Failure To Orient Horse And Cart

Writing in Politico Dr. Mark L. Rosenberg, who "is president emeritus of the Task Force for Global Health in Decatur, and was the founding director of CDC’s National Center for Injury Prevention and Control" tells us where the gun debate has gone awry:

What’s Missing From the Gun Debate

It’s simple: Science.

He goes on to deplore the lack of funding for basic research into effective means of reducing gun violence but of course, the lack of funding is a symptom rather than a cause. What is missing from the debate is not science, it is trust. 

Conservatives believe, on some evidence, that the social sciences have become yet another bastion for academic progressives. Consequently right-wingers believe that agenda-driven progressives will engage in agenda-driven statistical jiggery-pokery, produce papers peer-reviewed by other progressives, and come away "proving" the efficacy of the progressive agenda item du jour.

Is that distrust misplaced? Maybe! NY Times columnist and reliable lefty Nick Kristof seems to have figured out that the "assault weapons ban" is a joke. And Leah Libresco surprised herself and (I suspect) her WaPo and/or 538 editors with a piece titled 

I used to think gun control was the answer. My research told me otherwise.

So maybe there are progressives willing to break with their team on some gun-related issues. On the other hand, Mike Bloomberg's "Everytown" isn't even aiming for credibility [CNBC list] with their "Schools Shootings" count and don't get me started on the NY Times editors (OK, one).

Closer to home, author Dr. Rosenberg engages in a bit of, hmm, card-palming himself. Stay with me through some snippets, and I bet you'll guess where I am going:

Where does that leave us? The exact causes of America’s rise in mass shootings—and the best ways to prevent such violence—remain uncertain all these years after Columbine. Should we focus our efforts on mental health? Would a ban on semi-automatic rifles necessarily solve the problem? What if the surest bet is for schools to install metal detectors in their halls? 

...

Common sense doesn’t tell us whether a ban on semi-automatic rifles will reduce mass shootings—that question is too complicated for us to simply work out in our heads. But it’s possible a well-designed study could, and would in turn build public trust in any resulting legislation.

...

And we don’t know whether banning the sale of semi-automatic rifles will prevent mass shootings or lead to more gun deaths because there will be fewer good guys with a gun to stop the bad guys with guns. To answer the question, we also have to measure the degree to which each intervention infringes on the rights of law-abiding gun owners. Only rigorous, objective and well-designed scientific research can find the answer.

...

When we ask lawmakers to make decisions without data—measures like campus carry, universal background checks, identifying individuals at high risk for violence or bans on semi-automatic rifles—we are pushing them to approve the equivalent of thalidomide for gun violence.

Four mentions of semi-automatic rifles. Mentions of "assault weapons"?  Zero. And why is that?

I don't know but... Dr. Rosenberg  is a smart guy who has surely figured out that an AR-15 or other semi-automatic platform tricked out with a black matte finish, bayonet mount, grenade launcher mount and flash suppressor to look like a prop in a Schwarzenegger film is no more deadly than a semi-automatic with a wooden stock that would be OK-ish (except for the magazine) in a John Wayne film.

 

But the national debate, as Dr. Rosenberg well knows, is not about banning semi-automatic rifles. As long as they don't look scary, progressives seem to be OK with semi-automatics rifles, for now anyway. So why is the doctor eliding the difference? Why won't he put his cards on the table and tell us that an assault weapons ban is a joke and would be about as effective as addressing our nation's alcohol problem by banning Scotch and vodka but not bourbon or gin?

 

I don't know and I would be curious to hear his explanation. But one guess many will make is that he is simply not comfortable delivering hard truths to progressives. Which kind of disqualifies him from leading the charge of "science".

 

DO LET ME ADD: Here is another credibility-crushing example fro the good doctor (my emphasis):

 

We need to find interventions that will both stop the violence and protect the rights of law-abiding gun owners. For instance, right now we don’t know whether arming all teachers in a school will save lives or take more lives.

 

Well, we do know that no serious proposal to arm "all" teachers has been made. Why send a strawman into the crossfire?

 

 

Comments

[Jim Eagle]

Judge Sullivan like Clarence Thomas believes in the rule of law, first and facts second. If your facts (FBI 302 contemperanous memos) don't comport to the law then show me what does. He may be the most unique man in Washington, an honest one.

[Beasts of England]

And thanks, Appalled! He's a trial lawyer not a criminal defense attorney. However, if I endure a really nasty slip and fall while at JOM, Maguire's in deep kimchi... :)

[daddy]

I've paid almost no attention to this Cruz kid, but I think Prager the other day on Radio mentioned he thought Cruz and his brother were adoptees from Russia. If so my guess is Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.

Sadly we have a lot of that up here and it has resulted in horrific inhumane murder cases.

[Beasts of England]

Sullivan is likely the only judge in America appointed by Reagan, Bush and Clinton. He may truly be an honest broker.

[boatbuilder]

Has Leah Libresco been re-assigned by the WaPo to cover local Fairfax County Town Council meetings and Horticultural Society proceedings yet?

[DebinGA]

are deemed by a grand jury to be sufficient to be tested by trial.

True, if "deemed" in that case means "automatically true-billed" after a scant offer of proof and almost zero discussion in my 2x experience.

[hrtshpdbox]

It's gotta be a real possibility that, if he does it, Flynn withdrawing his plea could be the beginning of the end of Mueller.

[Jim Eagle]

I still have my Dad's Remington .30-06 bolt action 4+1 center bore rifle that he killed his first (and only) moose with when I was about 10 or 11 in Newfoundland. Did it by accident, since he loosed a round after tripping over a camo log but caught the moose square in its juglar. We ate moose for 2 years out of our deep freeze.

I have a standard issue .45 but the arms I would really like to have is the old M6 survival gun we had on our buffer. 22 chambered and a .410 shot gun shell available on the other barrel. Never used it or even shot it but it was what we would have to use if we got put down in the artic. I always thought, killing what with it? A Polar Bear?

It was that introduction to survival when I knew I would never be as smart as the guys in the laboratory of ideas.

[daddy]

Less than a month remaining to charge that POS Clapper with lying under Oath before the Statute of Limitations runs out on his admitted crime.

[rse]

The Con Con premise originated on the Left and my first tracking of it, daddy, is in sanford levinson's books. It ties to the soros funded constitution in 2020. I have the books but they are in my office downstairs I am not supposed to go to.

The con con then got picked up by the right pincer and especially the state think tanks like TPPF. My experience with all think tanks is they lie and they are by and large pitching a usurpation of the individual's right to make their own decisions. The main argument to them is who gets to be the designated providers of the government mandated benefits.

[Extraneus]

Would a Hello Kitty painted version be more to your liking?

In the gun literature, it's recommended for self defense. People who've defensively used pink guns, or guns with ivory handles and the like, are acquitted more often in wrongful death trials than those with scarier-looking guns. Pretty sure there's data to back that up.

[Jim Eagle]

daddy,

Know a lot of those Russian babies. One was until recently Frederick's friend and classmate. Now out of school. Threatened suicide. Brillant kid. Great family with 2 bio kids, one is at Dartmouth on the crew team. Number 2 daughter may be dating him, who knows.

Also, we have good friends still in London who brought two boys home. She and hubby ex-west point. So far, so good. Maybe a military regimean at home helps.

As I mentioned earlier it was either a crack or meth baby or maybe LSD. You may be on a better track. But I am going chemical either way.

[daddy]

One of my FB friends made a comment that the indictments were proof of Russia meddling in the election.

Ask your friend if Mueller had indicted 13 ham sandwiches would he claim that as proof of Russian meddling in the election as well? Then ask him why not, since just like the 13 ham sandwiches none of these 13 indicted Russians will ever be brought to Trial.

[rse]

I think I told this story but I had an ar-15 in the back of my suv but did not know it. Was driving son up from Florida to retrieve his sisters in an alabama swap off.

Got pulled over in panhandle for speeding on two lane road and son tells me there was a gun he was bringing back from fla to ga. He told me after cop let me go with instructions to 'slow down'.

Remember also that when schools talk about mental wellbeing that is not a term that is synonymous at all with dealing with mental health issues. In fact I believe it gets in the way of treating the genuine issues.

[Jim Eagle]

Let me add: Less Fatherless.

Check out all the recent school shooters and their commonality.

[Extraneus]

Flynn withdrawing his plea could be the beginning of the end of Mueller.

If he was honest, he'd have wrapped it up after the 13 indictments of people who will never be brought to trial. It was a perfect opportunity to leave with his reputation relatively intact.

The fact that he's still there is telling.

[GUS]

Beasts, respond thusly. The indictments are ACCUSATIONS, that during THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, 13 RUSSIANS, tried to MUDDLE up the already MUDDLED up minds who would believe FACE BOOK AD. They spent SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS to confuse AMERICANS.

How much did RODHAM SPEND, and pay RUSSIANS, to do the same thing???

[Old Lurker]

Honest? Mueller?

HaHaHaHa

[lurkersusie]

McCabe and Sally Yates?
Robert Barnes
Robert Barnes
@Barnes_Law
·
I had a case in Atlanta -- started under Sally Yates -- where agents changed their version of 302s repeatedly to create a false narrative against my clients. Would not surprise me to see Yates repeated it against Flynn. Remember @SallyQYates was obsessed with getting Flynn.

[Old Lurker]

Beasts,

a) he is a lawyer.

b) he is a bad one.

c) he is a stupid Lib.

Unfriend him.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

This morning the President told us we should reflect today.

This afternoon he posted this:

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
2h2 hours ago

Obama was President up to, and beyond, the 2016 Election. So why didn’t he do something about Russian meddling?
==========================================

Getting warmer, boss! I know EXACTLY why he didn't. I am wondering when this will finally be stated.

If the federal government can conspire to frame a presidential candidate who is a billionaire celebrity, what hope does the average citizen have?

Especially if they can just write down whatever they want on those 302's and change them as convenience warrants!

I am going to start asking about this to my Congressman and Senators. There is no damn reason why they aren't recording interviews except, as I believe daddy said, to enable them to rearrange facts in order to get convictions. The very idea that this is tolerated tells me that the FBI has too much sway over people in Congress, probably through threats and blackmail.

[Jim Eagle]

Hannity played a tape of Zippy being really pissy about Trump whining about Russian interference in the election and not evidence of such and so on. What a complete and ignorant jackass we had as President. I am sure the people who voted for him are as proud as lemmings going over the cliff to the drowning sea.

The more you play back his comments on anything, the more you realize he got into major universities on color and country of birth alone. I don't believe he was born in Kenya but he made sure everyone with power of admission knew it.

An A+ con man if there ever was one.

As an American what does it feel like to be had for 8 straight years?

[Old Lurker]

MM "I am going to start asking about this to my Congressman and Senators."

Ha Ha Ha.

[GUS]

He wasn't even a good CON MAN, those he CONNED were willing to have a bi-sexual, part black man, MAYBE from KENYA con them.

STILL ARE WILLING.

[henry]

Yates had agents change their 302s? Why isn't there a no tolerance, lose legal license/ govt employment forever on first offense? That isn't a spelling error.

[Old Lurker]

Sorry Henry.

I am all laughed out to answer your 5:24.

[daddy]

Sullivan is likely the only judge in America appointed by Reagan, Bush and Clinton. He may truly be an honest broker.

My guess on Judge Sullivan is that he's probably like a lot of Judges up there that aren't corrupt but are the sort of folks that expect and take it for granted that when FBI/DOJ professionals appear in your Courtroom they are going to abide by the Law just like he does.

It seems to me that after he got made the patsy in the Ted Steven's case by the Prosecutors pulling the wool over his eyes he was incensed and personally embarrassed, and I see in some of the Sundance/Daily Caller links that he has been lied to in other instances on 302's previously. With that said, I think he is seeing it again and is now so personally pissed off at the continual corruption that it completely overrides his "benefit of the doubt" personal nature and he is determinedly going on offense against team Mueller to uncover that corruption with a vengeance.

So I see him as a good man who on a personal level has been made very, very angry which is exactly the kind of guy we need in his position at this exact moment in history. Don't let us down, Judge Sullivan, keep that righteous anger at a boiling point until Comey's Day of Judgement is at hand.

[Extraneus]

I am sure the people who voted for him are as proud as lemmings going over the cliff to the drowning sea.

I take exception to that.

The whole lemming thing was fabricated. A bum rap. Fake news!

https://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lemmings.asp

[henry]

OL. I know.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-19/watch-flustered-john-podesta-respond-why-russians-operatives-were-smarter-hillary

ChuTown Lurker brought this to my attention. Be sure to read the Tweets, particularly Lynn de Rothschild's.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Also, here is the list of the reporters at that off-the-record dinner with Hillary, enlarged for easier reading. There are two pages, so hit the arrow on the right side of the page to go to page 2:

https://twitter.com/Rockprincess818/status/785192830557749248/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fnews%2F2018-02-19%2Fwatch-flustered-john-podesta-respond-why-russians-operatives-were-smarter-hillary

[Beasts of England]

Thanks for that background, daddy. I read that he issues a Brady disclosure (is that the right term?) for each of his cases, and it sounds like the Stephens' debacle would explain that.

[JimNorCal]

exdem makes a point "the indictment does not accuse "Russia" - it accuses several Russian individuals (and enterprises) of breaking identity theft and registration laws."

The indictees are not, afaict, charged with hacking the election. At all. They're cited for opening bank accts under fake names, not registering as foreign agents and the like.

[Beasts of England]

Yeah, OL, but he has an unbelievably hot wife and they invite me over for free drinks every now and then. Priorities. :)

[Jim Eagle]

You know what is amazing? Its what you can learn here.

We have a universe of resources. Some are even the zenith in their fields.

I challenge anyone here to ask a true and sentient question and see the quality of your replies. catsmeat knows where I am coming from here.

You are challenged. But please do not go into Dr. Feynman or Hocking territory. Frederick is on his skateboard and unavailable for answers.

[Jane]

OL, you made my day with this:

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/drinking-alcohol-key-living-90-article-1.3829634

Mary rose are you here?

Great lunch with Mr and Mrs Clarice today (I think I already said that) but I'm telling you, the on-season sucks traffic wise.

[Beasts of England]

So true, JiB. Years ago someone noted that we have recognized expertise on this board in almost every field of knowledge.

[Old Lurker]

Got it, Beasts. You da man.

[Threadkiller]

The Birther Answer Booth is open.

[daddy]

Non hysterical Liz on FOX Business reports that POS Clapper, mentioned above, says he didn't know the Russians were screwing with American Elections in 2014. With her guest Gina Loudon, Liz Plays clip of Clapper on CNN yesterday:

CNN Hostess: ...The Russian operatives had begun traveling here to begin that in 2014 posing as Political Activists. You were the Director of the National Intelligence at that time. What did you know about those operations and why wasn't more done to stop it before it became a problem?

POS James Clapper: I wasn't aware of this activity going back to 2014. We certainly became aware of what was going in '15 and '16, and there's no question about it.
-------------------

Liz: That was President Obama's Director of Nat Intel, James Clapper, saying he did not know about Russian Interference in 2014, but he also said Russians have been trying to interfere in our Elections since the 1960's, and that he and others knew about the meddling going back to 2015...He then went on to say "meddling was worse under Trump. So lets just try to get this straight. On the one hand Clapper is saying Russia melding has been happening since the 1960's, on the other hand it's bad under Trump. What's going on here?

Gina L: You have to wonder why these people aren't just scared to death that they should just end all of this now because the more they talk the deeper they get themselves into trouble. We know now that the only Collusion that happened is exactly what the president said from the very beginning and that is between, Hillary, the DNC, and Russia, to create the fake Dossier. That's the whole story. Everything else is a distraction...

Then Liz plays the Clip of Clapper lying under Oath to Congress on March 12th, 2013:

Dem Ron Wyden: Does the NSA collect any type of Data at all on millions or hundreds of millions if of Americans?

Clapper: No Sir.

Wyden: It does not?

Clapper: Not wittingly.

Liz: What's your reaction there?

Gina L: Well, that means he's a known liar. It's pretty simple to see, and that means that whatever he says probably shouldn't be take too seriously. The one person who has been straightforward about this from the very beginning, about what he knows about it, is the President, President Trump.

[Jim Eagle]

TK,

I specifically excepted your booth:)

[RattlerGator]

JimNorCal, I hear mr, but I thought it was rg.

Posted by: sbw | February 19, 2018 at 12:12 AM

I see that Jane has just posted but no, it was not me, although I am hoping to get up with her sometime in the next few weeks.

[Porchlight]

Happy Presidents Day!

LOL, the Trump Curse is a killer.

[cathyf]

Organizers behind the Women’s March, [propaganda deleted], called for a 17-minute, nationwide walkout by teachers and students on March 14. The Network for Public Education, [propaganda deleted], announced a day of walkouts, sit-ins and other events on school campuses on April 20

Given how many of these school shooters are obviously killing people as a way to become famous, nationwide walkouts are going to CAUSE more massacres. The deranged want to prove that they are important by the reaction that they cause, so the promise of nationwide walkouts will surely prove irresistible to some.

[RattlerGator]

Hey, OL, did you see this link over at Instapundit?

BAD NEWS FOR COMEY, MCCABE, STRZOK, ET. AL.: Attorney General Jeff Sessions told Fox News’ Maria Bartiromo that the Department of Justice is investigating the FBI’s failure to notify the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court that its warrant application to surveil Trump campaign volunteer Carter Page was based on material paid for by Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee. As of noon Monday, this fact appears not to have been reported by either the New York Times or the Washington Post.

The silence at the Washington Post and the New York Times SCREAMS doesn't it, OL?

Sometimes I think Elmer Fudd is gonna enjoy spanking *your* azz about as much as McCabe's azz, OL !!!

[cathyf]

Ask your friend if Mueller had indicted 13 ham sandwiches would he claim that as proof of Russian meddling in the election as well?

Well, it would be proof that somethin wasn't kosher!

(Ducking Clarice's pistolae now)

[daddy]

Just listened to the Podesta squirming on TV yesterday about how he sent Hillary's VP pick, Tim Kaine to campaign in Wisconsin, so I guess the takeaway is we should blame Tim Kaine, since he was less effective in Wisconsin in raising Hillary votes than the Ruskies were in raising Trump Votes.

It is to laugh.

[RattlerGator]

"We have met the enemy and he is us" ~ Walt Kelly as voiced by Pogo.

It wasn’t the video games. It wasn't the gun. It wasn't the FBI. It wasn't fluoride in the water. It was us.

Pull your heads out of your donkeys, disband the circular firing squads and pay attention. We did it to ourselves.

Posted by: Roy Lofquist | February 19, 2018 at 01:36 PM

Exactly right.

Fix the five-or-six-decades-or-so overreaction to the mental health situation, fix it now. This mental health intersection with 2nd Amendment rights is definitely an opportunity for Donald Trump. I'm hoping and praying he navigates it well; the pressure is enormous.

[henry]

RG, Elmer will hit the snooze button, roll over, and return to nap mode any day now.

[clarice]

It was great fun and the daiquiris were wonderful.
daddy, I agree entirely about J sullivan. He was personally wounded that an innocent man was convicted in his courtroom for partisan reasons by corrupt prosecutors who then suffered no consequences for their actions, and he is determined not to let it happen again.

As for Clapper and the statute of Limitations, unless the law has been changed if you conceal the wrongdoing the statute is tolled until such time as the illegality was discovered.

[Threadkiller]

LOL, JiB!

[daddy]

I had a case in Atlanta -- started under Sally Yates -- where agents changed their version of 302s repeatedly to create a false narrative against my clients.

Add another one to the growing pile mountain of deceit.

[clarice]

http://ricoact.com/?page_id=98

tolling the S of L

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Oh, Brit and Brett, get over it and your interpretation of the Trump tweets.

Britt Hume is trying to defend the FBI against the President's criticism yesterday. Fail.

I am, like Larry Schweikart, no longer willing to give the FBI the benefit of the doubt.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Ronna McDaniel
‏Verified account @GOPChairwoman
29m29 minutes ago

Less than 5 years ago, EVERY Senate Democrat voted to end the visa lottery, increase the number of border agents, double the length of a new southern border fence, stop extended family from entering with reunification visas, and issue visas based on merit.

[Captain Hate]

I assume that's Vonn falling like stupid bint. Too bad she didn't break her neck. I see the MFM is whining about all the "online bullying" the mouthy whore has attracted. Too fucking bad.

[cathyf]

As for Clapper and the statute of Limitations, unless the law has been changed if you conceal the wrongdoing the statute is tolled until such time as the illegality was discovered.

Which is the true explanation for the old saw about how it isn't the crime that gets you, but the coverup. It causes the SOL to bump forward to make the miscreant SOL.

[Jim Eagle]

cathyf,

Exactly, what else have been missing in this hodgepodge of apoligictic gun shooting meme. So far on Long Island 4 reported mirror images have emerged.

[Captain Hate]

Ronna McDaniel has really risen to the challenge.

[daddy]

I read that he issues a Brady disclosure (is that the right term?) for each of his cases, and it sounds like the Stephens' debacle would explain that.

Yep, Beasts. From the valuable Federalist link posted earlier: How A Plea Reversal From Michael Flynn Could Uncover More Federal Corruption

Sullivan enters identical standing orders as a matter of course in all of his criminal cases, as he explained in a 2016 Cardozo Law Review article: “Following the Stevens case, I have issued a standing Brady Order for each criminal case on my docket, updating it in reaction to developments in the law.” A Brady order directs the government to disclose all exculpatory evidence to defense counsel, as required by Brady v. Maryland. The Stevens case, of course, is the government’s corrupt prosecution of the late senator Ted Stevens—an investigation and prosecution which, as Sullivan put it, “were permeated by the systematic concealment of significant exculpatory evidence. . . .”

IIRC, in regards to the Flynn case that he took over in December, he has issued the equivalent of the Brady Order, then a few days back made it even more water-tight by demanding even more from Team Mueller. I hope Team Mueller is shitting their britches even as we speak.

Clarice's paste last night, that McCabe ordered Strzok's 302's of Flynn altered and then the alteration history deleted, would go far to explaining Judge Sullivan's latest actions.

[exdemocrat]

Isn't there an exception to tolling the SOL if the illegality should have been discovered, like in the civil context? (could be wrong here - my crim cred is getting rusty).
If so, perhaps Clapper will defend himself by claiming his illegality was blindingly obvious to anyone other than a complete moron/leftist/nevertrumper?

[exdemocrat]

"He was personally wounded that an innocent man was convicted in his courtroom for partisan reasons by corrupt prosecutors who then suffered no consequences for their actions, and he is determined not to let it happen again."

Clarice - can you imagine the collective head-explosion if the good judge found Mueller and his gang in contempt? LOL

[Threadkiller]

I am, like Larry Schweikart, no longer willing to give the FBI the benefit of the doubt.

LaVoy Finicum would agree. The FBI agents lied about trying to assassinate him and it was the cell phone video from the car that proved that the Feds weren't planning on taking prisoners.

In light of the ever changing 302s, it is no wonder the agents thought they could get away with being a hit squad.

[daddy]

You know what is amazing? Its what you can learn here.

We have a universe of resources. Some are even the zenith in their fields...please do not go into Dr. Feynman or Hocking territory. Frederick is on his skateboard and unavailable for answers.

Cool Jack,

Is it a polyprop, a slalom, a pool/ramp, a popsicle, an Old School, a freestyle, or a Longboard?

;)

[lurkersusie]

Former FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force Member: Director Wray Must Resign | Fox News Insider http://insider.foxnews.com/amp/article/60324?__twitter_impression=true

Former FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force member and Navy veteran Steven Rogers said Monday that FBI Director Christopher Wray should resign in the wake of a reported missed tip about the Florida school shooting suspect.

Rogers said there was a failure in intelligence sharing by the bureau, after a tip was received about suspect Nikolas Cruz, but apparently not acted upon, after Wray took charge of the FBI.

"The director of the FBI should not only resign, but the entire leadership [and] executive officers should resign," he said.

[Extraneus]

Tim Kaine

Can anyone imagine a worse, more unlikeable, VP nominee? Seriously. What were his qualifications again?

[Jim Eagle]

daddy,

Freestyle. Hand painted and letterd. On the bottomLi is stenicled - Siiiiick.

Some how I have the feeling your girls are boarders, right?

[narciso]

So shareblue is part of brocks minions:

https://mobile.twitter.com/GenAugustoP/status/965570467603140609?p=v

[Beasts of England]

Thanks for those links, daddy. I continue to shake my head that this is all happening. And that some here have largely predicted these very plays and players for months doesn't mitigate the realization. One one hand, it's much better than a John Grisham novel; on the other hand, it's happening in our country and may expose a level of corruption that is unfathomable to most citizens.

Regardless of the outcome, it widens and ossifies our political chasm. Brought to you by Ø and his abject hatred of this nation.

[Beasts of England]

Thanks for those links, daddy. I continue to shake my head that this is all happening. And that some here have largely predicted these very plays and players for months doesn't mitigate the realization. One one hand, it's much better than a John Grisham novel; on the other hand, it's happening in our country and may expose a level of corruption that is unfathomable to most citizens.

Regardless of the outcome, it widens and ossifies our political chasm. Brought to you by Ø and his abject hatred of this nation.

[Beasts of England]

Sorry

[Captain Hate]

What were his qualifications again?

He wouldn't outshine the Beast.

[Beasts of England]

Impeachment insurance.

[Janet 🚬 - I wish my family had a poncho]

Tim Kaine

Can anyone imagine a worse, more unlikeable, VP nominee? Seriously. What were his qualifications again?

He was from Virginia, a purple state. He speaks Spanish & a phony "religious Catholic" language.
He also follows orders like Biden.
Both are good #2 guys. They'll do ANYTHING they are told.

[Extraneus]

Worth two posts, Beasts.

[narciso]

Of course their lips are moving:

http://dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5394541/Russian-oligarch-asked-linked-Trump-dossier-ex-spy.html?ITO=1490

[RattlerGator]

I don't understand the insistence that Wray must resign. The man just got on the job (installed September 28, less than five months ago!).

He forthrightly admitted the FBI screwed up here.

Those zeroing in on the FBI and Wray, including our Governor here in Florida, seem to be overlooking the much more applicable sources of the error: the school, the school district, and the Broward Sheriffs Office.

Local, local, local.

We need to take a hard look at the social worker or social workers involved with this kid and the mental health professionals. My experience is that these folks have SERIOUSLY gotten off track and have no concept of their duty to *us* -- in fact, so much of what has gone wrong with government workers in toto can be traced back to this very problem.

[Extraneus]

Kushner In Probe Crosshairs As Mueller Shifts From Russia To China

[daddy]

As for Clapper and the statute of Limitations, unless the law has been changed if you conceal the wrongdoing the statute is tolled until such time as the illegality was discovered.

Thanks for that, Clarice.

So with 20/20 hindsight we now know that Clapper lied on 12 March 2013. But do we know exactly when it was discovered that his 12 March 2013 lie was a lie? I suppose if I was Clapper and his Lawyer I'd argue that everybody at that Hearing knew immediately he was lying the moment he told the lie---yeah, that's the ticket. That way the SOL runs out quicker, 12 March, 2018.

Here's a 56 second clip of the liar in action on 12 March 2013: Ron Wyden's exchange with Director of National Intelligence James Clapper

After viewing that I'd say Clapper's got a pretty good case if he argues they knew he was lying the moment the words came out of his mouth.

Also worth noting Ron Wyden's use of the term "Dossier."

[Frau Steingehirn]

Less than 5 years ago, EVERY Senate Democrat voted to end the visa lottery, increase the number of border agents, double the length of a new southern border fence, stop extended family from entering with reunification visas, and issue visas based on merit.

When do we start seeing TV ads of this? The public should know this. Start in the blue hells and sh!tholes.

[Extraneus]

Indicting Clapper would result in a wave of panic never previously seen in history.

[DrJ]

Your (almost!) daily Wretchard:

https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/fake-leading-fake/

[narciso]

What is the chain of command from the Miami office, to the cyber division and next up the rung.

[Enjoying Obama's economy? You're welcome!]

WARNING DUDA POST******WARNING DUDA POST*****

If Republicans refuse to budge on gun control and several more mass shootings happen between now and the mid-terms that could be problematic for them and beneficial for us.

I agree that gun control will do little to prevent gun deaths......but honestly it doesn't effect the DEMS one way or another. For the righties it's a screwed if you do and screwed if you don't situation.

That's good for us.

[narciso]

Yes governor luthor, jumped the gun, those of us with a little awareness, no he should be the last to throw stones.

[narciso]

I noticed this last night:

https://mobile.twitter.com/rcallimachi?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

I would call it the western mogadishj

[Frau Steingehirn]

"Posted by: DrJ | February 19, 2018 at 07:32 PM"

Thank you! It was good to see Walt there.

[Bunky]

Narc: are they still trying to make that Benghazi?

[hoyden]

Shorter FBI, "What we've got here is failure to communicate"

[hoyden]

Keeping hope alive: "That's good for us."

[daddy]

FOX News Host David sitting in for Lou Dobbs:

David: Judicial Watch is suing for information on Obama Administration efforts to unmask members of the Trump Campaign. JW is seeking documents related to UN Ambassador Samantha Powers highly unusual efforts to identify Americans referenced in surveillance of Foreign Nationals. Powers unmasked more than 260 people during just the final year in office. Joining me now Chris Farrell...Judicial Watch...Chris, When I first read that Inauguration E-Mail that Susan Rice sent to herself...talking about how they were going to do everything by the book in all of the investigations, I immediately thought of unmasking, of Samantha Power and her unmasking of all those people. Am I way off on that?

Chris Farrell: No, I think you are right on the nose. Look, Susan Rice is now a certified liar, she's the one who went on TV and kept claiming Benghazi was a spontaneous protest, that it wasn't a determined Terrorist attack, yet we all know that it was. She made the rounds 180 degrees out from that, a series of lies, so when we see her writing this E-Mail, this sort of panacea E-Mail to herself saying everything is Legit, the odds are a million to one that that is exactly what the case is not.

David: ...the unmasking was the perfect way to get inside the Trump campaign, right?

Farrell: Absolutely. This was penetrating behind the scenes of methods and sources to uncover some of the most sensitive signals intelligence information available, and violating the rights of American citizens. You would think that all the Civil Libertarians out there would be hysterical over this sort of abuse of power...

David: It depends on whose ox is being gored...I'm just curious. Even if you get any of these documents or E-Mails you are looking for from Samantha Powers in terms of unmasking, won't they be so heavily redacted that you can't make sense of them?

Farrell: I don't believe so. These are all items or materials that at this point are historical. This is all after the fact. There will be redactions of course...mostly sources and methods, but the interesting thing I think will be the Justification---the requests themselves. What compelled them to do this, on what grounds, and certainly while the intelligence take might be Classified, their rationale or their explanation as to why certain communications have to be unmasked , that does not meet the same threshold.

Davidl Won't the names themselves be redacted?

Farrell: They probably will in order to respect the privacy of the persons involved.

David: ...Let us know what you find out.

[lurkersusie]

He's right!

Florida Gov. Rick Scott is demanding the FBI release all records surrounding its its failure to act on a tip about school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz.

“The FBI should release all records involving this terrible error,” Scott said in a statement Monday. “People in Washington tend to want to investigate, hold hearings and put off what truly needs to be done. Instead, someone needs to be held accountable.”
https://t.co/tjJMZ4vP0s?amp=1

[narciso]

Its left unclear if its the holdovers who are doing this:

http://.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/02/alex-acosta-raises-inaction-to-an-art-form-at-dol.php

[Porchlight]

Today Bob Dole received the Congressional Medal of Honor. Very nice and greatly deserved. He is the same age as my great-uncle who died last spring. They were both Midwesterners who left college to go find the war. God bless.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/17/bob-dole-receives-congressional-gold-medal.html

[daddy]

Tim Kaine...What were his qualifications again?

Well his son, Linwood never robbed a liquor store. Yet.

Hey, I just noticed that Kaine's son was arrested at an Anti-Trump Rally in Minnesota.

Anyone here know if that was one of the Russian Anti-Trump sponsored rally's?

Wouldn't that be cool if one of the leaders at an Anti-Trump Rally was Tim Kaine's son. Ha! Bet Trump would love to tweet about that and find out if Linwood was an unwitting or a witting dupe:)

[anonamom]

Matt, thank you for your beautiful 2:24 testimony.
I am so very sorry for your loss.
You honor your son with your work, and in educating us.

[narciso]

I wouldn't bet against it daddy:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/red-sparrow-what-critics-are-saying-1085621

I think the casting was off, from the beginning

[clarice]

Since the Flynn case is under discussion on many threads here, it's useful to review the 2 pp. charging document. The only thing he is charged with is lying to the FBI:https://www.scribd.com/…/3…/Michael-Flynn-charging-document…
If, as has been reported, the evidence against him--the 302 of the interview he had with strzoke and a second agent were tampered with, what's left of the govt's case?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/19/school-shooting-was-outcome-of-broward-county-school-board-policy-now-local-and-national-politicians-weaponize-kids-for-ideological-intents/#more-146029

This is a direct outcome of Trayvon Martin, Obama school policies, and local school board not wanting a bunch of arrests due to not wanting to look bad. Read this. Sundance has records of communications and everything.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Clarice,

Did you see my report from earlier this afternoon about my lunch with my friend the federal marshal?

NO federal law officer records interviews.

I think this is something that should be changed.