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February 11, 2018


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What was madame maos name again, then there is the late villa espin who before marrying Raul Castro, vouched for Fidel's credentials to the company. This is the narrative that lyman Kirkpatrick expounded on, and was the epilogue of a recent novel by frank olsens nephew



That link came up elsewhere re a thought exercise, a poster suggested.


keying off the last thread, there is a reason why more lefties don't support russia today, it is a different type of regime, akin to the authoritarian regimes in latin America, that Chomsky made deep allusions in the 80s, when he suggested the brazilianization of the U.S..

It is openly sectarian in ways that would put the aclu in a greater rage, it stands
More often for flag church and family, (The conniption about gay marriage pre sochi) it supports more traditionally minded regimes like orbans Hungary and Poland, then being adverse to same.

Another Bob

(From the last thread...)

Joan, and it was KVH's hubby who wrote it.

Though Clarice has a point that the com-symps may be more interested in defending Russia.


Tsk tsk tsk, If only Imelda Marcos had ordered people's murders CNN would have loved her, even with all the shoes.


Sebestyens bio of Lenin, that I haven't been able to get a hold of and China mievilles October, recent review of the period seem s little more concerned with the present day, regime which doesn't meet with their expectation.

The latter does examine the kornilov move, which reed mischaracterized as a coup in seven days, most reputable scholars like Richard pipes see it as a blunder on kerensly part.


Back in the 80s the Graham post was playing the same game:



Regarding Angelina in Paris, bottled drinking chocolate is available for purchase and can be reheated in a double boiler.

mike in houston

this kinda renews my faith in American youth

Kentucky All State Choir - National Anthem - 2018

Every night of the All State Choir conference at about 11pm, everyone comes out to the balconies of the 18 story Hyatt hotel to sing the National Anthem © 2018 Ben Vivona


jim nj


Never had an overwhelming feeling of sorrow visiting a place I've never been to before.

Doing genealogy, it helps if you can also do local searches. I've had several "deja vu" or "clairvoyant" moments doing so.

I remember searching one old cemetery for a headstone I knew it had to be there. Couldn't find it. Spent more than an hour trying. Finally gave up, standing there, in a contemplative moood, when all of a sudden I was drawn to glance across the street. Smack dab in the center of my vision was the gravestone I was looking for in the newer section of the cemetery.

Things like that have happened often enough that I think we can sometimes tap into something, but I don't know what to call it.


Thanks, Jim.

I just revisited those lines of De Lorelei quoted earlier.

"I know not if there is a reason
Why I am so sad at heart.
A legend of bygone ages
Haunts me and will not depart."

Remembering them today is a mystery unto itself. The original German is what came to mind first as I was recollecting the experience, a relic from first year high school German. Strange how those memories arise when I sometimes can't remember what I had for breakfast.

But all that aside, the sentiments in those first few lines capture profoundly the sorrow experienced that day in Arizona. Other experiences in other places have been more of an intense forboding, as if it was a warning to me that that place was not for me, and that it was best to get the hell out of there. My dog sensed it too.

In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a retired engineer, MSCE, licensed at one time in CA and OR.

You say, "...I think we can sometimes tap into something, but I don't know what to call it." I appreciate hearing that. I'm hoping Kev might shed some light on that mystery.

Don't you ever sleep?


I just finished JimNorCal's link to Kate Millett article. All news to me. As someone who was deeply moved by feminism in the 60's and 70's I cut the cord after seeing feminists take a knee to Slick Willy. Anyway, lots to think about. I wanted to pull the link forward.



Here's another link from a few weeks ago that I also found very enlightening regarding Leftist's hatred of masculinity.



Another link coloring outside the lines. Is there a way to fix that? I'm clearly in over my head when I stray from plain ASCII text.


Off to work and will check back in the afternoon. I work at home right now so the commute is very pleasant. I set up office in my sun room; my first office with real windows in 40 years of EE'ing.

jim nj


I like watching late night movies, so I tend to wake up in the afternoon. And it takes hours to catch up on JOM. That's why I tend to post late.

Engineer, huh. Grounded in facts and logic. I'm not an engineer, but I've learned to deal with facts and logic.

People, if they are open to it, sometimes just "sense" things.

I mean it's the basis of most mystery novels, most thriller novels, the hero deals in facts and logic, yet is able to make an "intuitive leap."

In my late teens and early twenties I explored the idea of a "Comic Consciousness". That thought doesn't cease with the body. It's a really weird concept, but it might explain how some people seem to transcend ordinary thought processes and tap into a higher understanding.

The only other thing I can think of is that the reptilian part of our brain, whatever it's really called, processes information that we are not conscience of.

Having a "street sense", even in primitives, with a sense of "intuition" would be a definite survival skill that might have been passed along.

jim nj


I have to bring the hot spot back to the library today, so I'll be missing for a while.

James D.

From the Kate Millet ariicle, I think this sums it all up:

Most everyone on the left is atheistic, depressed, dark and miserable, and they want us all to be miserable.

Can't argue with any of that.


hoyden, thanks for the repost. I can't argue with what Kate's sister wrote.I am happy I didn't have time in my undergradaute schedule to take Women's Studies classes.

Our paths were virtually identical. I got "woke"at a rather late age to the lies of the Leftists by Bill's behavior, but it was HRC's enabling that was like being drenched in ice water.


James D did pick out the take home sentence that long interview.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Good morning, all!

Daniel Greenfield article:


Miss Marple the Deplorable


This is about the wildlife pictured in the rock art, and how the area was more green than today.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

PRESIDENT TRUMP'S SCHEDULE For Monday, February 12, 2018

- Hosts a meeting with State and local officials about his infrastructure initiative. - Receives his intelligence briefing.
- Has lunch with Vice President Mike Pence and Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Janet 🚬 -  I wish my family had a poncho

Another link coloring outside the lines. Is there a way to fix that? I'm clearly in over my head when I stray from plain ASCII text.

It doesn't matter if the link goes "outside the lines", they still work.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


This is despite them being in the minority.

Miss Marple the Deplorable



https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-housing-rights-movement-has-the-real-estate-industry-running-scared/ is a fascinating glimpse into just how oblivious many on the left are to what created the housing they want in the first place.

That link was in one of my morning feeds.


From the article linked above--

"We have to build a base of tenants, a movement,” says Anthony Romano of Homes for All. “And no movement is going to be strong unless it is rooted in democratic, participatory tenant unions.”

If a horizontal and participatory movement truly emerges all across this country, tenant organizers believe the possibilities are boundless.

“What we are trying to do is change the structure of ownership, not just the fees imposed on people,” says Helen Matthews of City Life in Boston. “The more that we can prevent speculation in the housing market, then the easier it will be for us to help nonprofit and community organizations take property off the private market and put it in community hands.”

She sees a future where community land trusts and non-profits and limited equity co-ops own a city’s housing supply. It’s a future where the capitalist class no longer controls the living conditions of Socrates Guzman, Cynthia Berger, Araceli Barrera and millions of their fellow Americans. "

James D.

MM @ 7:04

What I want to know is, why do we have to pay for Congressipnal auto leases at all? They get paid $174K a year plus lavish benefits, paid travel and a taxpayer paid lifetime gold plated pension. Why the eff can’t they pay for their own damn cars at least?

Miss Marple the Deplorable


All of these "movements" basically say "Give me your stuff for free."

Who is responsible for the maintenance? What happens when a tenant is running a drug operation or bordello out of his home? Who will pay the property taxes?

I could go on, but you can see the problem as well as I can.

James D.

rse, that’s what the current Mayor of NYC wants, too.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

James D.,

That thought occurred to me after I posted the link.

Are they still getting free ice delivered every day?

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Hired to fight corruption, the new commissioner is instituting random polygraph tests among other measures.

Odd that this story shows up in a Brit paper.


I was at a prog day speakfest at the carter center a couple of years ago and the recurring thought I kept having listening to the speakers was their belief that the things they want to equalize can actually vanish once there's no money in creating a product.

Another Bob

Why of course rse.

They want to control the living conditions of the sob stories mentioned, not let those damn dirty capitalists do it. (The idea that the sob stories ought to share some responsibility for that apparently never occurs.)

Problem is the sob story people have been brainwashed into thinking that would be an improvement for them.

Ever seen the housing outside current and former communist bloc cities?

Another Bob

MM, because they'd be nonprofits, the properties would be tax-exempt.

I keep wondering the organizers of such clusterf***s are malevolent or just that stupid.

Another Bob

These yoyos act as if this hasn't been tried and demonstrated to be an utter failure. Look at nearly every government housing project, you dopes.


She sees a future where community land trusts and non-profits and limited equity co-ops own a city’s housing supply. It’s a future where the capitalist class no longer controls the living conditions of Socrates Guzman, Cynthia Berger, Araceli Barrera and millions of their fellow Americans

Because we all know a faceless gummint or NGO bureaucracy can do a better job. Just like they did with "the projects".

James D.

AB @ 7:45

They’re both.


What I want to know is, why do we have to pay for Congressipnal auto leases at all? They get paid $174K a year plus lavish benefits, paid travel and a taxpayer paid lifetime gold plated pension. Why the eff can’t they pay for their own damn cars at least?

So they don't have to divert the graft $$$$$ from hookers and blow.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
2m2 minutes ago

Thank you to Sue Kruczek, who lost her wonderful and talented son Nick to the Opioid scourge, for your kind words while on @foxandfriends. We are fighting this terrible epidemic hard - Nick will not have died in vain!

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
9m9 minutes ago

This will be a big week for Infrastructure. After so stupidly spending $7 trillion in the Middle East, it is now time to start investing in OUR Country!

Miss Marple the Deplorable



Good Morning!

Since we go to work in a few hours I got up early today, stopped for a quick double espresso to wake up, and hit another Antiquary Book Shop in search of that Dutch explorer Nicolaes Witsen's 1692 travelogue. No luck, but since recent comments in JOM threads has made mention of Shamen's, I thought this illustration apparently by Witten of a Siberian Shaman might be of interest. From Wiki:

Caption: The earliest known depiction of a Siberian shaman, produced by the Dutch explorer Nicolaes Witsen, who authored an account of his travels among Samoyedic- and Tungusic-speaking peoples in 1692. Witsen labelled the illustration as a "Priest of the Devil" and gave this figure clawed feet to highlight his demonic qualities.[13]

Cool! Then I hit a Chocolate Shoppe just across from Christ's College (Darwin's School) and stepped inside the College's ancient doorway
and saw a number of signs posted reading "Happy Birthday Charles Darwin." Hadn't thought about it, but it being February 12th it's Darwin's Birthday over here, so it must be Abe Lincoln's Birthday over there.

This day being celebrated at the College, the signs had arrows pointing the way for lucky visitors to tour the College's wonderful Library which I had never seen before. The collection started in 1505, and there were thousands of neat old volumes you could stroll past. To get to the Library you had to walk into the door leading to Chuck's dorm rooms and you walked past the skinny old stairway where he famously threw the bug collector guy out since the guy was secretly selling better samples to Chuck's bug collecting rival:) There was some Darwin memorabilia laid out on some large display tables in the Library and a curator was at hand to explain it all---man, did he have lousy handwriting. An unexpectedly fun morning.

Clarice Feldman

Love your travelogues, daddy. what a doorway!


Native Siberian housing late 17th century look like Native American housing from same era.


Thank's, Clarice.

Here's the full imposing entrance to his college, looking like an entrance to a castle, but them you step inside and it opens up into these gorgeous cloisters around beautifully landscaped lawns that nobody's allowed to walk on. This is looking back at the front gate.

Off to work. Bye!

Captain Hate

I just finished JimNorCal's link to Kate Millett article. All news to me. As someone who was deeply moved by feminism in the 60's and 70's I cut the cord after seeing feminists take a knee to Slick Willy. Anyway, lots to think about. I wanted to pull the link forward.

I read that last night and marveled at how seriously mentally ill that feminist icon was. Pretty much explains why that movement went so far off the rails.

Speaking of off the rails, our Repuke betters' new improved wowie zowie budget has completely funded Planned Genocide according to The Horde. Anybody feeling sold out?


MM: 7:05 AM. This part stands out:

"...Additionally, the House restricted the type of cars available for lease to certain low-emissions vehicles approved by the Environmental Protection Agency in 2007..."

Mind you, the Dems were in charge.


daddy-thought you would appreciate learning about the role of margaret beaufort and the founding of what would become cambridge. https://www.cam.ac.uk/news/lady-margarets-500-year-legacy

It is through her that the tudors were tied to the plantagenets through edward III's 3rd son--john of gaunt, even before henry vii married edward iv's daughter, who was also the sister of the lost princes of tower fame.



She is regarded as laying the foundation for christs college where darwin went. When I saw the date that library began, I guessed it was tied to her.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


We will be at Shapiro's at 12:30 on the 14th!

What a great description of your Darwin's Day activities! Loved the pictures!

Miss Marple the Deplorable

I see that at 10AM the Obama White House portraits will be unveiled.

Just thought you guys would want to know so you could plan your C-SPAN viewing accordingly.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--“The more that we can prevent speculation in the housing market, then the easier it will be for us to help nonprofit and community organizations take property off the private market and put it in community hands.”--

So progs want to eliminate private property and enterprise and they want to import millions of foreigners not because the economy needs them but to create a one party state of progs hostile to private property.
At least CNN is honest about preferring NK to the USA.


Um, where’s my tin foil hat ...

Do you suppose the Awan case is being slow walked in the courts and media because Awan was working both for Brennan at the CIA and for Pakistan?


This link is for Extraneous:


(Stop reading at Republicans vs Conservatism. That will get you upset.)


Principles, Schminciples - Lynch Mobs Are Cool If They Derail Trump - Kurt Schlichter

The last couple months of success for Donald Trump’s administration have the liberals and their Fredocon buddies in a panic. It’s blocking their return to power. General John Kelly came into the White House as Chief of Staff and provided the much needed discipline that helped translate the President’s vision into the most conservative run of achievements since Ronald Reagan. And that has to be stopped.

Kelly has to go, and to do that they have to change the subject. So, why not lie about this Gold Star father and military hero and try to use his own honor as a weapon to get him to quit, or maybe bamboozle Trump into firing him?

Now, it was only moments ago when liberals were pretending to respect Gold Star fathers and military heroes. That was baloney, as is everything that drips out of their lying kale-holes. One might expect more of the Quisling Cons, but the real focus of these Conservative, Inc., saps is on getting back their pathetic sinecures in the Beltway milieu. They babble on, endlessly, about “principles,” but when you cut through their endless posturing, posing, and smarmy virtue signaling, their “principles” are disposable whenever disposing of them helps get them what they want.

This time their scam involves Rob Porter, who has been “credibly accused” of beating up his ex-wives. “Credibly accused” is apparently the new True Conservative™ standard since the principle of having to actually prove someone guilty of something in a neutral forum where all sides get to provide their evidence and arguments is no longer a thing.

Except it is a thing, and shame on you for going along with this cheap witch-huntery.

Yes, Porter's ex-wives accuse him of various abuses which, if true, would make him a terrible person and a criminal. They are serious charges. But Rob Porter denies them, completely, and without reservation. He has worked with many people for years who have never seen any indication of any of this activity; they have seen the opposite.

Captain Hate

Has this been linked previously?



Yes it has captain, on the previous thread I included an update on the whitefish last fAinting spell, the successor contractor has not made any more progress in two months rewiring the islamd.

jimmyk on iPhone

From last night: "What was madame maos name again"

Don't remember, but I still remember Madame Binh from the Paris peace talks (shudder). Ice water in the veins. The press liked her too.


I was pondering on Claudius and the trouble he had with certain senators


daddy On iPad

Cool rse. Thanks for the Lady Beaufort info. There were a few ancient likenesses of her hanging on the walls in the old Library, and in one sort of cubby hole of books just beneath a window was a plaster cast of her carved tomb in I think Westminster. She is lying down with her hands folded in prayer. Was a real treat to see that and now I know why their library collection started in 1505.


Lurkersusie,your comment prompts me to mention David Soreson,the other alleged wife beater who has resigned. This morning the Portland Press Herald had an interview with his ex-wife. She is in an "undisclosed" location and is "humiliated." If she has received peace of mind for telling her story,then good for her. Credible sources in Maine are standing by Sorenson. I read the story very early this morning and since then,the comments section has been closed.I have to mention the name of her dog,which for some reason I thought odd. Her dog's name is Frank Underwood. Strange name for a dog?
She told the FBI her story in October,is the another case of the FBI slow walking the info to the White House?
The ex-wife is engaged and hopes to have a summer wedding.


I included that tongue bath on mr and Mrs Ortega from a third of a decade ago. Omang did until recently write for bezos


Underwood was spaceys part in house of cards , a murderous but sensible policy Democrat

daddy On iPad

12:30 works great Miss Marple. And i'm asking for extra pickle slices this time:)


Yes narciso,we watched a couple of seasons.I really didn't like it for some reason,maybe Spacey's creepiness? Anyway,poor dog with a name like that. :)

N as Miss Marple

Ok daddy!

You will like teacher sister too!


MM,I read your comment about the Peter Rabbit movie. I guess the worst part of the movie is the allergy bullying.

Captain Hate

From last night: "What was madame maos name again"

Wasn't there more than 1 and wasn't one eliminated in one of their sporadic purges?

N as Miss Marple


My daughter had all of those books. She especially loved The Tale of Mrs. Tiggywinkle and still has a figurine I bought her as a stocking stuffer when the was 7.

I am outraged at Sony for making a trash movie out of those books. The beautiful animation shown in the stills misled me. When I saw the trailer, I just could have wept. Talk about using one's talents for evil rather than good, that is a perfect example!

(Stop reading at Republicans vs Conservatism. That will get you upset.)

Sorry, Appalled, I was only able to make it this far:

Polarization has made this worse — because on the left, moderation now seems like a surrender to white nationalism, and because on the right, white identity politics has overwhelmed moderate conservatism. And Trump plays a critical role. His crude, bigoted version of identity politics seems to require an equal and opposite reaction.

Obviously I meant a century ago,

I lost interest in season 3.

Captain Hate

This isn't too creepy:


N as Miss Marple

What crude bigoted identity politics are they talking about?

Michelle Obama is on my TV. I am going to clean the kitchen.


MM,we gave the grand-niece an illustrated book of the Tales of Peter Rabbit which included all the stories. I found a book with beautiful illustrations. I've noticed when reading Amazon reviews that some of the classic children's stories are poorly edited or have sub-standard illustrations. The reviews are helpful.

Old Lurker

Marlene, how's the daughter?

Janet 🚬 -  I wish my family had a poncho

from narciso's 9:47

"U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky, a pro-abortion Democrat from Illinois who was on the Select Panel and attempted to thwart the investigation, is one of the letter signers. The other letter signers also served on the panel; they are Jerrold Nadler of New York, Diana DeGette of Colorado, Jackie Speier of California, Bonnie Watson Coleman of New Jersey, and Suzan DelBene of Washington.

Here’s more from the report:

“Mr. Bell’s reported statements and actions call into question his conduct, judgment, and ability to meet professional standards of impartiality and fairness,” the Democrats wrote in a letter to Alex Azar, the Health and Human Services secretary."...

Jan Schakowsky is married to Robert Creamer, the 'hire people to incite violence at Trump rallies' thug.


I suppose the legislature will investigate the John Doe DA's crimes since no one else will.



The top 5 articles currently in the Daily Caller RSS feed:

  • Elizabeth Hurley Loses Her Bra In Shocking Photo
  • Kobe Bryant Says If He Were Still Playing, He’d Kneel For The Anthem
  • Baltimore Goes 10 Days Without A Homicide, And It’s Something To Celebrate
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2 politics, 3 T&A



I'm in Southwest FL believe. I have no idea how far that is from Tallahassie, but we will work it out.

Posted by: Jane | February 10, 2018 at 12:20 PM

Even better; I will likely be in South Florida within the next three or four weeks and am hoping to arrange a SW FL visit while down there. I have an old high school friend in Collier County.

* * *

Do you suppose the Awan case is being slow walked in the courts and media because Awan was working both for Brennan at the CIA and for Pakistan?

Posted by: sbw | February 12, 2018 at 09:20 AM




Sorry -- I'm not trying to expose you to "I hate Trump" stuff. It's just so in the atmosphere, I frankly don't always notice.

I was struck by how much Andy Sullivan's argument reflects your general sense of things on the #metoo front.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Well, I come back and now Obama is on talking. So I put the TV on mute.

Here is Michelle's portrait, courtesy of Mark Knoller of CBS Radio:


Personally, I don't think it even looks like her, and the lack of background and muted tones make it look odd.

I notice also that she had a black artist. Perhaps if they had chosen for skill, rather than race, the portrait would look better.


Honestly, I don't care what anyone who would write those two sentences thinks. I'd just as soon beat his ass than read further. Thanks anyway.


Crappy portraits for crappy people works for me.


The narrative is so engrained, he has to through out the semiotic chim.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

These are not the White House portraits. They are the ones for the National Portrait Gallery.

Clarice Feldman

FTA by VDH: The Trump catharsis has shown that about 10 percent of the Republican Party, the NeverTrumpers, was largely apolitical. That is, former cornerstone positions of deregulation and tax reform, oil and gas production, charter schools, deterrent foreign policy, restoring friendship with Israel and moving the embassy to Jerusalem were apparently always secondary to the more important criterion of offering a mild, sober and judicious frown to progressivism, through discerning losers like George H.W. Bush, John McCain, or Mitt Romney.

Such a Republican elite was so embedded within American establishment institutions as to be both immune from the economic stagnation of an Obama neo-socialist revolution (remember income inequality soared under Obama) and in no real need of a Reagan revolution or Trump’s often messy radical push-back against progressivism.

Its creed was not really, as advertised, the ethics of “losing nobly is better than winning ugly,” but rather the snobbery of “losing a cultural image is worse than winning a political agenda.” Put more bluntly, it is better to put up with a socialist with a “perfectly creased pant” than a prairie-fire conservative in rumpled Walmart slacks.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

The artist for Obama's portrait is the gentleman seated at the far left in this shot - the one wearing the extremely loud suit:


Captain Hate

Kobe Bryant Says If He Were Still Playing, He’d Kneel For The Anthem

The NBA became much better when the rapist left. The Lakers are still trying to dig out of the hole he created.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Here's the Obama portrait:


Seriously, why is his chair placed within bushes? It looks like the branches are creeping up to grab him.


Gillibrand ‘Embarrassed,’ ‘Ashamed’ by Previous Conservative Stances on Guns, Illegal Immigration

Gillibrand, whose name has been floated as a 2020 presidential candidate, claimed her views changed after she entered the Senate and talked to victims of gun violence.

"After I got appointed, I went down to Brooklyn to meet with families who had suffered from gun violence in their communities," she said. "And you immediately experience the feeling that I couldn't have been more wrong. I only had the lens of upstate New York."

"But you had lived in New York City for a decade—" Alfonsi said before Gillibrand interrupted.

"I know, and that's why I was embarrassed," Gillibrand interjected. "I was wrong. What it's about is the power of the NRA and the greed of that industry. Let's be clear, it is not about hunters' rights. It's about money."

"Your critics will say it's political opportunism," Alfonsi pressed.

"As is their right, they can say what they like," Gillibrand said.

Alfonsi then moved on to the issue of illegal immigration, reporting that Gillibrand's issue has switched.

"Can you understand President Trump's position on immigration since you were there?" Alfonsi asked, noting that Gillibrand's stance on the issue used to be closer to that of Trump than her current view.

"No, I think his positions are racist," Gillibrand responded.

Kind a whore isn't she?


She'll do any position you want.

Alfonsi said that Gillibrand used to be against amnesty and sanctuary cities and supported accelerated deportations.

Gillibrand explained her previous views by saying that her former congressional district was 98 percent white.

"I came from a district that was 98 percent white. We have immigrants, but not a lot of immigrants," she said. "I hadn't really spent the time to hear those kind of stories about what's it like to worry that your dad could be taken away at any moment."

"But you're reading the paper," Alfonsi pressed.

"Yeah, and I didn't take the time to understand why these issues mattered because it wasn't right in front of me," Gillibrand responded "And that was my fault. It was something that I'm embarrassed about and I'm ashamed of."


Gillibrand: Trump Needs To Resign Or We’ll “Take Action”

Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) said Sunday she believes Congress should hold President Trump accountable for the numerous allegations of sexual misconduct leveled against him.

“I think he should resign, and if he’s unwilling to do that, which is what I assume, then Congress should hold him accountable. We’re obligated to have hearings,” Gillibrand said in an interview with CBS’s “60 Minutes.”

Gillibrand, who was among the first to call for former Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) to resign due to sexual misconduct allegations, was also one of several Democratic senators who late last year said Trump should resign due to sexual misconduct allegations that surfaced during the 2016 presidential campaign.

Old Lurker

So the royals invited Obama but not Trump to the wedding.



OL,she's feeling better. Thanks for asking.

Old Lurker

Thanks Marlene

Dave (in MA)

For the non-Twits who may have missed it,

Tom Maguire@Tom_Maguire
So in the last few days progressives have explained to the great unwashed that:
(a) military parades honoring the troops are for tin-pot dictators, and
(b) sisters of tin pot dictators are cooler than cool.
Impressive messaging!

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