Say What?!?

Per The Hill, Mueller's Russian novel is taking yet another plot twist: Deripaska is an oligarch who hired, fired and sued Manafort and may be a witness against him.

But now we learn that in 2009 the FBI worked with Deripaska and let him finance an attempt to rescue an FBI agent from Iran. OK, I like where there head was but they liked Deripaska for this becasue he had business in Iran and (probably like a lot of his peers) had underworld connections. Those connections led to State Department travel restrictions and eventual US sanctions, but now he is on Mueller's side against Manafort? I can't tell the colluders without a scorecard.

And a Bonus Baffler - was subcontracting to Deripaska even legal?

Melanie Sloan, a former Clinton Justice Department lawyer and longtime ethics watchdog, told me a “far more significant issue” is whether the earlier FBI operation was even legal: “It’s possible the bureau’s arrangement with Mr. Deripaska violated the Antideficiency Act, which prohibits the government from accepting voluntary services.”   

George Washington University constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley agreed: “If the operation with Deripaska contravened federal law, this figure could be viewed as a potential embarrassment for Mueller. The question is whether he could implicate Mueller in an impropriety.”

Now that sources have unmasked the Deripaska story, time will tell whether the courts, Justice, Congress or a defendant formally questions if Mueller is conflicted.

Mini-bafflers - was the Antideficiency Act invoked as part of the Iran-Contra debacle, with arms, hostages and cash moving off-book? [Yes, cameo appearances] And why is it always Iran? C'mon, send better baddies!

MORE: The Hill linked to a long Dec 13, 2013 NY Times piece about the FBI agent, Robert Levinson, who had specialized in Russian organized crime. In their telling he retired from the FBI in 1998 in order to make more money in the private investigations sector; he then re-aligned with the CIA as a consultant in 2006.

The Deripaska connection:

By mid-2008, the F.B.I. was fully engaged in the hunt. At that time, two F.B.I. agents met at a Paris hotel with a powerful new player who became secretly involved in the effort: Oleg Deripaska, one of Russia’s wealthiest businessmen.Mr. Deripaska’s entry into the case held great promise. He headed an international mining and metals empire with business ties to Iran.

His involvement also came with a price. The State Department had refused Mr. Deripaska a visa because of allegations linking him to organized crime — accusations he has denied. But Mr. Birshtein, the Toronto businessman, had approached the F.B.I. with a plan: He would persuade Mr. Deripaska to join the search and, if they succeeded, both would get their entry problems resolved.

Mr. Deripaska said he would put up millions to fund the venture, but he insisted that his role be kept secret. However, word that big money was in play made its way to Iran. Suddenly, a man with family connection

s to Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, insisted that he could engineer Mr. Levinson’s release for a hefty price. F.B.I. officials were so confident about the plan that they told Mrs. Levinson to stay by the phone for a call from her husband. It never came.

Mr. Deripaska, who was scheduled to meet in 2009 with bankers in the United States, wanted to collect on his end of the deal. The State Department, after two heated meetings with Justice Department officials, refused to issue him a visa, according to government officials. The F.B.I., hoping to keep him in the game, made an end-run around State Department officials and issued him a visa under a special program, allowing him to enter the country twice.

In 2010, during a visit to New York, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, then the president of Iran, was asked about Mr. Levinson by reporters. He said his government knew nothing of the former agent’s fate but offered to help find him.

Comments

[lurkersusie]

Somali refugees in Minnesota are using kids to rip off millions in taxpayer dollars so they can send laundered money to shady places in the Middle East—surely funding Islamist terrorism.

http://amp.fox9.com/news/investigators/millions-of-dollars-in-suitcases-fly-out-of-msp-but-why?__twitter_impression=true

[narciso]

According to one Poll, the UK maybe be as nonplussed with the royals,as captain:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/959776/royal-wedding-2018-majority-britons-not-interested-royal-wedding-shock-poll

[narciso]

Now who was a critic of how the net assessments were done, and what happened to him lovinger was denied a security clearance.

[clarice feldman]

Yup. That office sure looks like a DOD Slush fund for cronies and its head seems to want to be nice to Hillary.

[narciso]

So is any intelligence department actually doing any (reacted) anAlysis, this is like supercharged creep, who else was being paid out of that fund?

[David, Deplorable Russian Internet Dreamer Bot]

Well, it has been fun here, but I am not really interested in hanging around people who slander and mischaracterize what I believe. I am disappointed, I thought we were better than that.

Take care,

David

[jim nj]

David,

I hope you'll reconsider. Please accept my apologies for the anti-Mormon comments of some here. I suspect the majority of us here would prefer that you stay.

[narciso]

Yes in deed, jimnj:

http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/14/record-proves-robert-mueller-clown-prince-federal-law-enforcement

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

From the Mormon website;

We believe in God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. We believe that They are separate beings but share the same purpose. We believe that we are all God’s spirit children. The purpose and desire of each member of the Godhead is to follow the Father’s plan in helping us all become like Them and enjoy eternal life. We worship Jesus Christ as our Savior and Redeemer. Like us, Jesus was created in the image of God, the Father, and They both have perfected bodies of flesh and bone. We believe that the Holy Ghost is sent to witness of the Father and the Son, comforts and teaches us in times of need, and helps us distinguish between right and wrong.

The doctrine that the Godhead consists of three separate beings is contrary to Christian doctrine and denies the Trinity.
The doctrine that Jesus is a separate being created, like us, by the Father is anathema to orthodox Christianity.
The doctrine that the Father has a perfected body of flesh and bone has no support in scripture.
There are many other examples.
The plain words of the Mormon faith are not slanderous nor mischaracterizations.

[jim nj]

I'm a lapsed Roman Catholic, meaning that I don't go to church on Sundays and Holy days, but if faced with the choice of somebody asking me to renounce my faith or die. I'll choose the latter.

If you're brought up Catholic you know that it is the "ONE TRUE FAITH." It's a basic tenet. I choose to honor all religions.

I would point out that WASPs were just as critical of Catholics as they were of Mormons, back in the day.

[rich]

any arrests or mass resignations ... didn't thinks so.

ah, another story that Mueller might have some other connection to Deripaska ... the mind reels ...

and Ryan working overtime to get in an amnesty bill before the election!

Good looking out GOP.

[rich]

I do hope that David reconsiders and stays.

[narciso]

For whom exactly rich?

I know roman the purifier starts seemingly down right moderate, zandar was after all easy pickings as we found out with thanes.

[JimNorCal]

agree, rich, hope David returns.

[narciso]

Oh good grief the Carlos slims conference table, must look like the white house situation Ron at the end of kinsman. Exploding heads everywhere.

[Pinandpuller]

LDS is to Christianity as Sufism is to Islam and Kabbalah is to Judaism.

[rich]

Posted by: narciso | May 15, 2018 at 01:08 AM

we could use a little Ronan (apparently he is coming back in Capt Marvel?)

still smarting he got taken down by the biggest idiots in the galaxy ...

[narciso]

Here's another backstory:

http://historynet.com/real-bridges-toko-ri.htm

[rich]

or maybe i need to re-think my arch-villains ...

[narciso]

Right its 25 year earlier, lee pace is a rather dead pan sort, so its struck me when he was given the role,

[narciso]

They did make him a tad one dimwnsionL in the films.

[Pinandpuller]

I would point out that WASPs were just as critical of Catholics as they were of Mormons, back in the day.

Posted by: jim nj | May 15, 2018 at 12:47 AM

I'm convinced it's part of why they took so long to change the law on wine sales on Sunday around here.

WASP's in America didn't actually send troops to force a Catholic Reformation, though, as far as I remember.

I knew there were some LDS offshoots in MO but I don't think I had heard of James Strang before:

During his 12 years serving as Prophet, Seer and Revelator, Strang reigned for six years as the crowned "king" of an ecclesiastical monarchy that he established on Beaver Island in the US state of Michigan. Building an organization that eventually rivaled Young's in Utah, Strang gained nearly 12,000 adherents at a time when Young claimed only 50,000. After Strang was killed in 1856 most of his followers rallied under Joseph Smith III and joined the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The Strangite church has remained small in comparison to other branches.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Strang

[jim nj]

"The Catholic Church finally agreed on which writings should go into the Bible at the Council of Rome in 382 AD during the time of Pope Damasus."

That's the basis for the New Testament. We know that some books were excluded because they were considered heretical or of poor providence. Many of these excluded books are still known today as the Apocrypha.

Theologians, as is their wont, still argue about what should or should not have been included in the New Testament, but it is notable that the Catholic bible incorporated the Old Testaments. In effect, the Catholics were a new Jewish sect.

Quoting from Wiki:"From the Reformation, Protestants have usually excluded the books which Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians consider to be Deuterocanonical, viewing them as non-canonical. However, prior to an 1825 British and Foreign Bible Society decision, most Protestant Bibles did include these additional books within the same printed bibles. It was usually to be found in a separate section under the heading of Apocrypha and sometimes carrying a statement to the effect that the such books were non-canonical."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Bible

Apocrypha in RC sense is what isn't included in the New Testament. In the Protestant sense, it's what needs to excised from the Catholic bible.

So Protestants, from my view, are using a Catholic Bible with 7 books excised, but nothing new added.

Many of the early Protestant sects, divorced from the Pope, were state religions.

Finally, if you study the history of Joseph Smith, you would realize that a great religious fervor had arisen in NY and some other states in the early 1800's and late 1700's. It led to many new denominations arising.

"Methodist Episcopal Church. The Methodist Episcopal Church (MEC) was the oldest and largest Methodist denomination in the United States from its founding in 1784 until 1939. It was also the first religious denomination in the US to organize itself on a national basis."

"Historians trace the earliest church labeled "Baptist" back to 1609 in Amsterdam, Dutch Republic with English Separatist John Smyth as its pastor."

"The Seventh-day Adventist Church[a] is a Protestant Christian denomination[3] distinguished by its observance of Saturday,[4] the seventh day of the week in Christian and Jewish calendars, as the Sabbath, and by its emphasis on the imminent Second Coming (advent) of Jesus Christ. The denomination grew out of the Millerite movement in the United States during the mid-19th century and was formally established in 1863."

My point being is that after the Protestant separation from Catholicism. Protestants fractured into dozens of sects and continue to do so.

Should I as a Roman Catholic, as a member of "THE ONE TRUE FAITH", as I've been taught, deign to consider "all" Protestant faiths as, let's say, mis-guided, no they worship the same god as I do. They are brethren with different rituals and somewhat different beliefs.

And remember, as I pointed out, they're, with minor modification, using a bible developed by Roman Catholics.

So, if as a Catholic, I can accept that Protestants are bringing people to our Lord, via a slightly different belief or viewpoint, I can't decry the Mormons for doing the same thing.

Why is it not possible that the Lord chooses to reveal himself to others in an effort to bring all of us to HIM?

I've never read the "Book of Mormon", nor the Koran, nor other religious texts, but in the end, all religions are based on faith, because we, as humans, don't have the capacity to answer questions that are beyond our comprehension.

I have no reason to belief the the Latter Day Saints, as founded by a latter day "prophet" Joseph Smith has less worth than any other "young" religion. And yes I'm pointing at Protestants here.

I don't mean to offend anyone, though I probably have, but it's not right to condemn a group of people for nor believing exactly as you do. It's not a christian value. You are supposed to love your neighbor.

[Pinandpuller]

Pressure is mounting on the company that handles most cinema advertising in the UK to back down over a ban on a Church of England promotion of the Lord’s Prayer.

Digital Cinema Media (DCM) came under fire from the prime minister and the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) for refusing to screen the ad on the grounds that it could cause offence.

David Cameron viewed the ban as “ridiculous”, according to his spokesperson, who declined to expand on the prime minister’s views.

The EHRC said freedom to hold a religion and express ideas were “essential British values. We are concerned by any blanket ban on adverts by all religious groups”.

It added: “There is no right not to be offended in the UK; what is offensive is very subjective and lies in the eye of the beholder.
“This does not mean groups or individuals are free to express themselves without restriction. Freedom of expression can be and is restricted but only in order to prevent violence, abuse or discrimination for example. “There is nothing in law that prevents Christian organisations promoting their faith through adverts.”

Boris Johnson also condemned the ban, saying on Twitter that he expected it to be overturned.

The politicians were joined by Stephen Fry, who tweeted from Australia: “I’m in Oz, just heard. Banning the ad is bizarre, unfair and misguided.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/23/cinema-ban-for-lords-prayer-ad-is-ridiculous-says-cameron

[jim nj]

I'm trying to find references to help you all understand the Second Great Awakening that occurred at the time of Joseph Smith.

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-ushistory/chapter/the-second-great-awakening/

http://westernny.com/history4.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Great_Awakening

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Great_Awakening

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burned-over_district

I hope the above will give you more of a sense of the times of Joseph Smith.

Was Joseph Smith a fraud and a charlatan, or a true prophet? It's question of faith. If you read the history of the times there were quite a few apocalyptic preachers, who always got the day wrong. We're still here right?

[jim nj]

If anybody here doesn't get it. The persecution of Mormons over many years was wrong. It still is today.

[RattlerGator]

Wifey has a colonoscopy this morning and I'm dealing with a bit of reflux, so . . . Good morning!

;-)

* * *

Brennan is the dog whistler at the bottom of this treacherous pig pile.

Posted by: Kevlar Kid | May 14, 2018 at 11:07 PM

Yep, yep. I think Brennan may essentially be Bottom Bitch number one and he controlled McCabe, Brennan helped rig the rise of Obama, and Brennan helped make a deal with the Clintons for the 2016 election cycle.

Some are claiming Brennan is a Russian agent. I don't believe that. I suspect he's one of these educated fools who look down on most Americans and saw a world where it would be best if the totalitarian elite ran things in toto.

More than Russian agent, he was likely more co-opted by Western European socialists (British, German, etc.) because they feel precisely the same way. They don't need to be Russian agents; they're indirectly doing work for the Russians (and others) regardless.

Brennan, as a "citizen of the world" globalist, probably desired a world where "balance" required the Iranians to have nuclear bombs, where Russia should have a primary role in the Middle East approximating America, where China should be able to have a tremendous trade imbalance with us, etc.

MAGA is his worst nightmare and it is now time to pay the piper that is the American constitution.

[Pinandpuller]

Here's another reference from my childhood I guess you could say: http://eindtijdinbeeld.nl/EiB-Bibliotheek/Boeken/KingdomOfTheCultsWalterMartin.pdf

[RattlerGator]

jim nj, I think we all get it.

* * *

Well, it has been fun here, but I am not really interested in hanging around people who slander and mischaracterize what I believe. I am disappointed, I thought we were better than that.

Take care,

David

Posted by: David, Deplorable Russian Internet Dreamer Bot | May 15, 2018 at 12:19 AM

Well, we are better than that -- and we aren't better than that, David. It's likely that you are similarly situated, so to speak.

Come on back home, fella, this probably isn't the first time someone (or a group) has slighted Mormons in a way that has seriously disappointed you.

I don't recall knowing you were Mormon but . . . whatever the case, you made your point . . . and it's times such as these when you should -- as a Mormom, IMHO -- stand tall by neither walking away nor threatening to do so.

[jim nj]

Back to the regularly scheduled programming:

http://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-times-gaza-border-protest-death-or-killing-2018-5

Like the Gazans only erupted today, after weeks of Friday protests.

[Pinandpuller]

Thinking of LDS made me think of Jazz. Because of the basketball team, I suppose, but also because it's an American invention. So that made me think of The Axeman of New Orleans who terrorized that city in the WWI era. In addition to being an ax murderer he was a writer and in an open letter he proposed his own version of Passover:

Hell, March 13, 1919

Esteemed Mortal of New Orleans:

They have never caught me and they never will. They have never seen me, for I am invisible, even as the ether that surrounds your earth. I am not a human being, but a spirit and a demon from the hottest hell. I am what you Orleanians and your foolish police call the Axeman.

When I see fit, I shall come and claim other victims. I alone know whom they shall be. I shall leave no clue except my bloody axe, besmeared with blood and brains of he whom I have sent below to keep me company.

If you wish you may tell the police to be careful not to rile me. Of course, I am a reasonable spirit. I take no offense at the way they have conducted their investigations in the past. In fact, they have been so utterly stupid as to not only amuse me, but His Satanic Majesty, Francis Josef, etc. But tell them to beware. Let them not try to discover what I am, for it were better that they were never born than to incur the wrath of the Axeman. I don't think there is any need of such a warning, for I feel sure the police will always dodge me, as they have in the past. They are wise and know how to keep away from all harm.

Undoubtedly, you Orleanians think of me as a most horrible murderer, which I am, but I could be much worse if I wanted to. If I wished, I could pay a visit to your city every night. At will I could slay thousands of your best citizens (and the worst), for I am in close relationship with the Angel of Death.

Now, to be exact, at 12:15 (earthly time) on next Tuesday night, I am going to pass over New Orleans. In my infinite mercy, I am going to make a little proposition to you people. Here it is:

I am very fond of jazz music, and I swear by all the devils in the nether regions that every person shall be spared in whose home a jazz band is in full swing at the time I have just mentioned. If everyone has a jazz band going, well, then, so much the better for you people. One thing is certain and that is that some of your people who do not jazz it out on that specific Tuesday night (if there be any) will get the axe.

Well, as I am cold and crave the warmth of my native Tartarus, and it is about time I leave your earthly home, I will cease my discourse. Hoping that thou wilt publish this, that it may go well with thee, I have been, am and will be the worst spirit that ever existed either in fact or realm of fancy.

--The Axeman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axeman_of_New_Orleans

[jim nj]

I'm pleased that the Supreme Court ruled in favor of New Jersey's bid for sports gambling.

I'm not particularly in favor of it, but the prior court decisions never made sense to me.

[RattlerGator]

Time to try and get an hour or two of sleep. Y'all hold down the fort.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1644&v=A8aOcHgbRZw

This is a 45-minute interview with Secretary James Mattis. I haven't listened to it yet and probably won't until tomorrow, but I wanted to put it up for others to listen to.

Yes, I am up in the middle of the night.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/996225079758516224.html

A thread on Derepaska and the events of the last 46 hours or so.

Here is something all the gloomy people need to remember:

@realDonaldTrump devoted an ENTIRE CHAPTER in 'Art of the Deal' to revenge. If you think he's going to let this go with slaps on the wrist you are badly mistaken.

[jim nj]

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/05/opel-astra-driver-caught-speed-camera-traveling-400-mph/

No production automobile goes that fast.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://twitter.com/almostjingo/status/996290274983751683

This gal has dug up the file where they cataloged all of the stuff confiscated from COmey when he was fired. There are interesting things on this thread. Lots of photos of the documents.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

I am heading back to bed.

Will check in in a few hours.

[jim nj]

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/05/14/kellyanne-conway-expect-personnel-changes-result-leaks/

They want the leakers gone, as do I.

[jim nj]

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/05/14/chris-christie-legalized-sports-betting-will-add-significant-amount-revenue-state/

Chris Christie who led the charge for NJ to offer sports betting.

[jim nj]

Nytol,
I'm ashamed at the Mormon bashing, I thought we are better than this.

[Threadkiller]

Explosive All Inclusive "We" Disorder

[JimNorCal]

Not sure if you saw this jim nj.
Does NJ sports betting decision also apply to sanctuary cities/states?
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/05/supreme-court-sports-gambling-decision-is-victory-for-federalism-what-about-sanctuary-cities.php

[JimNorCal]

An interesting comment at BJG blog, esp if you follow Tucker.

"I saw the most hilarious thing tonight, while channel flipping after midnight I caught the last segment or two of Tucker.

Clip starts about 25min in.
https://youtu.be/g2pSjYyaQWU?t=1407

This women is the one that started this sanctuary bullshit in SF many many moons ago back in 1991. Over the years others took what she started and added steroids, in particular in 2016 when they added felons to be covered. Long story short she’s running for mayor after trying to signature to change the law back toward her original one.

What was hilarious though was the reaction she’s getting – all her lefty friends attacking her, calling her a Nazi, a bigot, racist, a Trumper, etc all cause she’s not in favor of letting felonies slide or otherwise dangerous individuals off the hook.

It was funny\ironic, though not at all surprising that she’s being met with some of the same lunacy she’s I’m sure done to others over the years. Even more so that she doesn’t seem to see how what she started back in 1991 has led exactly to where things are today."

[Texas Liberty Gal]

David and jm nj. Not sure if you guys were offended by my comments on Mormons but I was just stating a fact on why Mormons are not considered Christians. Evidently facts offend some here.

[JimNorCal]

"I'm ashamed at the Mormon bashing,
I thought we are better than this.
Posted by: jim nj | May 15, 2018 at 04:51 AM"

So jim, will there now be a massive debate between you and these "bashers"? I hope not :(

I guess I have low standards. If you don't chase people down the street with a pitchfork ... if you don't pass a law forbidding the other religion to meet ... if you don't require me to share your opinion of this other religion ... I'll tend to scroll on by your negative opinion of said religion without comment.

Disclosure 1: every Mormon I've met personally I liked and respected. Every. Single. One.
Disclosure 2: I voted for the guy but I'm coming round to the opinion that Mitt is playing the part of a sanctimonious acolyte of evil on today's political stage.

[daddy]

David,

I have always enjoyed you and your input. I am sorry you are bailing. Your absence will diminish the conversation here and I am sorry for that. Best of luck to you and yours for the rest of your life good man. Cheers, friend. I wish I had had the chance to know you better.

[jim nj]

JimNorCal

NO SCOTUS rule doen't affect sanctuary cities rules. SCOTUS ruling states that federal actions can't usurp state's rights. Immigration is a national issue. Sovereignty is a national issue, states have no standing to resist.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/387666-mueller-team-urges-federal-judge-to-turn-down-request-for-hearing-on

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://truepundit.com/clinton-if-theres-peace-on-korean-peninsula-trump-deserves-nobel-peace-prize-video/

What this tells me is that she is getting very nervous.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/15/hero-dog-rescues-his-pal-from-drowning-in-pool-in-viral-video.html

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

From the one of the "objective" journalists at the Washington Post:

Josh Rogin
‏Verified account @joshrogin

On the new U.S. embassy plaque, "Donald J. Trump" is in a larger font size than "Jerusalem, Israel"

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5730719/Meghans-mother-Doria-favourite-walk-actress-aisle-father-pulls-wedding.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK

More royal wedding drama.

[JimNorCal]

Someone (Don Surber?) noted that the choice of Kushner to lead the US delegation is a signal to the leadership of the Middle East nations that Kushner has PDJT's full trust.

It was a ceremonial yet significant assignment.

And it will be important to his role of primary US contact person in the emerging alliance of the US, Israel and Sunni nations.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Clarice has a rare mid-week article!

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/05/the_office_of_national_assessment_paid_stefan_halper__why.html

[henry]

Clarice, fascinating article. I wonder what the DoD audit will turn up?

[James D.]

I'm not so sure hard core Republican voters will engage in "stay-at-home" protests come the mid-terms to "punish" the Party.

It doesn’t need to be an active protest to damage GOP results on Election Day. A loss of enthusiasm is all it takes.

It’s the difference between just going to the polling place yourself; and feelInfo inspired to do more - volunteering, making calls, donating money, putting up yard signs, dragging a friend or relative (or several) to the polling place with you.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/996277556604157952.html

Thomas Wictor tells us how we can know that the casualty figures from Gaza are bogus.

[Buckeye]

Last thing I plan on doing today is getting sucked into some argument on theology.

Where is the door I nail this posting to?

[Captain Hate]

That Wictor thread has info in it that I wasn't aware of regarding the underlying circumstances of the Norwegian children on an island being murdered because the MFM numbnuts are either too fucking dumb to research things or, more likely, misleadingly report things to further an agenda. Which infuriates me, as does the GOP underhandedly pursuing amnesty which the base does not want and those traitors know that and keep doing it anyway.

Keep it up, assholes; this is how you got DJT and will get more of the same moving forward.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Captain Hate,

It's how we got Braun as the GOP candidate here in Indiana.Messer was a Never Trumper until quite recently, and Rokita was a career politician. So the voters opted for an outsider.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Brit Hume is appalled:

https://twitter.com/brithume/status/996233414595502081

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/996335888178200577.html

Vachel Lindsay with further information on Deraspaka.

I did NOT know he had offered to testify before Congress after Comey was fired but was blocked by someone.

Also, this stuff attempting to recruit Derespaka was PRIOR to the dossier.

[jim nj]

Texas Liberty Gal,

"David and jm nj. Not sure if you guys were offended by my comments on Mormons but I was just stating a fact on why Mormons are not considered Christians. Evidently facts offend some here."
------
"facts" or opinions?
Texas Liberty Gal,

What denomination are you?

And what does it have to say about your bigotry?

And, please tell me, why are you superior to a Mormon?

I really want to understand why your religious belief is better than mine.

Tell me why David and I, of different beliefs are wrong?

All I'm hearing from you is almost two hundred year's worth of bigotry against the Mormon church.

Christianity and Mormons have different ideas about what the trinity means. That's one of the most difficult concepts for any Christian to grasp.

In Roman Catholicism, the trinity is one entity, with different aspects,

Like in "Star Wars", the "Force" is something you are connected to, or not.

G-D is someone you connect with, or not, why worry about how another denomination does so?

Last thing I plan on doing today is getting sucked into some argument on theology.

Where is the door I nail this posting to?

Posted by: Buckeye | May 15, 2018 at 07:24 AM
----
Gotcha!

So you're gonna nail something against the door. What would that be?

Just kidding..

[Jim Eagle]

Good morning.

Your Latin Phrase of the day:

Si sapis, sis apis.

Like yesterday's, a little easier than something from Cicero or Livy:)

Think sweet and where it comes from.

[Another Bob]

Me too Buckeye.

But I had to review this thread and the last, as I didn't recall any particular "Mormon bashing" going on. And indeed, only one comment from TLG that could be so construed, but with some material from Ig technically supporting her position. Did I miss anything else?

I'd respectfully suggest a couple things to David:

1) It's not important what others think of your beliefs, religious or otherwise, it's only important that you're confident and comfortable with them (so long as they're not hurting anyone else, which they aren't).

2) In this world where the progs are actively trying to divide and defeat us, we need to seek our common ground in order to fight that evil. Won't ask you to kiss and make up with any of the small minority here that may have said something that offended you. Will ask that you return and continue making your contributions to the fight.

[Another Bob]

I realize that may have sounded pompous, but it's how I feel about things.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://www.summitdaily.com/opinion/liddick-the-unexamined-russia-connection-to-hillary-clinton-column/

Charles Ortel linked this column with this comment:

Charles Ortel
‏ @CharlesOrtel
14m14 minutes ago

Excellent points but actually tip of iceberg, set to break free in coming moments--@csthetruth

[Ralph L]

Oh, come on, Buckeye, indulge us.

[anonamom]

Boy, buckeye, am I with you!!!

Not that I don't have things to say---
I've written and erased at least five posts on the topic---but I've had to conclude there is just no way I walk through that field without getting covered with shit.

HOWEVER--I'm happy to go there in person, if we ever get our weekend arranged. Just want to make sure I can immediately clarify/expand and see if I am offending.
(Maybe how much I am offending!)

[pagar, a bacon, ham and sausage supporter]

It looks like Clarice has written a very meaningful article, but I can't get the comments to come up.
Anyone else go that problem? They seem to work fine on other articles.

[Captain Hate]

The Trinity is a big deal. The first council of Nicaea occurred to get everyone on the same page. That shouldn't be a controversial concept to understand.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Another Bob,

That was my reason for being so incensed about Romney's comment about Dr. Jeffress yesterday, which is what started this entire kerfuffle.

It was divisive and Romney is the person who set the whole thing off.

I am not a Baptist nor a Jew and I don't share all of their beliefs. HOWEVER, we are in a fight to preserve both their rights, as well as that of Mormons and Roman Catholics, to worship as we see fit.

The progs have been in the process of driving God from public life for almost 50 years, ever since they got the Lord's prayer removed from school. They actually booed God at the democrat convention. (Saw it myself.)

I apologize again for starting this whole mess, as my pointed comments about heresy were really directed towards Mr. Perfect, Mitt Romney, and not Mormons as a whole.

I am deeply ashamed that this denigrated the threads and I hope David will return and we can drop this entire subject.

[jim nj]

I realize that may have sounded pompous, but it's how I feel about things.

Posted by: Another Bob | May 15, 2018 at 07:59 AM
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No that seemed right.

[pagar, a bacon, ham and sausage supporter]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-15/george-soros-open-society-foundation-closes-hungary-operations

Meanwhile, IM0, Soros works every day to close down the USA.

[Buckeye]

Another boring genealogy story.

My wife is a decendant of 3 Plymouth colony members that sailed on the Mayflower.

William Bradford is one, another is a guy named Copeland, who was a shiphand, can't remember the third. Copeland opted to stay in the New World as opposed to return on the Mayflower.

These good Puritans, who were escaping religious persecution, worked on Copeland to adopt their religious views. When he refused, they kicked the shit outta him, cut off his ear and banished him.

One thing I know for sure, our sinful nature means we are likely to make a mess of things, including theology, no matter how "pure".

Not much chance we would get it "right".

[Davod]

Tuesday, May 15, 2018Elder of Ziyon
Here are three of the "innocent civilians" killed yesterday, members of the Al Quds Brigades. One was 16 years old.
Islamic Jihad has published a death notice for three of the members of its Al Quds Brigades who were killed yesterday.

The one on the right is Ahmed Adel Mousa Al-Shaer, who was 16 years old. Yes, at least one of the "children" killed yesterday was a member of a terror group.

Here we have photographic evidence that Gaza terror groups recruit children for terror. And that terror groups are hiding in the middle of the protests to prepare acts of terror.

And that Israel isn't killing people randomly.

Which means - more evidence that the media will ignore.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2018/05/here-are-three-of-innocent-civilians.html

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/996264521059786752

The Mossad
‏ @TheMossadIL

Posts plastered all over Facebook instructing protesters to bring guns, knives, infiltrate Israel en masse, invade nearby villages and kidnap Israelis. Special 'thanks' to @facebook community standards team for enabling this.

========================

Screen cap video in link above.

[narciso]

Hence I think the sanctions were targeted at deripaska and vekselberg. They surmised they wereinvolved in some hunky panky

[pagar, a bacon, ham and sausage supporter]

Excellent link at 08:01 Miss Marple. Some times I forget to thank you for all the good stuff we would never know about if not for your links.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
1m1 minute ago

Our great First Lady is doing really well. Will be leaving hospital in 2 or 3 days. Thank you for so much love and support!

[narciso]

All we know gemaa islamiya does, the event in surabaya this week want even as significant as compared to 2000,

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

pagar,

You are welcome! I don't have cable, so I scan Twitter for news of interest. I am also blessed in having a rapid reading rate, thanks to a speed-reading class they had us all take when I was in high school.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/trump-to-keynote-prominent-anti-abortion-gala

CAUTION: Multiple loud and annoying videos attached. Be prepared to mute them.

[GUS]

I e-mailed DAVID and asked him to stay. I won't share my message to him, but I gave him my feelings and my love.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
19s20 seconds ago

Trade negotiations are continuing with China. They have been making hundreds of billions of dollars a year from the U.S., for many years. Stay tuned!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/05/15/pastor-hagee-gives-benediction-opening-u-s-embassy-jerusalem-israel-lives/

Video of the benediction is at the link. It was very strong and very inspiring.

[sbwaters]

Hi, David. I’m glad to have you here. Please stay.

What is important about your Mormon beliefs is that you believe them.

What is also important is that you let others’ observations about religion wash over you and take what value you can from them. Your beliefs will come out more clearly because you did.

Again, please stay.

My objection to Mitt Romney is not that he is Mormon, but a two-faced bloviating pompous ass. If anything, his being Mormon is a saving grace.

Although I haven’t gone back to TLG’s comments, I value her representations and strong arguments and am glad she is here. JOM is sturdiest because strong arguments are met head on, and we seem to be able to choose wisely to oppose or ignore things.

The historical time of Joseph Smith requires understanding the philosophical struggle between institutional dogma and individual thought that Transendentalism represented.

That was then and, because we don’t live then, leave contemporary judgment about it on the shelf. Just mine it for useful patterns.

I can laugh uproariously at both “The Book of Mormon” and “Life of Brian” and still respect those who revere and value the core values the religions represent.

[lurkersusie]

Way to many swamp dwellers in DC

Jacob Wohl on Twitter: "LEAKED TEXT MESSAGES show that Senator Mark Warner set up meeting to collude with infamous Russian Oligarch Oleg Deripraska https://t.co/L06fVOaaKH"

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

unseen1
‏ @unseen1_unseen
8m8 minutes ago

The reaction of Dems and gope about the ZTE issue explains why they can never solve any problems. Trump asked Xi for help with NK, he helped. Xi personally asked Trump for help with ZTE. If he doesn't help then the relationship fails and we are back to square one with NK
=========================================

I wanted to post this because it is quite true. If I had a dime for every negative comment about this over the last few days I could probably buy our groceries for a week.

Unending carping about backing down, broken promises, Chinese getting the better of him, etc. etc.

It's ridiculous and demonstrated the simple-mindedness of news analysts and certain elected officials, Marco Rubio being one.

[narciso]

Yes Rooney the eggman koo koo katchoo Bennett (who was once suspected of being Woodward source lets forger harry Reid for a while, well I caught enough flak when the then emerging scandals were revealed in the church. Regardless of the reason.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://medium.com/@stuartdean/the-clinton-foundation-legal-deficiencies-in-its-organizational-structure-their-implications-d42de2892c37

I see what he is saying, but I don't understand the significance of his conclusion.

[maryrose]

David:
I would like you to stay because I value your contributions to this blog.

[Extraneus]

Clarice linked Sundance's post with the Mark Warner, Adam Waldman texts about Steele and Derepaska last night. SCRIBD at the bottom here:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/05/14/mueller-probe-might-not-survive-much-longer-intelligence-connections-highlight-sketchy-origin-to-special-counsel/

Very interesting reading.

[Old Lurker]

What Maryrose said, David.

And the others.

[Buckeye]

The ZTE flap is a bit overblown.

The real concern is IP theft, and they have ample opportunity to steal stuff with or without semiconductor sales to ZTE.

While the semiconductors are "state of the art", possessing them doesn't practically mean you can reverse engineer diddly.

After decades of reverse engineering effort and IP theft, the Chinese finally have an aircraft carrier.

It is barely seaworthy.

[clarice feldman]

Thanks.

I spoke to darling Gus this morning briefly --what a doll!He didn't even lord it over me that he's on beautiful Lake Nemahbin and I'm not.

I hope we can get back to politics and curvy women and stuff and away from religious doctrinal differences. IMO from the outside everyone else's religious beliefs are hard to comprehend. Politics and such, much less jeated a topic. COme back, Davod! Davod come back!

[Momto2]

From my Broken-Neck Survivors page today - I thought this was a good reminder.

You will continue to suffer if you have an emotional reaction to everything that is said to you.

True power is sitting back and observing everything with logic. True power is restraint.

If words control you that means everyone else can control you. Breathe and allow things to pass.

[pagar, a bacon, ham and sausage supporter]

I second the requests that David stays on JOM.

[Porchlight]

In Roman Catholicism, the trinity is one entity, with different aspects,

Not just in Roman Catholicism. The Trinity is orthodox doctrine in Protestantism as well.

The Book of Mormon is vile. I may have fundamental theological disagreements with LDS, but I will defend them against anti-Christian haters any day.