School Shootings

Somewhat surprisingly, the WaPo debunks a widely cited nightmare stat from Mike Bloomberg's gun control group. What's next, a reality-based discussion about how to deal with gun violence?

I'll say this - sort of like Nixon-to-China, Trump will have more sway on gun control than Obama. Gun control also takes Trump back to his roots as a NYC Republican, which is to say, a liberal. In 2000 he favored an "assault weapons" ban, although that whole notion is so phony I'll allow that maybe he just got himself up to speed on that issue.

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[henry]

But what does that really entail? How is it obtained? Does a judge sign off? Either way it takes time and labor.

Patriot Act. No judge needed, IP address is meta data. Simple button push.

And do not confuse my describing this with condoning it.

[Threadkiller]

Short step to arresting people for speech

This is a jump you are making which I am not presenting.

If some dude was on the street corner and said "I'm going to rob a jewelry store," and it was overhead by someone at the bus stop who reports it, should an inquisitive police officer be hamstrung because that is free speech?

Free speech isn't without consequences. And not all consequences are strictly suppression of speech.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

The NY Post notes the guy says demonic voices told him to do what he did, which, if true, essentially confirms he is almost certainly schizophrenic.
However as an illustration of how personality and other factors influence behavior, my son believes the voices he hears pretty much every waking moment are demons telling him all sorts of bad stuff. But he's about one tenth as likely to go on a shooting rampage as I am simply because he is a peaceful soul.
In fact, during the only real psychotic break he has ever had, he began to believe the voices were angels and so he no longer believed them to be lying to him. Result? Son walking down public street buck-tooth nekkid with dad trailing him trying to direct 911 dispatch to his location and making sure he doesn't get shot or wander out into traffic.

[Stephanie Nene Not your normal Grandma]

The school knew enough to ban him from campus WITH A BACKPACK. Now exactly what threat did the school assume that would require that action?

I'm not saying the FBI investigate every "threat," but that stuff the FBI comes across that can be pushed down to the local LEOs should be - particularly when it is someone saying they want to be the next school shooter or the next bomber - how many threats are braggart threats as opposed to vague threats? A lot of people might get vaguely threatening on the net, but a specific threat that is that public and that much of a 'painting the target on your own back' warrants pushing it to the people that can judge whether someone needs intervention. It was a cry for help just as much as a suicider going around saying they are going to suicide.

Just investigating and closing the case is insufficient. The one extra step of identifying the IP address and pushing it to that jurisdiction would have been enough to get it to people who had more insight into whether the threat was credible. They didn't even need to match the name to an actual person, just to the locale of IP origination who could have connected the dots... he was on the radar there where it would have been ADDITIONAL evidence that he might be a problem.

[Threadkiller]

"Before Nikolas Cruz carried out his mass killing at a Florida high school this week, police responded to his home 39 times over a seven-year period, according to disturbing new documents."

There is the dot connecting future crime people look for. If they bother to look..

[Marlene]

Good Morning! During the dog walk,I had some thoughts going thru my mind about schools,police and stupid parents. On Valentines Day,parents brought home baked goodies to a daycare center in Bangor. This story has been on the Bangor Daily website since then,because about a dozen teachers became woozy after eating alleged marijuana laced cookies. This daycare is actually an early childhood intervention program for children,birth thru five years old. (paging rse)
Seven (!) Bangor police officers responded to the call from the daycare center. They confiscated the baked goods for testing. None of the children had access to the baked goods. If the cookies test positive,then the idiot parent who did this is in trouble. We wonder why a child five years old or younger is in an intervention daycare situation with a parent or guardian who would pull a stunt like this.

[narcis o]

Just like the housing complex in Sanford, there had been 400 calls over a span of years, yet the association chose a makeshift solution.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

If the cops went to his house 37 times it would seem that contact with and attention paid by LE was not the problem.
My son confessed to any number of vile crimes once the deputies showed up that he never committed. Should he have been arrested and kept on their radar for years lest he actually commit them?
Some problems do not submit to practical solution.

[Stephanie Nene Not your normal Grandma]

The school kicked him out for his behavior there, but he hadn't done anything illegal. What comes next that doesn't violate his rights?

Why do you assume he hadn't done anything illegal?

As a spouse of an ex teacher, I can tell you that it is damned difficult to get a kid suspended much less expelled from a school. It has to be something damned damning and enough of a threat that the school board will go along with an expulsion. Attacking a teacher generally won't even warrant expulsion nor will dealing drugs. BUT THIS KID WAS EXPELLED. It had to be something pretty farking bad to get the school board to back that action.

[Ralph L]

Any chance Cruz was responsible for his parents deaths? That often happens on Criminal Minds.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I suspect he was expelled after a long string of incidents and misbehavior not one single event.

[Marlene]

I also was thinking about one day when I brought the daughter to school and walking down the hall,saw the principal shove a sixth grade boy against the wall,reading him the riot act. This would have been in the early 1980s. It didn't bother me in the least. If a sixth grader was acting out,he should have known better. How old is sixth grade,12 years old? The principal's wife drove a school bus and the kids knew if you rode Mrs.G's bus,then,you'd better behave.

[henry]

It seems just the threat is enough for an arrest in WI.

http://fox6now.com/2018/02/15/oak-creek-police-student-arrested-after-threat-made-to-harm-those-at-their-school/

[Threadkiller]

Some problems do not submit to practical solution.

I totally agree. And there is no way to know how a 38th visit from the FBI might have changed things. It probably wouldn't have, unless they have some sort different abilities to assess the guy and advise local LE. Maybe they would have found more proactive IP free speech that had details that would be more concerning.

It is tough to believe that Cruz only made one comment of this nature on an obscure bail bondsman's YouTube.

[DebinGA]

Iirc the FL shooter was expelled for beating up his ex's boyfriend, probably the last straw of many similar events. If he was designated Special Ed, admin hands would be seriously tied.

[maryrose]

This was a big school with over 3200 kids.
Back in the early 90’s I worked in a public high school of similar size.
We had security officers present with guns.
Never a problem.

[Old Lurker]

fdcol: "As Porch and others have mentioned, none of us wants to live in the police state in which the government has the manpower and resources to protect us from ALL threats,"

Wake up, Bro. The State already has that power and ability (why does every agency seem to have millions of bullets) and what about your digital life and tracking life and financial life do you think they do not have already.

The only thing is, until now they use those powers to empower and enrich themselves at the expense of our freedoms and liberties.

[Marlene]

My school teacher sister-in-law has been told by parents they are afraid of their kids. These kids are sent to school,cause disruption and the teachers are helpless. She's had kids act out in class and she can't lift a finger. She once had a girl freak out in class,run to the girl's bathroom and curl up in a fetal position.This is in a middle school in northern Maine. Small town or big city,this is a problem.

[Bori]

The whole thing stinks but there is blame to go around. First with the Obama administration and their insistence that problematic kids be dealt with at school.

The family who apparently, based on the early reports did not seek help for this young man.

The local authorities who visited the home almost 40 times and yet the guy did not have a record, thus allowing to keep purchasing weapons.

The FBI for at not identifying and instructing the local LEs that Cruz was threatening to do what he did.

Social services where the hell were they?

Blaming the FBI seems like a stretch but there were so many failures along the way. Ironically, this is not the first time as other mass shooters benefited from these types of failures.

[Stephanie Nene Not your normal Grandma]

Still wouldn't warrant expulsion, Iggy. It is extremely difficult to get an expulsion that the school board will go along with. Their general method is moving a kid to an alternative school and even there it is damned difficult to get an expulsion that is granted.

Schools are full of gangs and known gang members and those 'students' are not even expelled. Even those that have been convicted and spent even some time in jail. AND the schools can't publicize to the other kids or parents that you might want to avoid X as he's a bad egg.

It's all about mainstreaming and keeping the kid in class no matter how much he doesn't belong there.

No one wants their kid in a class with known gang members, but that's the point... they aren't known to the parents of the other kids cause... privacy.

MS-13 is in schools.. and proudly wearing their tats and other identifiers and the school boards don't keep them out.

Yet the school will 'punish' kids for bringing a plastic knife for lunch to school or for pantsing someone as a joke and suspend them for 'sexual abuse' for that action even if they are besties and joking around (happened to a friend of mine's kid).

Perspective is sorely lacking in schools so they don't even try. It's judgemental to rank one 'behaviour' as worse than another, so you have an administration full of zombies who can't id a threat if it shot them with a gun.

[fdcol63 🇺🇸]

"Wake up, Bro. The State already has that power and ability (why does every agency seem to have millions of bullets) and what about your digital life and tracking life and financial life do you think they do not have already."

Oh, it now seems so quaint that I used to worry that Big Brother was going to force us to all be microchipped with RFIDs.

LOL. That's not necessary now since we've all been conditioned to VOLUNTARILY carry the greatest surveillance tools ever developed - GPS-enabled smartphones that serve as real-time video, audio and text recording devices, on which we all willingly help Big Brother record our personal communications and map out our relationships and social media contacts through FB, Twitter and SnapChat.

[Old Lurker]

Yep, fdcol.

And yet the gummint wants Apple et al to make it even easier for the gummint to open your device from afar.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Back from breakfast with my long-time (from high school) best friend, who is dealing with getting her 93-year old father into a nursing facility. He needs help dressing due to frozen shoulder joints and is on a walker.

I don't know how it is in other states but he cannot have more than $2000 total to qualify for medicaid. She is going to pre-pay funeral expenses and other things (including $6000 for attorney fees) and she still doesn't know where he will go. It's very frustrating and hard work. Plus, she still doesn't know if she's doing the right thing.

Brought home leftover sausage gravy and biscuits so the dogs are happy! HA!

[JimNorCal]

Do not panic!
Global warming science is NOT collapsing into incoherence.
Again, do not panic.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article200169249.html
Despite warming temperatures in much of the world, winters in the Southeast have grown colder in recent decades, an anomaly that scientists are calling a “hole” in global warming, or a “warming hole.”

[Threadkiller]

(why does every agency seem to have millions of bullets)

That reminded me of this Obama era story:

Despite the Department of Homeland Security recently putting in orders to purchase billions of rounds of hollow point ammunition for a purpose of what officials say is target practice, training and quarterly qualifications, Border Patrol agents were told yesterday afternoon that they will not be issued any new proficiency ammunition for next quarter.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/04/05/border-patrol-now-experiencing-an-ammunition-shortage-n1558916

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
41m41 minutes ago

I will be leaving for Florida today to meet with some of the bravest people on earth - but people whose lives have been totally shattered. Am also working with Congress on many fronts.
8,620 replies 4,580 retweets 22,185 likes

[Barack Obama]

Warming Hole was my pet name for Reggie.

[Beasts of England]

A 'warming hole' - that sounds really, really, science-y!!

[Old Lurker]

Can't make it up:

" New York state would make it illegal for police officers to have sex with people in their custody under a proposal gaining momentum in Albany. "

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
39m39 minutes ago

Cannot believe how BADLY DACA recipients have been treated by the Democrats...totally abandoned! Republicans are still working hard.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Jack Posobiec
🇺🇸
‏Verified account @JackPosobiec
21m21 minutes ago

Utah GOP chairman slams Mitt Romney Senate run: He's doing what Hillary Clinton did in New York

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

We have met the enemy, fdcol, and he is us that rat fink Steve Jobs. :)

[jimmyk]

It only seems like a separate issue in hindsight after we have matched up a comment with a person and a crime.

No, it's separate: One can say that it's ok take certain actions (bring in for questioning, submit them to a psych evaluation, etc.) in response to their statements and threats on a public forum, but as a practical matter it's impossible because there are so many. Or, one can say that even if there were only one, it's not appropriate to do anything until they actually commit a crime. You seem to be saying the second thing, which is fine (I don't agree, but I understand the point). But then the first point is really a red herring.

No one is talking about having a totalitarian state. It's a question of where lines are drawn.

[fdcol63 🇺🇸]

"We have met the enemy, fdcol, and he is us that rat fink Steve Jobs. :)"

Ig, just think what happens when EVERY car is a self-driving vehicle, controlled by Google or Elon Musk ... and Big Brother.

No privacy AND no freedom of movement.

[jimmyk]

Then he starts. It was the most amazing ice skating performance I have ever seen. Just about perfect. Amazing, clean, incredible.

Jane, there was a similar event the night before in the pairs skating. One after another were doing ok, but invariably messing up one or two moves. Then Savchenko--in her 5th, and presumably last, Olympics--and Massot came out and gave a flawless amazing performance, highest score ever.

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

" New York state would make it illegal for police officers to have sex with people in their custody under a proposal gaining momentum in Albany. "

OL,

I wonder who the hold-out's are and why?

[Ralph L]

Obama bought the bullets to raise the price/decrease availability for everyone else.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Fascinating stuff to me;
Giant Magellan Telescope being built in Chile, mirrors cast, ground and polished in Arizona.
Most interesting thing is the snippet about the new James Webb Space Telescope to replace the Hubble.
Think of it; in a few years we will have the Webb Hubble Space Telescopes in orbit. The Clintons! You can't even escape them in space!

[James D.]

The only thing is, until now they use those powers to empower and enrich themselves at the expense of our freedoms and liberties.

They also use those powers to attack political opponents, and, sometimes, folks they've taken a personal dislike to (remember the stories of NSA employees using their vast survaillance tools to keep tabs on ex-girlfriends, etc).

If the FBI (and LE generally) was squeaky-clean, then I would agree with the arguments of porch and others.

But we have seen - over and over and over and over - that these organizations are perfectly willing to break the laws and abuse their power for political ends, for criminal ends, and sometimes seemingly just out of boredom or peevishness.

Given that, if they're willing to break laws, rules and principles to harass, steal from, or ruin folks they don't like, then I don't think it's unreasonable to ask why they didn't take that same approach to stop somebody who actually IS the kind of person we pay them to stop.

[Old Lurker]

"No privacy AND no freedom of movement."

Small thing perhaps. Taxpayers paid for I66 inside the Washington Beltway 10-20 years ago. Just a few miles in length. Then it got crowded during rush hours. A few months ago they made using that road during rush hours a "paid fare" toll road, and the fare must be paid via eZpass and the amount varies with the amount of traffic. Last week the fare peaked at $42 one way.

So a) they know where you were driving, and b) they deny you access by making it crazy expensive.

Just one tiny example of "where we at".

[Captain Hate]

Utah GOP chairman slams Mitt Romney Senate run: He's doing what Hillary Clinton did in New York

We need MOAR MUTT ROMBLEY said no one ever. He's had a very successful life and needs to enjoy his golden years with his family and away from politics.

[maryrose]

Jane and Jimmyk:
Saw both performances and they were wonderful.
I also enjoyed seeing the Swedish woman win the Women’s skiing event even though an American was favored to win.
The Swedish gal is in her thirties and had never won gold.
Skeleton remains for me the most dangerous event.

[Old Lurker]

James "They also use those powers to attack political opponents,"

Covered by my "empower and enrich themselves".

[James D.]

New York state would make it illegal for police officers to have sex with people in their custody under a proposal gaining momentum in Albany

The fact that they have to pass a law on that subject really speaks to how effed up things are, doesn't it?

If you have to tell a cop that he's not allowed to screw the person he's got in handcuffs in the back of his police cruiser, he probably shouldn't be a cop in the first place.

It's like the prosecutors in the Sullivan case who weren't disciplined because they weren't instructed that they were supposed to obey the law.

[maryrose]

He is an excellent candidate with a wealth of experience as a Governor of a major state.
There are many former governors that are currently serving as Senators.
Romney will be a conservative force in the Senate.
Just because he is not best buds with President Trump doesn’t mean he can’t be effective😄

[Old Lurker]

"Skeleton remains for me the most dangerous event."

Maryrose, when my wife saw some of that, not knowing the name of the event she asked me "what do they call it when you ride a luge head first" (She just wanted the name "skeleton")

My immediate response was "Stupid. Ask Darwin".

[maryrose]

If left to his devices Republican chair in Utah might decide to promote McMuffin and then where would we be?

[Old Lurker]

"The fact that they have to pass a law on that subject really speaks to how effed up things are, doesn't it?"

As you know, that was precisely why I posted it.

[Ralph L]

OL, wasn't that stretch of I66 HOV during rush hour from the get-go? Is it now plus tolls? I remember it took years of lawsuits which restricted it to 2 lanes each way. Fools.

[jimmyk]

“Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing is frowned upon.”

[Ralph L]

Rush hour(s): 3 in the morning, 3 in the afternoon.

[Neo]

Since when does the media report headlines like ...

ABC: California Rep. Waters not facing corruption charges

[Momto2]

YUCK!

One notable line included what appears to be a subtle jab at President Donald Trump: “Utah welcomes legal immigrants from around the world. Washington send immigrants a message of exclusion.”

The apparent attack on the Trump administration’s immigration policy could serve as a window into how Romney will campaign and potentially serve in Washington.

https://www.westernjournal.com/mitt-romneys-first-senate-ad-is-a-not-so-subtle-jab-at-trump-video/

[Extraneus]

We need MOAR MUTT ROMBLEY said no one ever.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/16/paul-ryan-couldnt-be-happier-that-mitt-romney-for-u-s-senate/

[Janet 🚬 - I wish my family had a poncho]

Screw Romney. I hope he loses.

[Buckeye]

This was a big school with over 3200 kids.
Back in the early 90’s I worked in a public high school of similar size.
We had security officers present with guns.
Never a problem.

Back in the 60s, I went to a high school about half that size.

We had a gym teacher with arms the size of tree trunks.

When we got outta line, he lined us up in the gym and told us to grab our ankles and lit our asses up with "the board of education".

Rarely took more than a second dose of that medicine.

Never a problem.

[glasater]

Just under ten minutes, Sharyl Attkisson has a very good video explaining..

the origins of Fake News

.

[simply stupid]

Just like the Texas church massacre, you can have all the rules prohibiting gun sales to certain individuals but if the people required to put the names on the prohibited list do not do their jobs what are the laws good for. Called 39 times to house and he was still able to purchase a gun . How is that possible? Also where are the parents to confiscate the guns or alert LE that the deranged person has access to a gun like The Ct shooting where the mother took him to gun practice.

[Buckeye]

Just because he is not best buds with President Trump doesn’t mean he can’t be effective😄

Like he was debating Obama??

[Old Lurker]

OK, example #2.

Bear with me. A few years ago a telcom company wanted to build a 130' monopole at the tiny residentially zoned volunteer firehouse next door on a corner they would rent from the fire station. That required under the county law at the time a "Special Exception" approved by the "Board of Zoning Appeals". We objected and we won because the tower was deemed not compatible with the residential character of the neighborhood. Duh.

Happened all over the county. So the telcoms got the law changed to permit such towers "By Right" but when the citizens groups (I was president of ours at the time) got wind of that we went crazy so the proposed law was changed to "in some commercial and industrial zones...but new towers in residential zones would require the old special exception process" so we all calmed down.

Fast forward to today. County itself now wants to rent that same corner from the same fire station to install a 185' monopole in exactly the same spot denied before. Not so fast says I...I tasked my land use lawyer to shut it down dead in its tracks.

Yesterday he tells me that in another case EXACTLY like mine, the county put a tower on an identical lot on another fire station...the OL in that neighborhood took them to court where he lost at all three levels with the highest court in MD ruling that "the county is under no obligation to abide by its own zoning rules".

Bizarro world or what?

I'm going to sue them anyway and to make James happy, I am suing the Board of Directors of the firehouse (an independant corporation) just because.

Stay tuned for future entertainment.

[Old Lurker]

Right you are Ralph.

[Captain Hate]

The Uniparty supports keeping the same tired faces in power so that the ruling class is a bunch of octogenarians. This is why an outsider is President. The stupidity yesterday in the Senate on immigration highlighted that.

[simply stupid]

Buckeye did you see Romney commercial with bringing Utah values to Washington and embracing immigrants Let him make his Mormon tracks elsewhere. Replacing the Maverick as biggest Never trumper and biggest jerk and he really does not see the ground shifting under him.

[sbw]

bringing Utah values to Washington

Um, where has Romney lived all these years?

And how do you know he won’t bring Massachusetts values to Washington?

[Captain Hate]

We wouldn't even be having this Romney discussion except for the stupid 17th Amendment.

[clarice]

Are Utah Values like Pelosi's SF values?

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

We just got a Fed Ex package saying that we are a Nielsem family.

At last! My opportunity to screw with the media!

[simply stupid]

Well CNN ran snippet of it https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/02/16/mitt-romney-utah-senate-run-ad-announcement-haberman-sot-newday.cnn/video/playlists/mitt-romney/

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

My grandfather was the sponsor at our high school for the school's Sportsman's Club. To belong, guys had to own a rifle and a shotgun.

They brought their guns to school and would go bird-hunting in the farm fields after school.

My daughter refused to believe it until my brother-in-law vouched for me - he was a member.

[Neo]

Billionaire investor George Soros says social media companies, particularly Facebook and Google, are becoming "obstacles to innovation" as they have become too powerful and should be broken up. While often playing an "innovative and liberating role," the companies are deceiving users "by manipulating their attention" and "deliberately engineering addiction" to their services, Soros wrote on opinion website Project Syndicate.

... these are not the "social media companies" you are looking for ...

[Buckeye]

MM

Does it come with a prepaid super-duper free cable subscription?

Might be worth asking:)

[simply stupid]

Utah Values https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/964489491682504704 let him stay with his grandchildren

[fdcol63 🇺🇸]

I worry anytime I agree with Soros.

[simply stupid]

Utah Values https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/964489491682504704

Let him spend more time with his grandchildren.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Eric Trump
‏Verified account @EricTrump
26m26 minutes ago

.#MarineOne landing at #MaraLago. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/964532531566653441

Cool short video plus i is cheerful to see blue skies - it's been gray here for days.

[Captain Hate]

I worry anytime I agree with Soros.

He's just lurching around like a senile fool struggling to explain why his bankrupt policies are being roundly rejected even though the software he's railing against gave him preferential treatment.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/16/mitt-romney-senate-attacks-trump/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social

[Marlene]

Romney also lives in California and New Hampshire. He'll have all kinds of values to use,depending on the issue. :)

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/16/mitt-romney-makes-it-official-utah-senate-candidate/

The Treehouse is not enthused.

[rich]

didn't finish catch up but wanted to comment on Porchlight's responses

-the Secret Service receives and investigates all manner of threats. they even paid Griffin a visit for her performance art ...

-the Mississippi field office could have referred it to the Miami field office and the Miami field office could have referred it to Broward County Sheriff's Office (other school shooting have been prevented because of either social media postings and journal writings)

-authorities there in Florida could have developed the probably cause based just on his comment (fire in a crowded theater) and behavior leading to his expulsion

[Barack Obama]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/16/ice-arrests-212-illegals-la-sweep/

If screen name "José Jiménez" posts on YouTube that he is an illegal working for a company in LA, should his right to privacy not be infringed upon?

[simply stupid]

Basic question how was he able to purchase the gun with LE having gone to his house 39 times why was he not in some database and the FBI linked to that database when the Mississippi bondsman offered the tip.

[Beasts of England]

Is Romney's dog still alive?

[JimNorCal]

My cousin is a deaconess in a Methodist(?) church and posted a treacly, outraged, moral high horse anti-gun link on FaceBook.

Sigh.

I've been trying to think of an analogy that might break through.

Here are my first two thoughts, but I wonder if one of the more word crafty JOMers would be willing to improve ....

If an illegal from Mexico murders someone, should your FIRST action be the deportation of everyone in the US who was born in Mexico and is here legally?

If a drunk driver kills someone in a car crash, should your FIRST action be to seize vehicles from everyone who has no tickets or accidents in the past 5 years?

Because the gun moaners, if you probe deeply enough, believe that when a shooting spree occurs, the FIRST action to be taken is to make guns illegal for law abiding citizens who have no gun related crimes on their record. That, and to condemn innocent gun owners for having the audacity of wanting to own a gun in the first place.

[Threadkiller]

I was about to say that same thing, Barack.

[simply stupid]

As to anonmom 5:15 https://twitter.com/KGBTechnoFrog/status/964346048943706118
He is wrong since Sessions asked ethics about recusal back in January and who exactly is doing the ethics clearance at DOJ someone like Painter and his CREW.(pun intended)

[Janet 🚬 - I wish my family had a poncho]

People shooting at me seems to be a very poor reason to disarm myself.
Sincerely,
America

[Threadkiller]

Jim, I would post this with zero comments or personal opinions:

An attack by knife-wielding men at a railway station in Kunming in south-west China has left at least 29 dead, the state news agency Xinhua says.
Another 130 people were wounded in what authorities said was a "premeditated, violent terrorist attack".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367

Trust me. He will tongue tie himself without you saying a word.

[Buckeye]

My grandfather was the sponsor at our high school for the school's Sportsman's Club. To belong, guys had to own a rifle and a shotgun.

One of my doctor buddies taught marksmanship classes to Boy Scouts. Still does. Usually after school, so they brought their firearms to school and left them in the Principal's office until class was out. This was 40 years ago.

Shooting range was in the basement of the Police Station.

Never a problem.

[Old Lurker]

"One of my doctor buddies taught marksmanship classes to Boy Scouts."

I recall dreaming Dad would give me the rifle and bullets Remington used to advertise in Boy's Life.

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

Got my first Romney fundraising email and immediately scrolled down and click "unsubscribe me":)

I am going long in the Cranium Replacement market as Trump visits Parkland and the school families. The left, led by Morning Joke, head's will explode.

[simply stupid]

I am always a skeptic and try to make connections of facts that occur somewhat contemporaneous. Gerald Seib was discussing the Trump administration giving North Korea a bloody nose https://www.wsj.com/articles/amid-signs-of-a-thaw-in-north-korea-tensions-bubble-up-1515427541 and it seems that Trump blodied Russia's nose in Syria https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/world/europe/russia-syria-dead.html and Israel did the same to Iran in Syria https://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21737044-brink-and-back-israel-and-iran-square-syria that is why the upswing in the stock market. Opponenets of Trump and the US were shorting the market last week in anticipation of their victories and lo and behold they got their asses kicked.

[jimmyk]

On the shooting, I suspect most of us agree that (a) it's a local matter, meaning that the local authorities and the school district have to be the primary actors for any preventive measures; (b) disarming law-abiding citizens and proclaiming schools as gun-free zones are counter-productive; (c) as a practical matter having at least the possibility of armed security at schools (or other barriers) is going to be much more effective than trying to investigate on everyone who might pose a threat.

Still, at some point a verbal or online threat should be taken seriously, and elicit some response. Exactly what that point is is hard to say without more information.

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

I was surprised that there was not an armed school resource officer, especially for a school that size. In fact, more than one for that large a school. And how did he get in? All the schools Frederick has attended have security doors and cameras to see who is calling to get in. If he was so well known to the school, then who let him in?

The school system has a duty to provide for the safety and security of the students while on their property attending classes. What was their security?

[Threadkiller]

How about: "If a deaconess abuses a young member of her ministry, should all deconesses be removed from their ministries?"

[Threadkiller]

Gun Control Advocates Bully Shooting Victim's Father Because He's a Trump Supporter

https://pjmedia.com/trending/gun-control-advocates-bully-shooting-victims-father-hes-trump-supporter/

[Davod]

"Utah's values"?

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

TK,

As I fortold in my 12:13 post. The left are a mental disease disguised as humans.

[Threadkiller]

Yep, JiB. Disgusting people.

[Threadkiller]

Police have enlisted the help of the FBI after an ISIS flag was found in place of an American flag on a Hurricane High School flagpole Thursday morning.

Following hours of investigation, including analysis by federal agents, Police have determined the flag swap was not executed by the infamous terrorist group.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/02/15/vandal-replaces-american-flag-at-utah-high-school-with-isis-flag/

Hours of investigation! I feel safe!