Take it To Court

Per the WaPo, "assault weapons" have not fared well in the courts.

One does wonder, however - what is an assault weapon? This case caught my eye:

Another appeals court considered the issue in April 2015, when the Chicago-based U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit upheld by a 3 to 2 vote an ordinance in Highland Park, Ill., that prohibited possession of assault weapons, which the law defined as “any semiautomatic gun that can accept a large-capacity magazine.”

OK, not an expert but is there some reason a conventional semiautomatic hunting rifle lacking the Federal adornments of an "assault weapon" (1994 version) would NOT be able to accept a large capacity magazine? If Highland has successfully banned ALL semiautomatic rifles, well, that goes far beyond the proposed 'assault weapon' bans kicked up in Congress from time to time.

FWIW, here is a promo piece for deer hunting with an AR-15. But NOT an assault weapon. From the Slate piece linked above, here is the 1994 version of the federal ban:

A semiautomatic rifle was considered an illicit assault weapon, for example, if it featured a detachable magazine, as well as at least two of the following five attributes: a folding or telescopic stock; a conspicuous pistol grip; a bayonet mount; a flash suppressor or threaded barrel (i.e., a barrel that can accommodate a flash suppressor); or a grenade launcher. 

People familiar with the definition, i.e., roughly zero progressives or NY Times editors, don't grasp why adding a flash suppressor and/or bayonet and grenade launcher mount makes a conventional semiautomatic rifle more lethal. But we try to live and learn.

This NY Times explainer and a whiny NY Times article illustrate that removing the cosmetic features to comply with the law is simply "exploiting loopholes". Evidently something else is making an assault rifle an assault rifle, but the best legal minds in America can't put their finger on it. Baffling.

Comments

[daddy]

TM speaking Truth to Power!

[henry]

Correct, large mags fit the same slot as small mags. My hunting rifle is black AR pattern in. 308. I ordered a 5 round cap magazine, but because NY banned larger ones all I could get was a 20. I complained, so they sent 2 of the 20s.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://www.gq.com/story/what-ever-happened-to-brendan-fraser

This is a long, convoluted nterview story about the actor. It caught my eye because when I saw the name, I thought "What DID ever happen to him?" My youngest sister loved him in those early movies of his.

This really doesn't have any political stuff in it except his molestation by a director which the guy denies but I happen to believe. Also, an interesting side story about him adopting a horse he felt was picked on by the other horses. And also the connection his autistic son has to the horse.

Interesting, complex guy.

[Threadkiller]

6 shot assault revolver reload:

https://youtu.be/lLk1v5bSFPw

#ThereShouldBeLaws

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-charged-with-felony-invasion-of-privacy.html

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/sheriff-deputy-never-entered-school-in-florida-shooting

He has resigned.

[Porchlight]

One does wonder, however - what is an assault weapon?

Nobody knows.

[Account Deleted]

The Pubbies goobernatorial gladiator done went flat. Doin' prison time eh? Is that shitebird who stole identities headed for prizzin or court or anything yet?

Cabrones.

[Another Bob]

Thanks for taking my Twitter suggestion TM ;)

Gun control is an example of how the progs have effectively removed themselves from the debate via their plainly extremist (and nonsensical) rhetoric.

The caterwauling about ”training” is also mostly nonsense. Guns are not complex machines - individuals of below-average intelligence can easily be taught to use one. (And real “training” makes an armed individual more likely to be lethal, not less.)

[mad jack]

MM: that story ticks me off to no end but does not surprise me in the least. if you're hired to serve and protect then you better well damn do so when it counts. #$%&@!!!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

mad jack,

It makes the point that armed security isn't necessarily the best answer. I don't know how you screen for coward and lazy.

The President is right about arming teachers who have experience (retired military, etc.) as one part. Another is security provisions like metal detectors.

Long-term i a change in our culture.

[Beasts of England]

If you equip your .308 with the popular chainsaw attachment it becomes an assault weapon whether it has a conspicuous pistol grip or not.

[henry]

Beasts, just as I was oiling my chain.

[mad jack]

i just listened to some female police chief from new hampshire expain on tv that it's the extensive training police get that makes it a bad idea to go with PDT's suggestion that competent and willing teachers be allowed to carry in schools. well if the cops aren't going to go through the door while our kids are getting killed then i'll take my chances with the coach who actually gives a bleep about the kids.

[Beasts of England]

I knew you'd have the chainsaw instead of the bayonet, henry!!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

mad jack,

EXACTLY!!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://twitter.com/USMC/status/965571684445990912

This has a recount from a veteran of Iwo Jima, which started today 73 years ago. Take a time to listen.

[boatbuilder]

I am curious as to the stats on under-21 legal owners of firearms committing murders--is it any higher than the general population? Is the current proposal to summarily deprive an entire class of Americans their constitutional right to bear arms based on the actions of a single depraved individual?

[Captain Hate]

NBC is obviously worried that their Olympic coverage still doesn't make them bigger idiots than CNN:

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=373979

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Captain Hate,

I am mortified that women like that get labeled as speakers for my sex. How horrible that thinking is!

[Account Deleted]

NBC===> n.uthin b.ut c.rap network

[henry]

LOL, Ace has a way with misogyny. Even though it was deserved this once. Hell of a takedown.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Byron York
‏Verified account @ByronYork
2h2 hours ago

.@FoxNews Catherine Herridge reports McCain associate David Kramer took Fifth Amendment to refuse to testify before House Intel Cmte on Trump dossier's Russian sources. More on Kramer and the dossier:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-mccain-associate-subpoenaed-in-trump-dossier-probe/article/2644460?platform=hootsuite

[Paul Zrimsek]

The mystery of Highland Park is easily solved by clicking through to the case and reading what the NYT left out: "The ordinance defines an assault weapon as any semi-automatic gun that can accept a large-capacity magazine and has one of five other features: a pistol grip without a stock (for semiautomatic pistols, the capacity to accept a magazine outside the pistol grip); a folding, telescoping, or thumbhole stock; a grip for the non-trigger hand; a barrel shroud; or a muzzle brake or compensator. Some weapons, such as AR–15s and AK–47s, are prohibited by name."

[Paul Zrimsek]

* What the WaPo left out, that is.

[Account Deleted]

What some have said was the most dignifying and heartfelt tribute to the fallen on Iwo Jima.

http://www.recordsofwar.com/iwo/dead/dead.htm

May God Rest their souls.

I would've like to have known you, Uncle Frank (27th Marines, USN corpsman, KIA).

[jim nj]

Found at Insty:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/our-culture-death-wish-shooting-guns/

Interesting, but a little long.

[Account Deleted]

re the Ace takedown... here was my fav:

"It's called "progress" and "daring," and you're welcome for the electricity you're currently using, Useless Mouth."

I think the U.M. reference now holds the title for poignancy excellence, replacing CH's reference to Curb Dive as "that boozy gash." ;)

[Catsmeat]

Yes, the Horde is very good at slamming stupidity. Am ashamed so many of my sex qualify for the treatment. Don't any of these women LIKE men? Men are in general great.

[Threadkiller]

I think that particular woman identifies as a lezbo.

[Account Deleted]

Awww, hell, Catsmeat. I think you're one in a million, truth be told.

"I'll tell you whut" as one ol' redneck used to say... I used to be embarassed by some men's behavior (before the internet LOL) and then get read the riot act by Mrs. Kid 1.0 (a toxic feminist) as if I had dunnit.

And for awhile there, as the world continued turning upside down in the late 70s, I was ashamed/embarassed. Then Reagan got elected El Presidente and put machismo back on the map.

Never looked back.

Keep enjoying life.

That seems to piss off the harridan lamesses something fierce, as I am sure you've experienced in your necks of the proverbial woods.

Cheers!

Kev

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
8m8 minutes ago

“School shooting survivor says he quit @CNN Town Hall after refusing scripted question.” @TuckerCarlson. Just like so much of CNN, Fake News. That’s why their ratings are so bad! MSNBC may be worse.

[Catsmeat]

Thanks, Kev! You're pretty great your own self.

[Account Deleted]

The "critical interrogation" of male patriarchy--- that's what that narrative is called.

The only map they have is Derrida's "deconstruction" nonsense and Hegel's misapplied dialectic.

There's a nail. Here's my hammer. Here's my hammer. There's a nail. Isn't this fun. Where's my turkey baster? Who needs men? There's a nail....

[Account Deleted]

What a rousing finish to my day shift here on my glorious day off.

Time for the final Anya the Voonder Hoont (that's my street German, Frau.) jaunty trot through the naybuhHood.

Be well!

Kev

[Catsmeat]

Yes, it's nonsense. I gave up on theory by the late 80s and haven't looked back. The turning point was my reading something called Anti-Oedipus which argued (seriously) that Western civ was poisoned by Oedipal issues and that the cure was to embrace schizophrenia (this was a co-authored book by Deleuze and Guattari). I like reason, I like men, I believe in God--there was no way forward for me with such idiocy. No regrets.

[Catsmeat]

am still sick so am going early to bed (again)--be well, all--

[lurkersusie]

Russiagate Revisited « LRB blog

So what is the point of these sham indictments? It is fair to speculate that there is more going on here than a simple search for truth. Early on in the 37-page document that was released to such fanfare, the FBI makes a revealing assertion, claiming that the Russians aimed ‘to sow discord in the US political system’ – as if vigorous debate were not an appropriate state of affairs for a democratic polity; as if the normal expression of democracy is bland conformity to policies fashioned by elites. By explicitly linking the Russians with support for the Sanders and Trump campaigns, Mueller’s pseudo-indictments identify dissent from the Washington consensus with foreign subversion. They reinforce the reigning orthodoxy and tighten the boundaries of permissible public discourse.
The consequences are potentially catastrophic. By focusing on the manufactured menace of Russiagate, the Democratic Party leadership can continue to ignore its own failures as well as the actual menace posed by Trump. And by fostering the fantasy of a vast Russian plot against America, the mainstream media can shut down reasonable foreign policy debate and promote a dangerous, unnecessary confrontation with a rival power. The final act in Washington’s theatre of the absurd has yet to be written, but the denouement looks dark.
https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2018/02/22/jackson-lears/russiagate-revisited/

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dem-pollster-trump-shows-presidential-leadership-on-guns-compares-to-911-bush/article/2649772

This is encouraging.

[henry]

Miss M, reads like Zogby thinks Trump will "bend the knee" to gun grabbers. Standard way a conservative "matures" in the eyes of the media. I hope that Zogby misses what is happening (as much wishful thinking as those who believe Sessions is doing fuck all about unmasking etc). I hope Trump is setting up to once again provide treatment options to mentally ill people. Only a hope at this point, as Trump said Congress needs to act.

[Momto2]

Posted by a friend on FB:

(I did not hear that last part about screaming "burn her" - was that directed at Dana Loesch?)

According to a Democrat Politician (who looks like one of Tony Soprano's cousins) there is a “proliferation of assault weapons”. Well according to the CDC and FBI, rifles and shotguns amount to only 3% of gun deaths per year and the AR15 is used less than 1/2 percent of that 3%. So is it safe to say AR15’s are “scarce as hens' teeth” in shootings?

So let’s let the “smart folks” and their child prodigies tell us that a seldom-used gun (AR15) and a new President are the cause celeb! Never mind the failure of the courts in this instance, failure of security and failure of the past regime (last 8 years) to protect these folks. Oh and let’s not ignore the children screaming “burn her” at the town hall on CNN when the NRA rep spoke.

[narciso]

Andrew Mccarthy is still looking for the pony.
You have to go through a big pile to get to it.

[Buckeye]

Ed

Another one for the rehab folder.

https://youtu.be/jQm8q6zoH1k

Good video cues to what you will hear.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

henry,

Zogby can explain this however he wants, but those 2 listening sessions, yesterday and today, made a huge impression on the American public.

[Momto2]

Don't miss this David Burge thread on Trudeau -

https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/966819399918325760

[narciso]

Now you compare greitens who admittedly did a stupid thing, to the broward sheriffs deoartmemt which was continually practicing neglect including that day.

[lurkersusie]

Coral Springs police officers -- and not Broward Sheriff's Office deputies -- were the first ones to try to help save students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School http://bit.ly/2olmuPb?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=snd&utm_content=wplg10 …

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Heading to bed early. Tomorrow I have to go for the echo-cardiogram and scan of my carotid arteries. Ugh.

Since I have to be there at 8 I will try to post a few links before I leave. Should be back by noon.

Nytol!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Loved this comment on Iowahawk's feed;

"I’ve adopted a southern accent because I’m so embarrassed. But the “eh” slips out every so often. Invade and liberate us already. Take the oil! It’s yours!"

[Account Deleted]

Thanks, Momto2---> i was reading on my phone while trying to walk my dawg. Anya started barking at me... tears, the woiks. Too damned funny.

for all the clattering noise about DJT by his detractors, I've not seen anything as targeted and funny about him as this piece on Trudope.

The Hawk is lethal.

[jim nj]

"A Russian oligarch believed to control the Russian mercenaries who attacked U.S. troops and their allies in Syria this month was in close touch with Kremlin and Syrian officials in the days and weeks before and after the assault, according to U.S. intelligence reports."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-ally-said-to-be-in-touch-with-kremlin-assad-before-his-mercenaries-attacked-us-troops/ar-BBJtGXQ?li=BBnb7Kz

[daddy]

Hannity at CPAC asking his panel about Kramer's refusal to testify about his mission for John McCain to go to England and get the Dossier.

Sarah Carter says: Kramer is pleading the Fifth because he doesn't want to answer one question in particular.

Hannity: What is that Question?

Sarah Carter: Did he leak it to BuzzFeed?

[daddy]

Same topic:

Greg Jarrett: ...The Kramer thing is interesting because he appeared before the Intel Committee on Dec 19th and he said "I know who Steele's sources are," and the Committee said "Who are they?" and he said "I'm not going to tell you." So they slap him with a Subpoena to make him tell them. And now he invokes the Fifth. Why would he do that? Maybe he doesn't know the sources and didn't tell the truth which is why he's invoking the Fifth. It's hard to know sources that don't even exist. If he knows the sources and he is invoking the Fifth to protect them, that's an illegal use of the Fifth Amendment.

[Account Deleted]

Is McStain's boot licking associate going to be deposed by MuleTooler?

Hmmmm. He's one of those crossover operatives who will be exempt from incriminating anybody on Clinton's side of this war.

[narciso]

They didn't see the second Spiderman film:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/922802/robots-will-murder-humans-without-brain-control-implant

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I'm sick of politics. How about something really scary?
Blood Sucking Monkeys of West Mifflin PA!!!

[Captain Hate]

I hope the tumor hasn't consumed too much of McRINO's paltry grey matter for the old traitor to know just how rapidly his legacy is being flushed away. He should be buried in Love Canal.

In case rich arrives later, this is highly recommended:

https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/10607/309274/

[RattlerGator]

Saw the Black Panther flick tonight.

Loved it . . . and hated it.

Now to see if I can work my way through the development of a coherent column and, if so,
whether it will get published.

Sad news about the Broward Sheriff's Office law enforcement officer on duty at Parkland. I feared that was the reaction all along.

Good night.

[Frau Raketendienst]

18 Xhe is stupid on a galactic scale.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 22, 2018 04:28 PM

One favorite Horde comment that is OK to print on the JOM family blog. [::snicker::]

[lurkersusie]

Awful

The sheriff’s deputy who did “nothing” while Nikolas Cruz killed seventeen people also refused to share information on Cruz with state social services during a 2016 investigation into his home life.

https://t.co/cvAXqtH3yA?amp=1

[jim nj]

RG
Sad news about the Broward Sheriff's Office law enforcement officer on duty at Parkland. I feared that was the reaction all along.
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Indecisive or coward, his name will go down in infamy.

I have absolutely no idea how I would react in such a situation, but I've never been a trained law enforcement officer.

But having to live the rest of my life with what I did, or didn't do, that day. Whew.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Presented without comment;

[Clarice Feldman]

You just posted that to tick off, Jane, Iggy.

Nytol

[Captain Hate]

Being a hero's not for everyone, jim, as events like that point out.

[gentlejim]

Iggy,
I always liked SCTV more than SNL

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

By a wide margin, gentlejim.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Count Floyd meets Ingmar Burgmann

[Captain Hate]

Add me to the SCTV fans.

This guy was driving buses in Cleveland before being rediscovered for this last hurrah:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yR0-PW0YLkA

[lyle]

Ig’s 11:11 made me lol. I’m not apologetic.

[daddy]

.

[jim nj]

http://businessinsider.com/parkland-shooting-officer-resigns-deputies-sent-to-protect-his-family-2018-2?utm_source=facebook&utm_content=top-bar&utm_term=desktop

Words fail me.

[Another Bob]

I don’t know Jim. On one hand, without knowing the (and I hate this word) “tactical” situation, I can envision a situation where he may have saved lives by not going in, by not drawing more fire. But it does seem objectively wrong for a cop to do nothing in that situation.

It does make the point that police aren’t obligated to protect you.

Gun sales - which have declined in the last year - will see an uptick.

[jim nj]

Being a hero's not for everyone, jim, as events like that point out.

Posted by: Captain Hate | February 22, 2018 at 11:16 PM
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Yeah, Ive been thinking on that. As I said I don't know what my response would have been, assuming I had his level of training.

That's why I offered the possibility that he was indecisive or a coward.

In an ironic twist he has sheriff's deputies guarding his home and he has to live with whatever he did, or didn't do.

OTOH, the report of his actions includes the fact that he was on his radio at one point, possibly more.

I'd realy like to hear the audio of that. What did he relay? What was he told to do? So I'm, for the moment, suspending my judgements of the deputy.

Ultimately, this falls on the Sheriff, an elected position, who must have known of the situation before he went on CNN to blame others for the problem.

[jim nj]

Another Bob,

I didn't see your last post, before posting my latest.

I agree with you. I want to know more about this. Much more.

[Another Bob]

Maybe posted already, but this thread adds another layer to the mess, and might explain why the sheriff may himself be retiring shortly.

https://twitter.com/thelastrefuge2/status/966854507744374784

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

I believe this fleshes out the information Another Bob linked from Twitter:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/23/broward-county-sheriffs-office-did-not-miss-warning-signs-or-make-mistakes/#more-146176

[Davod]

"Being a hero's not for everyone, jim, as events like that point out."

Considering the sheriff is a liberal, and has been not so honest, I would like to see what the deputy's rules of engagement were.

[jim nj]

OK, Everytown had a plan. They were all set to jump on an incident, waiting, waiting. And they did. They flooded the zone. Arranged all kinds of media events. Counted on support from the media. Got it.

If you think of it as a chess game they selected the game and the timing, but black gets to choose the defense. White selects the game. Black creates the variation.

Black didn't know a game was coming. Who even is the logical black? Logical people? No they're ignored in all of this. So white designated their target beforehand. The NRA. In a first strike they sought to take them out using moralistic arguments, like calling them child-murderers. Something the media can run with.

White presumed if they came in with a pre-planned coordinated campaign with all their media contacts ready to jump, they'd win the PR battle.

In other words, they're opportunists, primed for battle and ready to shape the media narrative. And use unfair invective toward anyone who opposes their narrative.

But if you're going to do something like this - you have to move very fast.

I think, in this case they moved too fast, they have now, I think, lost control of the narrative.

With the latest revelation, we're back to the FBI, the Broward county Sheriff, his deput(ies), and if Lastrefuge2"s information gains more exposure the Broward County Board of Education.

[Ed]

Buckeye,
Thanks for the Michael Kobrin link. I'll come back to it tomorrow. Heard it well, but haven't worn processor all day, and first few minutes always seem brittle. Where was that recorded? Looks like a quarry? Probably good acoustics. Appreciate the fingering details.

[jim nj]

Top story on Google News is, and has been for some time now, the deputies failure to do something.

That, in it's self, alone, destroys so many arguments.

Let's have the DOJ investigate the Broward County Sheriffs Dept. and the Board of Education, like Obama would have ordered Holder to do years ago.

And regarding the CNN "town hall" and the Sheriff, what did they know, and when did they find out?

[gentlejim]

I’d like to know what the latest active shooter training was for the department. Things have changed in the last couple years. Not too long ago the practice was to wait for 4 or 5 officers in order to form a “tactical triangle” then move forward as long as shooting was active. Now if we hear a threat we go find the threat and stop the threat. No waiting.
I would also like to hear the radio traffic.

[jim nj]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/florida-man-screams-yells-murderers-put-death-53294563

"Branch was convicted of raping and fatally beating University of West Florida student Susan Morris, 21." In 1993.

So the State of Florida, like the NRA, are "murderers".

[gentlejim]

Try this again.
This touchy-feely crap regarding juveniles is a nationwide problem. We just had in-service training with JSC. They were so proud that their numbers are down and that they have all these programs, which garner them state and federal dollars. We kindly reminded them that felony arrest for juveniles are down because the state lowered some crimes from felony to misdemeanor. Their response was “Well, that could have something to do with it”. Pffft....
They’ll really only house the most violent juveniles. A good amount of the time the juvenile is ready to leave the facility before the transporting officer is done with their report. Don’t get me started if alcohol is involved.

[jim nj]

I would also like to hear the radio traffic.

Posted by: gentlejim | February 23, 2018 at 04:43 AM
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Me too! And I'd like the Justice Department, like under Eric Holder, to launch a full investigation.

[gentlejim]

Sadly, jim nj, I wouldn’t trust the JUSTUS Dept to take out my recycling.

[jim nj]

Yes, I know Jeff Sessions doesn't approve of the the DOJ investigating police departments and subjecting them to consent decrees.

But maybe, just this once, per Eric Holder, it's justified.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Here are the 4 dems who represent a portion of Broward County:

Ted Deutch, Frederica Wilson, Alsee Hastings, and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.

Info gained here:

http://www.broward.org/Publications/ResidentsGuide/Pages/USHouseOfRepresentatives.aspx

Now, I don't have network TV and don't watch CNN, so maybe these people have said something and I don't know about it. Seems to me they have all been pretty quiet.

If, as Sundance has posted, the numbers of juvenile arrests have been lowered by simply not reporting things, there has to be a reason and my guess is hat it has to do with money.

I am not familiar with school funding, but in all of the stuff that flowed from DC during the last administration, I would bet there are awards and grants for demonstrating that you have lowered your arrests and expulsions and so forth.

Furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised to find connections between people receiving these grants and these representatives.

Who set up that tape delay camera - the Awan brothers?

[gentlejim]

Typhuspad is being exceedingly difficult this morning. Second try for the second time.

This kills me, regarding the execution of Branch in FL.

Asked later whether Branch's scream could have been caused by the execution drugs,

No, his scream was caused by the fact that he was a beating, raping, murdering asshole who was finally meeting his end.

[gentlejim]

The camera delay makes absolutely zero sense. The person that set that up probably leaves their house keys in the exterior side of the lock at home. Dipshit...

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201636649.html

This is the Miami Herald article on the guy who didn't go in.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

gentlejim,

Sundance feels like it's set up that way so that they can erase evidence of criminal activity, rather than track it.

Interestingly, the article posted above said that the cowardly resource officer was shown on the tape standing outside. I believe that someone, possibly ATF or the FBI, got those tapes and noticed it. Look at how long it has taken for this to come out.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/02/a_question_of_loyalty.html#.Wo_r92cUyf4.twitter

[gentlejim]

MM,
Sundance’s idea doesn’t make sense. If they were going to erase incidents they were going to erase incidents. Erasing has nothing to do with viewing in real time, which is the purpose of security video.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

But it wasn't in real time, gentlejim. That is what the sheriff said. The police didn't realize it was tape delay.

[gentlejim]

That’s the insane part, MM. Any security system set up with a viewing delay is useless for real-time situations. Who cares what happened 20 minutes ago when you’re supposed to be watching now? Ridiculous..

[anonamom]

gentlejim, your thoughts are exactly mine, which come from my retired LEO brother---that officer was doing exactly what he should have been doing not so long ago.
Did he get updated training? Did he forget? Or was he just not willing to take a bullet?
All understandable, though he should have resigned before those kids were murdered if the latter was the case.

My oldest is 31, so you can do the math to see what was in his life as he was growing up re: gaming.
I was viscerally repulsed to see these boys gaming---at the deepest level of my being, I knew it was unhealthy. ( 20 years later, now backed by neuroscience research. I wasn't waiting on that.)
He has a resident father (which I advocate for children) so there eventually was a system in the house, but he had all kinds of restrictions on it--the number one being which games were even allowed, two that it was hour for hour outdoor for screen time, none before school or church---he became very "reactionary" after playing, as I guess you need to be if you are a shooter, right?
Don't let that frontal lobe and thinking slow you down, you need to be reflexive at your reptile brain level.

So, he was never very good, thus never played a whole lot---
Mean Mom destroys an aspect of adolescent social life;
result: successful, productive adult.

Having been one myself, and recently raised some, I'm not real big on these high school kids determining "gun policy."
Thank God we have Bill of Rights to at least give us a day in court if GOPe caves on this.

I'm guessing gun sales are going to be high this weekend...

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Looking at this picture of Trudeau in India, I am amazed President Trump hasn't already gotten all of their lumber and ore. It must be because the President has a soft heart behind that bluff exterior.

[RattlerGator]

This comment below probably isn't as well thought-out as I would like, but it is my first take as I prepare to head out for my physical this morning:

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For me, regarding that Miami Herald article linked by MM, here is the source of the national problem that we are so, so afraid to address:

On another occasion, the 14-year-old Cruz punched a wall because she took away his X-box. An employee of Henderson Behavioral Health came and said the boy did not meet criteria for involuntary psychological evaluation under the state’s Baker Act.

That, standing alone, isn't the problem. This text from the article that immediately follows is:

In November 2014, deputies were called to a neighbor’s home after he reportedly shot a neighbor’s chicken with a pellet gun — his mother agreed to lock away the gun and the fowl’s owner declined to press charges.

Then came the first serious red flag.

Then?

To me, there's the problem. The overreaction in favor of the mentally disturbed. The first *serious* red flag?

Serious to whom, exactly ???

He likely had a wide range of school actions that weren't reported but school teachers, principals, etc., should probably have been consulted -- and him temporarily detained and the family assessed for early assistance while a more complete review is conducted.

If you seek public assistance for a problem child, that should be the understood bargain.

Waiting for SERIOUS red flags could lead to Parkland shootings, but -- more importantly to me -- certainly leads to thousands and thousands of localized serious incidents that families are forced to deal with on their own, with no real recourse whatsoever. And then, inevitably, the local law enforcement is forced to get involved, so the local jail gets involved . . . and we're off to the races with local or state incarceration.

Just as our political class have failed us, our mental health professionals have failed us. Because, truthfully, we have failed ourselves. We need to own that.

We start to fix that error and take back ownership by inserting ourselves into the conversation and not bowing to so-called experts. I'm thinking, in part, about rse right now and her consistent comments.

We then must marry that up with demanding our Legislatures and our Congress do their jobs. We need to study them and their staffs much, much better.

But we must correct our overreaction. We must do it now, do it thoughtfully without a "war on boys" mentality, but we must be focused on a duty of protecting the public that rarely slips below a duty of protecting the individual juvenile.

If you check *any* Public Defender's Office in an American city with a couple hundered thousand residents or more, you will see the criminal crowd are completely gaming the system through their use of juveniles. And, sadly, it is increasingly through the use of you females.

You cannot give criminals an incentive -- not an opportunity, mind you, but an incentive -- to victimize these wayward kids but that is precisely what we are doing.

[Robin, eff 'em all]

I haven’t had time to comment much - kids out of school this week Presidents/Break the Back or Flu Week here in upstate NY.

Saw Black Panther this week with my daughter. Not a fan of super hero movies, but am a fan of great design and had heard that the visuals were stunning. Lots of inspiration there.

The movie itself is deeply conservative. I walked out of the theater rather shellshocked at the messages conveyed - the importance of fathers in young men’s lives, of family and community, of a shared national identity, that in order to build bridges, you must first have walls. Sure, some of the surface of the film is the usual lefty tripe, and it finishes with a silly address to the UN, but that felt like an add on the director had to create as a trade off for allowing the film to stand as is. But overall, the movie is about conservative values and hallelujah for that.

The audience on Monday afternoon was all young - college students - and their gripe seemed to be about the cheesy waterfall moment, which made me giggle.

I haven’t been able to engage on the Parkland shooting because it’s too upsetting. We had a potential incident averted here in Ithaca because a couple of brave students reported their friend’s erratic social media activity and threats to the high school principal, who then reported it to local LE. The kid was charged, though no follow up stories in the local media as to what happened from there.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

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MS-13 gang members are being removed by our Great ICE and Border Patrol Agents by the thousands, but these killers come back in from El Salvador, and through Mexico, like water. El Salvador just takes our money, and Mexico must help MORE with this problem. We need The Wall!