Oh, Say Can You Un-see?

Let me go in record with this now: if Fergie threatens us with another go at The Star Spangled Banner I will be kneeling and praying for an end to the brutality.

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[daddy]

Good Afternoon!

[RattlerGator]

Yo !!!

[GUS]

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[GUS]

I just saw a COKE commercial touting Rosa Parks, MLK, and Jugears von PACKOKOOLS.

[Old Lurker]

RG, I saw what you tried to scare me with about Sessions coming for me a few threads back. He will have to climb the stairs to the Ledge and he would have to be awake to do that.

[henry]

Yo

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Unrolled thread from @drawandstrike, aka Stealth Jeff, to counter Old Lurker's grubling.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/965980193797132288.html

HA!

[exdemocrat]

nice takedown of the pervasive lie being spread that the GOP under Trump passed a law last year allowing mentally ill people to buy guns:

https://twitter.com/TwitchyTeam/status/966067503385497601

[henry]

Sure Miss M. Lots of talk, but no perps a walk.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential-memorandum-application-definition-machinegun-bump-fire-stocks-similar-devices/

He makes a point in this that while he desires quick action, he remains comitted tot he rule of law and doing this in a correct way, so that no loopholes are left.

He ALSO makes the point that Obama did NOTHING. Ha!

[henry]

Has anyone but the guy in Vegas used a bump stock?

[Jim Eagle]

Reposting for sbw:

sbw,

There are Presidential Medals of Freedom that are given to first responders, civilian heros etc. The trope of giving him something unrecognized by the reciepient is forced acceptance. We give Medals of Honor posthoumously but why not that if he was considered military eligible? Makes no sense to me or my veteran community. We have been discussing all day.

BTW, West Point, Annapolis and Colorado Springs have all gone social justice and diversity oriented so the appointment is less than it would have been 25 years ago. They are starting to challenge Oberlin and Antioch for your prog college of choice.

[daddy]

I am still wondering why the Obama appointed top ICE Attorney in the Northwest US, Raphael A Sanchez, still has no posted picture?

Here's what we're given as pics of Mr Sanchez:

SEATTLE (AP) — The former chief counsel for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Seattle acknowledged in court Thursday that he stole the identities of people facing immigration proceedings and used them to run up credit card and other bills totaling more than $190,000.
Here's another:

What the hell is that about. All we're given are cartoon drawings of the Perp that Obama appointed as the head honcho to track down and oust illegal aliens? Does that make sense to anyone?

Raphael Sanchez, 44, oversaw deportation proceedings in Alaska, Idaho, Oregon and Washington before resigning when charges were filed Monday

So we unmask General Flynn but we put a cartoon mask on Obama's top Government criminal officials?

I hate everybody@#$%^

[henry]

What is it, a week or so until MCabe has used up his vacation and starts collecting his pension? Elmer must be dreaming he's Oprah: "You get a pension, and you get a pension..."

[GUS]

Daddy, maybe you can e-mail Susan Rice or Samantha Power. I'm sure they can UNMASK him.

[Jim Eagle]

daddy,

I Hate Everybody@#$% is a great name for a rock band":)

[Ralph L]

Wasn't there a Holocaust survivor prof who died heroicly saving his students in the Va Tech shooting? What was he awarded?

[RattlerGator]

WRT Fergie: I have avoided listening to the thing and am so glad I missed that part of the game.

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OL, listen to me good now. I want to be ringside, in fact IN YOUR CORNER for that beating. And it won't be on the Ledge. Hellz to the nah, nah.

It will be in front of a select crowd on the world-famous Veranda. Also known as the Faith and Patience Portico. At Marple's Nite Limit (way back in the day in my part of Florida, the juke joints used to be called Nite Limits; Kelly's Nite Limit or Smokey's Nite Limit, etc.)

Yeah, that's the ticket. Come one, come all, via the streaming services of MAGA TV to see Elmer Fudd smack OL's ever-lovin' azz !!!

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My momma is having her hip replaced as I type.

Prayers appreciated.

Posted by: anonamom | February 20, 2018 at 09:07 AM

Prayer given, anonamom. I was recently diagnosed with an arthritic hip; had my first steroid injection about an hour ago. Really, really don't want to go down the hip replacement road.

[Davod]

Maybe Sanchez is an illegal.

[Jim Eagle]

RG,

Hip replacement is easy compared to the knee. You will be out in 24 hours compared to knees that get 72 hours. Go to HSS in New York, Bro. Easy Peasy.

Do it now and not wait for the grind of bone on bone.

[Ralph L]

I thought we covered the Trayvon case pretty well here, but I don't remember anything about his multiple suspensions (which should have been arrests). Who suppressed that? stupid question

[Jim Eagle]

Bringing over from last thread:

sbw,

There are Presidential Medals of Freedom that are given to first responders, civilian heros etc. The trope of giving him something unrecognized by the reciepient is forced acceptance. We give Medals of Honor posthoumously but why not that if he was considered military eligible? Makes no sense to me or my veteran community. We have bee.n discussing all day.

BTW, West Point, Annapolis and Colorado Springs have all gone social justice and diversity oriented so the appointment is less than it would have been 25 years ago. They are starting to challenge Oberlin and Antioch for your prog college of choice.

[Thomas Collins]

I guess I am an outlier on this one. I am fine with Fergie's rendition of our National Anthem. I just wish she hadn't apologized. Oh well, I guess she brought Americans of diverse stripes together in denunciation of her version. To hear people criticize her, one would think she had grabbed her nether area or dragged a flag on the ground. Throaty and mournful and passionate is fine with me for our National Anthem.

[narciso]

You never no go full vizzini:
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/19/mark-hertling-suggests-social-media-treasonous/?utm_source=site-share

[Thomas Collins]

What does your military community think of Fergie's rendition, JiB? Did they think it was disrespectful?

[Thomas Collins]

Oh, by the way, OL: Before you go all alcohol all the time on The Ledge, keep in mind that the study folks are now enthusing about concluded that moderate drinking helped towards a long life!

[narciso]

You were speaking of this yesterday, miss marble:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Imperator_Rex3/status/965912624129916930?p=v

[Jim Eagle]

General Hetling has never read the Constitution of the Country he pledge to defend. A lot of them out there. More now then when I was in service. I worry about the direcetion our troops and crews are getting if this nincompoop is in charge.

[Texas Liberty Gal]

Dave - Hated hearing your dad passed on. He's in a better place but I know you will still miss him. My sincerest condolences!!

[Momto2]

daddy - thanks for the pilot advice from the previous thread. My students are in the middle of a 3-month assignment. They took tests to identify careers that might suit their strengths and interests. Now they are writing research papers on a chosen career followed by a short speech to the class. They also have to interview at least one person who is currently working in the career they are researching.

I have 3 or 4 that are researching aviation. I will print copies of your remarks to share with them.

[Extraneus]

I didn't think it was so bad, either, TC. She has a great voice and attempted a few variations on the traditional renditions. Don't understand why she was so panned.

[Extraneus]

CNN Analyst: Social Media Companies Could Be Prosecuted as Traitors For Running RUSSIAN Ads

Really.

[Buckeye]

Daddy,

Curious, is your compensation straight salary, or is tied to how much you fly?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

narciso,

Yes. I am glad to see he is still around, only under a different name.

Vachel Lindsay wrote one of my all-time favorite poems, "General William Booth Enters Into Heaven."

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/12631/general-william-booth-enters-into-heaven

Lindsay felt that poetry should have musical accompinament, as you can see in this example.

General William Booth was, of course, the founder of the Salvation Army.

Here is the YouTube of his funeral in 1912, with narration and music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mp9OkRcMY8

I have a great fondness for the Salvation Army, which was exceedingly kind to my dad when he was in the Army in North Africa and Italy. He always gave to them at Christmas, and I do, too.

[Threadkiller]

Nobody names their kid PETER WANG. DICK BALLZER perhaps, but never PETER WANG. I do have a friend named PETER DICKMAN. Not kidding,

Posted by: GUS | February 20, 2018 at 04:48 PM

Why is a murdered child getting savaged?

[Threadkiller]

Hey Janet, Bill Gates says he should get taxed more:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/18/politics/bill-gates-taxes-cnntv/index.html

I know you love those stories. ;-)

[GUS]

So RODHAM can be prosecuted as a traitor for the DOSSIER????

[narciso]

Looks suspicious to me:

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-grandson-of-munich-massacre-terrorist-is-running-for-congress-1.5840690

[Jim Eagle]

My vet's community doesn't watch the NBA or now the NFL. Why would we watch any sports league who disrespects our flag? And the NBA is no exception. Think Curry, James, Durant and all the other uneducated multimilloinaires. I haven't watched an NBA game in 5 yeas. Why would I?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

So, if President Trump is having a sort of town hall tomorrow with victims and teachers and parents and such, what is the point of this student group getting on Tv and whining and carrying on?

[daddy on iPhone]

Amazing Some obscure Trump guy pleads guilty and his pic is everywhere but Obama's Top ICE attorney pleads guilty on almost the same day and we get cartoon pics.

Why?

[Threadkiller]

Did Patterico finally lose his mind, narciso?

[GUS]

Savaged?? Get a grip.

[Threadkiller]

Probably has to do with the imaging features built into the Xerox Multitask Work center, daddy.

[Threadkiller]

You're the one making fun of a dead kid's name.

I don't get the humor behind it.

[Threadkiller]

I guess you really are teasing the parents who have to put that name on a headstone?

[GUS]

Fuck yourself birther boy.

[Threadkiller]

Nice defense.

[Threadkiller]

Another JOMer texted me to see if I understood the point of the derogatory post not knowing that I scroll on by your posts. So I looked at it and found it disgusting.

There is a reason I don't waste my time and that one clinched it. Back to scrolling by.

[GUS]

Thank you birther boy.

[Janet 🚬 - I wish my family had a poncho]

I guess I am an outlier on this one. I am fine with Fergie's rendition of our National Anthem.

Me too. I don't see what the fuss was all about.

[clarice]

TK, what's Patterico up to now?

[narciso]

Hes doing some odd alter ego thing, pretending hes somebody else, he lets Dana run rampant.

[anonamom]

All went very well.
New hip in, and already tested w session one of PT.
Home tomorrow.

Thank you for lifting her in prayer.

[daddy on iPad]

Bckeye,

We are paid depending on how much we fly. We have a guaranteed per hour payscale tied in with seat position and years of employment, and per diem and international pay and a few others buried in the Contract I can't figure out. I have no complaints whatever about compensation. Because of the College Bills I am maximizing my income. I could work a bit less but I hate debt.

[clarice]

Thnx for the update,anonamom

[clarice]

daddy, if you worked less how would we keep up with all the bars in the world. XOXOX

[narciso]

So thus charge against the dutchman has something to do with this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/us/politics/law-firm-faces-questions-for-ukraine-work-with-manafort.html

[Threadkiller]

Narciso is correct, Clarice. It is an alter ego post that mocks Trump supporters, I think.

Really bizarre.

[Threadkiller]

Good to hear, anonamom.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

anonamom,

Great news about your mother!

I am hoping to avoid that although lately I have noticed climbing our steep back step is a little trickier and more painful than it used to be.

BIL had both done several years ago (he's 82) and it gave him a lot of relief from pain and increased mobility.

[narciso]

Great news anonamon,

This proceeding was years ago in the petegrushka era.

[daddy on iPad]

It's gonna' be a bear Clarice when I have to Retire in 2 years. I'm already making a list of the bars and bartenders I have to make last call with and start checking them off😩 I generally don't drink at home so I hope Retirement doesn't suck.

[squaredance]

Trump should have just kept his mouth shut about this. He is showing weakness here and will merely lose some support in his base. I am q1uite disappointed with him. It is, as the say "low energy".

And as for "the problem", one needs to consider false flag direct action, not to mention the indirect actions amounting to the decay and rot of our society. There really is no "problem" to solve other than exposing and then out the Deep State and their Nomenklatura, and returning to a sane society.

To start down the path that there is "a problem" with gun ownership is a grave error. Trump should have stood up to them.Now the GOP will cave, the Left will be emboldened--and not just on this "issue"--and we could well start down the slow of unraveling what is left of the moral force behind MAGA. No good and much harm will come of this. I am surprised he step forward with it. It shows he is out of touch with a substantial portion of his base, or that he was being dishonest in the first place. It shows that he can be pushed around by MSM generated hysteria.

There was no need to do this,; the hysteria would have passed, and he could have used it to bludgeon the deep state operatives in the FBI (and elsewhere). A very stupid and ill-considered move on his part--perhaps his very first one.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

This is why I don't watch Brett Baier's show anymore.

Look at the source of the poll. I called him on it in the replies to this tweet.

https://twitter.com/BretBaier/status/966087996289273856

I have never forgotten that he rehearsed the questions with Megyn Kelly when they ambushed Trump. He knew what was coming and was an accomplice.

[glenda]

Any bets on daddy's 5:07pm re:Obama Ice non-prosecutor, Sanchez, a criminal identity thief, extraordinaire --charges ???.unmasking? spying? Intelligence leaking? visa fraud? student loan/welfare/Medicaid fraud usually accompanies credit card/identity fraud.. there was a whole lot of illegal activity throughout Obama Justice Department ??

Does the 9th circuit really believe Sanchez did all that cyber theft in his free time, while not doing his job in illegal immigrant sanctuary turf?
How many criminal illegals are still in the NW US because Sanchez was busy doing things the Obama-way ??

Dave, my condolences..🙏

[Extraneus]

He could go with some sort of mental health thing, square. That's my bet anyway. Seems due.

[Momto2]

So glad that all went well, anonamon!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

squaredance,

I no longer try to outguess Trump's actions. I think he is trying to do 2 things:

1. Get some bipartisan stuff going with the few democrats who are willing, and demonstrate that the vast majority are NOT willing to work with him.

2. Remove any criticisms of his White House in anticipation of the midterms.

Adams thinks he is moving into another stage of his presidency where he is trying to bring in people who didn't vote for him.

Somme of the major things he needs to yet do (Immigration and the Wall, for example) need more than the current numbers of GOP in Congress.

[clarice]

You can come to DC on your way to Dartmouth and drink here. I'll even buy some of those paper parasols to stick in the drinks.

[clarice]

Heck, now that I think of it, daddy, we could set up regular periscope broadcasts to all those bars.

[Momto2]

I can't keep up with these athletes. Is Charles Barkley a NeverTrumper?

One of my sorority sisters from my pledge class is being honored with a Lifetime Achievement award. There are 4 receiving the award and one of them is Charles Barkley. I'm making a pro/con list of why I should/shouldn't attend the dinner.

If he is, it might tip the scale.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Sniff! In two years daddy won't be meeting me at Shapiro's! He will just be up there with the dogs and moose!

[Extraneus]

Drudge saying Trump told Sessions to ban bump stocks, links this:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/20/trump-signs-a-memo-telling-attorney-general-sessions-to-ban-devices-that-turn-weapons-into-machine-guns.html

[DebinGA]

The lack of pics of Sanchez is bizarre. Not even a mugshot? Come on. He copped to two counts - 1 wire fraud and 1 other - and accepted a sentence of 48 mos., which is how long his on-going illegal acts went on. Very fishy imo.

[Extraneus]

Actually I heard the beginning of the autoplay video (until I can figure out how to disable that in Opera), and he said "consider." He asked Sessions to "consider" that.

[Beasts of England]

I'm not sure Sir Charles is a NeverTrumper, but I heard his commercials against Moore a dozen times before the election.

[squaredance]

All he needs to do about immigration is enforce the law. If he where to send the DACA bunch back home he would be assure 2018 and his reelection. Letting them stay will be the beginning of the end for us (and him). Here too he is in error.

As for the Wall, start throwing some Dems in prison, crack down of voter fraud and exposing their crimes and the wall will come soon enough, not to mention blasting the Dems out of the water in November. He certainly has the intel and the evidence to do so. It could not be more simple and it is what many (most?_) hoped for when they voted for him. Thus your point just sound like a rationalization to me; in fact it sounds like Trump is "moving towards the center", a move that will be fatal for him (and the rest of us too). So your argument makes no sense.

And I have no idea what you mean by "outguess"? Sound like you mean forming and independent opinion based on actual actions and facts. facts. I certainly am not trying to "outguess" him, whatever that means. You may be ok with blindingly following leaders, but I am not. That is how we got here in the first place.

Trump campaigned on "trust me your guns are safe." Now he wants the AG to "look at the problem", and AG, I might add that is letting the Dems get away with bloody murder. He has let the Left frame the issue and he apparently has gone back on his word.

There was no reason to do this. It is a blunder.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://pagesix.com/2018/02/20/queen-elizabeth-and-anna-wintour-pal-around-at-london-fashion-week/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow

[daddy]

Hey Janet, Bill Gates says he should get taxed more:

I wish we could Tax the Hell out of Bill Gates every time he opens his mouth and Taxes our patience with his damn fool comments.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

squaredance,

I guess a poor choice of words, not meant to insult.

What has been my experience (and perhaps not yours) is that I can't figure out what he's doing or why, and then eventually it becomes clear.

This may not be how you have experienced things, so whatever.

No, I am not telling you that you have to follow him blindly. I also would appreciate you not treating me like I am doing so.

Thanks.

[Extraneus]

Trump: I’ve Directed AG ‘to Propose Regulations to Ban All Devices That Turn Legal Weapons Into Machine Guns’

I know others will disagree, but I think this is a good move, and not just politically. Machine guns have been banned for decades and even gun people agree with the rule.

Reportedly, Trump is also open to an AR-15 age limit. Big deal. Who really wants 18-year-olds to have AR-15s? I'm a gun rights person, with a 20-year-old son, and I don't. Even car insurance actuaries say that men are not normal until after age 25.

Good move by Trump I think.

[gentlejim]

The AR15 owner on the previous thread is certainly an idiot. Unless he did more than cut it in half, that rifle was not destroyed. An easy fix is dropping in a new upper. Can be fixed other ways.

[clarice]

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/289200/

Skewering Jill Abrahamson

[daddy]

Look at the source of the poll.

Thanks for mentioning that Miss M---WaPo and ABC news.

[DebinGA]

Good move by Trump I think.

MeToo, Ex

[clarice]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/20/france-considers-jailing-illegal-immigrants-five-years-fake/#

[Extraneus]

You'd think they could ultimately agree to ban AR-15s, but that would require banning just about all semi-autos, and pistols are semi-autos. (Blam, blam for each trigger pull.)

They went with the scariness factor last time - which had no effect on lethality - in order to avoid the pistol issue, but a general semi-auto ban is not gonna ever happen. Trump is free to throw them a few bones.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

daddy,

I pay attention to the polls they push, adn Brett almost always uses Washington Post, which right there tells you he's a Beltway elite type.

Casual listeners only pay attention to the results. I look at the source, and this one can be discounted.

Brett is a huge disappointment to me. Like I said, he went on and on about rehearsing that opening GOP debate with Megyn Kelly, so although she got most of the criticism he should get a fair amount as well.

[henry]

Ext, that is fine I suppose. Gets the feelers to think something was done. So far, only the Las Vegas shooter used such a device in an attack. Are they expecting more like that?

[pew pew]

" Machine guns have been banned for decades "

All machine guns are not banned, at least not at the Federal level. Some states have banned machine guns (for non-law enforcement common folk), of course some states/towns have banned semi-auto "assault" rifles as well. Any machine gun manufacturer prior to 1986 may still be transferred. They fall under the NFA and have a tax and background check process that takes several months.

Legal machine guns in action....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwW4PEeuL_Q

[daddy]

we could set up regular periscope broadcasts to all those bars.

Clarice,

If I could arrange it I'd find whatever channel they play in the decenter bars in Sydney. Usually it's short clips of surfing or skiing, then bikini gals and interesting animals and cool topography, replayed over and over again at just the right interval to make you want to watch when it comes around again. I'd place that in every Airline terminal in the free world and dump CNN. That'd improve the mental health of millions of travelers and make this a much happier world. Let's figure out how to Tax Bill Gates a couple Billion and make it work.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Hey, daddy,

My daughter had 3 insurance damage claims today from a certain shipping company. All of the claimants had Hispanic names, and all had Russian accents.

My daughter can spot this stuff because she used to date a Russian guy and now dates an Hispanic.

Got any ideas? Is there a witness protection program in operation? Is there an identity theft ring in action?

Very weird!

[Momto2]

From my tri-pod dog page today:

While on a walk with Paige (my tripod):
Teenager: “Wow, like, your dog totally has three legs!”

Me: “Yes.”

Teenager: “Sooooo, does she have a hard time getting around?”

Me: “She used to have only two legs. It’s been much easier for her since the third one grew in.”

Teenager: “Oh my God. Like, for real?”

Me: “Yes.” (stares blankly)

Teenager: (waves at Paige) “Byee, sweetie!”

We are a doomed society.

[squaredance]

Let me understand this: There are some constitutional rights that carry and age limit? How does that work exactly? What other parts of the bill of rights can be so "interpreted" into law with out an amendment ratification process? Well, evidently all of them. Why does one clearly defined right not have the same protection as other rights? Should we have a background check to exercise those other rights as well..sar the first amendment?

Again, the actual "problem" is not gun ownership. Letting the left get away with framing it this way is a disaster. It is surprising that JOMers do not see just how bad this is.

(and btw, one can have machine guns if one has the money and the connections, and the ban on them is of questionable constitutionality.)

Amazing how some can be lead by their nose to the stripping of heir rights based on false flags and media hysteria.

"smart move", indeed. (as if trading on our rights to "score points" in a totally contrived "crisis" is in any way "intelligent".)

Again, a real blunder, as the following days will show.

[DebinGA]

lol, Mom. Teen sounds very sweet.

[Dave (in MA)]

Just wanted to pop in and say thanks to MM, joan, TLG, glenda, Iggy , Marlene, TK, DebinGA, Buckeye, JK, Rocco, lurkersusie, henry, BoE, JamesD, anonamom, caro, Daddy , Porchlight & JiB for all your kind sentiments, and anyone I might have missed.

[Momto2]

Thanks for the reminder, BOE on Barkley and Moore. When I Google his name and Trump he seems all over the place. From asking everyone to give him a chance to this:

"“Thank you, Republicans. I know I can always count on y’all to take care of us rich people, the 1 percenters,” Barkley said. “Sorry, poor people. I’m hoping for y’all, but y’all don’t have no chance.”

I think I will send her a card and save my $. He will probably take his time at the podium to say something equally stupid.

[Buckeye]

Because of the College Bills I am maximizing my income. I could work a bit less but I hate debt.

Daddy, it was a great feeling when Buckeyette graduated and I knew I didn't have to write those checks anymore.

I don't think CalTech will likely end up on the six year program, so sounds like your timing will be perfect.

I have a couple of friends who fly for NetJets. Bet you could do something like that after "retirement".

[squaredance]

Trump's job is most manifestly not to "do something" to make the "Feelers" feel good. His job is to stand up for our rights, stop the erosion of liberty, law and constitutional government and restore the nation. He looks weak, cynical and dishonest in this, and so do some hereabouts, i might add.

Giving any ground on this issue in not in any way, shape or form "good".

Between this and the DACA amnesty that is surely coming, Trump looks to lose no small part of his support.