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January 28, 2018

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Porchlight

Was it Sara Carter who said that the real story is not what they did to Trump and associates, but what they were attempting to cover up?

Momto2

Pretty funny! Sorry, it's fuzzy - it says, "Trump is not your President. Check here if you wish to pay taxes at Obama administration rates."

Thomas Collins

Naïve of those who think this was good faith, Dave (in MA). However, there will be enough naivetes, and enough who are simply using the good faith argument as a talking point, that the tipping point needed to indict swampers won't happen.

But swampers deciding to spend more time with their families would still be a good result.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/958074565544079360

Extraneus

That's a short summary of how I see it.

I won't debate you, TC, because you're probably right, but if none of these people face prosecution and punishment, how can the genie be put back into the bottle?

I think it would be very bad if they get away with what they tried to do. In other countries, after a failed coup like this, they'd all be killed or placed in irons.

Clarice Feldman

A former agent says if McCabe is subpoenaed by Congress during his "vacation time" and refuses to cooperate he can be fired and lose his pension. I think that's true.

Neo

If you want to "flip" McCabe, threaten to take away his clearance. In DC, you live and die by your clearance.

Thomas Collins

Loss of a nice swamp position and seeing Trump finish out two terms would still be significant punishment, Extraneus.

Momto2

TC: Whatever overzealousness there might have been, the actors were acting in the good faith belief that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians.

Over charitable? Naive?

Dave - I thought Comey told us that the key word is now intent!

If they didn't intend to do it - it's all good.

Dave (in MA)

Didn't save the link, but someone on the Twitter was reporting that McCabe threw a hissy fit when his resignation was requested.

Cyuh

" the actors were acting in the good faith belief that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians. "

That's funny because Lover Boy Strzok texted lover girl lisa just prior to his assignment to mueller witch hunt: ""you and I both know the odds are nothing. If I thought it was likely, I’d be there no question. I hesitate in part because of my gut sense and concern there’s no big there there." "

Plus a FISA app based on a phony dossier seems like bad faith.

DebinGA

Dems like Cory Booker will bring Dreamers to SOTU. Are there no African "Dreamers"? Hard to believe many blacks don't feel marginalized and resentful of the Dreamer hoopla.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Thomas Collins, why were the polls wrong about who would win the election but are now right about his popularity?

Don't you think the polls are questionable? I do.

I do not know one single person, in person or on line, who regrets his/her vote. Not one.

Not only that, but they support him wholeheartedly.

On the other hand, we have read several people, including Dennis Prager, who said they were surprised by how good his first year has been and how wrong they were.

My daughter is even beginning to thaw a little.

So, as far as I am concerned, he is just as popular now as he was on election day, if not more so.

Momto2

It's 5 o'clock in D.C.

Buckeye

Getting on a plane to KC. Already working on Zicam lozenges.

Thomas Collins

MM, the polls weren't that off. The Real Clear Politics average at the end was closer than in the Romney-Obama campaign, and was well within the usual norm for POTUS elections. As far as the overall results went, Clinton, despite being a weak candidate and, even according to the FBI, grossly negligent in handling classified materials, won 48 percent of the popular vote, and came very close in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. I think the election results support my argument. Swampers almost carried The Hill over the finish line.

RattlerGator

That's a short summary of how I see it.

Posted by: Thomas Collins | January 29, 2018 at 04:34 PM

TC, the polls don't mean a damn thing. They've been obviously co-opted by the establishment that fought Trump and pimped for Hillary.

Multiple high-level Obama Admin officials will be indicted, convicted, and go to prison. Including Hillary.

The only thing you have to remember that tends to prove this contention is this fact: Donald Trump is President.

Additionally, remember this: Clinton, Inc. and Obama, Inc. set up a process designed to guarantee the imprisonment of Donald Trump, ruin his business *and* his family.

He's not going to have any mercy on them. Would you ???

Buckeye

McCabe news has put a smile on my face.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Max Kutner
‏Verified account @maxkutner
14m14 minutes ago

JUST IN: FBI confirms earlier speculation, that David Bowdich is now acting FBI deputy director
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I believe this is the guy Catherine Herridge described as a nice man and a straight shoote. And he's from the Los Angeles office, I believe, so no McCabe contacts.

Thomas Collins

It was a very close election, RG. The electoral college, as it usually does, made the election seem less close than it was. In any event, we are not talking about whether Trump at 45% should be Trump at 51%. We are talking about whether a US Attorney would bring indictments against the likes of Lynch, Clinton, Obama, Strzok, Page, McCabe, Comey, and other swampers. The polls would need to be way way off for the political climate to be such that those types of indictments would happen.

Threadkiller

Unless Trump is going to lower the boom on all the Republicans that allowed an illegal alien to sit in the Oval Office for 8 years, there will be nothing more than glorified wrist slaps for all involved in this latest attack on our republic.

These assholes have plenty more chips to throw on the table during the bluffing phase of the negotiations.

jimmyk

TC, the polls still led people, even supposedly sophisticated ones like Nate Bronze, to give Hillary a high chance of winning the electoral college. Meaning that the battleground state polls were consistently wrong.

Polling something pretty objective such as "Who are you going to vote for?" is going to be more accurate than polls about "feelings" (approval), or policy questions, which depend a lot on framing.

Extraneus

TK, I find your posts on the subject to be indicative of your tenacious personality, and I always skipped your debates with DoT, but back in the day were you calling Obama an "illegal alien" or is that new?

Threadkiller

Not new, Ext. I wouldn't say that so much while debating him unless he decided hyperbole was important.

RattlerGator

[1] You're wrong about the polls, TC. They were way off, and pulled their usual trick at the end. They made the numbers much closer after having Hillary up by 10% at times. I mean, why the heck do you think Democrats were stunned that Hillary lost ???

[2] I don't get the sense y'all quite comprehend what is happening here *and* many of y'all are incredibly content to remind everyone what has happened in the past.

None of that shiznit is applicable. Or haven't you been paying attention to this revolutionary President ???

@Imperator_Rex3 detailed earlier today some of the crimes of the Hillary Clinton / Barack Obama machine that are unquestionably in play.

1.
U.S. Code § 798 – Disclosure of classified information
U.S. Code § 1031 — Major fraud against the United States
U.S. Code § 371 – Conspiracy to commit a federal offense
U.S. Code § 1924 – Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

2.
U.S. Code § 2071(b) — Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
U.S. Code § 1346 — Definition of “scheme or artifice to defraud”
U.S. Code § 641 – Public money, property or records
U.S. Code § 1343 – Fraud by wire, radio or television

3.
U.S. Code § 1505 – Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees
U.S. Code § 1519 — Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in federal investigations
18 U.S. Code § 793 — Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

4.
U.S. Code § 1001 - Making False Statements
US Code § 1505 - Obstruction
US Code § 2384 - Seditious Conspiracy

Fines will not be the primary penalty.

Prison.

Thomas Collins

Silver had candidate Trump at a 29% chance of winning at the end, jimmyk. I would say a 3 in 10 chance, coupled with the closeness of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan, indicate that the polls were not that far off. But once again, my argument about the polls is not that they are precise in measuring Trump's popularity. My argument is that the polls indicate that there will be no rush to demand indictments on the part of the general public.

Threadkiller

What is the US Code on using a fraudulent document as identification?

Not much will happen. Plus, as long as the economy is booming it will be seen as reckless for the party in power to consume time and treasure on what will be portrayed as vendettas instead of justice.

DebinGA

NBC News taking making stuff up to Olympic levels.

Extraneus

Why does the public need to demand indictments? Only Sessions needs to do so, and if he does, they'll happen.

danoso

NEW

Thomas Collins

That's simply not the case, RG. The RCP final average was Clinton plus 3.2. The final result in the popular vote was Clinton plus 2.1. The polls were off in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan, but keep in mind the state polling wasn't as rigorous as the national polling. Overall, the polls understated Trump's popularity by less than the polls understated Obama's popularity in 2012. An analysis of the election polls would suggest that at most, Ras tracking is understating Trump's popularity by 3 or 4 points, and even that may be a stretch. That's hardly a popular wave of indignation against the swamp.

Extraneus

Can a tranny compete?

Trump Released His Full List Of State Of The Union Guests — Folks Are Cheering One Name In Particular

When the president released his list of guests there were many honorable names on it. However, one stood out and has been talked about more than most on social media.

Marine Matthew Bradford is an American Hero. He joined the Marine Corps in 2006 and was deployed to Iraq. While deployed, he stepped on an IED and was blinded and crippled by the blast. Matthew did not let the injury deter his service. After rehab and surgeries, Matthew re-enlisted, becoming “the first blind, double amputee to do so,” according to the White House.

Threadkiller

Do you think Fast and Furious would have been exposed if the public wasn't demanding answers?

It then went to a feckless set of Republican lawmakers that did diddly squat.

Unless the slam dunk of all slam dunks was set up perfectly for Sessions, I don't see him doing anything meaningful.

Kevlar Kid

Thomas----> I concur with much of what you stated. My concurrence comes from my skeptical side about government's propensity to underwhelm with overpromising and under delivery. Government disappoints.

The last coup (the killing of John F. Kennedy) went unpunished. A consummate insider was put into office and smothered any credible investigatory interests while launching the current Leviathan via Great Society legislation and a defense buildup which hasn't retreated since.

However, this is Donald Trump we are talking about facing down another coup d' etat. The popular meme is that this is some kind of partisan resistance movement, when in fact it is a coup attempt that seems to be in the midst of a failing first wave.

Should POTUS lose his nerve and not decapitate the coup, it will allow the coup to revive itself and reinstitute its tentacles, only deeper and more covertly.

Calling this the "resistance" is in error IMHO. It has suggested it is willing to go over the top into full frontal violence mode with the ANTIFA movement, BLM, and the attack on Congressmen and Senators. The coup leaders remind me of the old west gunfighters/bandits who come to town and tap their fingers on the butts of their six shooters to suggest they will rock and roll at the drop of a hat.

This is a coup attempt. My hope is that POTUS will listen to his generals and admirals about what is really happening. And so far he appears to be listening because they've caused the first frontal assault on the Presidency to crumble.

There is not only the prosecutorial campaign that POTUS could initiate before statutes of limitation run out. There is the "turn the rats" campaign yet to be initiated. The first rats to turn on the higher ups get the deals. That would expedite the discovery process and save a lot of time wandering in the swamp looking for bodies.

Seth Rich and the Awan Bros would be two key entry points into snagging some top players quickly. Those are verifiable felonies that the American people can understand. Then tie those crimes to the coup and keep building momentum for rooting out the rest of the players.

Then there is the institutional reforms that could take the wind out of the Democratic party's domination of the narrative as they work it through the judiciary. Dissolve congressionally created courts and replace it with something better. That is a second term endeavor. So moving against the coup in the first term is essential to set that up.

There is the 14th Amendment eradication of the flawed interpretation that has given us the anchor baby problem and the chain migration nonsense. There is Teddy Kennedy's immigration act that needs to be repealed in order to give us a "living immigration policy" (turn the cannons around).

These suggestions take away the fuel of the coup d etat lite that refers to itself as "the Resistance." They are really the Insistance Movement to reinforce bad laws and misinterpret good laws (like the 14th Amendment).

Pincer movements always have a purpose in case one campaign stalls for whatever reason.

I belive in one thing for sure: POTUS understand the Art of the Deal *AND* the Art of War. That makes him the master of the carrot and the stick. The carrot is less effective against the Clappers, Comeys, and Jarrets. They deserve and will get the stick.

If POTUS is smart, and he is, he will offer amnesty for the Resistance lite who realize the error of their ways and are allowed to stay out of prison----> for a price: information about the folks who are higher on the food chain.

Thanks for writing, TC.

Kev

Thomas Collins

TK at 5:32 PM makes an additional point about the likelihood that the swamp avoids indictments. Trump himself will view indictments as a distraction. The evidence being accumulated against the swamp will be useful to Trump in chilling the swamp's ardor to continue coup attempts. That, plus loss of jobs, is the most to be realistically hoped for.

henry

Just look at NR's McCarthy. He wouldn't indict a ham sandwich if it went to the right schools and was a fellow swamp dweller. No indictments even if the polls turn around and millions of pike bearing taxpayers show up at Sessions' pillow. It isn't who they are.

Thomas Collins

I think you made the best argument for indictments, Kevlar Kid. Trump might decide that indictments are the only way to head off the coup. Threats won't have a chilling effect unless swamp perps end up in the courthouse. That's not how I think it will play out, but I concede it's a possibility.

daddy

Looks like it's "Kick Rod Rosenstein Day."

It's by Andy McCarthy. Haven't read it yet but posting it to beat the rush: Rod Rosenstein Is Shirking His Duty to Supervise Robert Mueller

daddy

Just read the McCarthy piece---And here I thought I was verbose.

daddy

NEW THREAD!!!

Captain Hate

Hard to believe many blacks don't feel marginalized and resentful of the Dreamer hoopla.

Who says they don't? The MFM? Dickholes like Booker are playing a strategy that could very well leave them permanently on the outside looking in.

Captain Hate

Trump himself will view indictments as a distraction.

I've believed this all along.

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