School Shootings, Gun Control, And Red Flag Laws

There are partisans on both sides of the gun control screaming match that rely on hyperbolic rhetoric to rouse their donors. To pick an example seemingly at random, people like Hillary Clinton will prefer to pander rather than lead.

However, I am feeling a mad surge of optimism today. From the right, let me single out Dan McLaughlin as a hard-headed righty who is surely not a reflexive gun grabber yet seems to be fed up with the current non-debate (OK, that may be me projecting...). A snippet:

There are only easy answers if you are willing to sacrifice rights you don't care about, and that other people do. That's never been a solution Americans could pursue without embarrassment and regret. Unless and until we can find a better, more reliable way to identify potential mass shooters early, we have to acknowledge the nature of the choice before us: Punish many innocent people or remain mostly defenseless against the malicious few.

Nobody wants to make one side of that trade. But nobody wants to face the other side either.

And on the left, Nick Kristof recycles a column where he tried to actually talk a bit of sense into his fellow lefties. Let me extract this:

Frankly, liberal opposition to guns has often been ineffective, and sometimes counterproductive. The 10-year ban on assault weapons accomplished little, partly because definitions were about cosmetic features like bayonet mounts (and partly because even before the ban, such guns were used in only 2 percent of crimes).

Whoa, say what?!? Normally libs are eager to parade their utter lack of knowledge of guns by railing about an assault weapons ban as the first order of business. That does not generally lead to a calm and productive discussion. On the other hand, the Washington Post shows signs that they are not afraid of the truth on gun control, which is a hopeful sign.

In any case, I would like to see Messrs. McLaughlin and Kristof co-chair a Pundits Panel on gun control. Their chief of staff can be Leah Libresco, author of "I used to think gun control was the answer. My research told me otherwise."

My hope is that we can move beyond the famous Onion headline:

No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

A valuable suggestion: The WaPo has an article on Red Flag Laws. Sadly, a key source is the not-trustworthy Everytown site, but still, the idea can be examined independently. From the WaPo:

Five states allow guns to be seized before someone can commit violence

In the wake of massacres like Wednesday’s school shooting in Parkland, Fla., a small number of states have passed “red flag laws” that allow the seizure of guns before people can commit acts of violence.

California, Washington, Oregon, Indiana and Connecticut have statutes that can be used to temporarily take guns away from people whom a judge deems a threat to themselves or others. Lawmakers in 18 other states — including Florida — plus the District of Columbia have proposed similar measures. At the federal level, California lawmakers Rep. Salud Carbajal (D) and Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D) introduced legislation last May that would encourage states to adopt the approach.

Mental illness, escalating threats, substance abuse and domestic violence are among the circumstances in which a judge can order weapon restrictions under the laws.

That is a court-supervised process that could be effective while preserving due process rights, unlike the absurd proposals to expand the role of the No Fly list to become a No Buy list as well.

Some of the other Kristof suggestions, such as raising the legal gun purchase age to 21, as with cigarettes and alcohol, don't faze me. I should add that he notes domestic violence restraining orders but does not expand on that to pick up the Red Flag Laws. I have no doubt he would support it, however, and yes, that gives me pause.

In any case, there are some positive steps we could take that might improve our national record on gun violence while respecting (but slightly rebalancing, under court supervision) our right of self defense. And as a matter of pure politics it might behoove the Republicans to put forward some ideas of their own rather than simply knock down the stupider ideas from the other side.

Connecticut is one of the five states with a Red Flag law. Their law, passed in 1999, did not prevent Adam Lanza of Sandy Hook horror, but with a different "See something, say something" social norm, who can say? In any case, here is a Duke study on the impact of that law.

For those who can separate citations from the source, here is an Everytown article with lots of footnotes on Red Flag laws. Distrust but verify!

 

Comments

[Dave (in MA)]

How does organizing an Anti-Trump rally help get Trump elected?

They were just trying to cover their trackskis, er tracks.

[daddy]

David: Could there be a phase 2?...Could there be other people involved, unbeknownst to us now..., that Mueller might be investigating, in particular American citizens?

McCarthy: Sure, it's posible...It sure looks like from what we are seeing here, that there weren't Americans involved in a conscious complicit way, so you have to ask at a certain point "What is the point of what we are doing here?" because it doesn't look like this activity did much in the way of having an impact on the Election. A lot of it just looks kind of amateurish if you ask me.

David: Is it then your feeling...that the Mueller Investigation...is close to an end?

McCarthy: No, I think the Mueller Investigation is now focused mainly on Obstruction rather than Collusion. All we learned today is confirmation of something that everyone knows---The Russians tried to interfere in our Elections and they were doing it before Trump came along. What I think Mueller is focused on right now is Obstruction.

[boatbuilder]

Hmmm--for some reason I am not hearing the term "nothingburger" from the pundit class on this one.

Odd.

Because it seems to be a lot less of a burger than the Nunes memo.

It's almost as if they wait to get their talking points from somewhere before they start using their words.

I wonder what the word will be for this.

[Davod]

"DiGenova says the collusion fantasy is over."

Does this means they will stop investigating Democrat collusion?

[henry]

So McCarthy is cool with investigating "Obstruction" of an investigation of a crime faked by the investigators themselves?

[clarice]

I have never seen anything so stupid as the present DOJ and FBI and Mueller--never. replace them al with Fordham Law School grads who worked their way thru law school.

[Extraneus]

This is nothing more than manufacturing an "illusion of action" to justify an investigation.

Yes, but does it bolster an obstruction case against Trump? I mean, if there were no crime, then it's hard to claim obstruction of "justice." But see, there was a crime! And, notwithstanding that Trump had nothing to do with it, he fired Comey to interfere with the investigation of it!

If Mueller doesn't wrap it up by next week, that's what I'm going with.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

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[jimmyk]

I'm not sure I said that, ss, but it's a reasonable question. But is it illegal for Americans to interfere in foreign elections? I don't know.

But the example of Pelosi and Vincente Fox is about as blatant as it can be, since not only is there foreign interference, but collusion with the foreigner by the leading Democrat in Congress.

[Extraneus]

And I didn't read McCarthy before I posted that.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Mitt Romney
‏Verified account @MittRomney
4m4 minutes ago

This morning I went to @GreenAcresDairy to see their operation and hear about the agricultural issues our hardworking farmers face. Thank you, West Weber!
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Green Acres is the place to be!
Farm living, that's the life for me!

[jimmyk]

My only fear is that this is step 1 by Mueller: Establish an underlying crime. Then step 2 is somehow get Trump or someone in the administration or campaign for obstruction or lying or some other process crime. Absurd as it sounds, I won't rest easy until Mueller closes shop, or has it closed for him.

[jimmyk]

Hadn't read ext's 4:44 before my 4:50, but GMTA.

[Davod]

"agricultural issues our hardworking farmers [will] face" trying to work without illegals.

[Janet 🚬 - I wish my family had a poncho]

, communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek and to coordinate political activities."

Who exactly?

[daddy]

Saw this headline at Ext's link about DiGeneva: DiGenova says indictment of Russian agents shows President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign did not coordinate with their meddling at almost the exact same moment when Howie Carr was reading the just posted tweet from Ben Rhodes saying that these indictments reveal more and more of the collusion pie in the 2016 Election.

My transcript of Howie's producer reading this tweet:

"Every piece of information that has been filled in thus far by Mueller confirms a greater scale of Russian interference, more contact with the Trump Campaign, and further reach into the American Electorate."

Howie didn't read it himself because he was laughing too hard.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

By the way, the judge on General Michael Flynn's case has directed the government to provide all exculpatory evidence that they have. Or else.

[henry]

I suppose Sciff's memo is now inop?

[Davod]

Re. Obstruction of justice. As with the Libby case, who will a DC jury believe, President Trump (R), or former Director of the FBI, and author of a book on ethical conduct, Jim (the anointed one) Comey.

[JimNorCal]

"Thank you, Google.
Posted by: Captain Hate | February 16, 2018 at 03:35 PM"

Curse you, Goolag!

[JimNorCal]

From BJG blog:

"Colonel Leo Thorsness, RIP
American hero, Medal of Honor winner"

[Sue]

The indictments say that they set up operationsbin 2014. They were going to do what they did no matter who the nominees were.

[clarice]

How does this compare with Pelosi and Fox or Ted Kennedy and the Russians? One of these 3 things is not like the others.

[Extraneus]

Who exactly?

Don't try to put one over on Janet is all I'm saying.

[Old Lurker]

Who was the guy who met with Ortego? Jim Wright?

[narcis o]

Its even more pathetic than we thought:

http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/16/mueller-indicts-13-russians

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

daddy, you will enjoy this article!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5400605/Ancient-city-Mexico-buildings-Manhattan.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

Experts used lasers to send beams of light from an aircraft to the ground below to build up a map of the area

They discovered a lost pyramid city known as Angamuco built by the Purépecha, rivals to the Aztecs

The city was more than double the size of Tzintzuntzan, the culture's capital, at 10 square miles (26 sq km)

It contained 40,000 building foundations which is roughly the same as on the island of Manhattan

[Extraneus]

Yeah, Jimmy. The lameness of these indictments seem to only have two possible explanations:

1. Fig leaf for Mueller to back out without his ass showing.

2. Sinister move to overthrow the duly elected President.

Either he wraps it up immediately or RG is no longer wondering what color his hat is.

I think we know it's not white in either case.

[daddy]

I have never seen anything so stupid as the present DOJ and FBI and Mueller--never.

Thanks for saying that, Clarice. Like most of us here IANAL, but I look at this self evident stupidity on display and keep thinking that there has to be something I'm missing.

And pencil neck Rod Rosenstein in his Presser comes across to me as carrying himself with the poise and confidence of a seasoned athlete Floyd the Barber from Mayberry.

[Extraneus]

Mueller indictment of Russians starts to fill out the other side. Next: who are the actors in this country. The contours of the conspiracy are starting to be detailed. This is hugely significant.

— Eric Holder (@EricHolder) February 16, 2018

[anonamom]

Beyond pathetic.

[Davod]

"Obama’s Meddling in Foreign Elections: Six Examples" STEVE BALDWIN, June 14, 2017, 4:59 am, The American Spectator.

Contains a lot of good information. A sample is included here:

"...Meddling in other’s elections is a violation of international law. In 1965, the United Nations General Assembly reaffirmed this with a resolution stating: “No State has the right to intervene, directly or indirectly, for any reason whatever, in the internal […] affairs of any other State.” And the International Court of Justice also considers such intervention to be illegal. More importantly, U.S. law prohibits the use of tax dollars to influence foreign elections..."

Obama interfered in: Kenya, Israel, Macedonia (The State Department was still at it recently), Libya, Honduras, and Egypt.

[narcis o]

They fell for the banana in the tailpipe:

https://mobile.twitter.com/FarLeftWatch/status/964554570713255936?p=v

[maryrose]

Daddy:
My husband really laughed at your comparison of Rosenstein and Floyd the Barber.
FBI on the hot seat wrt Florida killings, bring on the indictments in a “look squirrel “ moment.
Clarice is right.
This is the 3 Stooges on steroids.

[Extraneus]

Holder making such a fool of himself is just an indication of the panic.

[Old Lurker]

If I were Eric Holder, I would have changed my name and recovered from plastic surgery by now.

[Dave (in MA)]

Miss Marple the Deplorable | February 16, 2018 at 04:50 PM - I wonder if he had to climb a telephone pole to get internet.

[maryrose]

Eric Holder is throwing up a huge smoke screen in part to cover up illegal activities during the time of Obama in the presidency.
He is pushing this too far and I hope President Trump reopens Fast and Furious and nails his rear end to the wall.

[lurkersusie]

What are the chances the Russians meddled in the
2008 and 2012 elections My guess would be yes.

[Texas Liberty Gal]

maryrose. No forgiveness for Mitt because he hasn't apologized but rather has doubled down on his sin

Re Eric Holder I would love to see Trump reopen investigation into F & F!!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Texas Liberty Gal,

Me, too! It's a perfect time to narrow down where all those illegal guns come from!

[Porchlight]

What's the crime? Is collusion a crime, if it happened?

[daddy]

Judge Napolitano says the Bob Mueller Investigation is finally getting somewhere and he did not incite anybody except Russians in order to smoke others.

Host Liz: ...What is your reaction to all this?

Judge Nap: Well my reaction is that I'm glad that Bob Mueller has finally justified the existence of his Office, and I'm glad that the attitude that the Russians attempted to influence the Election was a Hoax or a Witch Hunt, we know it's not a hoax, we know it's not a Witch Hunt. We know that Bob Mueller is getting somewhere. The question is, the tantalizing question is this---every time the word "defendant or defendent's" is used in the indictment, it is followed with "amend their co-conspirators." The tantalizing question now is were any of their co-conspirators American? It appears not at this point, but I know the way Law Enforcement operates, and they may very well have indicted just the Russians to see if this will smoke out any of the Americans. We also don't know who the 3 Trump Campaign Officials were...Were they down at the George Popadopoulis level or were they up at the Jared J=Kushner, Donald Trump Jr level, but we do know this was a large, broad, professionally run, well organized, well financed effort to subvert the Presidential Election in 2016, and other Elections. It could only have come from the Kremlin itself.
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I think Clarice is going to have to add a few more names to her "stupid" list:)

[Extraneus]

Bloomberg:

Mueller Still Investigating Possible Collusion, Source Says

Special Counsel Robert Mueller and his prosecutors haven’t concluded their investigation into whether President Donald Trump or any of his associates helped Russia interfere in the 2016 election, according to a person with knowledge of the probe.

Friday’s indictment of a St. Petersburg-based “troll farm” and 13 Russian nationals should be seen as a limited slice of a comprehensive investigation, the person said. Mueller’s work is expected to continue for months and also includes examining potential obstruction of justice by Trump, said the person, who requested anonymity to discuss an investigation that is largely confidential.

[clarice]

I never thought Nap was particularly smart.

[Extraneus]

Democrats assail $120 billion in stock buybacks in 2018 as new 'GOP tax scam'

"This is a problem for the middle class. Members of this committee promised that middle-class paychecks would be bulging early in 2018, but instead the CEOs are funneling the tax windfall into buybacks that inflate the value of stocks held by affluent executives and wealthy shareholders," Senate Finance Committee Ranking Member Ron Wyden, D-Ore., said in the Democrats' weekly address, which features prior clips of members speaking on the tax law. "Meanwhile, recent public announcements by companies have found that the employee pay boost, touted by the Republicans, add up to $5 billion give or take."

Heavens.

"I can assure you that if Democrats come back after the November ‘18 elections, we will do our very best to correct the inequities in the bill," Whitehouse finished.

Sing it loud!

[daddy]

Absurd as it sounds, I won't rest easy until Mueller closes shop, or has it closed for him.

Posted by: jimmy

Not absurd at all, JimmyK. Mueller should be feared until the moment he Takes the 5th when being grilled for his own criminal actions by a Special Prosecutor appointed by Attorney General Rudy Guilianni.

[RattlerGator]

25 Countries With The Highest Murder Rates In The World

The U.S. is not in the top 25; Caribbean, South America and Africa dominate the Top 25.

https://t.co/YXZoqiHoAd

— wretchardthecat (@wretchardthecat) February 16, 2018

Those currently shrieking about guns and murder in the United States might have a serious problem spinning this factoid.

[henry]

RG, it's easy for them: shitholes don't count for league tables, anyone from a shithole has good reasons to be here illegally (escaping or promoted to the majors is best left unstated), look Russians !!!!eleventy!!

[daddy]

Experts used lasers to send beams of light from an aircraft to the ground below to build up a map of the area

They discovered a lost pyramid city known as Angamuco built by the Purépecha, rivals to the Aztecs

Miss Marple,

I think in not my next life (the one where I come back as Trump with the Playboy Bunny) but in my life after that I want to come back as an Astronaut Archeologist who uses Laser style stuff to beam down and uncover lost civilizations.

Then in my life after that I want to come back as the pickle maker at Shapiro's.

Cool link. Thanks!

[narcis o]

Yes specially after that 2009 PAC speech, where he stood in for Ron Paul.

[daddy]

I never thought Nap was particularly smart.

Shhhh, Clarice. He's "smoking 'em' out!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

daddy,

You are welcome!

When are you due in town in March?

[daddy]

Judge Nap reads the 37 page Indictment and thinks the unnamed "co-conspirators" could be Jared Kushner or Donald Trump Jr.

Sundance reads the 37 page indictment and concludes this:

Example: “unwitting Trump campaign official” is really – A single New York volunteer campaign worker agreed to give some signs to a pro-Trump rally.

Different Strzok's for different folks!

[Captain Hate]

The Ewok vs "Fabulous Mullah" Brennan:

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=373896

[henry]

Daddy, I read the indictment and saw three low level campaign dudes in the Florida organization. My thought, they subverted the Mar a Lago vIP Parking attendants.

[RattlerGator]

Apparently, Judge Nap -- him no hear Rosenstein. Him nappin' too much.

[daddy]

Miss Marple,

I'm in Indy on 21 March and 29 March, a Wednesday and a Thursday, but those are probably lousy days for other folks so please don't work out an Indy Rendezvous just due to my schedule. Your town is plenty fun for weekends. As always, I am flexible.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Well, daddy, my sister the DEMOCRAT wants to meet you! LOL!

I don't think so. (I had to endure 5 minutes of the wonderfulness of Michelle Obama today on the phone, so I don't think you would have an enjoyable time.)

I am always up for lunch, and anyone who wants to meet for either date is always welcome.

By then I will be done with medical tests and hopefully cleared to drive, so that I can buy a damn car!

[Captain Hate]

I'm retired and so will be Buckeye so any day works for me.

[Texas Liberty Gal]

"I never thought Nap was particularly smart" Me either Clarice! Everytime he appears on FNC I immediately turn it off. Can't stand his demeanor or know it all attitude which is a big turnoff. He gives me a huge case of the "yucks"

[daddy]

If anybody is able to provide a link to any song on this Album I'd be much obliged:

[Captain Hate]

I had to endure 5 minutes of the wonderfulness of Michelle Obama today on the phone

I think that could cause temporary amnesia.

[Threadkiller]

His[Romney] statement on immigration could refer to the amnesty being offered to 1.8 million DACA persons

Maryrose, does it bother you that Romney's first campaign ad is ambiguous?

[Extraneus]

I know this a-hole is easy pickings, but...

Cillizza brought up Trump’s previous assertion that email hacking could have been done by Russia, China, “guy sitting on their bed who weighs 600 pounds,” and said, “this, um, didn’t age well.”

Here's his tweet.

This, um, didn't age well https://t.co/DX8f7z0gd6

— Chris Cillizza (@CillizzaCNN) February 16, 2018

Gets clobbered, since he obviously didn't read the indicment, which said nothing about hacking.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/16/chris-cillizza-mueller-indictment/

[daddy]

Judge Napolitano: ...we do know this was a large, broad, professionally run, well organized, well financed effort to subvert the Presidential Election...It could only have come from the Kremlin itself.

Ace Of Spades: the RUSSIANS spent a whole $150,000 on FaceBook ads.

[Jane]

NO PROBLEM DADDY! It only tool $7 million to catch them.

[Captain Hate]

Mueller must be ready to indict Stedman after reading his dumbass tweets.

[daddy]

Well, daddy, my sister the DEMOCRAT wants to meet you! LOL!

Ha, Miss M:) Wish I was working that trip with the astronaut. He'd be somebody actually worth meeting. But me? Nah:)

BTW,

When is Gretchen and daughter in England? Next month, or summertime?

[Jane]

"As I recall, Romney has been commenting against the Trump administration since the inauguration."

Is that true? I've seen nothing from him in the last year.

Rocco, Dave, did you think Mitt was a good governor?

[narcis o]

Well daddy is a great raconteur with his travels all around the world, accounts of the three dogs.

[Extraneus]

Can’t Let It Go: CNN Hung Up on Collusion Despite Mueller Indictments

After chiding how the White House had “latched onto” “the fact” that a few Trump campaign aids unwittingly worked with Russians, Brown wondered to White House Correspondent Sara Murray: “So you can imagine that the White House would want to come out and say, ‘look, doesn't this show there's no collusion?’ But can they come out and say that?”

“Well, I don't think we can take this to mean there is no collusion in anything that Mueller is looking at,” Murray insisted. “Now that does not mean that there's no part of Mueller's investigation that has not found some kind of collusion.”

Tears must be dripping down ugly faces right now.

Murray seemed to take issue with Rosenstein stating that the outcome of the election wasn’t stolen from Hillary Clinton by outside forces and seemed perturbed that it helped Trump’s argument. “Unclear to me how he feels like he can draw that conclusion based on this kind of interference,” she questioned. “But that is certainly something that will resonate with the President. Because he has viewed these Russian investigations a way to undermine his victory from day one.”

[sob]

[Another Bob]

Maryrose, on a couple topics I've given up replying to you. But I just have to...

It is NOT Trump's job to "win over" Romney.

Romney claims to be a republican, and Donald John Trump is POTUS and titular head of that party.

It's Romney's job to bend the knee and get with the program, or STFD and STFU.

Full stop.

[Extraneus]

Later in the show, Brown trotted out media reporter Brian Stelter and touted how the indictment destroyed Trump’s arguments about the Russia investigation. “Brian, not only does this completely blow up the president's, quote, hoax argument but the conservative media that echoes him,” she praised. “Of course, the White House will say the President is talking about collusion when he says it’s a hoax, not Russian meddling, but that distinction hasn’t really been made.”

“I think his tweet from a few minutes ago shows that he's still not taking this all that seriously. This is the kind of attack from another country that merits a prime-time address. That was true a year ago. It's still true today,” Stelter self-righteously declared. “This is the kind of behavior by Russian propagandists that demand a forceful government response. And we're not seeing it from the President.”

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Gretchen and her daughter are going to England in the fall. Did she tell you they were staying on a canal boat? Pretty adventurous for her!

She and her daughter both love museums. While I like them, I am sort of the "hit the highlights and anything that looks interesting" type.

She is the "read every label in every case in every room" type. When we were in Canterbury, I spent a lot of time smoking on the sidewalks while waiting for her to finish. Sometimes I would hit a nearby shop and do some purchasing. LOL!

Her daughter is just like her, though, so they should have a swell time.

[Another Bob]

Anyone bother figuring out where the money came from when Obama magically omitted the country limitations on credit card donations?

I don't recall any presidential address over that foreign meddling.

[Davod]

"This is the kind of attack from another country that merits a prime-time address."

Obama heard about it before the 2016 election "Tweet, tweet, tweet"

[maryrose]

Jane:
I agree.
TK:
Saw the ad twice.
Nothing ambiguous about it and no mention of President Trump at all.I thought it was a good presentation of how he would represent Utah.The people in Utah will figure out who will best represent them in Congress.
I have to concentrate on getting rid of Sherri’s Brown of Ohio.

[Buckeye]

Ed, if your around, glad you liked the Sierra Hull video.

You are right, to vocal mix was not as good as it should be. Surprising, as Paste usually does top shelf recordings.

Here are three talented gals whose vocals are just right, and sound fantastic together.

https://youtu.be/9zITEAK1i0k

[Extraneus]

James Damore loses NLRB claim against Google

This is different from the class action suit, but worth reading. (Prof. Jacobson)

[maryrose]

AnotherBob:
Sorry you are unable to reply on certain topics.
As leader President Trump has an obligation to rally his troops and inspire them to get on board with his agenda.
That is what true leaders do instinctively.
To order someone to sit down and shut up is ludicrous and ineffective,a tactic Putin would use. President Trump needs his fellow Republicans to support him and not kiss his ring.
I disagree wholeheartedly with your post.
Full stop.

[Extraneus]

The federal labor enforcement agency said James Damore’s memo was not protected speech as Damore claimed but rather constituted sexual harassment, so the company was right to fire him.

[maryrose]

Bend the knee is a Game if Thrones tagline.
We don’t have servants and masters in the United States.

[maryrose]

Should be of.

[Extraneus]

To order someone to sit down and shut up is ludicrous and ineffective

Nobody is ordering anyone to do anything, much less sit down and shut up. If Romney can't get right with the leader of his party, without being told to do so, he's an insurgent. A saboteur.

Btw, I'm assuming that's exactly what he is and that he still has visions of running for president, and will replace Flake, McCain, Corker and their ilk as the within-party opposisiton, because he just doesn't like the smell of Trump or some of the rest of us.

[henry]

Noticing men and women are different is sexual harassment. Could the NLRB lawyer lady describe a thought that isn't sexual harassment?

[DebinGA]

I see no reason for Mueller to drop this news today other than a cowardly, supremely selfish effort to draw attention from the FBI's unbelievable dereliction of duty unveiled in the FL school massacre. Can't imagine what those FL parents feel seeing their tragedy pushed aside to make room for Mueller's cya announcement.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

You know what I wonder?

If that Rowan Farrow story of the Playboy Bunny & Trump was coordinated to appear right when Mitt announced, being as how he's all virtuous and all.

[Rocco]

Jane, I thought Romney was a good governor and I said a lot of good things about him. But he showed his true colors when he attacked Trump as a con man, a fraud and a phony. I thought he was above that but now I think he's part of the coup, maybe even a founding member. Wasn't he the leader of the party until Trump won?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Mark Knoller
‏Verified account @markknoller
23m23 minutes ago

At Broward Health North Hospital, Pres and Mrs Trump visited with school shooting patients and medical personnel. Pres said students making "incredible recovery." And says doctors and first responders had done an incredible job.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

If you right click on the above photo, you will see Malnia there, too, and she looks drained.

Picture link for those on tablets:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWMj8WNVwAAFUKe.jpg

[sbw]

If Mitt Romney gets elected and reveals himself to be the GOPe/Chamber a** I suspect he will be, I think I’ll refer to him as “mr” in honor of maryrose.

[Jack is Back! (On SW 461 to MCO)]

From 32,000’ we are headed home at 515mph ground speed. Frederick always sits away from me or his Mom. All the way in the back😊

Mitt lost me when he let Crowley and Zippy shut him down. Wonder what Xi and Putin would do too such a weak kneed POTUS. Not my cup of tea but then I don’t have the Utah vote.

Hope this goes through since the Wi-Fi is iffy but I did watch the USA v Denmark curling😇

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Sorry for the typo misspelling Melania's name.

[maryrose]

Extraneus and MM:
Stunned by your posts.
Rocco: Bygones.Romney was an effective leader as Governor of your state. He can do a good job as a Senator in my opinion.
I understand many disagree.

[DebinGA]

Mitt fully intends a "third time's the charm" run in 2020 imo. I doubt he's aware of the R base's animus toward him, or care if he did.

[Dave (in MA)]

Driving around in wife's car a short time ago and flipping through channels on the waste of money satellite radio I caught "ditched her husband and got onto Air Force One in the wake of reports that he had an affair" *click*. I glanced at the screen and you'll never guess what channel it said it was on.

[maryrose]

SBW:
What if Romney is elected and becomes President Trump’s go to man in the Senate to get things done?
What will you call him then? Romney is a practical man and once again NO he is not going to challenge President Trump in 2020.

[Dave (in MA)]

Jane, he was preceded by Swifty and succeeded by Peewee Patrick, so it's all relative.

[maryrose]

JOB:
Who won the Curling match?