here about politics or political commentary. Even when it sounds personal, like "____ is an a**hole."

Hmmm, guess jimmyk doesn't want me posting anymore:)

James D.

I think you're both right, OL. The Dems are Paul, and know they're Paul...but they are lying to voters to convince them that it's charity (and keep the money flowing so they can take their cut)


Thanks James.

It was apparently Bernie Sanders and Ron Wyden who brought the change in 529 plans involving homeschoolers to the attention of the senate parliamentarian as a rule violation. So 529 plans can now be used for K-12 expenses if they are for a private or parochial school.

If anyone wants to know my thoughts on this, money following the child in any capacity binds the school to certain criteria that are out of sight of parents and usually imposed by the accreditors. Cruz's original amendment would have essentially taken out all ports in the storm. Does he know that? probably as heritage and nhsld had reps at the Rome conference set up by unesco a few years ago to bring home schooling under the broader learning standards template globally.

Cruz was also a listed speaker at the bipartisan leadership conference Convergence held that had plenty of speakers from soros entities too. I think that was december 2015.

Se why I write about the right and left pincers that are headed to the same place?

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

George Neumayer;
The left calls for the overthrow of Trump, then criticizes conservatives for noticing it.


I call BS on that. 60% of government spending is a transfer of money from Peter to Paul. Dems just assume they are Paul or related to him or earn their salaries by standing between Peter & Paul and they want Peter's loot.

Paul is an asshole.

See how long that lasted:)

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Compulsion at the point of Caesar's gun is the opposite of charity.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Old Lurker,

I know that. What they have done (and sorry if I wasn't clear) is make the public reluctant to support tax cuts publicly because they don't want to be portrayed as Scrooges. You and I know it's BS, but that is their very successful avenue of attack. It's worked for them since the 80's, you know.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


This is a very interesting thread by Wictor. Maybe there was more to that sword dance than we realized.


Funny how libtard/commies seem to HATE PETER.

When PETER pays nearly all the taxes, why do the PAUL'S all shit their pants at the idea of PETER recieving a tax cut.


Old Lurker

MM, I know we agree. The older and crankier I get, the less I am willing to let a fantasy go unaddressed even when popping the bubble hurts their feelings...especially when they want to "feel good" by taking my money and giving it to people they think deserve it more than me.

Iggy was right at 11:16 (and elsewhere).


Rosie O'Donnell is a disgrace.

Old Lurker

Gus, you are way too kind to them. You forgot AVARICE & GREED.

That's my point. These are not "soft" motivations (like lesser sins or accidents or just failure to think it through) like (Votes ie "love), jealously, or ignorance for which polite society can just ignore or wink-wink.

They want your stuff, which you made and they did not. And they will destroy you to get it.

That is pure evil.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


I want to call your attention not to this article, which I think either Clarice or I posted yesterday, but to the current comments. Right now this links to a third page of comments. Go down to the one at D. Manny, who is connecting the odious Rick Wilson to the Fusion GPS dossier. He makes a good case, using Rick Wilson's tweets and the dates he made them.


You are correct OL, and that is why Rosie O'Bese is pissing herself silly


I was told by someone (ahem) in the swamp that the bitching,whining and hyperbolic ravings of the Dems is complete BS. She told me that there were hearings and meetings re: the tax bill out the wazoo. Where were the Dems? She's so burnt out (taxes,etc) are her area of "government relations" that she's arriving tonight for Christmas. Two days early. Yay!


Rank and file bleeding heart liberal voters believe that it is the government's job to "take care of people" even if they themselves aren't directly benefiting.

The Free Shit Army is in it for themselves.

Elected Dems know it is all a power grab based on buying votes from the above two groups with Peter's money.

So it's all of the above.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
4m4 minutes ago

I would like to congratulate @SenateMajLdr on having done a fantastic job both strategically & politically on the passing in the Senate of the MASSIVE TAX CUT & Reform Bill. I could have not asked for a better or more talented partner. Our team will go onto many more VICTORIES!

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Old Lurker,

Here's a Twitter guy I follow who is a man after your own heart:

Chris Barron‏Verified account @ChrisRBarron
28s28 seconds ago

Imagine belonging to a political party that tells the bold faced lie that the government returning your money to you is “theft”. The Democrat Party is the real scam.

Robin, eff 'em all

House votes at noon.

Robin, eff 'em all



Buford Gooch

OL, "You didn't make that!"

Robin, eff 'em all


Good, we need people like her noting that the media will do whatever it takes to push their agenda.


“An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy,” McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. 327 (1819)


House is voting now I think. At least on cloture.

Fun live thread at T_D: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/7l2egc/live_house_tax_final_re_vote_122017/

Old Lurker

:-) Buford.

Porch "Rank and file bleeding heart liberal voters believe that it is the government's job to "take care of people"

I know that is what many of them think. But ask ANY of them to name a society from any point in history, or from anywhere on earth at any point in history, or expand it to include the entire natural world from germs to dinosaurs, where that has ever been successful for long enough to extend the group into the next generation much less beyond, and you will get nothing but blank stares back.

And for Gus, I would add "sloth" to my Greed and Avarice.


Politico Reporter Pushes Back After Former Obama Officials Attempt to Discredit Hezbollah Report

He goes on Fox and takes on Vietor, Harf and Rhodes.

"I'm fan of Marie's. I talked to her when she was at the State Department, but she was at a different level of the State Department. She was a spokesperson and to say that the people that I quoted were low-level people is sort of ridiculous. These were the people that led this task force. They were not ideologues. They're not flawed. I don't know what she's talking about," Meyer said.

"This is not a story in 14,000 words where I was just taking some ‘spin' from some people. This spent months of meticulous reporting to document what was happening– talking to people outside the administration–and so I challenge people to let me know what the specifics are that they think aren't true," Meyer concluded.


"I challenge people to let me know what the specifics are that they think aren't true," Meyer concluded."


 Duda: Progressive and loving it!!

Jesus Christ the Ben Carson prayer at the cabinet meeting was one of the freakiest things I've ever seen.I kept waiting for someone to throw a live goat on the table.

Shouldn't they have been wearing robes and black hoods? Lucky no Virgins wandered in.

You Righties are truly freaky.

Oh and VP Pence...heres a handkerchief.There's still some on your chin.


I second Gentlejim's request to have Goldberg join our JOM reindeer games for a few minutes.


Miss Marple the Deplorable

David Martosko‏Verified account @dmartosko
10m10 minutes ago

Trump blasts the press as he hands off the cabinet meeting to Ben Carson for a prayer: "You need the prayer more than I do, I think. You may be the only ones. Maybe a good solid prayer and they'll be honest."


Ya gotta love the guy. LOL!


Kudos to Josh Meyer, Politico's "Senior Investigative Reporter". Good to know they're not all BOzo lap-dogs. I wonder if the WA Amtrak derailment inquiry will lead back to BOzo too, as reporting seems to have gone Poof!.


A topic which would be agonizing if it occurs but as an exercise in gum flapping is ripe for zingers.
"I think it is fair to say that the left would have a bigger problem than the right. ... Leftists would have to both secure vast territories around their urban strongholds and relearn from scratch the generations-lost art of food production. ... We, on the other hand, would be critically short of new Hollywood movies. "


at least it's a start:



Deb: "Kudos to Josh Meyer, Politico's "Senior Investigative Reporter". Good to know they're not all BOzo lap-dogs."

A lot of problems would self-heal if media told the truth. Good to see a reporter follow a story that reflects badly on Dems.


I wonder if the WA Amtrak derailment inquiry will lead back to BOzo too, as reporting seems to have gone Poof!.

Sabotage? If so, we will never learn about it, I fear. As with the Las Vegas shooting.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Mark Knoller of CBS Radio on Twitter, reporting on President Trump at the cabinet meeting:

Compliments @nikkihaley for warning nations who will vote against US at UN General Assembly tomorrow on Jerusalem decision. Pres says they "take our money then vote against us." "Let them vote against us," says @POTUS. "We'll save a lot. We don't care."

Now I ask you guys, is this a President or what? Bwahahaha!

Those career employees at State probably passed out. Good!

Tears So Sweet

Liberal tears taste so sweet today and will be an ongoing gift throughout this Christmas holiday!

Tax reform passed:
- Tax rate reductions! Higher paychecks for working Americans starting in February!
- AMT penalty on middle class eliminated through higher exemption levels!
- State and Local Tax deductions limited. High tax blue states hardest hit!! They are free to lower state taxes to offset.

- ANWR Drilling!
- Obamacare mandate gone! Now Obamacare is effectively gone!!!

Dems vote against taxpayers keeping more of their hard earned money and vote against job growth. Good luck in 2018!!!!

It's going to be a joyous Christmas for all working Americans!!!!!

Miss Marple the Deplorable

That Politico article is interesting for another reason besides the perfidy of the Obama Administration's actions.

By publishing it, it indicates to me that there is worse stuff, that Politico has caught word of it through their contacts, and they realize they don't want to be hitched to the losing and possibly treasonous side.

President Trump isn't going to be impeached. By spring he will be extremely popular due to people seeing the money back in their pockets, and jobs will be available almost everywhere.

Tote Board

Current House Vote Totals on Tax Bill:

Yea: 149
Nay: 136

Time remaining: 3:00 minutes

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Charlie Spiering‏Verified account @charliespiering
33m33 minutes ago

“I may be going there very shortly” says Donald Trump about visiting the wall prototypes on the border

Tote Board

Current House Vote Totals on Tax Bill:

Yea: 158
Nay: 152

Time remaining: 2:00 minutes

Tote Board

Current House Vote Totals on Tax Bill:

Yea: 170
Nay: 159

Time remaining: 1:00 minute


Iirc "high speed rail" was a BOzo fave, one of his "shovel ready" boondoggles promising "high paying jobs" that never materialized but beggared the country. BOzo's economic speech, at this time in his disastrous reign, debunked.

Tote Board

Current House Vote Totals on Tax Bill:

Yea: 224
Nay: 201

Time remaining: 0:00 minutes




Miss Marple the Deplorable

Another Bob,

Now you can breathe a sigh of relief. The bill has passed.


Merry Tax Cuts everybody!

I can hear the agonized screeching of lefties all around me......

Old Lurker

I credit Maryrose.

 Duda: Progressive and loving it!!

"Liberal tears taste so sweet today and will be an ongoing gift throughout this Christmas holiday"

We'll undo it in 2020. It's the second most unpopular piece of legislation in recorded history and will calcify Republicans image as the party of the rich.The gains the Middle-class will make will be so small they'll hardly be felt.But the perception of this aiding the rich will endure.

We take the House and the Senate and the Presidency by 2020 and undo it all.Every single fucking thing.It's simpler than you think. The New exploding brown demographic coupled with the memory of a White Supremacist President ensures a permanent Democratic majority in which we do things to you that will not be pleasant.

Sometimes when you win....you lose.

But I would enjoy this Christmas. 3 Years from now you'll need fond memories to keep you going.


No Dems voted for it? That's a mirror image of the Obamacare vote iirc on Dec. 23, 2009, while the BOzos were in HI for their 10 day Christmas holiday.

Art Deal

The liberal tears continue to flow! It's like a fire hose now!!!! It's going to be a great Christmas!!!!!


Minus a good deal of skullduggery, DebinNC.

Eric in Boise

Duda sounds crankier than a Cleveland Browns fan today.

Another Bob


Another Bob



Morning all, frestivas is over?

I named comey inspector dreyfus, after clousseaus dyspeptic boss.




Found on the MEMRI website:


I can understand the Syrians deceiving the UN Inspectors. Don't we have the CIA and various other intelligence services to make sure the Syrians are unable to get away with deceiving us?



He is a sharpcookie, he also works for NBC news so they are dissing their own



Congrats, by extension, maryrose.
I'm sure the tax bill is full of unneeded and counter productive items.
Nonetheless, a big first step! As the rust flakes off (as the Flake rusts off?) we all hope to see forward looking governance by both conservative and GOPe congress critters. There is a LOT of improvement available

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Mark Knoller‏Verified account @markknoller
22m22 minutes ago

House and Senate Republicans invited to a WH event at 3PM to celebrate final passage of the tax cut bill with Pres Trump.


And be followed the body bomber after brennan burned the asset (left unsaid)



This vote imo is a clear indication of what Rs heard from constituents. Msm claims that 2018 will be a disaster for Rs is hooey, except for renegades like Flake/Corker imo.


Aren't you getting a tax cut, Duda? Did you check the calculator?



Aren't you getting a tax cut, Duda? Did you check the calculator?

Welfare benefits and under the table Soros money aren't taxed.

Tom R

We'll undo it in 2020. It's the second most unpopular piece of legislation in recorded history

Only to the idiots stupid enough to believe everything the Democrats tell them to believe.

It really does boggle my mind how stupid Democrat voters can be. Who in their right mind is opposed to getting more money in their paychecks due to lower taxes?

James D.

I'll admit I was wrong about the Congress - they passed something that (while far from perfect) is a definite improvement. So credit where credit is due.

They can enjoy their achievement this afternoon, then back to work on items #2 through about #10,000 on the agenda.

Old Lurker

James "I'll admit I was wrong about the Congress"

No you weren't.

They didn't do it for us, they did it to save their necks.

But I'm glad they did it and do think good will come from it.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Dana Perino has to cover Trump's victory party, so in revenge she has on that weasel Chris Stirewalt. I despise that guy.

pagar, a bacon, ham and sausage supporter

Nay: 201 Americans who hate that other Americans might not have to give as much money to the federal government as they do now. These haters can all be replaced in 2018.

There is no reason to reelect a single one of them,IMO.

Captain Hate

I'd like to explain in advance of him showing up why I blasted daddy the way I did on the previous thread. I thought he was in a unique position to defuse a situation that was getting uglier by the minute and didn't do so. I like daddy and think he's a good person; otherwise I wouldn't bother to write this. People I like are welcome to call me out if I do something they think I shouldn't have and leave undone some action I should have taken. daddy has my email if he wants to discuss this further.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Charles V Payne‏Verified account @cvpayne
8m8 minutes ago

Breaking News AT&T To Shares the Wealth
Because of GOP Tax Bill will pass out $1,000 bonus to 200,000 American workers and invest $1.0 billion.
Merry Christmas

Clarice Feldman

Duda, you have a winning theme there--now that Russia and war on women have been lost:We all voted to keep you from getting a tax cut and from being released from fines for not carrying Obama insurance! Bravo, geniuses.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

The Boeing Company‏Verified account @Boeing

#Boeing announces $300M employee-related and charitable investment as a result of #TaxReform legislation to support our heroes, our homes and our future.

Old Lurker

"GOP Tax Bill will pass out $1,000 bonus to 200,000 American workers and invest $1.0 billion."

That's going to leave a mark.

Captain Hate

Good riddance:


Beasts of England

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Miss Marple the Deplorable

From the Business Roundtable:


Miss Marple the Deplorable

Charlie Spiering‏Verified account @charliespiering
54s55 seconds ago

White House reporters say Christmas music is playing ahead of Trump’s tax cut “celebration” with Congressional Republicans at the White House


Stirewalt and Perino are 2 peas in a pod.

Old Lurker

G'men F up another one by playing too cute by half.

Hope that becomes a trend:



Good Morning! Moments ago on FOX, the Host asks this to Presidential Historian Doug Wead:

Host: I've got 30 seconds, Doug. Do you think Donald Trump is getting better at the job? Is he learning from his mistakes?

Prof Wead: You know, I wonder about that Ashley. Maybe I'm figuring him out a little bit better than I had. He may have been a little more calculated than I gave him credit for. But yeah, he's got a lot to brag about this first year, no question about it.

Host: He certainly does.

Sure seems like a lot of that going around lately:)

maga one

trump event on tax bill


Beasts of England

Doug Jones who?! ;)

maga one

u can rewind on youtube link of trump event to catch beginning


Busy with school so I was unable to post until now.
Jane: I support you and want you to continue your informative posts.
I support you as well.
With so many posters feeling extra stress and difficult times I advise kindness.
Personal friends and family should be treated carefully.
Hillary can be verbally abused at will.
Cheap shots at Paul Ryan are easy and in most cases false.
President Trump is praising Ryan and McConnell as I post this!

Let us start fresh and remember compassion and understanding can rule
the day.


I noted the vanagas piece that gessen piece, clarice, because I thought it was an area you might have had some insight from your osi experience.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Wise words. President Trump demonstrates how to work with people and I am very impressed with how the GOP senators seem so jovial and basking in the President's praise.



German investment in the US is expected to rise by €39 billion because of lower US corporate taxes.

While Americans are anxiously awaiting full details of the tax bill now being finalized in Congress, German economists are warning that the changes sought by President Donald Trump mean that significant amounts of new investment and jobs will shift from Europe to the United States.

“The tax competition will have a new dimension,” said Christoph Spengel, chairman of the corporate tax department at the University of Mannheim. Mr. Spengel, who is also a research associate at the Center for European Economic Research, and a group of tax experts at the university have done a detailed comparison of the two countries’ tax systems and published a report under the heading, “Germany loses out in US tax reform.”

Clemens Fuest, who heads the Ifo economic think tank, also said he believed German business would suffer. “Investments and jobs will migrate to the US,” he said.

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