Defensive Gun Use, The CDC, And The Media Cone of Silence

If you are aware of this recent story about the CDC and defensive gun use you are either well-read or a right-wing nut-job (I say this as one who lately has no time to read):

CDC Survey On Defensive Gun Use Was Never Publicized

By Virginia Kruta

Defensive gun use (DGU) happens more regularly in the United States than gun crimes, according to data the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) never publicized.

Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck has been arguing that point for a quarter of a century, saying that his own research led him to believe that DGU was far more prevalent than gun-control advocates claim.

The CDC’s data, collected a few years after Kleck’s survey, appears to corroborate his findings, Reason.com reported. The question asked in the CDC survey addressed the use or threatened use of a firearm to deter a crime. “During the last 12 months, have you confronted another person with a firearm, even if you did not fire it, to protect yourself, your property, or someone else?”

No spoilers here! But lets cut over to Reason.com:

CDC, in Surveys It Never Bothered Making Public, Provides More Evidence That Plenty of Americans Innocently Defend Themselves with Guns

CDC surveys in the 1990s, never publicly reported, indicate nearly 2.5 million defensive uses of guns a year. That matches the results of Gary Kleck's controversial surveys, and it indicates more defensive than offensive uses of guns.

Lest you wonder, yes - in 2013, following an executive order from Obama, the CDC did some studies on gun violence, including a look at defensive gun use ("DGU"). And yes, the report got some attention - here is Will Saletan at Slate in a review of the findings:

7. Guns are used for self-defense often and effectively. “Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year … in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008,” says the report. The three million figure is probably high, “based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys.” But a much lower estimate of 108,000 also seems fishy, “because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use.” Furthermore, “Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was 'used' by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”

So as of 2013 the CDC was willing to include a ballpark that encompassed their 1990s estimates.

And why is this news? Well, in one sense it is not - as best I can tell, and I am relying on their search engine, the flailing NY Times has mentioned neither the latest revelations nor the 2013 report on defensive gun use. FWIW, I did find this March 2018 piece calling for more CDC studies. The intro is oddly off-kilter:

Guns in the home protect families.

For decades, that has been an essential part of the National Rifle Association’s mantra in defending firearms ownership, repeated at congressional hearings, in advertisements and on T-shirts.

Dr. Mark Rosenberg, who once headed research on firearm violence at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, wondered if there was any evidence backing the N.R.A.’s assertion.

“So we looked at the question, does having a gun at home protect your family or not?” Dr. Rosenberg recalled.

He was amazed by the answer. The landmark study in 1993 showed that bringing a gun into the home puts everyone at much greater risk.

“They were saying if you want to keep your family safe, if you are a real man, you will have a gun at home,” Dr. Rosenberg said. “Bringing the gun not only didn’t protect you, it put you at much, much greater risk.”

To this day, gun rights advocates dispute the study’s findings. The N.R.A. pushed Congress in 1995 to stop the C.D.C. from spending taxpayer money on research that advocated gun control. Congress then passed the Dickey Amendment in 1996, and cut funding that effectively ended the C.D.C.’s study of gun violence as a public health issue.

 

"To this day gun rights advocates dispute the study’s findings". As did the CDC seemingly, then and in 2013.

Well. No mention by the Times of the concern that the process will be politicized and the "wrong" results buried. Their national debate on guns never seems to wonder off script.

However, the Todd Frankel of the WaPO did address this in 2015 - his gist - the 2013 study reviewed the current literature (their high-end defensive gun use statistics seem to come from Kleck) but since it called for more study we can't really discuss it. Uh huh.

ERRATA: As an illustration here is the last month's Google News top hits for "Centers for Disease Control defensive gun use". Good luck finding any legacy media at all.

 And continuing...

Comments

[RattlerGator]

Yo !!!

[henry]

Yo !!! Apparently we can't discuss it. Doesn't fit the narrative.

[RattlerGator]

I'm feeling damn good tonight. Julie tied in my column with the "Dragon Energy" push from the President and Kanye today. Super, super satisfied.

Bring down the Dragon Energy on these bitches. The Bottom Bitches https://t.co/BGRI8dcPYc

— Julie Ponzi (@JuliePonzi) April 25, 2018

And I presume y'all have linked this but I'll link it again:

Here’s Why Jeff Sessions Might Be Playing 4-D Chess
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/heres-jeff-sessions-might-playing-4-d-chess/

Ya damn skippy !!!

This is like election night all over again.

[daddy]

Who did the background checks on Comey's butt-buddy Professor?

[narciso79]

You can print everything but the truth, death panels, and the toxic effects of qe infinity are in the same category.

[henry]

Congrats RG! Don't know about 4D chess, most seems ex post rationalization rather than ex ante explanation. But I'll take any positive results as simple leadership in action. (Except that rat bastard Sessions and his FCPA crap, that is normal government overreach to no good purpose).

On TM's topic, do they ever look at crime stats in areas felons might expect armed victims vs unarmed? They do tend to hit schools instead of police stations after all.

[narciso79]

Peoples exhibit # 23, the larch:

https://dailycaller.com/2018/04/25/lawsuit-christopher-steele-dossier

[Ralph L]

WSJ: this might be as much of a threat to American democracy as anything Mr. Trump has said or done?
Ya think it might be more?
What exactly has Trump done that's a threat?

[narciso79]

Poorly phrased but then the truth is often:

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/384944-mcconnell-hits-back-at-ridiculous-chinaperson-remark

[Frau Edith Steingehirn]

Thanks TM!!!
Good reading comprehension test for Master Hogg and his posse.

[matt - deplorable me]

So in the car Hannity was on and he and his associates noted that Comey has hired his law professor/leaker buddy and Fitzgerald to represent him. I immediately questioned his professor buddy's status, as he is a party to any age that develops. This is deep state dirty pool that once again just confirms many people's suspicions that the game is rigged.

Come's sworn statements before Congress will be used against him in any litigation as well. Arrogant and stupid don't mix well.

Hannity was saying that the IG's report has further bombshells. I think slowly, slowly, the worm is turning on the establishment.

[matt - deplorable me]

clarification: Hannity was not in the car. But he did get a good night's rest at Holiday Inn Express.

[Captain Hate]

Who did the background checks on Comey's butt-buddy Professor?

Probably nobody. Reverend Queasy had to get him a badge to wear when he was traipsing around looking at data with Jimbo just to get him past security. Professor Fuzznuts was doubtlessly looking at data he had no clearance to view but it was in the company of Mr Blue Shirt Revolution.

[narciso79]

There is the discrepancy between how these memos were represented, and their actual content

[narciso79]

A pet peeve, by why doesn't anybody point put the classifications of the immigration pause are in legislation.

[Davod]

"A GENTLER, KINDER, MORE INCLUSIVE KILLING FORCE"
By Tim Blair in Australia.

"Miranda Devine deals with Lt General Angus Campbell, change commander [Chief of the Defence Force], leader of the woke brigade and the man who hates the ghost who walks:

Try to understand where Campbell, AO, DSC, no armchair general like his predecessor but a seasoned former SAS squadron commander, might be coming from.

Campbell’s first act after being announced as new Chief of Defence last week was to ban Australian soldiers from displaying “symbols of death” or iconography glorifying war …Campbell’s edict has gone down like a lead balloon, especially with those Australian veterans who served in Task Force Spartan in Afghanistan in 2006, a joint endeavour with the United States’ 10th Mountain Division. Are their JT Spartan caps now verboten?

And what about the RAAF’s C-27J Spartan Squadron operating the C-27J Spartan battlefield airlifter out of Richmond air base? What do they do about the “Spartan” on their Squadron patch?

Maybe Campbell will change it to this.

The US Infantry has a Spartan combat brigade. Canadian military drills are named “Spartan Warrior”. The British use “Spartan” armoured vehicles.

Pirate skulls is one thing, but banning the Spartan mythology embedded in modern militaries is control freakery beyond the power of any general."

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/a-gentler-kinder-more-inclusive-killing-force/news-story/237e503fa8f3ebae5672642cb8ca0964

[Janeprobably about 10 minutes after getting ther]

RG, I so hope you are right. Do you think Trump knows?

[RattlerGator]

Absolutely, positively Jane.

[Eye Doctor]

Did Comey's professor buddy leak a redacted version of the memos to the NYT? Is he in legal jepordy?

[narciso79]

Apparently with the truth redacted, how far have you gotten with 'Greeks bearing gifts'

[narciso79]

Interesting perspective:

https://amgreatness.com/2018/04/25/justice-thomas-asks-do-aliens-enjoy-constitutional-protections/

[RattlerGator]

More about the 4D chess: I think it is entirely planned that this occurred (I'm talking about Kanye West today) on the very day when Emmanuel Macron gave an address in Congress showing genuine friendship (Trump-Macron, USA-France, etc.) may be had when real disagreements remain.

The combined symbolism of this should not be underestimated.

Years ago a very popular R&B group, En Vogue, had a hit called FREE YOUR MIND. It's a simplistic song, but then again it isn't. Segments of Black America have been trying to break out of an identity poltics prison for years. Today, this song seems especially relevant.

Free Your Mind
En Vogue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7iQbBbMAFE

[Intro]
Prejudice, wrote a song about it
Like to hear it? Here it go
Free your mind

[Verse 1]
Cindy: I wear tight clothing, high heeled shoes
It doesn't mean that I'm a prostitute, no no
Dawn: I like rap music, wear hip hop clothes
That doesn't mean that I'm out sellin' dope, no no no
Terry: Oh my forgive me for having straight hair, no
It doesn't mean there's another blood in my heir, yeah yeah
Maxine: I might date another race or color
It doesn't mean I don't like my strong black brothers

[Pre-Chorus]
Mmm-dah, mmm-dah, mmm-dah, mmm-dah
Why oh why must it be this way?
Mmm-dah, mmm-dah, mmm-dah, mmm-dah
Before you can read me you gotta learn how to see me, I said

[Chorus]
Free your mind and the rest will follow
Be color blind, don't be so shallow
Free your mind and the rest will follow
Be color blind, don't be so shallow

[Verse 2]
Cindy: So I'm a sista, buy things with cash
That really doesn't mean that all my credit's bad, oh
Dawn: So why dispute me and waste my time?
Because you really think the price is high for me
Terry: I can't look without being watched, and oh
You rang my buy before I made up my mind, OW!
Maxine: Oh now attitude, why even bother?
I can't change your mind, you can't change my color

[Pre-Chorus]
Mmm-dah, mmm-dah, mmm-dah, mmm-dah
Why oh why must it be this way?
Mmm-dah, mmm-dah, mmm-dah, mmm-dah
Before you can read me you gotta learn how to see me, I said

[Chorus]
Free your mind and the rest will follow
Be color blind, don't be so shallow
Free your mind and the rest will follow
Be color blind, don't be so shallow
Free your mind and the rest will follow
Be color blind, don't be so shallow
Free your mind and the rest will follow
Be color blind, don't be so shallow
Free your mind

[Break]

[Pre-Chorus]
Mmm-dah, mmm-dah, mmm-dah, mmm-dah
Why oh why must it be this way?
Before you can read me you gotta learn how to see me, I said

[Chorus]
Free your mind and the rest will follow
Be color blind, don't be so shallow
Free your mind and the rest will follow
Be color blind, don't be so shallow
Free your mind and the rest will follow
Be color blind, don't be so shallow
Free your mind and the rest will follow
Be color blind, don't be so shallow
FREE YOUR MIND!

[Eye Doctor]

They're Philistines

[narciso79]

The Joyce foundation steered the ever more selective children's crusades who becomes more pathetic, like which dc comics film after man of steel:

https://babalublog.com/2018/04/24/the-so-called-election-of-a-president-in-cuba-and-the-medias-fake-news-coverage/

[matt - deplorable me]

Jut got a nice jolt from the past. Having recently switched from MSFT to Apple I got a real deal on a 2012 lightly used Mac. Thank God it came with a CD/DVD player/reader.

iTunes is one of Satan's creations. I have @ 600GB of music including some very rare stuff. iTunes refuses to recognize my classic iPod, my music that was on the PC or my external drives. F you iTunes!

So I am loading a bunch of my CD's back the old fashioned way and I found a post mortem anthology of Steve Goodman's best. I met him and a bunch of other folkies back when I was 13-14 years old at the club not too far from home, the Main Point, in Bryn Mawr. They used to hang out between sets out back and I would talk with them. Jimmy Buffett, Bill Withers, John Prine and Steve were the ones I remember.

I never knew that Prine co wrote "The I don't Know Where I'm Going But I'm Going in No Hurry Blues." Prime refused writer's credit, so Goodman bought him a Wurlitzer jukebox.

Steve was a charming, wonderful man taken far too early.

P.S. Apple spellcheck sucks. Had to re-type Prine's spelling each time.

[narciso79]

We discover with fall of heaven, that the French were dangerously misled about the shah largely because of the 'black legend' that bani sadr spread to the likes of Eric rouleau.

[narciso79]

Dark magic, conjured up on Mt. Doom.

[daddy on iPad]

This link works better for me than the one above: EXCLUSIVE: The Daily Caller News Foundation And Judicial Watch Sue For Christopher Steele Records

[daddy on iPad]

JMH,

Thanks for the McGurn paste. Much appreciated. Dennis Prager made great use of it.

[JM Hanes]

RG:

What with the Candace Owen/Kanye brouhaha, and then Kim K's defense of Kanye... I think we may be witnessing the beginning of a potentially game changing cascade. Isn't it amazing where the impetus for change can come from? I never would have guessed this one (and from the guy who was once famous for saying President Bush doesn't like black people, no less).

[narciso79]

Yes I don't get where I went wrong?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/trump-russia-probe-michael-caputo-witness-faces-financial-ruin/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NR%20Daily%20Monday%20through%20Friday%202018-04-25&utm_term=NR5PM%20Actives

In the beatings will continue file,

[Tom R]

Jimmy Buffett mentions Goodman in Prince of Tides. Think he also mentions him in the concert album You Had to Be There.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/04/25/president-donald-trump-joins-fox-friends-thursday-exclusive-interview

Extensive phone interview at 8AM tomorrow.

[narciso79]

The one that can't sing a note. Caused a similar reaction:

https://spectator.org/the-washington-posts-opportunistic-exploitation-of-holocaust-survivors/

[henry]

Narciso, must be that 4D chess thing again.

[Captain Hate]

(and from the guy who was once famous for saying President Bush doesn't like black people, no less).

And has crashed some televised award events to badmouth Taylor Swift. Maybe he's legit in this or maybe he's playing DJT; who knows. He's saying stuff which would be hard to realistically walk back so I'd guess legit; but seemingly at times as crazy as a shithouse rat counts for something too.

[daddy on iPad]

Did Comey's professor buddy leak a redacted version of the memos to the NYT? Is he in legal jepordy?

I suppose there's always the possibility that Comey just went ahead and gave clarance and unpaid Employment status as FBI Agents to New York Times reporters, just like he apparently did for his Butt-Buddy Prof. Under that umbrella maybe none of 'em would be guilty of nothing.

[clarice feldman]

Look at the bright side--now that the Kardashian name is involved, Trump might actually get some coverage in the press.

[narciso79]

Yes dyson spheres encompass smaller egos, meanwhile Russell bought him ahem secured the dropping of charges against him.

[Tom R]

Kanye West gained around 9 million followers on Twitter today to push him up to 27.8 million followers. I wonder how many of those took their first ever red pill today?

[Captain Hate]

I saw Steve Goodman open for Leo Kottke at the Kennedy Center in 1974.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

clarice,

That is quite true, and ChiTown Lurker and I think this was pre-planned by the master reality show president.

He just had Macron here demonstrating that you can be good friends and disagree.

Stage 2 is Kanye. I am interested to hear what he has to say tomorrow on Fox and Friends.

[Frau Edith Steingehirn]

If it was directed at me, narciso, I've finished "Greeks Bearing Gifts." I tried to read slowly but it got away from me. It seems the Greeks still hate the Germans with the heat of a thousand suns. The Italians got off better.

[GUS]

Here's the deal Daddy. Richman was given the FBI GOVERNMENT OWNED MEMO'S by COMEY, for the purpose of having them leaked to The New York Slimes.
Either Comey is guilty of providing the news media/Richman with the GOVT OWNED MEMO'S or RICHMAN is. Comey then told us that RICHMAN is his personal attorney. NOT A CHANCE. Why? because COMEY also told us that RICHMAN was hired as an unpaid SPECIAL EMPLOYEE, thus precluding him from working against the govt, and for COMEY.

Comey is a bag o'douche, and he ABSOLUTELY needs JAIL TIME.

[Frau Edith Steingehirn]

clarice - Does the MAGA hat make Kim's butt look bigger?

[Frau Edith Steingehirn]

JMH - Yes, many thanks. I printed out the WSJ article you (shhhhh!) shared.

[Rocco]

Comey gave it to Fitz too...perfect!

[narciso79]

I think they have a little reason with the likes of max mertens not to mention alois brunner.

[clarice feldman]

How many lawyers will he claim to cover all the folks he passed it to.

Scott Adams on why we are now in a Golden Agehttps://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays?ref_src=twsrc%5Eappleosx%7Ctwcamp%5Esafari%7Ctwgr%5Eprofile

[narciso79]

Another California candidate:

https://freebeacon.com/politics/west-virginia-dem-candidate-owns-calif-property-near-pelosi-estate-sided-pelosis-husband-winery-project-dispute

[Rocco]

Well have to assume all of them now. Scooter smiles! In retrospect, his pardon looks like a shot across Fitzy's bow.

[Account Deleted]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JphDdGV2TU

[RattlerGator]

Quit messing with me, KK! I gots to leave now; gonna be dreaming all night long.

Later, Gators.

[fdcol63 🇺🇸]

Frau @ 9:49PM

”It seems the Greeks still hate the Germans with the heat of a thousand suns.”

This is the truth! My wife’s parents are from an island in the Dodecanese, the southeast Greek island group that includes Rhodes and Kos, bordering Turkey.

If you ever watch “Captain Corelli’s Mandolin”, you get a sense of what it was like. The islands had flip-flopped in and out of Italian control before the war and at the beginning, then the Germans took control in 1943 when the Italians switched sides.

The Germans were very brutal. No love lost between them even today. Hated just behind the Turks.

[Jim Eagle]

Just lost a big update on our school saving efforts. Typhoid fever set in again and I am a premium member. Another few dollars down the drain.

Clarice, I got your comment and will incorporate. Smooches.

[narciso]

Now the green rebels, eda/elas who were supported by Tito, as in many instances were typified as the anti Nazis, and some of the film's that followed them let us say their hands weren't entirely clean.

One reporter who examined the situation George Polk ended up dead. We're not exactly sure who did it.

[clarice feldman]

Many years ago we were in Crete and drove up into the mountains one afternoon. As we headed off someone--I think the hotel concierge-- told me the people there were friendly but armed. A few years earlier, he said, a German visitor went into s grocery there and asked in perfect Greek for something. The shopkeeper asked him where he'd learned Greek and the German replied he'd been stationed there during the war. The grocer took out a gun from behind the counter and shot the terrorist dead.

[Texas Liberty Gal]

Has Trump commented at all about Macron's address to Congress? I checked twitter but nothing was posted.

[Jim Eagle]

clarice,

I believe there is another story like that but in Corsica.

[narciso]

I wouldn't doubt it, the Maquis were quite thorough. Although there were Corsicans,on both sides.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

KANYE WEST
🇺🇸
‏ @KanyeWoke
19m19 minutes ago

why is it such a big deal to find out that someone isn’t a Democrat? You’re not allowed to assume someone’s gender but you’re allowed to assume their Political affiliation? This is 2018.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://www.wfaa.com/article/features/houston-hotel-shares-famous-chocolate-chip-cookie-recipe-from-barbara-bush/285-545773609

[narciso]

Reasons for concern:

https://www.thecipherbrief.com/kim-jong-un-whats-next-korea

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Baba97 and 4 others liked
Louie Gohmert
‏Verified account @replouiegohmert
7h7 hours ago

What I have accumulated here is absolutely shocking upon the realization that #Mueller's disreputable, twisted history speaks to the character of the man placed in a position to attempt to legalize a coup against a lawfully-elected President. DOWNLOAD:

https://www.hannity.com/media-room/gohmert-mueller-unmasked/

=========================

Report can be downloaded at the Hannity site.

[narciso]

Awkward but not surprising;

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/24/liberal-think-tank-run-by-clinton-ally-tanden-hit-for-response-to-sexual-harassment.html

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Fox News
‏Verified account @FoxNews

.@SenateMajLdr on Pompeo nomination for Secretary of State: "We'll be confirming him tomorrow and there are now five Democrats who've come on board. There should have been a lot more." #TheStory

[Eye Doctor]

Comey; High-Level Officials Testify Against Fired FBI Chiefs, Set Stage for Grand Juries
https://truepundit.com/doj-key-fbi-brass-flip-on-mccabe-high-level-officials-testify-against-fired-fbi-chiefs-set-stage-for-grand-juries/

[narciso]

Eggman erickson, not surprisingly has agita over melania.

[Tom R]

The video from Scott Adams from clarice's 9:59 was well worth the 20 minutes spent watching it.

[narciso]

So why do we waste time on it?

https://www.algemeiner.com/2018/04/25/us-diplomat-leading-negotiations-with-europe-on-future-of-iran-deal-jcpoa-is-not-a-treaty-and-has-no-legal-status/

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

From the last thread;

"You are welcome as my neighbor no matter where you're from."

San Quentin?
NRA HQ?
Trump Tower?

[narciso]

I'm surprised he,was able to get out of the dungeon, sarc:

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/pj-gladnick/2018/04/25/jake-tapper-and-ellen-degeneres-discuss-horrors-guess-who

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Tom R.,

I watched it too and I agree. Well worth my time.

Bu the way, that is the video which Kanye West taped from his own screen and sent several clips from over Twitter, provoking a bunch of attacks on Adams, who isn't bothered.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Hurricane Watcher liked
Emmanuel Macron
‏Verified account @EmmanuelMacron
2h2 hours ago

Flying back to Paris.
From Brigitte and I, thank you @realDonaldTrump, @FLOTUS for hosting us on the occasion of your first State visit. Unforgettable memories and a great honor to our very special relationship.

[narciso]

Re Hiroshima, it was the leading naval facility in the south, that hadn't been bombed.

[daddy]

On Friday we do a straight shot from here to Taipei, which is excellent news since they make good Martini's at "The 7 Scholars" Lounge (Verandah)

But the large jar of big Martini Olives they keep behind the Hotel bar strictly for me is empty, following my last visit, so I'm like Humphrey Bogart's father in Sabrina, holding an empty Olive jar and desperate (Ledge)

But I'm confident in my ability to smuggle another large jar into country so I hustled down to the local SafeWay to replenish (Verandah)

But sad to say the large jug of Green Martini Olive's with Blue Cheese inserts was sold out (Ledge)

But I can get by in Taipei with the ones that have Garlic inserts (Verandah)

But I had planned to sneak 2 extra jugs of the one's with the Blue Cheese inserts thru China into Japan, for my Belgium Buddy who owns the Jet Lag Club, since he's a Blue Cheese freak (Ledge)

So I'll have to beg sympathy and stick with Saki and Beer for my Narita layover, and that may just be enough payoff for him to let me walk his dog, "Inop." (Verandah!)

[JM Hanes]

matt:

"Apple spellcheck sucks. Had to re-type Prine's spelling each time."

You can tell it to learn a spelling.

Double click on the word you've written, then right click (or control click) on it and you should see an option "Learn Spelling." Click it to add your spelling to spellcheck/dictionary.

If you do NOT see that option, then slide down to "Spelling and Grammar" in the contextual menu and click "Show Spelling and Grammar." You'll find the "Learn" option in the subsequent pop-up dialog.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/25/democrats-silent-highest-ranking-openly-gay-nominee-ever/

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Heading to bed. What a news day!

Nytol!

[Threadkiller]

I refuse to get the app that allows me to check in on Scott Adams to see if he can make a point quickly and concisely. Here is a YouTube version of the above mentioned video:

Scott Adams tells you how Kanye showed the way to The Golden Age. With coffee.

https://youtu.be/UEHrndvoefw

I made it about 3min then I skipped to the 5min mark. Then I gave up.

He isn't my style of speaker so I won't dismiss whatever the content of the link provided for others. I cannot watch him for 20 min.

Does someone have a brief summary of this and why it is so poignant?

[jimmyk]

You’re not allowed to assume someone’s gender but you’re allowed to assume their Political affiliation?

Wow, I'm starting to believe Kanye might be one of us, despite his history. Kind of like Roseanne.

Is that truepundit story at 10:55 for real? Pretty exciting development if so.

In both cases (Kanye, truepundit) I think "trust but verify" might be in order.

[clarice feldman]

TK, he argues that some things never were achieved because people persuaded themselves othing like what they wanted to happen could happen, but Trump said forget about that and went and did it. And now people like Kanye are starting to express the same thought--we can stand up and just do it.Revving up he economy, smashing ISIS, getting NoKo to stop its nuclear program, winning the presidency.

[Threadkiller]

Kanyewoke is a parody account, Jimmy.

Fake tweet.

[Threadkiller]

So it a Tony Robbins type of "you can do it" observation?

[narciso]

Well there is reAl audacity, to tackle so many projects at once.

[Threadkiller]

I remember reading the Trump story about the ice rink. In that article either he was quoted as saying, or someone said they heard him say, "You can get anything done through the sheer force of will."

That is the attitude I voted for, so I may not be as surprised as Adams is.

[Threadkiller]

Nytol.

[rich]

working on catch up at the momement, but this CH comment (and the other comments this is in response to) ...

>>>And has crashed some televised award events to badmouth Taylor Swift. Maybe he's legit in this or maybe he's playing DJT; who knows. He's saying stuff which would be hard to realistically walk back so I'd guess legit; but seemingly at times as crazy as a shithouse rat counts for something too.

Posted by: Captain Hate | April 25, 2018 at 09:38 PM<<<

My spidey sense is tingling. There might be something ugly about to come out and the cultural battle lines (in the African American community especially) are being draw. He might be batshit crazy, but he's also and entertainer and can read an audience.

In re: Swift, I thought he had recently made a statement of some sort. I think if he were to apologize for it she'd be gracious.

[JM Hanes]

TK:

I've got almost zero twitter skilz. Do you know if this quote is for real?
"Obama was in office for eight years and nothing in Chicago changed."

[rich]

Posted by: Threadkiller | April 25, 2018 at 11:52 PM

the item that stuck with me is that he asked why were they using an engineering firm that builds ice rinks in Florida ... a rather different challenge.

[narciso]

Things are not what they seem:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-20/stormy-daniels-judge-prods-trump-lawyer-to-cite-fifth-amendment

[Threadkiller]

That one appears to be legit, JMH.

https://mobile.twitter.com/kanyewest

[narciso]

The ones on the other side were called the carlingue.

[JM Hanes]

Thanks, TK!

[Threadkiller]

👍 Now it is bedtime for sure.

[narciso]

A little background:

http://offbeat-paris.net/16arr.htm

[jimmyk]

Maggie Haberman faceplants:

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/989329777709469697

She needs a geology lesson from Miss M.

She also tries this:

Maggie Haberman
‏Verified account @maggieNYT
2h2 hours ago

The Trump/Kanye mind meld is mayyybe the least surprising thing of the year.

So lets see how many people predicted it.

[daddy]

GUS: So Big Jimbo behind curtain #2, has a personal attorney, whom is an unpaid employee of the F.B.I..

Me: isn't there some sort of workplace Law that would demand that as an employee of the FBI you must be compensated in some fashion?

Clarice: There is, daddy and there needs to be a written contract...Special Government Employees (SGE)

Let's see the documentation.

I'm for that!

[rich]

I don't think I would have, but that isn't quite what we spin here at KJOM.

I'm also not seeing a 40-ish year old NYC feminist really not being able to relate ...

... a bit of background ... naw, not going to post that here cause I'm not going to my dark place tonight.

[narciso]

She doesn't get anything that doesnt come off a risotto tray.