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May 24, 2018

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JM Hanes

Eye Doctor:

"Dismantling the Clinton Foundation is a must. And never let Obama or any other set up a laudermat like that again."

Alas, Obama has been laundering money from the start -- I called out Organinzing for America (Obma for America's "successor" organization) over at Quasiblog back in March of 2009. The whole Chicago "community" complex goes the Clinton Foundation one better. I was glad to see it challenged in court, but I don't see that steamroller coming to a halt.

Have you heard anything about Valerie Jarrett lately? She's the one who seemed to be setting up shop in the Obama's Washington digs, no? I wouldn't be surprised if Obama really didn't know about a lot of the things he claimed he found out from the press just like everybody else, because he's just ValJar's pretty public face. He gets to play Presidential; she runs the show. Barack & Michelle make movies for Netflix; ValJar makes them the really big money.

Threadkiller

Of course. Any such email would qualify as an "agency record" as far as I understand it.

Yep. So if Tom's point was that Stzrok and Page are allowed to keep their love letters under wraps, then I agree. But I can't figure out why he would make that point when it is immaterial.

GUS

Of course they are agency records. Rodhams PERSONAL SERVER was filled with AGENCY RECORDS,
so are Strzok and Page's phones.

Tom R

I don't know about an OL post at 1:39, but if I am correct then what I specifically quoted from you isn't supported.

It's really simple. If the DOJ has 13000 pages of emails between Strzok and Page and that 13000 includes both government and personal emails as you believe, then OL is completely wrong in his 1:39 and subsequent posts.

Possessing their personal emails would clearly indicate full due diligence on the part of Horowitz/Huber to get a search warrant to acquire Strzok/Pages personal communications. OL appears to have completely misinterpreted the Judicial Watch press release and believes the government failed to acquire this evidence and he then took that even further to claim its more proof that Sessions, Rosenstein and Wray are trying to protect their Swamp pals.


Porchlight

Yes, anything - texts, documents, emails, etc. including stuff uploaded but never sent - that is related to agency work is an agency record, as I understand it.

IDK either TK, re: your 2:43.

Eye Doctor

The evidence against Obama is extensive. If not for Deep State Mueller, Obama would never had made it out of Chicago.

Old Lurker

Steph "Just make sure you don't killfile Clarice, OL,"

Only trolls, Steph.

Clarice lives too close and could hurt me if she wanted to.

Porchlight

Hi JMH. How effing creepy is it that ValJar lives in the Obama house?

I mean imagine if Rove had moved in with George and Laura in 2009.

Gross.

Threadkiller

It's really simple. If the DOJ has 13000 pages of emails between Strzok and Page.....blah...

I'm curious. Do we settle up on the specific quote from you, or do we go forward as if I was talking to you about something else?

If it is the latter I tip my hat to you. You have found a way to encourage me to not engage you for awhile.

I am open, though, to going through this one step at a time.

Old Lurker

Enjoy:

https://ntknetwork.com/hillary-clinton-wants-to-be-ceo-of-facebook/

Eye Doctor

Tom R wants us to believe this is all be done by the book. Good luck with that, Tom

Tom R

TK,

If you want me to respond to something specific you will have to repeat it since there have been multiple back and forths with lots of quoting.

I have just pointed out that if you are correct then OL has to be wrong. I honestly don't know with 100% certainty that you are correct but I think you are and that Horowitz/Huber not only have Strzok/Page's personal emails but the personal communications of multiple Obama officials.

maryrose

They could have 13000 but is that all of them or just the ones they didn’t delete?I think from all appearances, the FBI and DOJ are slow walking all of this to protect people or possibly themselves.
Their refusal to redact and hand over documents is unprecedented.
It will be up to President Trump to declassify everything per Kim Strassel and give complete transparency.

Eye Doctor

Tom R

Do you have any connections or affiliations with the DoJ

Jim Eagle

OL,

I only killfile the obvious trolls. I have had beefs and mixers with a few of our regulars but nothing for me to killfile them but then you know who "it" is and we don't so it doesn't matter.

Are you on the island? How are the crowds. Today we drove out to East Hampton for an estate sale and had to take the Sagg-Wainscott short cut to save at least 1/2 hour on 25 minute trip:) Came back via Channing Daughters to pick up some summer wines and the cars heading east on the Seven Ponds short cut were in the hundreds back all the way up to Halsey's Farm Market. That is about a 3 mile back up on a two lane country road.

We're off to a hellva start. I dread the thought of having to leave the house and go somewhere further than the beaches or village this weekend. Parylsis on the roads.

Threadkiller

Really Tom? What post of mine did you 1st respond to? I can link it even though it was just over an hour ago.

If I have to do a reprint I would start with your 1:40 and print everything between us until we reached this page. But that seems unnecessary when you can simply scroll back.

GUS

""not only have Strzok/Page's personal emails but the personal communications of multiple Obama officials.""

Personal e-mails??? What do you mean by that Tom R. ??

Extraneus

Don’t ever text me on this phone again.

The quote was "Please don't ever text me again."

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/7vvkjc/please_dont_ever_text_me_again_paige_to_strozk/

Beasts of England

'I am open, though, to going through this one step at a time.'

Hall of Fame nominee: Driest Comment Evah at JOM

Threadkiller

I honestly don't know with 100% certainty that you are correct but I think you are and that Horowitz/Huber not only have Strzok/Page's personal emails but the personal communications of multiple Obama officials.

::groan::

I desperately didn't want to skip ahead but I may as well. Please quote me saying what you have attributed to me.

Frau Steingehirn

OL - I like you just the way you are.

Threadkiller

Hall of Fame nominee: Driest Comment Evah at JOM

All that Internet winning got me rattled.

maryrose

It is Friday and once again no indictments, no I G report and Groundhog’s Day

Extraneus

This was good, linked by Davod.

(Click to enlarge.)

"Benign Information Gathering"

JM Hanes

TomR:

"If the DOJ has 13000 pages of emails between Strzok and Page and that 13000 includes both government and personal emails as you believe, then OL is completely wrong in his 1:39 and subsequent posts."

Those "personal emails" could easily refer to personal emails exchanged via government devices, not necessarily sent from their personal, private, devices. If the government had already impounded the messages from their persona phones, home computers, etc. the the order to preserve them in situ makes zero sense.

I also question what I believe was your blythe assumption that the DoJ can just call up the NSA records of any communication anybody's ever sent -- especially when it comes to the provision of evidence in court and/or FOIAble material.

I think OL's point is a lot easier to see and his argument more persuasive than yours is!

Beasts of England

I laughed at both those comments out loud, TK. Bravo, sir.

Stephanie, Nene, Not your Normal Grandma

http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/unexpected-airport-arrival-dog-gives-birth-at-tampa-international

Feel good story of the day..

Threadkiller

I better quit while I'm ahead, BoE!

Frau Steingehirn

...and, OL, I have the feeling that Clarice would never hurt you unless it were truly necessary!
KWIM?

maryrose

I never killfile anyone and I agree with Frau.
OL is fine the way he is and I enjoy his posts.

henry

New thread

Extraneus

Nolte — Why Hillary Really Lost: Obama Didn’t Send Spies to Help Her Campaign

Tom R

TK,

Going back to the 1:40, my question to OL was intended to prompt him to display some honesty and admit he made a mistake. That apparently failed and instead of admitting he made a mistake he decided to just label me a troll and put me on killfile. That is his choice. It's not the first time he has acted like that.

The recent back and forth between you an I was based on your response that you believed the 13000 emails consisted of both government and personal emails. I happen to agree with you on that. If we are correct and Horowitz/Huber do indeed have Strzok/page's personal communication then that is a good sign for the future.

Gentlejim

Explosive Hall of Fame nominating Disorder!!!


:)

Marlene

Speaking of tourists... even here in the Maine woods the out of state license plates are everywhere. It is also hot here today. We are enjoying "The Porch",which is somewhere between 'The Verandah" and "The Ledge." :)
We are watching the baby otters swimming in the stream. Life is good.

Jim Eagle

You have to understand that in Florida, our Publix supermarkets are almost heaven for their convenience, cleanliness, great foods and employee service. Publix is an institution like Oranges, Gators and Conch fritters, and Young Mr. Piggy doesn't undersand that but the commenters below this tweet do. Some classics.

https://twitter.com/CBS4NEWSDESK/status/999965966103666688/photo/1

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Well, the laundry is all done, so is the vacuuming. I even washed the dog bowls!

My last task is mopping the kitchen, but I am waiting until my son gets back with cat food for Edgar, who does NOT like to miss a meal!

My son locked the littlest dog, Jack, outside by accident, so I was sitting here earlier and heard a bark. Jack had gotten through a gap in the fence and was at the front door, waiting for me to let him in! I think that is pretty smart!

maryrose

Gentle Jim:
Now that was a funny post!

Marlene

Oh yeah,Jack! I'm having Publix withdrawal!

Frau Steingehirn

Has anyone else chuckled over the optimism of Jon "MF Global" Corzine starting a new hedge fund?

JM Hanes

narciso:

Just ordered Fidel: Hollywood’s Favorite Tyrant. Thanks for bringing Luis Posada Carriles to JOM's attention. It's hard/not hard to believe that Cuba may end up importing sugar. And I haven't forgotten your comments on Winik, either, I've just found myself spiraling in a different direction

maryrose

Marlene:
You really know how to appreciate the good things in life!
Good for you, it is inspiring to me.

Porchlight

Publix is a terrific chain, although the quality/cleanliness varies somewhat. I always enjoy my FL visits to the grocery store.

Threadkiller

Leaving aside your claim that I claimed that the OIG has the personal communication and sticking to what I quoted from Judicial Watch, is this, from you, a question that is formed from a statement that is incorrect?

Do you agree with me that Strzok and Page's personal communications on their personal phones/computers are protected by their Constitutional rights and not eligible for a FOIA request by Judicial Watch?

The statement, would appear as:

Strzok and Page's personal communications on their personal phones/computers are protected by their Constitutional rights and not eligible for a FOIA request by Judicial Watch.

Or is it correct because you were informing OL that Stzrok and Page's pillow talk, that isn't related to anything, is protected?

maryrose

Frau:
I have and on Cavuto , Charles Gasparino actually said ,” Well that IMF situation doesn’t help Corrine.
It is their hubris that no one will remember the fraud they perpetrated that gets me.

Gentlejim

Thnx, maryrose.

Threadkiller

LOL Gentlejim!!

GUS

TK, the problem with TOM R. as I see it... is that he knows a whole lot less than he THINKS he KNOWS.

Threadkiller

https://youtu.be/Mn-_lBQrzE8

JM Hanes

TomR:

"Going back to the 1:40, my question to OL was intended to prompt him to display some honesty and admit he made a mistake"

Wow! That's pretty arrogant, so I'll return play. It took a long time to teach one of my kids that if you want to engage in productive debate, you need to make do with winning an argument, not demanding that your fellow debater also acknowledge that you were right and he was wrong. And in this case, it's not at all clear to me that you are even in the right.

Old Lurker

Jack "Are you on the island?"

I95 Saturday to YL's house in CT. Then the "truck ferry" to Nantucket Sunday afternoon.

narciso

You're welcome, jm, Michael burleigh covers similar axis to winik in the 20th century

Old Lurker

OL hearts Frau.

Tom R

Wow! That's pretty arrogant

JM Hanes,

Have you read the entire thread? You may want to do that if you haven't. This all started from OL's 1:39 yesterday and I think I did a pretty good job of documenting how he misinterpreted the Judicial Watch press release. I've certainly been more respectful toward OL than he has to me.

Threadkiller

Your back on this thread? This is confusing.

Old Lurker

Frau "Has anyone else chuckled over the optimism of Jon "MF Global" Corzine starting a new hedge fund?"

As funny as Hillary "you mean with a cloth" Clinton running Facebook?

GUS

I'm pretty sure JMHANES can read TOM R. Are you suggesting that JMH didn't see what JMH saw??
Take your medicine TOM R. It'll make you well again.

Threadkiller

There is a new thread but be sure to have your hand timestamped or the bouncer won't let you back in.

narciso

As I was positing on another blog, steele had been blown like Michael Weston in 99, he couldn't go to Russia, this was still in the era when the oligarchs, were supreme. The only people that would associate with him was this Pablo miller character who was skripals handler and a burn out across the orals in litvinenko who would incur the kremlins wrath just by associating with berezovsky, he inturn was being
Fed info by the Chechen rep in london zakaev

JM Hanes

TomR:

"I've certainly been more respectful toward OL than he has to me."

It's tough to think of much that's more fundamentally insulting than questioning someone's honety, but let's press on. I've worked too hard catching up to take time out for a retrospective!

Kevlar Kid

I'm not sure there is a fig leaf of 1st Am't privacy for federal employees who use a non-government issue mobile device to discuss federal business while at or away from the office.

"Ex oficio" has to apply to some degree. If it doesn't, even to the slightest degree, we may see a precedent-setting series of prosecution of government employees.

Are they guaranteed any expectation of privacy when they use "off road" communications to communicate re their covert activities?

Re the NSA illegally acquiring comms from non-governmental devices. I was under the impression that NSA harvests GazilliaBYtes of data by the second, but it's raw. Of course, the NSA has the ability to mine it and convert it to intelligible messages.

Isn't that what a warrant would be needed for. to task NSA with converting raw data to intelligible messages and then unmask these SOBeeZ?

And wouldn't the disclosed FBI messages between Stroker and Pagina give probable cause to justify a warrant?

Please rescue me if I am one step from a bed in Bellevue.

;)

Eye Doctor

Tom R

Have I treated you with respect?

Kevlar Kid

"We can state our opinion and don’t have to retract previous statements just because another poster thinks he has a better handle on it."

Heaven forbid it would be a she, right MC?

Eye Doctor

Or is it reverence you seek, Tom?

Kevlar Kid

ValJarr is up to her beady little olives in EVERYTHING. She was the Chief Executive.

I'll take her head on a pike over Flinchy the Rat's. That ValJarr is out of the news cycle entirely on all of this from the gitgo, even during the election, tells me she is a cog in this wheel of constitutional destruction.

glenda

Old Lurker & Clarice..

Just saying my pattern of making certain my children(done) and now my grandson, visit DC before their 17th b-day..to appreciate and understand history, government --is nigh 😉

I've put off final "best place to stay" decision closest to DuPont Circle madness (really the Smithsonian proximity--) Suggestions?
Do you think Hillary is renting space in her Georgetown mansion? Or should I look for a Kalorama spot to park my SUV with the I ❤️Palin license plate?

Beasts of England

lol, Gentlejim!! My first draft at a comment was 'Subtle.' but I thought it too subtle...

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