Off Again On Again

The flailing NY Times has forgotten the last two years:

Trump Says North Korea Summit May Be Rescheduled

WASHINGTON — President Trump said on Friday that his administration was back in touch with North Korea and the two sides may reschedule his summit meeting with Kim Jong-un, perhaps even on the original June 12 date, a stunning reversal just a day after the president canceled the get-together.

"Stunning"? For a normal President, sure.

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[henry]

Life is not a TV show. Not that anyone in the press knows the difference.

[Jim Eagle]

You have to understand that in Florida, our Publix supermarkets are almost heaven for their convenience, cleanliness, great foods and employee service. Publix is an institution like Oranges, Gators and Conch fritters, and Young Mr. Piggy doesn't undersand that but the commenters below this tweet do. Some classics.

https://twitter.com/CBS4NEWSDESK/status/9999659

[Tom R]

Those "personal emails" could easily refer to personal emails exchanged via government devices, not necessarily sent from their personal, private, devices. If the government had already impounded the messages from their persona phones, home computers, etc. the the order to preserve them in situ makes zero sense.

JM Hanes,

Horowitz/Huber already have Strzok/Page communications from their government issued devices. This discussion is about what they sent back and forth on their personally owned devices.

[Frau Steingehirn]

Best election, ever, Mr. Maguire.

[henry]

I get an error JiB.

[Extraneus]

Looks like he's not going down without a fight.

Harvey Weinstein didn’t invent the casting couch, his lawyer says

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Captain Hate,

ChiTown Lurker wants me to call this tweet to your attention:

ESPN employee: Sir, our ratings have been plummeting. Think it has to do with how political we’ve gotten. What should we do?
ESPN exec: Get me Olbermann.https://t.co/ethZP67sTI

— Siraj Hashmi (@SirajAHashmi) May 25, 2018

Picture at link.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

The Associated Press
‏Verified account @AP

BREAKING: Student says science teacher at Indiana middle school tackled gunman, knocked weapon away.

===================

Indeed he did, and was injured in the process. He is a real hero.

[Jim Eagle]

See if this link to the "Die-in" at Publix works.

https://twitter.com/CBS4NEWSDESK/status/999965966103666688

[Tom R]

Please quote me saying what you have attributed to me.

I asked:

Do you think it refers to the emails from their federal government email accounts or do you think it refers to their personal email (ex. Gmail) accounts?

Your response was:

Both

Your response seems to clearly indicate you think the 13,000 pages of Strzok/Page emails consists of stuff they sent from their government email accounts as well as their personal email accounts.

[Porchlight]

Those poor starlet wannabes. Arriving in Hollywood knowing they'd have to run the casting couch gauntlet, and going ahead with it anyway. I feel so sorry for them. /s

[Threadkiller]

What?

Moved it to a new thread??

[Threadkiller]

Your response seems to clearly indicate you think the 13,000 pages of Strzok/Page emails consists of stuff they sent from their government email accounts as well as their personal email accounts.

Uh huh. But here is your quote:

I honestly don't know with 100% certainty that you are correct but I think you are and that Horowitz/Huber not only have Strzok/Page's personal emails but the personal communications of multiple Obama officials.

See the problem? You say that I say that Horowitz/Huber have the communications. Did I say that?

[Porchlight]

OMG, stop.

If you guys want to keep this up could you BOTH provide actual quotes with timestamps? It's really tedious.

[Porchlight]

Here, I'll show you.

Porchlight at 3:32 PM:

If you guys want to keep this up could you BOTH provide actual quotes with timestamps? It's really tedious.

[JimNorCal]

Don Surber discusses a case of "credentialed idiot, meet Emperor's new clothes".
https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/05/trump-schools-foreign-policy-experts.html

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Mark Knoller
‏Verified account @markknoller
22m22 minutes ago

On return to the WH today, Pres Trump greeted family of Major Adam Horne, making his last flight after 5 years service with HMX-1, the unit that operates Marine One. Major Horne flew the Pres back from the @navalacademy, of which he is a 2005 grad.

[Threadkiller]

Of course it is a "you guys" complaint...

Always is.

Tom moved it here and he knows the quote I am talking to him directly about.

[anonamom]

NPR has been frickin ' hair-on-fire out of their minds today about POTUS.

Morning coverage: "Cancelling the summit!!!"

Later this morning: "Rescheduling the summit???!!! How unstable!!!"

with a huge dash of
"Lying about there being spying! It was monitoring Russian interference. No spying!!!"

Their audience must be the moronic.

[Marlene]

Okay,we're laughing about the "die-in" at Publix. We think a "die-in" at a Publix parking lot means little old blue-haired ladies who don't look when they back out of a parking space.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/05/25/president-trump-participates-in-naval-academy-graduation-ceremony/

This has the video of his speech, plus there is another one which is a speeded up version showing him shaking every graduate's hand. He was VERY well-received!

[GUS]

Yes Tom R. Keep diggind son. Who owned RODHAMS' server??

[GUS]

How did OBAMA's SUMMIT with Kim go??

Or was he too bizzy being FLEXIBLE with VLAD???

[GUS]

Not spying if a DEMOCRAT does it.

[Porchlight]

Tom moved it here and he knows the quote I am talking to him directly about.

TK, I'm asking you to consider the rest of us. Otherwise there's no point in discussing this in comments on a public blog.

[Threadkiller]

Maybe I misunderstood, Porch, an I apologize if I did.

You want the time stamps to follow along? You aren't objecting to the banter?

[Tom R]

See the problem? You say that I say that Horowitz/Huber have the communications. Did I say that?

You explicitly said "Both" so how else would anyone interpret that except to mean you think the 13000 pages of emails indicates Horowitz/Huber has both their government emails as well as their emails from their personal devices?

If you are going to quibble over semantics and claim your response "Both" means something else then we can just stop.

[Tom R]

Yes Tom R. Keep diggind son. Who owned RODHAMS' server??

I haven't made one point over the past two days that has anything whatsoever to do with Hillary's private server.

[Porchlight]

Correct, TK. I don't mind the banter. I think timestamps and name attributions would make things clearer.

[GUS]

Let me spell it out for you TOM, as you are too dimwitted to get it.
STRZOK and PAGE were doing GOVERNMENT BIZ on their PRIVATE PHONES. Just like RODHAM did GOVERNMENT BIZ on her PRIVATE SERVER. The phones are the PROPERTY of the 2 CRIMINAL FBI AGENTS. The COMMUNICATIONS are govt property.

Easy enough for you son??? Wow you are dumb.

[Captain Hate]

LOL @ ESPN

No wonder Double Wide Double E was kept off the Weakly Substandard's cruise list. Get a look at Rear Admiral Billyboy's paunch:

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=375437

[Extraneus]

Here's a link to Porch's 3:32.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Regarding ESPN signing Obermann, John Hayward of Breitbart has this:

John Hayward
‏ @Doc_0
23m23 minutes ago

This will end with ESPN hunting down its remaining viewers one by one and blasting Yoko Ono music in their faces until they promise to stop watching.

[JM Hanes]

Yes, TomM, I was perfectly aware of that when I wrote my comment, which was based on your own assertion as to what the government had. I've made the only point I was interested in making; when nobody can even agree on what a discussion is about, I think opting out is the most appealing choice.

[Threadkiller]

You explicitly said "Both" so how else would anyone interpret that except to mean you think the 13000 pages of emails indicates Horowitz/Huber has both their government emails as well as their emails from their personal devices?

If you are going to quibble over semantics and claim your response "Both" means something else then we can just stop.

Posted by: Tom R | May 25, 2018 at 03:49 PM

Nothing to quibble about, your question didn't mention Horowitz/Huber:

TK,

What do you think this refers to:

On May 21, U.S. District Court Judge Reggie B. Walton ordered the FBI to begin processing 13,000 pages of previously undisclosed emails exchanged exclusively between FBI officials Strzok and Page between February 1, 2015, and December 2017.

Do you think it refers to the emails from their federal government email accounts or do you think it refers to their personal email (ex. Gmail) accounts?

Posted by: Tom R | May 25, 2018 at 01:57 PM

My response that quotes your question:

Do you think it refers to the emails from their federal government email accounts or do you think it refers to their personal email (ex. Gmail) accounts?

Both.

Posted by: Threadkiller | May 25, 2018 at 01:58 PM

See?

[Old Lurker]

Wasting my own time, but the unending references to my sinful 1:39 yesterday, I went back, found it, and stand by my reaction to it. Tom is stuck on his point that "FBI ordered to begin processing" was in response to some FOIA request. My reaction was that "FBI Processing" is required before those emails go other places too, like Congress and further down the prosecution chains lest they be too top secret for anyone to see. What the hell do you think "processing" Clinton's 33,000 stash was all about? In the real world, and knowing that those things would have to be cleared eventually if they could be used for anything, a good CEO would start that process the moment those records were discovered. Starting that process only when ordered by the first judge all these months later, to me, was a willful use of slow-walking to cover other bases. A typical government grunt stunt.

That Tom could explode that into all this angst makes my point about the poster.

The horses all got out of the barn but OL forgot to prove that they used the front door and not the back door.

Carp.

[maryrose]

Comey stated on Conan OBrien last night that there was no spying.
They are scrambling and the audience did not applaud.
There was silence.
In time the proof of spying will be presented and then denied by the Dems.
Meanwhile , back at the ranch , Menendez only leads by 4 in his re- election to the Senate.
Come on New Jersey, stop electing criminals to represent you.

[Threadkiller]

Better, Porch? :-)

[Tom R]

Gus,

Do you understand how the FOIA process works? Before you start accusing people of being dumb perhaps you should make sure you know all the facts.

[James D.]

From the comments to an article about the loathsome and dishonest Chuck Todd (via Insty):

Todd's wife is a "communications professional and co-founder of Maverick Strategies and Mail, which provides direct mail and consulting services for Democratic candidates and progressive causes."

I don’t find that at all surprising.

[Porchlight]

Yes, TK. Thanks! :)

[Porchlight]

I would like to point out in Iggy's absence that his post yesterday (as I read it) stated that there were good arguments on both sides of the Ledge/Veranda debate, but that the occasional tendency toward ad hominem seems to occur in one direction more than the other.

Maybe it's a gravity thing. :)

[Frau Steingehirn]

Don't forget the mothers, Porch. May 25, 2018 at 03:25 PM

Just for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7ay6E345e0

[Kevlar Kid]

OL----> "The horses all got out of the barn but OL forgot to prove that they used the front door and not the back door."

Bingo, Ringo!

=)

[narciso]

Something that goldenberg fellow can't admit:

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/05/the-emerging-strategy-to-undermine-the-iranian-regime.php

[Jim Eagle]

Just watched the last Q of Game 7 of the Caps v. Lightning game and boy you could actually feel the heavy weight of 1974 to present nothingness.

This may be a classic Stanley Cup with Ovechin at his peak and can he show he is the best hockey player in the NFL. Plus, Tom Wilson needs to win the show with his passing and defense. But what happens to Barry Trotz without the Cup? I say, bye, bye.

Marc Andrew Fluery be damned.

Losing twice to Vegas makes Ovenchin even more dangerous.

[Porchlight]

Right you are, Frau!

[Frau Steingehirn]

Banter? TK - it reminds me of my male Jack Russell worrying a lizard long enough until parts began to fly all over the yard. Our female just went in for one quick kill to a gopher's or ground squirrel's throat. Poetry in motion! ;->
xxx

[Jim Eagle]

...Andreu... Not Andrew... His is a cannuck for christ sake not a Scot:)

[Kevlar Kid]

Tom:

So, in 25 words can you tell us ALL what is the point you'd like us ALL to acknowledge?

And, should we acknowledge that we UNDERSTAND your point (and your point alone--- not who else said what) can we enjoy GUILT FREE status of admitting to no wrongful thinking or deviancy for saying:

"Yes. I understand."

Well?

In the spirit of friendly debate---

Kevlar "In Nomine Vocant Verum" Kid.

[Tom R]

Nothing to quibble about, your question didn't mention Horowitz/Huber:

I profusely apologize to you for not specifically spelling out the Horowitz/Huber investigation in my reply. I made the incorrect assumption that everyone who reads this blog was already well aware of the IG investigation and would know who had possession of the 13000 pages of Strzok/Page emails.

[maryrose]

Porch:
Gus calling Tom R dumb seems to go the other way.

[Jim Eagle]

Lets get easy here, TomR has made some great contributions. We all make syloggistic mistakes from time to time , even more, most typographical and reference mistakes. Lets all give each other a bread, (especially me:)

[Jim Eagle]

..Your can take bread if you like it but it is break and you can still like it...

[Threadkiller]

I profusely apologize to you for not specifically spelling out the Horowitz/Huber investigation in my reply. I made the incorrect assumption that everyone who reads this blog was already well aware of the IG investigation and would know who had possession of the 13000 pages of Strzok/Page emails.

Posted by: Tom R | May 25, 2018 at 04:13 PM

I will quibble over that being an apology.

At least it does go towards your assumptions and how correct they may be.

[Old Lurker]

I will Break Bread with you any time, Jack.

:-)

[Eye Doctor]

Tom R

Does Mueller have the text and emails?

[Kevlar Kid]

Frau--

our favorite poochie (Anya der Wunderhund) is mostly daschund with Rotweiler and Chihuahua mixed in for muscularity and a good measure of twitching rage to boot.

Gophers are her obsession. Our landscape around the home is gopher free. But her hiking trails are loaded with the little fellas.

She blows up holes when she detects somebody's home. A 2 inch opening becomes 20 within seconds. I've seen her catch 3 in 4 years. They become rag dolls in her paws and jaws. It's over right quick.

Rattlesnake season has us cautious though. She can smell em out. Crikey.

Kev

[Jim Eagle]

OL,

Not here. The traffic is backed up 10 miles on Sunrise Hwy. But if you leave around 2am, you could be here Monday for the fireworks:)

[glenda]

Yes, I DO have a unique talent....by the time I read through a long thread to catch-up, then post---A new thread appears ...and pfft 😂

So, the new group "Patriots & Pragmatists" , is like the post-WW II cabal Collaborators & Communists, that SOROS envisioned?? IdjitsR-US !

[Kevlar Kid]

Blessed are the breadmakers....

[Jim Eagle]

Mrs. JiB just told me that Uncle George wants to contribute $12 mil to add 2 stories to our Hospital. If that is so, he wants to buy it and make the move of the hospital to Stony Brook campus west of the Village and turn the Hospital into condos. I know how he works around here and any money he gives to life saving causes means profit for him not for the people who have to use the hospital.

He is a despicable man.

[Porchlight]

Gus calling Tom R dumb seems to go the other way.

Not according to my reading, maryrose. I think Iggy was saying that the Veranda folks tend to be on the receiving end of ad hominem. Tom R is definitely Veranda. But Iggy's not here at the moment so I don't want to put words in his mouth.

[Frau Steingehirn]

KKid - our male JR respected the rattlers he discovered on our "hobby" apple orchard. He stood at a distance and barked. Anya sounds wonderful as well as wunderbar!

glenda - we have a special club for those of us who discover we have been left behind at the end of a thread. Once in a while, rich has to hold up the entire Night Crew.

[Tom R]

So, in 25 words can you tell us ALL what is the point you'd like us ALL to acknowledge?

I've already made my points multiple times over. It's now 30 minutes past 5 o'clock somewhere so I'm heading home to drink a beer.

[JM Hanes]

We had a wonderful little King Charles Spaniel who once chased a groundhog down its hole and got stuck 10' along, underneath an outbuilding, Still gives me chills just thinking about it. We had to pull up the floor boards and then dig her out. Fortunately we could hear her whimpering, so we could tell where she was. She had gotten her nose out in front of her legs, and couldn't back up. She was shaking all over, and we all figured she never do that again, but when we released her she ran straight back to the hole and tried to start all over again! I finally got a huge roll of chicken wire and would ball up a length of it and stuff down any holes that appeared, just to give us a little more time to catch hold of her till we had a chance to deal with the varmint.

[anonamom]

Gentlejim--did you use Myer-Briggs personality typing?

I've been amazed at how accurate it is in describing every single person I know who has done it.
Please Understand Me is a book I've found extremely useful both at work and at home, management wise. (Maybe because my personality is such that I seek to understand!)

[henry]

so I'm heading home to drink a beer.

I can agree with that assumption! :)

[Frau Steingehirn]

JHM - my husband's family in German had a Pomeranian mix that like to patrol the forest next to the house. He, too, went after a creature, rabbit or hare, and got stuck. Fortunately, someone in the family heard the faint barks and dug the fellow out. He headed for home.

[maryrose]

Anonamom:
I have used Meyers-Briggs many times in my work and it is amazingly accurate.It can even re commend different careers for certain personality types.

[Gentlejim]

Anonamom,
We used DISC. The class agreed that it was accurate. Very interesting to see how much of each type a person is.

[henry]

anonamom, that Myers Briggs personality typing was central to sales training in the 80s. Detect and mirror styles for best results. I now use it in reverse to get rid of annoying sales people (it's nice to be the boss).

[Pinandpuller]

JM Hanes

Some people wire PVC pipe to goat's horns to keep them from getting their heads stuck through the net wire fence. I've just resorted to chain link dog pens for multiple offenders.

[henry]

Gentlejim, DISC is based on Myers Briggs. Had that one too. Did you do the work vs home styles? Very useful.

[Porchlight]

Beer thirty here too!

[Frau Steingehirn]

JMH - The family German shepherd took walks with a stone in his mouth and was once intimidated by a small hedgehog that blundered into his dog run. The hedgehog was an albino.

[Pinandpuller]

I'm an INTP if anyone is sharing.

And I see Harvey Weinstein is joining the Incel movement.

[Jim Eagle]

Oh, my. I have 3 Beagles who wii digg more and bigger holes and take more food of the plate than anyone. They are vacuums.

[Kevlar Kid]

;) works every time.

[Kevlar Kid]

i agree with this:

[maryrose]

Anonamom:
Have you ever taken the Enegram?
It is remarkably insightful and presents both the positive and negative aspects of you personality.

[Threadkiller]

It would be a tough logical fallacy count, Porch. The Ledge seems to be subjected to quite a few strawmen, hasty generalizations, and red herrings lately. Not that I approve of ad hominems all the time. All of these fallacies actually do serve a purpose in debate and when rooted out, we can see if a proposition can stand on its own.

That is why I prefer letting the quotes speak for themselves.

[Kevlar Kid]

I set a pet bereavement record in our neighborhood growing up: 7 dogs in 7 years, each slaughtered by a speeding car after the dog escaped out the back gate and made a run for the big park across the street.

At 12, my last dog was a precious beagle gal we named Fanny. Didn't really get over the loss and didn't have another dog until Anya arrived in 2014.

When I read "Dog's Purpose" I thought maybe there was something to the whole return cycle. Anya and i are as close like Fanny and me. Uncanny.
i even get her worked up when i talk about "the old backyard" and "playing at the park."

Beagles rock.

[henry]

INTJ? I hate those tests, and try to answer in ways that amuse me. i spent too much time hacking the questions in grad school (PhD in a Soc sci) to get a clean result now.

[Pinandpuller]

Joey, do you like magazines about sports?

Joey, do you think people are talking about you behind your back?

Joey, do you like movies about Gladiators?

[Beasts of England]

Photos of the families and Midshipmen in front of Marine One. Priceless.

[Pinandpuller]

They often use Meyers Briggs for premarital counseling. I probably should have listened the first time around.

[Beasts of England]

INTJ. In case anyone doubted it...

[Porchlight]

I can't do those tests right. My answers are almost always "it depends."

[henry]

Porchlight, I always found "neither for any reason" to be the missing choice.

[maryrose]

I am ENSP and chose a career that encompasses those traits.
I am not a math and science person.

[Neo]

Now, this is rich ...

Hillary Clinton Wants to Be CEO of Facebook

The failed presidential candidate said that the social media platform is the largest source of news in the world, and she'd like to be in charge of it.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Well, I just spent and enjoyable hour reading the comments on Ace's site about Bill Kristol.

Obviously, Kristol hatred is a wide-spread phenomenon, and I am glad.

May he be struck with the Trump Curse.

[maryrose]

Beast :
We are opposites.

[maryrose]

Neo:
Hillary wants to be in charge so she can spread propaganda like the KGB did.

[Porchlight]

I guess that does say something about our personalities, henry.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

To the @NavalAcademy Class of 2018, I say: We know you are up to the task. We know you will make us proud. We know that glory will be yours. Because you are WINNERS, you are WARRIORS, you are FIGHTERS, you are CHAMPIONS, and YOU will lead us to VICTORY! God Bless the U.S.A.! pic.twitter.com/V9TgEo8MY4

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 25, 2018

Video at the link.

[henry]

Neo, I my own intergalactic space command. I think I'm more likely to get my wish then Hillary.

[henry]

Autocorrect made a hash of that one.

[Comanche Voter]

Oh come on New York Times--and the rest of you precious little progressives.

Trump cancelled the summit when it appeared that Kim Jong Un had vastly different expectations going in. Okay, time to slap the little Fat Boy around to help him get his head straight. Slap delivered.

Kimg Jong Un promptly had his Shane moment--as in when young Brandon DeWilde cried "Come back Shane" in the movie.

It may take a few more whups uplongside Kim's head to make certain he's in the mood to deal.