President Donald Trump said Monday that he would have run into the deadly Feb. 14 Florida high school shooting "even if I didn't have a weapon."
The president again found fault with officers who didn't stop the Florida gunman who carried out the massacre earlier this month, telling 39 of the nation's governors at the White House that the deputies "weren't exactly Medal of Honor winners."
He added, "I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon" and vowed to turn the nation's "grief into action" following the mass school shooting that killed 17 students and teachers at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.
You can't say Trump lacks for confidence. But would he run to the sound of gunfire? Oddly, I was at the gym the other day pondering that very question and running down the list of Presidents and contenders in my adult lifetime. Who among them would have run into MSD HS? Let's give them something like youth (sort of 30-50 years old), a weapon, and a bit of training to prepare mentally for the effort.
My guesses:
Gerald Ford: top football player, served in the Navy, leader. Automatic.
Jimmy Carter: It's rare for me to say something nice about Mr. Peanut but he was an Annapolis grad and a Southern boy so I don't see him backing down from a scuffle.
Ronald Reagan: Former lifeguard, no real military, strong sense of showmanship - Near Automatic.
Walter Mondale: I haven't thought about him in decades and won't start now.
Bush 41: Are you kidding? Young naval aviator, shot down twice, stud athlete. Automatic.
The Duke: He was a plus athlete in high school, delayed Harvard Law School to enlist and serve in Korea, and I know some fierce Greeks. I'd bet him behind Reagan, but high.
Bill Clinton: Oh, brother. The draft dodging doesn't bother me much - why should a young man fight a war the top leadership doesn't plan to win? So, Slick's a hot-tempered Southern boy with no military or athletic resume, whose sense of duty didn't extend to keeping his hands off the interns while he pushed his political agenda. I'll score him a Definitely Maybe.
Bob Dole: The guy was a war hero with a sense of service, so I have him as Automatic.
Al Gore: Not a fan so I'll put him in the 'Who Knows?' category. (Yeah, a 1-10 scale would be easier to follow. As someone once told me, hindsight is 50/50.)
Bush 43: Grew up in Texas, good HS athlete, rugby in college, no military (OK, other than his military. Didn't the TANG come up in 2004? I'd Rather forget). He's a Bush, so the noblesse oblige is there. I'd put him up with Reagan.
John Kerry: Again, not a fan, but Waffles did not lack for physical courage in Vietnam. As long as there wasn't anyone to discuss it with and no pollsters to consult I think he would probably do the right thing.
John McCain: Are you kidding? He wouldn't need a gun. If the shooter were smart he'd throw his gun down and his hands up. Probably get a beatdown anyway. I'd bet McCain big.
Barack Obama: If there was a red line I doubt Barry would cross it; if a debating society formed outside the school as shots rang out, Barry, Waffles and Wild Bill would be in it. Yeah, with Fat Al. Put him in "Who Knows?".
Mitt Romney: Strong sense of duty, high confidence, strong leadership skills, not an athlete but still - I would be stunned if Mitt did not do the right thing. Reaganesque!
Hillary Clinton: My goodness, she tried to join the Marines and showed great courage under fire in Bosnia, so... forget it. With training and an opportunity to poll test and focus group this she might be fine but her instinct is to never do anything on anything until every angle is studied. I would not expect her to rally; she'd be outside preparing a speech on violence, gender norms, and 10,000 years of patriarchal oppression.
And finally, Donald Trump: Big guy, big talker, lots of bravado, modest athletic success as a youngster, no military. I don't see him finding his inner hero, but as with everything Trump, he is by far the least predictable of the lot so nothing would surprise me.
BEFORE YOU ASK: I am confident there are earnest libs out there who believe, with a sincerity and factual foundation equal to mine, something different. For example, that Fat Al would be as intent on saving those kids as he is on saving the planet while Mittens is only interested in counting his ill-gotten Bain fortune. I'm right and they're wrong, obviously, but keep it in mind.
First
Posted by: Beasts of England | February 26, 2018 at 01:20 PM
Bush 43: Grew up in Texas, good HS athlete, rugby in college, no military.
um, Texas Air National Guard for 100 Alex?
Posted by: henry | February 26, 2018 at 01:24 PM
Surely Big Al would treat stopping the shooter the same way as living a low-carbon lifestyle: loudly in favor of making it mandatory for everyone, but in the meantime there's no controlling legal authority so he'll stay outside and make a speech about it.
Posted by: Paul Zrimsek | February 26, 2018 at 01:25 PM
ChiTown Lurker says he was really first but offered no proof. :)
Posted by: Beasts of England | February 26, 2018 at 01:25 PM
Fat Al could knock out the shooter by releasing his Chakra.
Posted by: Beasts of England | February 26, 2018 at 01:28 PM
Just tell them its a camera... they'd all stampede the shooter.
Posted by: henry | February 26, 2018 at 01:29 PM
I had a hard time remembering who is The Duke. Beware of Greeks bearing tanks...
Posted by: Beasts of England | February 26, 2018 at 01:38 PM
Where might I find the skinny on "ill-gotten" gain with Bain?
Might be Chi-Town's baileywick?
Posted by: Account Deleted | February 26, 2018 at 01:42 PM
I made the Top 10! LOL
Posted by: Account Deleted | February 26, 2018 at 01:43 PM
Hmm, so TANG isn't just the favored drink of astronauts. Scary I forgot that 2004 drama - I'd Rather not know what is says about my memory.
Posted by: Tom Maguire | February 26, 2018 at 01:47 PM
Re: "ill-gotten" gains at Bain: it rhymes, mainly, but also, to many of our friends on the left all gains in the private sector are ill-gotten if a Republican gets them. Barry's book deals and Hillary's speeches are hard-earned.
Posted by: Tom Maguire | February 26, 2018 at 01:49 PM
W flew planes nicknamed "widowmaker" in the TANG.
Even though TANG is Air National Guard, they flew missions. The aforementioned "widowmaker" interceptor had the mission to intercept USSR bombers and shoot them down. Some were kept in the air at all times to save time by not having to scramble.
The reason he got out early was because the "widowmaker" interceptor was retired and W had too little time in to make it work retraining him on new planes.
John McCain, brave guy but mainly known for being shot down.
Posted by: boris | February 26, 2018 at 01:51 PM
I’m behind, but need to post a comment during lunch.
Animals Rights Radicals IN "Cows Lives Matter" "protest" yell "MURDER!" at meat shoppers at Madison grocery store
http://www.wkow.com/story/37588321/2018/02/25/demonstrators-disrupt-shoppers-at-madison-grocery-store#.WpQUb80OuqQ.twitter
Now i want a steak for lunch.
Posted by: henry | February 26, 2018 at 09:10 AM
The best thing about the above article about meat protesters is that it was covered by WKOW.
Posted by: gentlejim | February 26, 2018 at 01:54 PM
Lurkersusie, previous thread "3 questions inspector general must answer regarding investigation of FBI leadership"
You're dreaming there Susie. He can answer whatever he feels like answering and when it moves him and he can water down whatever he wants to say any way he likes.
RG promises he has the biggest baddest white hat ever and has new super powers and shock and awe is in our future.
But that's just RG talking and he is still high on all the popcorn and Coke he ate seeing that movie TWICE.
Posted by: Old Lurker | February 26, 2018 at 01:58 PM
I agree old unless Bryan mills is doing the wrangling:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/02/nunes-no-schiffs-memo-doesnt-change-anything-in-my-memo/
Posted by: narciso | February 26, 2018 at 01:59 PM
NFW would Slick have gone in. He's never done a non cowardly thing in his life except rut with Curb Dive on one confirmed occasion.
Posted by: Captain Hate | February 26, 2018 at 02:00 PM
Well, even if the cop didn't go in, at least the football coach did and took a bullet by protecting some of the kids.
I have known a lot of cops including some on my mother's side of her family. I can't think of any of them that wouldn't rush toward danger to prevent a crime or murder. I would like to hear gentlejim's commentary on the situation at the Parkland school, from a LEO perspective.
Posted by: Jim Eagle | February 26, 2018 at 02:01 PM
I wonder if he intentionally said he would go in without a gun to cause the media to go bonkers over the next few days
Posted by: F Hudson | February 26, 2018 at 02:02 PM
Idk about the mind reading, TM.
Remember when we all had to read The Red Badge of Courage in high school and be lectured about the morality of desertion?
I'm reading leftists saying "of course he didn't go in, it would have been suicide."
And now this David Hogg choad is saying it's Rick Scott's fault that the (elected) sheriff's deputy didn't go in.
Posted by: Porchlight | February 26, 2018 at 02:04 PM
I wonder if he intentionally said he would go in without a gun to cause the media to go bonkers over the next few days
Nothing to wonder about. Of course he did. :)
Posted by: Porchlight | February 26, 2018 at 02:05 PM
The n stands for nazgul
http://thegatewaypundit.com/2018/02/horrid-nbc-hack-accuses-trump-sexual-abuse-interview-ivanka-trump-video
Posted by: narciso | February 26, 2018 at 02:05 PM
"I'm No Coward" Claims Deputy Who Refused To Confront Parkland School Shooter
Posted by: Extraneus | February 26, 2018 at 02:07 PM
Heather Locklear arrested on domestic violence and attacking cops. From her booking photo it must've been a bitching bender:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-heather-locklear-arrest-20180226-story.html
Posted by: Captain Hate | February 26, 2018 at 02:11 PM
Ext, so not cowardice, but incompetence? That's an improvement that'll get me to hand over my guns once I have pulse rifle replacements.
Posted by: henry | February 26, 2018 at 02:12 PM
Didn't the shots begin at 2:21, i.e. in the middle of the last class of the day? No reason for Peterson to think shots/screams were coming from outside when almost everyone was inside.
Posted by: DebinGA | February 26, 2018 at 02:13 PM
I can see Trump going in after he became a father.
Love the Mondale comment, why is John Wayne in there?
Posted by: Ralph L | February 26, 2018 at 02:14 PM
Btw, I find that patently ridiculous. You are sworn to protect students, whom you have known for years. You live on campus, rent-free, just so you can be there in the event of an emergency. You have surely run this exact scenario through your mind many times. Yet you don't immediately go where the students are?
He's claiming they're trained not to go into the school to guard the students? To wait outside while the students cower inside with a bunch of unarmed teachers guarding them?
Not buying it.
Posted by: Extraneus | February 26, 2018 at 02:14 PM
--Ignazi
Sorry I missed you!--
Not sure whether to respond that's because I saw you first or because you keep telegraphing your punches.
Either way, don't go away sorry...
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | February 26, 2018 at 02:14 PM
Wasn't there a fire alarm blaring?
Posted by: Ralph L | February 26, 2018 at 02:16 PM
NFW would Slick have gone in. He's never done a non cowardly thing in his life except rut with Curb Dive on one confirmed occasion.
You think that hag that looks like Webb is confirmation?
Posted by: Buckeye | February 26, 2018 at 02:16 PM
The on site housing benefit in Broward imo is mostly because the school resource officers' main function is getting to know the kids, who'll then feel comfortable enough to tell them when/where trouble's brewing. Unbelievable that the Douglas HS officers didn't automatically rush to save the kids, but hid instead.
Posted by: DebinGA | February 26, 2018 at 02:24 PM
RalphL,
The Duke is Michael Dukakis, not John Wayne:)
Posted by: Jim Eagle | February 26, 2018 at 02:24 PM
“Let’s roll!” has a place here.
So does Spencer Stone.
Courage springs from understanding what matters and why.
Posted by: sbwaters | February 26, 2018 at 02:25 PM
Dukakis? He was a Swarthmore when my dad was. 5'4" guy not on Swarthmore's BB team (despite goofy photo), that might have been a jv squad of some sort. Smug rich kid is how dad described him, certainly not any kind of athlete.
Posted by: henry | February 26, 2018 at 02:27 PM
Hard to match the cowardly low of Bill Clinton's naming his victim in both his initial "I never had sex with that woman - Miz L..." or his months later "I did indeed have ... with Miz L". "Hillary" was never uttered, just alluded to as "my wife".
Posted by: DebinGA | February 26, 2018 at 02:31 PM
Carter? Yeah, right.
My list;
Ford? Yes.
Carter? NFW.
Reagan? Yes.
Mondale? Honorable though stupid guy = yes.
Bush 41? Yes, so long as it was prudent.
Clinton? Hahahahahah...wipes tears away, resumes laughing...
Dole? If he had to crawl.
Dukakis? Yes...unless the miscreant was raping his wife.
Gore? Only if he got to make a fake movie about it.
Bush 43? Yes.
Kerry? Yes. But when he came out he'd be on the side of the shooter...and have a minor self inflicted wound.
McCain? Yes.
Mittens? Yes, with a kevlar binder and a dog crate to put the shooter in.
Barack Hussein Obama? That pansy ass would make Billy Jeff Clinton look like Sgt York.
Trump? I suspect yes.
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | February 26, 2018 at 02:32 PM
http://truthfeed.com/flashback-that-time-trump-heroically-stopped-a-mugger/5909/
Posted by: Threadkiller | February 26, 2018 at 02:35 PM
'I'm no coward - and pay no attention to the armed detail guarding my house!!'
Posted by: Beasts of England | February 26, 2018 at 02:38 PM
Dukakis? Yes...unless the miscreant was raping his wife.
Lol. He could ride in a tank.
Posted by: Captain Hate | February 26, 2018 at 02:38 PM
Trump could run in and say 'Hey, you wanna see some nekkid pictures of Melania?' That might work...
Posted by: Beasts of England | February 26, 2018 at 02:40 PM
TK,
Thanks for finding that because I remembered it as I was reading the list.
I also remember during the campaign when someone rushed the stage and Trump lunged toward the guy before being stopped by Secret Service. The debate on Reddit then was whether or not he packed heat while on the campaign trail.
Posted by: Miss Marple the Deplorable | February 26, 2018 at 02:43 PM
Iggy,
Disagree in re Carter.
Any guy who had to sit through an interview with Adm. Rickover, sitting in his special, uncomfortable, slanted chair is one tough guy even if he didn't get the job:)
Posted by: Jim Eagle | February 26, 2018 at 02:50 PM
Kerry would rush the building, but just before reaching the door, he'd turn around to see if there were any cameras, causing himself to trip and get a minor scrape, whereupon he'd head back to safety to tell of his adventure ad nauseam.
Perot would have gotten a team of ex-military together to stop the attack.
Stockdale would have rushed in and beaten himself senseless to confuse the shooter in order to subdue him.
Posted by: Dave (in MA) | February 26, 2018 at 02:51 PM
Clinton shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a school.
And Carter seemed pretty shaken up when that rabbit attack him in his canoe.
Posted by: Rocco | February 26, 2018 at 02:52 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter_rabbit_incident
Posted by: Threadkiller | February 26, 2018 at 02:55 PM
Congrats to Porch for using "choad" well.
Posted by: Buford Gooch | February 26, 2018 at 02:55 PM
Here's what LI had to say on the DACA decision:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/02/us-supreme-court-will-not-allow-trump-to-bypass-9th-circuit-in-daca-case/
Sounds like it was a major fuckup by the DOJ. Isn't about time that the Elmer Fudd defenders, including RG who apparently should run for President for some fucking reason, start explaining why his department keeps botching things after about a year on the job? I'm not saying that he didn't walk into a nest of vipers but except for a few FBI resignations there's no evidence that things are running efficiently. This was inexcusable and DJT should demand many pounds of flesh. And pawning this off on our useless Congress is NOT a good answer.
Posted by: Captain Hate | February 26, 2018 at 02:56 PM
Didn't refresh to see your post, Rocco.
Haha!
Posted by: Threadkiller | February 26, 2018 at 02:56 PM
Dave,Happy Birthday. I was going to say that Kerry would run into the building if he knew a rich widow was teaching.
Posted by: Marlene | February 26, 2018 at 02:56 PM
You are welcome, MM.
Posted by: Threadkiller | February 26, 2018 at 02:56 PM
Thanks Marlene, and thanks to all the others who I see posted on the previous thread thanks to James D. blabbing.
Posted by: Dave (in MA) | February 26, 2018 at 02:58 PM
I could be mistaken about Carter, but as Rocco points out and as Tom Paxton put to music, that bunny wunny scared Jimmuh no small amount.
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | February 26, 2018 at 02:59 PM
Al Gore: Hmmm
Judging by this. Al Gore would rush in. His intent might be OK, but someone else will do the real work. And then the incident would be featured in a campaign ad.
https://www.snopes.com/politics/military/gorevietnam.asp
Posted by: Appalled | February 26, 2018 at 02:59 PM
"why his department keeps botching things after about a year on the job?"
Bug or Feature depending on where in the Swamp you dwell.
Posted by: Old Lurker | February 26, 2018 at 03:00 PM
Rocco,
But he did put his life on the line when he was part of the team of Navy reactor officers who went to Canada to help with the partial-meltdown of the Chalk River reactor. He maxed out on dosage rates because he was the guy being lowered into the reactor to take measurements. Not a job for the faint of heart.
Posted by: Jim Eagle | February 26, 2018 at 03:01 PM
Lol, thanks, Buford.
Happy birthday Dave (in MA)!
Posted by: Porchlight | February 26, 2018 at 03:01 PM
TK, Great minds Brother! Well, yours anyway.
Posted by: Rocco | February 26, 2018 at 03:03 PM
I'd rather lose an argument than use Tom Paxton to support my point.
Posted by: Captain Hate | February 26, 2018 at 03:04 PM
I miss James Rosen!
Posted by: Jane | February 26, 2018 at 03:05 PM
jib
My uncle worked for Rickover and didn't have a good word to say about Jimmy Carter
Posted by: mike in houston | February 26, 2018 at 03:05 PM
Judging by that, Gore might head in after the heavy work was done and snap a couple photos.
Posted by: Threadkiller | February 26, 2018 at 03:05 PM
Where in my internet wanderings this weekend did I see a St.Paul's Prep School picture of their hockey team featuring Mueller and Kerry sitting side by side in the center?
I had not realized that they were best buds from pre-college days.
Splains a lot.
Posted by: Old Lurker | February 26, 2018 at 03:06 PM
--I'd rather lose an argument than use Tom Paxton to support my point.--
LOL.
But I have always kinda liked that tune from when the incident occurred.
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | February 26, 2018 at 03:08 PM
Captain Hate,
I think I read somewhere, perhaps one of the guys I follow on Twitter, that only 30% of DOJ are recent hires, the rest being career types hired during the Obama administration with a few from Bush 43. They can't be fired because they fall under the Civil Service laws, even though for all practical purposes they are political appointees.
I never really thought about this problem until this recent scandal, but I bet it's a real one for a lot of attorneys general, especially GOP appointees following a dem administration.
Somehow I had it in my head that these people would automatically follow the lead of their new boss, when in fact, we can see they are sticking around to drag their feet and undermine things. (Same goes for the FBI and I bet the CIA.)
So, I don't have expectations that we will see any action until all things are in place. If I am wrong, well, I am wrong. But it seems likely to me that things are being kept under wraps until the last minute.
Posted by: Miss Marple the Deplorable | February 26, 2018 at 03:08 PM
things are being kept under
wrapsnapsPosted by: henry | February 26, 2018 at 03:11 PM
JiB, Carter probably would run in to help, I just couldn't resist the opportunity to bring up the rabbit!
I can't tell you how many times guys I worked with ran when the shit hit the fan. "I'm going for help", famous last words.
Posted by: Rocco | February 26, 2018 at 03:14 PM
Georgia Lt. Governor Threatens Delta Airlines After NRA Rejection
Posted by: Extraneus | February 26, 2018 at 03:19 PM
Nice quid pro quo tweet, Casey.
We need smarter tweeters on our side.
Posted by: Threadkiller | February 26, 2018 at 03:21 PM
Here is the session of President Trump with the governors. Runs about one hour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=98&v=qcna7pmARkI
I am listening while I clean my bedroom. Back later.
Posted by: Miss Marple the Deplorable | February 26, 2018 at 03:22 PM
But I have always kinda liked that tune from when the incident occurred.
I'm sure it's topically funny. I just remember way back when our library started getting CDs in I saw one by that dweeb and thought "let's see what all the dipshits who listen to this follicle challenged troubadour like". I didn't make it halfway through.
Posted by: Captain Hate | February 26, 2018 at 03:22 PM
MM "..the rest being career types hired during the Obama administration ..."
Nice try but no sale, MM. While that is of course true and I am sure is a PITA to the new AG, any new AG, that does not excuse this AG for not paying intense attention to matters of the highest importance to the President's Agenda. How would DACA not rank as a top five issue for his boss, and one on which a screw up would be very embarrassing to Trump?
Sort of like if you are a navy ship Captain who saw a sister ship blindly run into another ship because of inattention by the Captain and his command, would you not have the entire crew being careful when you drive your ship through the same waters a month later?
Some things just sort of get absolute focus even by a very senior but subordinate officer.
Posted by: Old Lurker | February 26, 2018 at 03:24 PM
CNN Analyst Suggests Women Can’t Carry Guns Because They Wear Skirts, Dresses
Women who carry: That's for me to know and you to find out, twerp.
Posted by: Extraneus | February 26, 2018 at 03:24 PM
Also, if we are to wait until all vestiges of previous administrations are replaced by true believers, since that day will never arrive, why bother?
Posted by: Old Lurker | February 26, 2018 at 03:27 PM
Georgia Conservatives Aim to Derail Delta Airlines State Subsidy After Airline Cuts NRA Ties
Posted by: Extraneus | February 26, 2018 at 03:28 PM
Rocco:
I bet you saw a lot of that in your job.
MM:
I understand your optimism and faith wrt the plan for resolving all this rotten behavior and illegal activity.
However as of today, I am joining OL and CH and JamesD in demanding that some sign of real progress against these criminals be taken very soon.
Awan brothers free to flee at any moment.
Hil and rotten lawyers surrounding her still with immunity deals.
Podesta not charged yet.
It is s travesty of justice and these terrible people actually still think they are home free.
Repeated statements that they are scared and worried are not proven because so far no action has been taken against them.
A year is long enough to gather information and knock some heads together.
Posted by: maryrose | February 26, 2018 at 03:28 PM
Yes, OL gets it right; this is a high exposure fuckup by Mr. Peepers and DJT should be very pissed off.
Posted by: Captain Hate | February 26, 2018 at 03:30 PM
Unseen: https://www.gungoddess.com/products/garter-holster
Posted by: Dave (in MA) | February 26, 2018 at 03:31 PM
Maryrose "However as of today, I am joining OL and CH and JamesD"
Free drinks in honor of MR on the Ledge tonight. Be careful of the flying pigs as you head to the bar.
Posted by: Old Lurker | February 26, 2018 at 03:32 PM
More to the point, Sessions was well known as an immigration hardliner. You'd think this is something he'd be concentrating on.
Posted by: Appalled | February 26, 2018 at 03:32 PM
The somber and serious school agitators in a less scripted moment.
https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/967943709634453504
Posted by: Davod | February 26, 2018 at 03:36 PM
Ol Ricebutt, eh? Haven't we buried him here?
Well, I have.
Posted by: We was takin' it to 'em. | February 26, 2018 at 03:36 PM
Every news cycle on my radio has lead with "Supreme Court rules against Trump on DACA" since the news broke this morning.
Geeks might know the truth in the details, but everybody else hears it as, well, "Supreme Court rules against Trump on DACA".
May 5th comes early, dude!
Posted by: Old Lurker | February 26, 2018 at 03:37 PM
JiB,
I’ve been withholding judgment, but here it is.
My opinion on the shooting: Charlie Foxtrot prior to, during and after. That CF absolutely excludes the on and off duty LEOs that went in, teachers, coaches and students that saved lives, some losing their own, all first responders, citizens that rendered aid. I do include Camera Hogg in the CF category. The more we find out the more angry and saddened I get. 4 or 5 minutes is an eternity to be standing around with both thumbs up your ass while people are shot. Israel is a disgrace.
Back later.
Posted by: gentlejim | February 26, 2018 at 03:38 PM
Wimmins & firearms?
Haven't we settled that here?
I'm reminded of the time a black woman asked how I liked Jackson being replaced on the Twenty Dollar Bill, and I said I loved it; the usurper was a Christian, a Republican, and a gun toter.
Posted by: Annie Oakley, whet your pun. | February 26, 2018 at 03:40 PM
Doesn't anyone remember when Trump got out of the limo to stop the mugger who was shellacking a guy using a baseball bat?
https://i.redd.it/47nvs66gyli01.jpg
Posted by: Porchlight | February 26, 2018 at 03:43 PM
I remembered it at 2:35, Porch.
:-)
Posted by: Threadkiller | February 26, 2018 at 03:45 PM
TK, did.
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | February 26, 2018 at 03:45 PM
Thanks for sharing your opinion, gentlejim. I appreciate you 1st party knowledge of LE.
Posted by: Threadkiller | February 26, 2018 at 03:47 PM
OL:
Make mine either a Bloody Mary or a Gin and Tonic please.
Posted by: maryrose | February 26, 2018 at 03:52 PM
The end of the linked Legal Insurrection article on SCOTUS refusing to hear DACA (for now):
My emphasis.
So the "normal course" was going to result in the same thing happening.
Seems like the thinking was "we'll lose in the 9th either way so why not give it a shot and if SCOTUS will hear it now?"
Posted by: Porchlight | February 26, 2018 at 03:53 PM
Thanks, TK. My apologies.
Posted by: Porchlight | February 26, 2018 at 03:54 PM
Jacobsen seems to think not requesting an emergency stay was more likely a Trump decision to continue DACA negotiations than a nap slap [Sessions' version of a nip slip :)] by Elmer.
Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki | February 26, 2018 at 03:54 PM
No need to apologize, Porch! I am an advocate for multiple links to similar stories.
I only demand recognition with my irritating birther links.
;-)
Posted by: Threadkiller | February 26, 2018 at 03:57 PM
..1st person...
Posted by: Threadkiller | February 26, 2018 at 04:00 PM
Porch "so why not give it a shot and if SCOTUS will hear it now?"
Because of exactly what happened. That guy in the street just heard again and again that SCOTUS ruled against Trump on DACA which makes people other than us think that Trump lost a big one and that sinks in.
Again.
Posted by: Old Lurker | February 26, 2018 at 04:03 PM
Stop straddling that Trump fence Maguire. It's time for you and Patterico to fully comprehend your ambivalence not only on him but Trumpublican antics in general.
Posted by: Bull Moose | February 26, 2018 at 04:08 PM
My niece makes lovely concealed gun handbags for women.https://beenandbadge.com/collections/handbags
Posted by: Clarice Feldman | February 26, 2018 at 04:08 PM
Heh, bin and cache, CF.
Dem ah sum perty pusses.
Posted by: Send shysters, gats, and loot. | February 26, 2018 at 04:15 PM
Of course, we will always have Castle Rock v. Gonzales
Posted by: Neo | February 26, 2018 at 04:16 PM
Those in the middle catch it from either side for insincerity, and then there's the fence.
Posted by: Warbed Buyers. | February 26, 2018 at 04:17 PM