The Good Russians Resisted

The WashEx has yet more on the Steele dossier, and notes this puzzle:

Knowing Steele's sources is a critical part of the congressional dossier investigation, for both sides. If one argues the document is unverified and never will be, it is critical to learn the identity of the sources to support that conclusion. If one argues the document is the whole truth, or largely true, knowing sources is equally critical.

Beyond that, there is another reason to know Steele's sources, and that is to learn not just the origin of the dossier but its place in the larger Trump-Russia affair. There is a growing belief among some congressional investigators that the Russians who provided information to Steele were using Steele to disrupt the American election as much as the Russians who distributed hacked Democratic Party emails. In some investigators' views, they are the two sides of the Trump-Russia project, both aimed at sowing chaos and discord in the American political system.

Investigators who favor this theory ask a sensible question: Is it likely that all the Russians involved in the attempt to influence the 2016 election were lying, scheming, Kremlin-linked, Putin-backed enemies of America – except the Russians who talked to Christopher Steele?

Sure, maybe there were some right-thinking Russians who favored the predictability of a Clinton regime, even though Putin loathed her. Right-thinking people everywhere backed Hillary, didn't they?

Comments

[Dave (in MA)]

тем не менее
Она упорствовала

[narcisoyea]

Harding despite being a Al ghuardian contributor, has generally nit been a hack
tried to square that circle. Unsuccessfully.

[Ralph L]

lower-east-sides-giant-penis-mural-didnt-last-long
It came and went.

[Catsmeat]

Will ask my Russian-speaking father what you meant, Dave! He's visiting.

COOOOOLD today, and I think we are nowhere near the end of it. Draped my visiting mother in sheepskin coats, which helped. Sprout the Brussels griffon has been returned to store (thankfully). Saw a fox on the front lawn on Christmas, who trotted off in the guilty way foxes have when they are caught out in daylight (this was about 9 am); what I always say on such occasions is "you, sir, are a fox." Fair cop, says the fox, moseying down the road. My son saw a pair of them a few weeks ago, also in the morning, also looking guilty as hell. These all seem well-fed, if that's good (am not sure). We live in pure suburbia, not the country.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Little jewel of a comment, catsmeat. :)

[Threadkiller]

as much as the Russians who distributed hacked Democratic Party emails

I call this progress-stroika. This cleverly written line acknowledges that the Russians "distributed" hacked emails and abandons the notion that they "hacked" said emails.

[Ralph L]

She's just trying to make me look crass.

[Catsmeat]

Well, thanks, Ig!

[JimNorCal]

Saw my first marijuana billboard today. "Eaze" asserts pot helps with headache pain.

Does any fellow Californicators know details of the legalization phase in?

[JimNorCal]

"Do any", sheesh

[Janet 🚬]

The entire stupid "Russia Show" was financed, directed & produced during the Obama Administration.
Only NOW they are wondering about the dossier source??? Shouldn't that have been step 1?
It is ridiculous.
I honestly don't know what the specific crime they are even accusing the Trump administration of. What is it?

It seems like our tax dollars are being used to just endlessly harass the Trump administration.

[narcisoyea]

Btw Stephanie friend was up at the islander casino last week, he appreciated the room and the food but the hospitality left something to be desired.

[narcisoyea]

Winning the election, that's a capitol offense.

[boatbuilder]

One obvious problem with this WashEx piece is that it assumes that "Russian" "disruption" had some sort of significant effect on the election, rather than being a fantasy promoted to bring Trump to heel. A second is that it assmes that the "Russians" who supposedly provided "Steele" with the disinformation in the dossier actually exist and were doing the bidding of Putin.

Fake News Analysis!

[boatbuilder]

Hey, Janet--Great minds...!

[Captain Hate]

To what joan linked on the last thread, I further believe the assholes on Team Curb Dive considered Steinle's family the enemy for filing a lawsuit against San Francisco, on what I'm not sure but obviously something having to do with their sanctuary nonsense. A fundraiser for the stumbling lush was canceled because it was hosted by the attorney suing the city and you know how much that grasping shrew loves money.

So there's no doubt to me between the trash denizens of the shithole city and the ambulance chaser prosecutors considered the Steinles the enemy and between a half assed prosecution and borderline retards on the jury, the fix was in.

[narcisoyea]

Evidence of such was the police witness who did pin the shooters trajectory was not recalled a previous medical examiner who dd not handle the evidence was employed to challenge the balljstuc evidence.

When I first started reading the early handouts profered by crowdstrike, their open and shut didn't appear to be all that.

[daddy]

Catsmeat,

Came across this Jane Austen reference in a bio piece about a New Zealand General in Montgomery's 8Th Army at the Battle of Mareth in Tunisia in March 1943, and it was so unexpected I post it for your amusement: From "An Army AT Dawn)-(Atkinson) Page 426-427:

..."Am sending General Horrock's to take charge," Montgomery added in his predawn message. "Am sure you will understand."

One man who did not understand was the New Zealanders' legendary commander, Lieutenant General Bernard C Freyberg, English born but raised in New Zealand. Freyberg had been a dentist before finding his true calling as a warrior of Homeric strength and courage. Known as Tiny to his troops, he had a skull the size of a medicine ball, with a push broom mustache and legs that extended like sycamore trunks from his khaki shorts. In the Great War, he had won the Victoria Cross on the Somme, served as a pallbearer for his great friend Rupert Brooke, and emerged so seamed by shrapnel that when Churchill once persuaded him to display his wounds the count reached twenty seven. More were to come. Oarsman, boxer, swimmer of the English Channel, he had been medically retired for "aortic incompetence" in the 1930's before being summoned back to uniform. No greater heart beat in British battle dress. Churchill a month earlier had proclaimed Freyberg "the salamander of the British Empire," an accolade that raised Kiwi hackles---"What in 'ell's a salamander?"---until the happy news spread that the creature could pass through fire unharmed. "Simple as a child and as cunning as a Maori dog," Freyberg was both superstitious---he refused for example to look at a new moon through glass---and literate. In his raspy voice he enjoyed reciting Mrs Bennet's gleeful prattle in "Pride and Prejudice" upon learning that her daughter Lizzy is to marry the rich Mr Darcy: "Ten thousand a year! Oh, Lord! What will become of me? I shall go distracted."

Here's "Tiny" in action:

That Jane Austen bit tickled me, and I hope it does you as well. Where don't she pop up?

[Janet 🚬]

Yeah, boatbuilder.

I would tune out except that I want to stick up for the Trump administration.
Otherwise....the entire "Russia Show" seems stupid & boring. It is like everyone KNOWS it is a bunch of BS.

The only interesting aspect is uncovering the corruption in our government agencies & the MFM.

[Captain Hate]

honestly don't know what the specific crime they are even accusing the Trump administration of.

Destroying the assumed coronation of Queen Diane.

[Threadkiller]

Janet, can you imagine if 1/1000 the effort was expended on Obama's Pakistan Dossier?

In the middle of a campaign he let it slip that he traveled to an off-limits country in his college years and the media took a big yawn.

[narcisoyea]

This whole montage resembles two regrettable instances of sabotage the smoking gun, curveball had been a bnd connected asset since one of their inspectors recruited him as a source. Stephen Grey who unraveled much of the rendition program interviewed rafi alwan and siscivered much of what the late Mr. Drumheller had relayed to drogin and sid vicious was entirely wrong but the bnd which clearly was not disposed to cooperate withheld any communications

Then you have the Niger affair, those cables that emerged via a journalist intermediary from an asset with a checkered past, who had contact with a rival power adverse to the coalitions goals

[Threadkiller]

I can't find the interview where Obama felt compelled to reveal his illegal travels. I know it happened around the same time John Brennan's spooks tapped into Obama's passport files.

[Janet 🚬]

I hate reading this too -

Saw my first marijuana billboard today. "Eaze" asserts pot helps with headache pain.

It is really sad for our country. So many third world countries have some accepted drug that keeps the population numb, lazy, & easily manipulated.
Marijuana, khat, coca leaves,...

[daddy]

At Sydney's large Dymock's Book Store today I counted 88 copies of Hillary's new 900 pager on display. A huge stack, it was prominent on the History/Politics section second floor and surrounded by other anti-Trump screeds, including Noam Chomsky and Ta Nesi Coates. I was in the store for about 40 minutes doing my usual slow browse and tho' the store was packed I never saw anyone at all pause anywhere near Hillary's volume or show the slightest interest, and since I had already read a bit of the previous thread it made me wonder if Vanity Fair Mag had recommended anyone in particular to be Hillary's Ghost-Knitter.

[Threadkiller]

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2012/03/time_for_new_look_at_2008_obama_passport_breach.html

Time for New Look at 2008 Obama Passport Breach

[narcisoyea]

The curious thing to me, was those two lads were certainly in the opposition to zia, Afghanistan was under martial law, how did Obama get it, its not like the boys at aapbara couldn't put two and two together.

[daddy]

Headline: NFL Cancels Sunday Night Football This Week

[narcisoyea]

Yes, Janet its like they forgot the use made of opium and other intoxicants
:http://www.fsmitha.com/h3/h38china.htm

[Janet 🚬]

The concern about foreign influences in our elections is pretty rich also.
I thought the MFM/Dem machine LOVED foreign influences in America.
Why concern about only Russia?
Is there concern about China, Mexico, Iran, Pakistan???? Foreign money to non-profits, foundations, think tanks???? Any concern about that?

[narcisoyea]

So its not like when they ran out of coffee on 'airplane'

I was aware of part of that storyfrom a Bo of cixi, the empress which built that stone fleet.

The opium wars were happening g in the background that would claim 20 million lives, so communism want the onY guaranteed form of butchery in that land. Palmeston who settled the crumean war, subsequently moved on to this engagement before moving onto nigerua

[daddy]

--Both sides are dreaming of a big take down--

In that Greg Jarrett interview posted a few threads back with the Judicial Watch guy, the Judicial Watch guy, (who's name I cannot remember) cautioned not to get our hopes up, because even though he is pulling for IG Horowitz to do the right thing he says that Horowitz's number 2 man at the OIG is in essence in on the fix because he has dealt with him many times before and what the number 2 guy does is do everything within his power to cover up anything that makes the Agency look bad.

[narcisoyea]

Bio crimean Palmeston and Nigeria:

https://mobile.twitter.com/_Drew_McCoy_/status/946204898856595457?p=v

Place your bets

[Gentlejim]

How many people in DC are truly honorable? At the risk of offending anonamom, I'm going to say the number is less then the number of crazy hairs on my ears.

:)

[Gentlejim]

then=than Gah....

[lyle]

Greg Jarrett needs to cut back on the makeup and hair dye. He's embarrassing aging divas and/or Tijuana whores.

::meow::

[narcisoyea]

I'm surprised marrow hasn't interviewed them:

https://mobile.twitter.com/FarLeftWatch/status/946144769843040257

They are not only Che but marighella aficionados

Robert George who did was the IRS ig was reasonably above board this was why learner prespun his report and tried to bury the evidence

[lyle]

And it's a mystery why RichRod is still employed. Thus ends my OT impulse. 😎 Wait. Brady Quinn is fop. NOW, I'm done.

[narcisoyea]

What other reporter besides Sarah carter is covering this story, crickets.

[Stephanie Nene Not your normal Grandma]

Sorry to hear that Narc. I find that the casinos in Biloxi are fairly ambivalent towards the players, but Island View is the 'locals' casino and usually is very friendly to out of town visitors. I got another email today with more goodies for this weekend. Another $150 in slot play. Holee molee I better come back with some scratch!

Finally got a chance tonight to switch my summer clothes in the closet with my fall/winter clothes... just about in time to do it again. :( Good news is I can quit pulling winter stuff to wear out of the cubbies I keep them stored in.

I. Have. Too. Many. Clothes. Particularly since my work attire is a tee shirt/sweatshirt and shorts/pj bottoms. Time to donate the 'business' clothes.. and why the hell do I have 4 pairs of white jeans? I even found two of the same dress shirt. And over 50 t-shirts...Yikes!

[Dave (in MA)]

Addressed to me at another forum, sharing for entertainment purposes only. This was in response to a reply of my own, in which I pointed out that the Douchebag-In-Chief left the White House in January (it was in all the papers) in response to a diatribe against "The Douchebag-In-Chief in the White House", all of this taking place in a music forum that forbids politics.

It's OK for you to disagree with Obama's policies. I didn't agree with a large number of them. But he is a quality human being, and there is plenty of evidence for that. (Though you probably wouldn't see it on Fox News.) For you to call him the douchebag-in-chief, especially in comparison to the current stain on our Democracy, shows you to be a piece of shit, Dave. No, I didn't stutter. You are like your god. Self serving piece of fucking garbage who only cares about the rich. I'm going to put you on ignore so that I don't have to deal with you, but I don't wish you well. Eat shit and die.

[narcisoyea]

Yes their myopia would rival magoo:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/buzzfeed-fires-white-house-reporter-inappropriate-message-1070509

[lyle]

Make sure you put him on your Christmas card list for next year, Dave. He/she/it is a keeper/ swell.

[Dave (in MA)]

I just replied Have a nice day which he'll probably never see since he scrunched his pussy hat down tighter and put me on his ignore list.

[Another Bob]

It's a mass schizophrenia, Dave. There's a pathology behind that.

[Threadkiller]

Greg Jarrett needs to cut back on the makeup and hair dye. He's embarrassing aging divas and/or Tijuana whores.

[JimNorCal]

What an ignorant fellow that is, Dave!
Boorish manners, too.

Here's another.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/268841/sarsour-you-have-no-right-tell-us-we-cant-kill-daniel-greenfield
SARSOUR: YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL US WE CAN'T KILL JEWS

[Dave (in MA)]

Here is the thread, in case anyone's curious.

[Stephanie Nene Not your normal Grandma]

Crazy game on Arizona v Purdue...

Since I didn't get to post the annual bowl pool, How bout a nice quick pool for the Rose/Sugar bowls and a prediction for the Championship Game?

Put your predictions for UGA v OK and AL v Clemson and who will win the final game (and the winning differential: OK wins by 3). Winner will be whoever picks the correct results (1 point each bowl) and the diff between their winning differential and the final margin of victory iow you pick OK winning by 3 and they win by 5 you get two more points... if you pick the loser no points awarded for the loss or for the score differential...if you pick OK winning by 6 but they win by 1 then you get credit for 1/2 the differential or 2 1/2 points.

Anyone wanting to play just post:

OK v UGA:
AL v Clemson:

Championship Game:

If there are any takers, post your predictions and I'll vacuum them up and put them in a spreadsheet this weekend and post the results Monday night after the games.

You have until midnight Sunday to post...

Mine is:

OK wins by 6
AL wins by 4

AL wins by 14

[Threadkiller]

Progressive ears?

[Dave (in MA)]

Yes, a site devoted (mostly) to prog rock & other unorthodox music.

[JimNorCal]

daddy, for a couple weeks I've been meaning to ask for a history book recco or two for the new year.
Could be a Great Man or the common folk. Could be America or elsewhere. Could be modern or ancient. The thing I care about is a portrayal of human nature. The nature of we humans, the good, bad and indifferent. Not necessarily uplifting, not necessarily depressing, just open eyed and honest.
Does anything pop to top of mind?

[Threadkiller]

Unorthodox? Have they seen this?

https://youtu.be/XAg5KjnAhuU

[vince]

How is it possible that the author of the dossier has not yet been compelled to identify his or her sources?

It amazes me that people have been able to hide the provenance of the dossier's funding and data.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I would think prog rock would have been your first clue.

[Threadkiller]

People hid the provenance of Obama's identification documentation. This is nothing new. Unless you are an afterbirther..

[Captain Hate]

And it's a mystery why RichRod is still employed.

AZ is a basketball school.

[Dave (in MA)]

Brilliant, TK. Is that a bong partly visible on the left side of the screen? It's not a shampoo bottle.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--It's a mass schizophrenia, Dave.--

My son has a pretty severe case of schizophrenia and he would never come up with anything quite so fanciful, irrational or divorced from reality and not even remotely so crude and rude.

Progs: making the psychotic look sane for...well, ever.

[JimNorCal]

Dave, if I follow correctly, you're not alone and this is far from a first offense?

Heh.
"This is the first post back from A.Scherze since he was put on temp-ban by the mods a month ago. I believe this thread was his F-U and expects to be banned permanently."
"Now that would really be a shame. A terrible shame."
"Don't let the door hit him on the ass on the way out."

Dang, we could have that convo here most days except no one gets banned from JOM, generally speaking, even du-tard.

[Captain Hate]

Hey Dave, if you didn't refer to the Halfrican as Cock Curious before that shitstain put you on ignore, you fucked up badly.

[Gentlejim]

Dave,
He has obviously not been paying attention. The closing should have been eat shit and die in a fire. :)

[narcisoyea]

And now for something completely different:

https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/27/nasa-in-early-planning-for-2069-alpha-centauri-mission/

[Threadkiller]

Clearly it is a basement, Dave. In the end there can only be bong.

[Captain Hate]

How is it possible that the author of the dossier has not yet been compelled to identify his or her sources?

The Uniparty house of cards would come tumbling down.

[Dave (in MA)]

CH, I completely pull any punches over there and even then only mention anything remotely political when they start it. The guy who started the thread with anti-Trump stuff is a longtime hater of the late guitarist Allan Holdsworth, and I've had 'Net interactions with him that pre-date the World Wide Web. That's why I kept posting the largest Holdsworth pictures that I could find.

[Dave (in MA)]

vince, all in due time. :)

[narcisoyea]

Her I was wondering who that was.

Probably holdworth had way too much talent for his comprehension.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

That's great stuff Tk, but I'm not sure he beats the the greatest drummer alive.

[Threadkiller]

To see more on the funding of the Obama Dossier, Google "Percy Sutton" and "Khalid al-Mansour."

[Dave (in MA)]

Ig, I don't know if it says more about me or you, but I knew what that link was before I clicked.

[Captain Hate]

How can you hate Alan Holdsworth? He wasn't my favorite guitarist by a long shot but hating him just doesn't compute.

[Captain Hate]

Nytol

[narcisoyea]

His obviously not a balanced individual to so that,

[Threadkiller]

Ig, that is crazy.

https://youtu.be/mW0B1sipLBI

[JimNorCal]

narciso has probably followed all this but most have not.
http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2017/12/spy-corruption-began-with-w.html

[Threadkiller]

Not this crazy, though..

https://youtu.be/3vUReRiCI2A

[Dave (in MA)]

I think "Obama Dossier" would be a good name for the Fusion GPS piece of fan fiction.

[Threadkiller]

ConFusion GPS for Composites

[daddy]

JimNorCal,

In the last few years here are some that really stood out for me as exceptional.

---Walter Isaacson's "Benjamin Franklin: An American Life."

---The Personal Memoirs of Ulysses S. Grant.

---David Hackett Fischer's "Washington's Crossing."

---J. C. Beaglehole's "The Life of Captain James Cook" (huge, but brilliant.)

---And as a NorCal guy I don't think you can go wrong in reading Richard Henry Dana's classic autobiography from 1840, "Two Years Before The Mast." I should read this last once again to see if it effects me like it did whenever I first plowed through it, but boy did I enjoy it, since I knew his port calls well.

Please chip in other folks.

[narcisoyea]

Yes there is something to that, it seems whenever there is a useful tool it is too easy for some to abuse it, that is also the premise of every marvel film.

[Dave (in MA)]

Greg Jarrett looks like a Campbell's Soup Kid 55 years later.

[JimNorCal]

Just think how fab that drummer would be if he wasn't hampered by the yellow slicker he's wearing.

[JimNorCal]

Thanks, daddy!

[Threadkiller]

Trust the Gorton's Drummerman

[Threadkiller]

About that greatest drummer alive claim:

https://youtu.be/-6w_3P_l5FA

Nytol

[daddy]

I just hope that when we do bomb the Nork's we spare their hot female rock guitar players: The Moranbong Band-Music of North Korea (scroll to 2:30 for hot licks!)

[Stephanie Nene Not your normal Grandma]

For the musicians in the crowd...

One of my friends from HS who is a writer for Arts Atlanta was at The Meeting of the Spirits Tour Show last night that included these friends of hers..

Jeff Sipe
Barry Richman
Jimmy Herring
John McLaughlin

Anyone know who they are? I don't really follow musicians, but thought some of her pics on FB were kinda cool.

[Threadkiller]

Please see South Korea's offering at 1:32am, daddy.

[daddy]

John McLaughlin is an amazing guitarist of astonishing speed and also capable of blowing your eardrums clean out of your head. If you're going to see him Stephanie I'd definitely wear earplugs. Used to be with The Mahavishnu Orchestra, and was wrapped up into worshipping some Indian Guru and convinced Carlos Santana to become a disciple for a while also, so they cut a few albums together. I saw him in college about 1975. Sometimes I think McLaughlin's speed can be self defeating as his speed overwhelms the music. I don't know if he's still in that cult scene nor what he's done the last 20 years, but I did enjoy some of his soft acoustic numbers. Here's a short and sweet acoustic example from 1970 of "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat."

[Dave (in MA)]

Jeff Sipe is a drummer who also goes by "Apt. Q-258", and has played with Jonas Hellborg and a bunch of jam band people mostly in Atlanta & Greenville IIRC. John McLaughlin (not the WRONG! Morton Kondracke guy) is one of the most famous jazz guitarists still living. Jimmy Herring is another leading guitar player on the jam band scene, most recently touring with John McLaughlin.

[daddy]

TK,

If that Drummer's playing on the strip in Itaewon in about 4 nights I may be able to catch her act:) I'll keep my eyes peeled.

Dave,

Did you ever catch Mahavishnu up close during "Inner Mounting Flame" days? Man did he crank it up to "11."

[Dave (in MA)]

That was just before I was old enough to see cocerts, daddy.

[daddy]

Just received this notice:

...the DOT will change the drug testing panel to add four additional medications to the current fived panel drug test.

Oxycodone (OxyContin, Percocet)
Oxymorphone (Opana, Numorphan)
Hydrocodone (Vicodin, Lortab, Lorcet, Norco, Zohydro)
Hydromorphone (Dilaudid, Exalgo)

Beginning January 1, 2018, all drug testing at [redacted] – federal and non-federal - will include these four synthetic opioid drugs in addition to marijuana, cocaine, phencyclidine (PCP), amphetamines (amphetamines, methamphetamines, MDA, MDMA [ecstasy]) and opiates (codeine, morphine, and heroin).

Why the change?

In short, the addition of these four "synthetic" opioid drugs is in response to the nationwide epidemic of prescription painkiller abuse...

Looks like industry-wide our urine tests will be a bit more in depth than previous.

[jimmyk on iPhone]

daddy, no rec for "The Great Upheaval"? I'm have way through it and it. enjoying. Daughter got me Chernow's new bio of Grant. I read "Hamilton" years ago before it was a big hit and liked it a lot.

[daddy in Oz]

JimmyK,

It was great but I thought jim was asking more for focus on a single individual. At the Bookstore I saw Chernow's huge new bio of US Grant. By chance have you ever met him, since i know you enjoyed his Hamilton book? We are just about to do the 10 hour leg to Guangzhou, so I should finish the WW2 book in flight and inwinder what ill pick out if the bookbag next.

[anonamom]

President of AHA's daughter keeps her dad alive after MI:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/american-heart-association-president-credits-cpr-saving-life/story?id=51990315

Every middle schooler should learn how to do CPR. I learned it as an eight year old, when my daddy the Personnel Director at the utility company brought home the reel-to-reel projector and ResusaAnnie and gave the neighbor hood kids an evening to remember.

There's some 28 year old walking around who we saved on a lacrosse field ten years ago this spring after a hit to his chest threw him in to a non-perfusing rhythm with basic CPR til they got the defibrillator his school fortunately had in the AD's office out to us on the field.
Went to his prom the following Saturday; then to Chapel Hill in the fall.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5217301/Putin-calls-St-Petersburg-blast-act-terror.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

anonamom,

I agree. I learned CPR years ago when I was doing substitute teaching and took a free first aid class. I have always been glad I did.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/28/roy-moore-challenges-alabama-senate-election-defeat-alleges-rampant-voter-fraud.html