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February 02, 2018

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Extraneus

It's not a crime to lie to the FISA court?

Who lied? All I noticed were omitted facts. Very serious, dishonest, omissions, but were they criminal?

anonamom

PDin Detroit--greetings!
How are you?

Miss Marple the Deplorable


James Woods
‏Verified account @RealJamesWoods
27m27 minutes ago

So Obama’s government, the #DNC, and members of the #MSM all conspired to fix a presidential election by deceiving a secret court allowed to spy on American citizens? Russians couldn’t have done a better job destroying sacred American institutions than #Democrats have.

daddy on iPad

So where is the damage to National Security? What secrets have Russian spies learned about how to defeat America from the Memo's release?

exdemocrat

aaand just like that, 'the buck stops there'.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
3m3 minutes ago

Donald J. Trump Retweeted The Associated Press

With 3.5 million Americans receiving bonuses or other benefits from their employers as a result of TAX CUTS, 2018 is off to great start!
✅Unemployment rate at 4.1%.
✅Average earnings up 2.9% in the last year.
✅200,000 new American jobs.
✅#MAGA🇺🇸

henry

any guesses what is in the Schiff memo that says this is not accurate?

exdemocrat

daddy - all of those currupt bastards in the DOJ/FBI - and the Obama WH - are and were a danger to national security.

but then the russians et al already knew that.

jimmyk on iPhone

We've still got the IG report and Johnson's investigation. So hopefully more to come.

exdemocrat

here you go, Henry:

https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2018/01/Schiff-memo.jpeg

Jack is Back!

Well the Dow is thinking this will lead to a "crisis" and keep Trump distracted and not pushing his economic agenda. Down 400pts.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/1/donald-trump-highlights-americas-freedom/

President Trump linked this article on his Twitter feed.

Extraneus

Rosenstein signed a FISA warrant approved and vetted and advocated for by others. The memo is not evidence, and does not show he knew much about the background of any of this. Same is true of Yates and even Comey.

The reason they're required to sign is to make sure the due diligence was done, not to rubber stamp bogus applications. Rosenstein should be fired for sure, and since it's in Trump's interest to fire him, I'd bet he's a goner. Who could honestly defend him? What would be the defense, that he was incompetent but not a crook?

Bye, Rod.

DebinNC

Wouldn't surprise me if the main motivation for the Ohrs, McCabe, Rosenstein et al was splitting with Steele the $12M the DNC paid for the "dossier".

Appalled

daddy:

I think the FBI argument was that this memo gives an incomplete picture. The FBI can't complete the record without burning sources or methods.

The sheer hysteria that accompanied the release of this really has my antenna out.

Any of you guys read (or see the Alec Guinness movie) "Our Man in Havana"? I keep thinking of it.

All right -- back to lurking again.

Porchlight

Who lied? All I noticed were omitted facts. Very serious, dishonest, omissions, but were they criminal?

Doesn't the memo say that FBI knew the Steele information was false when they used it to obtain the FISA warrant?

Miss Marple the Deplorable

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/fb-5345759/What-does-House-Intelligence-Committee-memo-say.html

exdemocrat

the DOW drop probably explains this new tweet:

Donald J. Trump

Verified account

@realDonaldTrump
9m9 minutes ago
More Donald J. Trump Retweeted The Associated Press
With 3.5 million Americans receiving bonuses or other benefits from their employers as a result of TAX CUTS, 2018 is off to great start!
✅Unemployment rate at 4.1%.
✅Average earnings up 2.9% in the last year.
✅200,000 new American jobs.
✅#MAGA🇺🇸

Jack is Back!

LOL.

Dems leadership pre-empting Trump decision making by telling him that firing anyone at DoJ or FBI will prompt a "constitutional crisis". In other words, this is the scenario they put in place back in 2016 and its working out peachy:)

Captain Hate on the iPhone

I'm glad McTumor is still lucid enough to know it's game over for his precious legacy. When his miserable life is over they should dump his carcass in the South China Sea.

anonamom

Just because we've speculated/known it all along, doesn't make it not a big deal. It is criminal.


^^^^^^NEVER FORGET!!!!^^^^

lyle

I think the Dow drop is still more based on earnings and Apple, of course.

henry

How familiar... a response to the panel of nonpartisan judges who oversaw the GAB:

https://twitter.com/MacIverWisc/status/959489571858845696

Porchlight

This is why FISA is so easy to exploit.

1. FISA can't substantiate what's put in front of them.

2. FISA rubberstamps almost everything anyway.

3. It's all secret so no one knows that warrants were obtained (or how or for whom or with what evidence).

It's impossible to know whether abuse is even happening, let alone who is responsible.

Captain Hate on the iPhone

I'm in the car to pick up Teddy and Rush is going crazy.

tokjo

"Down 400pts."

Primarily driven by strong employment numbers and expectations of higher interest rates and inflation. Time for a minor pullback.

There has been chaos and a crisis going on for the last year plus. Situation normal for the markets.

Jack is Back!

daddy,

The biggest national security reveal to our enemies, like the Russians, is how corrupt our media is and how if you really want to screw with our elections or other institutions the American media is the best place to start.

DebinNC

FISA warrants are almost never turned down - something like 1 failure in 8000+ applications iirc. Hope the original application is released for the sake of justice and public accountability. This DOJ cabal brought the law into serious disrepute and their misdeeds must be fully aired.

jimmyk on iPhone

According to Althouse, the memo the FBI used a Yahoo news story to corroborate the dossier, and claimed falsely that the story did not itself rely on the dossier--in other words, that it had no independent verification of anything. That sounds like a lie.

daddy on iPad

Even Cavuto and his gang are already meh! over the memo.

Screw Cavuto.

jimmyk on iPhone

the memo SAYS the FBI....

henry

In other words, this is the scenario they put in place back in 2016 and its working out peachy:)

Yes. The smear that never ends. Fortunately Mitt will team up with Mook and save us from Trump in 2020.

The memo is a dud. Easily buried by the above memes. We can't afford to convince ourselves otherwise.

Extraneus

Doesn't the memo say that FBI knew the Steele information was false when they used it to obtain the FISA warrant?

I didn't notice that, but they did omit to mention the fact that they knew it was a political hit. (Omission 1(a) and 1(b) from the memo, which doesn't seem to allow copying and pasting.)

henry

Donald Trump Jr. @DonaldJTrumpJr

Now I really want to see the IG report.

Extraneus

That's in 2 and 2(a), Jimmy. Seems to imply that they didn't know at the time, or that they could make that claim.

Miss Marple the Deplorable


unseen1
‏ @unseen1_unseen
7m7 minutes ago

If the dems were smart, they would call for the end of the SC and pretend they were duped. The other option is to be seen as trying to enact a palace coup on a duly elected President. Better to be idiots than traitors at this point.

henry

Miss M, I think the Dems' spirit animal is "idiot traitor."

Rocco

Well I'm going to call it the Piss Dossier and they all smell like Hillary's urine.

narciso

yes, appalled, I mentioned that similarity at the time, I even remarked it was dark comedy using this game of telephone with Russian spies, but it's not that funny when it can be used to deprive one of liberty,

Jack is Back!

There is more to come:

1) Why did Nellie Ohr use a short wave ham radio set?

2) Was McRino involved in the creation of the dossier from the beginning?

3) Where is the FISA warrant that allowed eveasdropping of a server in Trump Tower?

4) The whole "unmasking" situation by Rice, Power, and others .....

5) Mueller and his team......where they ever involved even tangentially in the DoJ or FBI....

Old Lurker

Porch was dead on at 12:59.

Seems to me that this just now opens the door to ask the next question: So, once Brennan and Clapper had the cover of a FISA warrant to spy on Page, how far into the Trump networks did that allow them to snoop "looking for Page connections"? Had they been snooping those lines before the warrant was official?

Then once they swept up all that stuff, let's move on to the unmasking requests by the political teams?

Then let's look into why all this data was distributed throughout the government so every Tom, Dick and Harry could read it, unmask it, leak it, etc.

As Porch said, the Memo is the wedge and seems to prove the poisonous of the proverbial tree and therefore its fruit.

Fun!

Bori

Of course, Cavuto and some are Meh, they knew or suspected what the contents would be. However, without the memo, subsequent surveillance, etc., there would not be a Muller investigation, to begin with.

Unless Muller has something, this completely blows the air out of his sails. Not only that but any charges brought about as a result of the dossier, FISA warrant is corrupted. Food of the poisonous tree. The Dems know this hence the panic. The justification for the Muller investigation is false, continuing at this point would be pointless.

We are already seeing the ramifications, Flynn sentencing postponement. More popcorn.

Old Lurker

It also makes laughable all the Dem huffing and puffing about comprising Sources and Methods...except for their own.

Finally, this was Classified why?

henry

Ryan's statement on the memo: (an image, so no cut & paste)

https://twitter.com/MacIverWisc/status/959494900743057409

Porchlight

So a private citizen can be spied upon by the federal government with no more evidence than a made up document "corroborated" by a news story whose source is the author of the document.

Just imagine the Founders' take on that.

henry

Porch, something like this?

When in the course of human events...

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/

narciso

now about yogi's bleeding nails, ever come across that?

narciso

I think they called this a general warrant,

Jane

So where do we go from here?

lurkersusie

Oh my

Sessions broke from prepared remarks in a speech Friday on human trafficking. He praised Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein (ROH’-zen-styn) as well as the department’s No. 3 official, Rachel Brand.

Sessions says both are experienced lawyers and “represent the kind of quality and leadership that we want in the department.”

That’s a departure from President Donald Trump, who was asked Friday whether he has confidence in Rosenstein. Trump said, “You figure that one out.”

henry

A roundup of Page... a pre-existing FBI foil that just

bear in mind that Page was never a paid Trump staffer and claims he never met Flynn and never had a single meeting with Trump. In fact, Page appears to have insinuated himself into the Trump campaign suddenly in early 2016 when it was short-handed without persons with direct foreign experience. He seemingly emerged out of nowhere.

https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/is-carter-page-an-fbi-informant-who-wormed-into-trumps-campaign/

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Larry Schweikart
‏ @LarrySchweikart
3m3 minutes ago

1) folks, don't want to interrupt your Memogasm, but some serious, serious crap is being released today on FOIA:

*Cankles received, and perhaps also transmitted, classified PRESIDENTIAL DAILY BRIEFS!
*As Freeper KitJ notes, this causes massive intel problems.
1 reply 33 retweets 34 likes
Larry Schweikart
‏ @LarrySchweikart
2m2 minutes ago

2) Freeper KitJ goes on:
No wonder our premiere domestic Counterintelligence agency (Eff Bee i or Federal Bureau of Matters) doesn’t want anyone to know what they covered up in declaring Her innocent. Or at least not “prosecutable”.
0 replies 3 retweets 8 likes

Clarice Feldman

well, McC was part of the ring so naturally he'd be opposed to the exposure .

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Important paragraph from the memo:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVDG8uXW0AEItdK.jpg:large

Miss Marple the Deplorable


Larry Schweikart
‏ @LarrySchweikart
2m2 minutes ago

Breaking from FOIA contd:
Chelsea Clinton (Shreklette) apparently had a dual identity and separate passport (international law violation). Cankles asks her using "Dianne Reynolds"alias if she entered a middle Eastern country under her own name!
(More form Freeper KitJ

=========
Whoa. Chelsea Clinton had a fake passport?

daddy on iPad

Wish i could post DrK's comment on FOX from last year about how anybody who thought the FISA courts many layers of safeguards and rules could ever allow corruption to occur was a delusional mental case.

jimmyk on iPhone

" Seems to imply that they didn't know at the time, or that they could make that claim."

That would imply a level of due diligence comparable to a sixth grader's homework assignment. Yahoo News? Seriously?

Sue

I have asked everywhere on twitter and still no answer. How in hell did this memo damage national security and not just a few individuals careers?

DebinNC

Rosenstein was U.S. Attorney-MD during the FISA shenans iirc. He came to the DOJ in April 2017, several weeks before DT fired Comey. Sessions might have suggested/pushed Rosenstein's nomination, which would explain today's public vote of confidence, deserved or not.

Dave (in MA)

Miss Marple the Deplorable | February 02, 2018 at 01:47 PM

"Inexplicably" lol

PDinDetroit

anonamom - Thank you for asking. Not bad, but still fighting migraines (imagine that).

The Barometric Pressure has been bouncing around enough in the Detroit area, just under the highest all-time a few times. The weather fronts have also been fun-fun, know when they are 1-2 days away. My migraine/sleep doctor has been out for the better part of a year with serious health concerns of his own, so I have been managing on my own to some degree.

The Mayo Clinic has reported that neurotransmitters are affected by migraines and weather changes, especially Serotonin (regulates pain). Some of the research is still not complete, but they have at least linked it. When I have confusion and loss of N-S-E-W and dizziness when migraines occurs, I am just about willing to try anything different that *might* work.

I have had some of my medicines changed due to this information and so far I like the lower pain levels that are a result. I also have had PT from OMPT (Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapy) that is helping along with some acupressure. Only been a short time, but any relief is welcome!

Back to our regularly scheduled chaos...

Clarice Feldman

Tom Canaday Yesterday: Releasing the memo will destroy the nation!
Today: There is absolutely nothing to see in this memo!

Chance

The memo is a wedge and the IG report is a sledgehammer. Yes, there will be growth in the Spring.

henry

OK... plan B. Ron Wyden claims the NRA is a bunch of Russian stooges that funneled Vlad's cash to help Trump.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/02/wyden-asks-nra-treasury-about-russian-contributions-for-trump-support.html?__source=twitter%7Cmain

Old Lurker

"Sessions broke from prepared remarks in a speech Friday on human trafficking. He praised Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein (ROH’-zen-styn) as well as the department’s No. 3 official, Rachel Brand.

Sessions says both are experienced lawyers and “represent the kind of quality and leadership that we want in the department.”

That’s a departure from President Donald Trump, who was asked Friday whether he has confidence in Rosenstein. Trump said, “You figure that one out.”


RG will stop by soon to explain this away.

Old Lurker

Daddy "Wish i could post DrK's comment on FOX from last year about how anybody who thought the FISA courts many layers of safeguards and rules could ever allow corruption to occur was a delusional mental case."

It was that quote that caused me to write him off as the impartial brainiac he pretends to be.

Threadkiller

It was quite possible for people of reasonable and rational good faith in all walks of life, like Kimberly Strassel for instance, to disagree on the birther stuff without having been participating in a whitewash or coverup.

Or they were lazy.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Trey Gowdy‏Verified account @TGowdySC

As I have said repeatedly, I also remain 100 percent confident in Special Counsel Robert Mueller. The contents of this memo do not - in any way - discredit his investigation.
===================================

Well, thanks a lot Trey. Tell us again exactly why you are retreating to private practice, please.

I smell some sort of pressure from nefarious sources.

Extraneus

narciso, get some styptic powder at the drug store. Probably in the shaving section.

Old Lurker

Trey was talking about the guy who immediately hired 15/15 top pro Hillary lawyers to go after Trump, right?

Thought so.

daddy on iPad

Rosenstein signed a FISA warrant approved and vetted and advocated for by others. The memo is not evidence, and does not show he knew much about the background of any of this. Same is true of Yates and even Comey.

Dr Krauthamer told us a hundred times we were fools to think anything like that could happen. There were rules, people, and there were safeguards, and you guys are tin-foil hat brigade idiots to think anything else.

Extraneus

He praised Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein

Sheesh. Well that just about closes the book on him, although mentioning Rachel Brand in the same sentence might leave it open just a crack. Let's see if he tries to protect Rod from being fired.

henry

It's official. Comey says nothingburger.

That’s it? Dishonest and misleading memo wrecked the House intel committee, destroyed trust with Intelligence Community, damaged relationship with FISA court, and inexcusably exposed classified investigation of an American citizen. For what? DOJ & FBI must keep doing their jobs.

https://twitter.com/Comey/status/959498570532577285

exdemocrat

wow

James Comey‏Verified account
@Comey
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That’s it? Dishonest and misleading memo wrecked the House intel committee, destroyed trust with Intelligence Community, damaged relationship with FISA court, and inexcusably exposed classified investigation of an American citizen. For what? DOJ & FBI must keep doing their jobs.

exdemocrat

so you and Comey are on the same page then, Henry?

Extraneus

Can't wait to see DJT Jr's response to Comey.

henry

LOL exd. More than one road to that conclusion. What will change because of the memo?

Old Lurker

"Rosenstein signed a FISA warrant approved and vetted and advocated for by others."

So he is willing to just sign whatever is put before him without enquiring further? Wonder if the FISA court those signatures were just rubber stamps signifying nothing?

Ask any executive subject to Sarbanes-Oxley if a statement signed by them lets them of the hook for anything.

Femall.

asw

Narciso Dogs and cats will bleed if the nail is cut too short. It happens and it's not really a big problem. So the bleeding stops more quickly using a styptic pencil or powder helps. This shows why it happens and what to do
https://barkpost.com/stop-dogs-nail-from-bleeding/

Best to only take off a little at a time but not always possible if you have a wiggler.

cathyf
I am seeing a real Watergate parallel here. The cover up is as bad as the crime itself.
More importantly, the coverup has its own statute-of-limitations clock that has lots and lots of time left on it. And is probably just fine for using the president's new EO about confiscating the proceeds of corruption...

Looks like popcorn futures are the next bubble...

matt - deplore me if you must

They sure did protest against the nothingburger.

But let's delve a little deeper into the disinformatisya that came right out of the KGB playbook.

Clinton Campaign - Dossier - NYT/WaPo/Mother Jones/MSKGB - FBI - DoJ-FISA Court - Comey - Mueller

Dave (in MA)

6'8" weasel tells us what his wife said on their honeymoon. http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/372040-comey-bashes-release-of-nunes-memo-thats-it

FIB

What? Warrant denied. Hang on, we'll be back with a dossier.

"On January 11, 2017, The Guardian reported that the FBI initially applied for a FISA warrant in June 2016, requesting to "monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials." This initial request was denied.

A source told The Guardian that the FBI then submitted a more narrowly focused request in October, "but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation."

So, now we know "more narrowly focused" just means that the Dossier was used as the basis for the approved FISA applications. The same dossier that was misrepresented to the FISA Court Judge, despite the FBI and DOJ knowing the political basis of the dossier itself. "

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/7utdko/the_beginning_of_the_end_of_the_mueller/

Extraneus

Exactly, OL. The whole point of making political appointees sign is to make them responsible for the integrity of the process. He's responsible and should be fired.

Beasts of England

I'm glad Sessions said that. Good cop, bad cop. That's the way I see it.

Appalled

Ext:

Do you find this memo of any significant at all, or just a handy pretext for Trump to do his own Saturday Night massacre?

Despite the resounding meh from some, the memo's issues do deserve some exposure. They won't get it if Trump immediately decides to axe Rosenstein.

Momto2

now about yogi's bleeding nails, ever come across that?

narciso | Didn't you post that they were being trimmed at the vet? They obviously cut them too short - into the quick! It's painful like it is when we cut our nails too short. You can stop the bleeding with a septic stick...or even some corn starch.

If Yogi's nails are like Darby's (black) it's impossible to see the quick so be sure to warn the vet or groomer next time.

Clarice Feldman

On page four of the memo, it states:

The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. Steele was a longtime FBI source who was paid over $160,000 by the DNC and Clinton campaign, via the law firm Perkins Coie and research firm Fusion GPS, to obtain derogatory information on Donald Trump's ties to Russia.

Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele's efforts, even though political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials.

Extraneus

The memo proves to me that the DoJ and FBI were corrupt, politicized, and need to be fumigated. I just don't know if it is evidence of a crime. Unlike Gowdy, I also think it's evidence that Mueller's investigation is bogus and probably corrupt as well. He should be investigating Hillary and the DNC, DoJ and FBI for collusion with foreigners to interfere with an election. Unlike with Trump, we actually have evidence of that.

Old Lurker

Beasts, why does Rosenstein deserve a good cop?

If his boss really believes what he said, then what does that say about his boss?

“represent the kind of quality and leadership that we want in the department.”

Did Sessions read the damn memo?

Extraneus

Good cop makes no sense if Sessions is looking out for his boss.

FIB

Are people saying "that's it?" about the memo because under prior FBI leadership it was normal operating procedure to obtain FISA warrants based on misleading and incomplete materials (e.g a political party funded report of highly questionable origin to use against the opposition campaign)? So improper FISA warrants are not new news?

If "that's it", why the big uproar from everybody on the left prior to the release?

Extraneus

Rep. Ron DeSantis: Rod Rosenstein will likely need to appear before Congress to answer questions

“I think Rosentstein is going to have to come to the Congress and explain his roll in extending it. I mean, did he go back and review it and was satisfied, or he just extended? And is he going to be able to justify this as a proper use of FISA?” Mr. DeSantis, Florida Republican, said on Fox News.
Extraneus

The reason for the panic:

Dem leaders tell Trump not to use memo to fire Rosenstein, Mueller

FIB

Plan A (prior to release from people who read the memo): The memo is top secret and contains sources and methods so the information must not be released!

Plan B (after release from those same people): The memo is no big deal. Just ignore it.

Old Lurker

Rosenstein knew the Dossier was a bogus political document paid for by Hillary Clinton but he signed a FISA application without telling that to the judge, then he used the uproar to justify appointing his crony, Mueller as SC and approved his hiring Clinton pit bulls to go anywhere and everywhere they wanted to destroy the elected president.

...and the AG says that is just the sort of leadership he wants in the DoJ.

Okey Doke.

Extraneus

TOM FITTON: “Will Rosenstein be Fired?” Memo Shows FISA Court Was Misled by Deputy AG Rosenstein – POTUS Trump May Have to Act

Tom Fitton tweeted, “Memo shows FISA court was misled by Comey, McCabe, Yates, and Rosenstein. Will Rosenstein be fired? Will he have to recuse himself, in the least? @RealDonaldTrump may have to act.”

Fitton also said, “Memo: No FISA warrant without Dossier. Which means no Russia collusion story without Dossier. Which means no Mueller special counsel without Dossier paid for by Clinton/DNC. Shut it down.”

Tom R

Someone refresh my memory. Rosentejn didn’t get confirmed as Deputy AG until the end of April 2017. This was well after Trump’s tweet on 4 March 2017 accusing Obama of spying on him.

Why exactly are we lumping Rosenstein in with all the corrupt members of the Obama administration?

Sue

There’s nothing in the memo we didn’t already know.

Extraneus

Because he signed off on at least one of the FISA warrant renewals.

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