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July 22, 2018

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Captain Hate

per Chitown lurker, use immunity approved by judge. (I assume this relates to Manafort).

Another swamp victory. Obama and Rodham will be home free shortly.

henry


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JUST IN: U.S. judge approves request by U.S. Special Counsel's office to grant immunity to five witnesses in exchange for their testimony at trial in Virginia

Extraneus

Another good thread by Sundance, but who said they were pictures?

30. That March 17th, 2017, leak hunt eventually led to the capture of James Wolfe, who sent reporter Ali Watkins 82 picture text messages (on the day he took custody) distributing the @carterwpage FISA application to the media. /END

He's just guessing that because there's 82 pages in the document (83 minus a blank page). Great sleuthing, but man, he really should stop claiming what he doesn't know for sure.

Eye Doctor

Sessions was following the Deep State playbook when he recused himself. The same playbook that gave us Fitzgerald in Plamegate.

James D.

Porch, my take is that President Trump can't fire him - even if he is displeased with Sessions' performance - because he knows there's no way in hell he'll get an actual swamp-drainer confirmed; and whoever ends up in charge in the interim would be far worse than Sessions is.

Compared to the Communist agitators we had for the eight years under Obama, Sessions is worlds better even if everything we naysayers believe about him is true. The problem is we expected - and we NEED - so much more than that.

henry

PJ Media @PJMedia_com
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Sessions: 'If You Want Crime to Up,' Let 'ACLU Run the Police Department' dlvr.it/QcVhVY

Captain Hate

Trump will never get a decent AG approved by the Senate, most of whom are in Soros's pocket.

clarice feldman

http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/23/confirmed-doj-used-materially-false-information-to-secure-wiretaps-on-trump-associate/

GUS

I think this VIRGINIA ruling proves that the 4-D match is going in OUR favor.

henry

https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/the-fbi-goes-full-nixon-with-fisa-report/

Tom R

If Sessions weren't doing what Trump wants him to do, he'd be out of a job.

It's hard to fathom why some people here can't figure that out.

Eye Doctor

Rand Paul was the only Senator to vote against Comey becoming FBI Director. That should tell you something.

GUS

What President Trump needs is a ATTORNEY GENERAL CZAR. That would be ok.

henry

OK, should make for an interesting cocktail hour:

Zoe Tillman @ZoeTillman
22m

Dispatch from court this a.m. in Manafort's Virginia case:
- Judge will grant govt's motion for use immunity to five potential govt witnesses. Judge ordered pleadings unsealed, so we'll find out who they are
- Judge expects to rule this p.m. on Manafort's motion to delay trial

Porchlight

henry, what can possibly be the downside, if Sessions is as awful as you all claim?

Porchlight

and whoever ends up in charge in the interim would be far worse than Sessions is.

Why? Can Trump not choose this person?

Eye Doctor

Yeah Tommy boy, that's exactly how it works in DC.

Eye Doctor

Expect to see Greg Craig on that list.

Eye Doctor

Tommy boy

I guess when you said if Podesta received immunity you would "rethink"

Really meant you would double down on your bullshit.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Extraneus,

As I read that thread, he matched up the 82 text messages cited with the 82 pages of the warrant, so he deduced that the way Ali got the warrant was through 82 photos of each page texted to her.

Captain Hate

Expect to see Greg Craig on that list.

Ugh. We are nearing a major fork in the road as to whether or not the bad actors are home free.

Tom R

The probability that Rosenstein reauthorized Page's FISA warrant as part of a 4D sting operation skyrocketed as a result of Gus and Eye Doctor ridiculing the idea.

Sundance goes into more detail on the 4D sting operation.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/07/23/indicted-senate-staffer-james-wolfe-leaked-a-2017-copy-of-full-fisa-warrant-against-carter-page-to-reporter-ali-watkins/

Common sense and our own independent research tells us that Dan Coats and Admiral Rogers knew the SSCI was corrupt, dangerous and likely leaking just to damage President Trump and protect their deep state interests. That’s why the March 17th, 2017, released FISA application was seeded to trace a leaker.

How many Ledge dwellers based their negative opinion of Rosenstein primarily on the fact he reauthorized the Page FISA warrant?

Rocco

I think Sessions was duped by a Trump hating Sally Yates appointee, Scott Schools. Schools immediately talked Sessions into recusing. He also told Rosenstein not to recuse involving any Russian collusion and finally, he advised Rosenstein to appoint Mueller.

I'm speculating that Schools also advised Sessions to rehire Rosenstien, Boente and Huber, after the president asked for their resignations. That puts all the coup pieces in place to take down the president.

GUS

TOM R. The entire concept of 4-D is fantasy. This isn't a game.
As for SESSIONS. Trump can fire him. THEN WHAT??

Tom R, why don't you take a couple months and learn 1-D chess then come back leaner and stronger.

henry

Porch, more power for Rosenstein? Or can him too and then where are we? Who then to pick and fill the slot? Would Perry Mason get confirmed? Does Trump have the freedom you grant him here? Would he telegraph a firing if he was going to?

Bottom line, I have no idea if Trump is happy with Sessions. I know that I am not happy with Sessions based on his actions that directly affect my business. His gang and sanctuary city cleanups are fine, as are his leak search actions. (I assume any AG would do those two, swamp status aside). Then we have Sessions pride and joy: asset forfeiture is an abomination.

Eye Doctor

Tommy boy

Rosenstein helped the Uranium One deal happen and then helped cover it up.

What don't you understand

James D.

Porch @ 12:40

The problem is, Trump would be choosing an interim AG from the existing upper echelons of the DoJ.

I don't think there are a whole lot of people there who the President could trust on any level.

Porchlight

So if Sessions is fired, it is because he deserves to be fired.

If Sessions is not fired, it's because a replacement can't be confirmed and the interim alternatives are unacceptable.

This is kinda like 4D chess, right? No matter what, The Ledge is correct.

Eye Doctor

Tommy boy

Do you think as that clown RG does, that asset forfeiture is to take down the Clinton Foundaton?

Tom R

Gus,

Have you read the Sundance articles on the possible sting operation? If not perhaps you should so you can get an understanding of what is going on?

GUS

I don't believe Sessions is a bad person, I believe he recused himself when he didn't need to.
Mueller hiring 13 RODHAM donors to investigate POSSIBLE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN OUR ELECTIONS.....immmmmmmmediately morphed into.........GET TRUMP GET TRUMP, despite assurances by JIMMY THE WEASEL COMEY to the contrary. Why DID Sessions recuse himself?? Because he didn't recognize what was at state.
TRUMP IS MOST CERTAINLY PISSED OFF at SESSIONS, but SESSIONS isn't actually the AG in the most vital situation in 4O PLUS YEARS.

henry

This is kinda like 4D chess, right? No matter what, The Ledge is correct.

Not the point. Simply that a lack of firing does not mean a heck of a lot, as evidence goes.

Eye Doctor

Tommy boy

Is the Podesta immunity deal a Trump 4d move?

narciso

I think that last link suggests Wolfe was firmly in the deepstate vein.

GUS

No TOM R, I'm leaving all the heavy lifting to you.

Tom R

No TOM R, I'm leaving all the heavy lifting to you.

Your call to stick your head in the sand and ignore significant new facts. It just makes your criticism come across as uninformed.


Eye Doctor

Tommy boy

Do you think this is the first time the Deep State spied on a presidential candidate?

Do you think this is the first time they have been caught?

Eye Doctor

Tommy boy

Do you have first hand knowledge of anything?

Porchlight

Not the point. Simply that a lack of firing does not mean a heck of a lot, as evidence goes.

Or it could mean that no evidence will satisfy you, because you have already come to your preferred conclusion.

Captain Hate

How many of Sundance's lunatic hypotheses have resulted in indictments or convictions?

narciso

And kimberly fritts, the nominal republican at podesta inc

Extraneus

As I read that thread, he matched up the 82 text messages cited with the 82 pages of the warrant, so he deduced that the way Ali got the warrant was through 82 photos of each page texted to her.

I understand that. He deduced it, then claimed it as a fact.

Eye Doctor

How will they deal with Blumenthal?

narciso

Paul Sperry had the name of two of those judges on the fisa panel months ago.

Tom R

CH,

Did you read the Sundance articles on the sting operation or at you taking the Gus route and avoiding them in case they cause you to realize you may be wrong about Rosenstein?

Eye Doctor

Tommy boy

You have decided to completely ignore Uranium One

Why is that?

GUS

Yes, TOM R. You are informed, I am not. You get your info from some guy called SUNDANCE.

narciso

Except that the establishment really doesn't trade on facts, just rumor and innuendo.

GUS

Capn, the guy isn't very bright. Seriously.

maryrose

I like the AG czar idea.
Rosenstein is on my bad list because he disrespects Congress he was part of Uranium One deal and he doesn’t supervise Mueller properly.
He should have been fired yesterday.
Manafort will ultimately be pardoned just like Marc Rich by Clinton.
Both had dirty deals overseas. If the Dems do it and get away with it then why not the Repubs.

GUS

What does firing or not firing SESSIONS have to do with this investigation. He's not part of this investigation through his own doing.

Porchlight

Trump Curse strikes again: Trevor Noah edition

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/918zfh/trump_curse_strikes_again_this_time_its_trevor/

Eye Doctor

Tommy boy

Do you think as that clown RG does that the DIA are boy scouts battling the CIA?

maryrose

Rosenstein’s signature is on a FISA warrant.
Don’t believe in the sting deal hypothesis.

Captain Hate

I'm pretty offended by the demand that I spend time reading CTH, which I don't like. My attitude toward Rosenstein isn't as negative as some here's seem to be so it might not change a single thing.

Eye Doctor

Rosenstein is dirty!

maryrose

Sundance is not reliable enough for me to use it as a primary source.
Many like to grasp at any article that supports their own theory.
I am waiting for the truth.
Fact:
Awan getting off with slap on the wrist.
Tony Podesta gets immunity.
Obama and company along with Hillary and Kerry still free and able to lie with impunity.
Manafort: locked in jail without a trial.

GUS

Verygood post Maryrose. As for all this nonsense back and forth about this secret 4-D operation, it will end up that the 4-d folks claim that whatever happens was part of a grand scheme. That's not how the world nor the swamp works. I believe that President Trump has good people who are keeping up on this and are in possession of tons of evidence to show this witch hunt has been political from day one. NOTHING will be finalized before the elections, and that is a big deal. Donald Trump is extremely smart and accomplished. We've never had a President anything like him. THAT IS WHY this is all happening. HE threatens the STATUS QUO. Simple as that.

Pinandpuller

Recess appointment

Schools out for Donald

Pinandpuller

Someone needs to give Sessions immunity on Russian Collusion then he ca unrecuse and fire Mueller and Rosenstein

Captain Hate

Or it could mean that no evidence will satisfy you, because you have already come to your preferred conclusion.

henry hasn't accused you of arguing in bad faith.

If what henry, Gus and I believe comes to pass, it will be terrible. But speaking for myself I won't blame you, Tom or RG for it happening. We just differ on how we interpret the same set of facts.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Captain Hate,

Sundance is not a lunatic. You demand indictments immediately. How, exactly, does that work? How long does it take to get an indictment on an open-and-shut murder case? This is way more complicated than that. Look at how many people oer how many countless hours are looking at this on the internet, with a huge number of names and agencies, not counting people outside the government.

If the government is as infiltrated with these creeps as we believe, who is it that is going to do the questioning? Remember, the FBI doesn't record interviews; they simply write down their best recollections after the interview is done.

There are sealed indictments in some number. How many of those have to do with government corruption vs. MS-13 and drug charges, I have no idea.

What I DO know is that Pompeo made a trip to North Korea way before the public interactions and installed a secure communications device. That information was only released much later; it didn't leak.

Trump keeps a lot of information close to his chest. He isn't stupid.

I find it interesting that people who have worked for him but left the administration, like Sebastian Gorka for one example, have never said one bad thing about Sessions, although they are quite free in their criticism of Comey, Hillary, many in the FBI, etc.

Now, an absence of evidence isn't proof, but it seems to be that is a fact that should be taken into account.

I have no idea whether Sessions is asleep or running a clandestine investigation. However, I don't think people who think one way or the other are lunatics.

Eye Doctor

Tom R

You are long on opinions and very short on facts

Tom R

Capn, the guy isn't very bright. Seriously.

Are you going to go down this route again and make the same mistake you always make when you try to insult my intelligence?

I'm not the one refusing to read an article to get informed on a topic. What does it say about you that you refuse to even acknowledge the point being raised?

maryrose

Sundance has less credibility when it deals in conjecture rather than fact.
I guess it comes down to whether you rely on their information as a major source of knowledge.

Pinandpuller

Mueller is burning the countryside and Sessions is marching his troops around the parade ground.

Eye Doctor

Tommy boy

You are the one refusing to acknowledge points being raised.

For example. URANIUM ONE!

Jane

I'm with you Rocco.

I would wager if we win the midterms both Sessions and Rosenstien will be out. And that's pretty Trumpian as we've seen before. Don't have a clue who he will replace them with.

GUS

I'm guessing an open and shut murder case wouldn't take more than 6 months.

Where are the indictments against DJT???
Where is the evidence???

I'd like to remind you Lovely Miss M., all of this new information has come a year and a half into a witch hunt AGAINST TRUMP, not the other way around.
Strzok, Page, Rosenstein, Mueller et al, are the INVESTIGATORS nor the TARGETS. It's taken a year and a half to expose this FISA abuse, and still it's not wholly agreed upon that the FBI did anything wrong, when a BLIND PERSON could see they did.
WHO IS TO INVESTIGATE THE INVESTIGATORS???
Who makes the decision to investigate YATES, COMEY, McCabe, Rosenstein, Mueller et al. Sessions can't.
So we have a pickle.

Tom R

I'm pretty offended by the demand that I spend time reading CTH, which I don't like. My attitude toward Rosenstein isn't as negative as some here's seem to be so it might not change a single thing.

Why would you get offended over something like that? AFAIK Sundance is the only person so far to make the connection about why Rosenstein reauthorized the Page FISA warrant. If you aren't willing to read the article are you just going to take my word on it?

BTW correct me if my memory is incorrect but haven't you been one of the people who cited Rosenstein's reauthorization of the Page FISA warrant as evidence he was a Deep Stater trying to destroy Trump?

maryrose

TomR:
I am sure you are as smart as Gus or maybe even smarter.
That is really not the point.
We all choose to get our information from different sources.
Your telling us to read Sundance when we don’t trust it as a source is a waste of time.
It is ok to disagree.
We are disappointed in the Awan and Podesta deals to say nothing of the forced search and jailing of Manafort.
We don’t see a grand plan in place for these events to occur.

Porchlight

henry hasn't accused you of arguing in bad faith.

True, Cap'n, and I apologize to henry.

But considering that the back and forth on this has become somewhat unproductive, I think it might help for all to acknowledge that the strength of any given piece of evidence is more or less an opinion at this point.

GUS

If Sessions was running a clanestine investigation, how would he keep that SECRET from the DOJ and FBI?? Who could he trust there? Who could he use for that purpose. Who could any investigator talk to within this group of criminals, without all of them knowing???

Captain Hate

Sundance is not a lunatic.

Sorry but I've gotten burned out on blowhards that concoct schemes which never happen. The only thing that did happen was that Slick got impeached which the MFM has locked into the memory hole so young people probably don't know happened.

I'm sure Sundance had plenty of posts on the Awan deal. How'd that work out? I need concrete results and until I get them, I'm not expecting anything.

Captain Hate

Thank you, Porch.

Tom R

maryrose,

If you aren't willing to read the Sundance articles then you have no idea what the topic of the discussion is.

Eye Doctor

Does anyone really think Sessions did not know what was going to happen when he recused himself?

GUS

Yeah Maryrose, you need to read what TOMMY R tells your to read. Ok??

Because he's your pal and he's REALLY SMART!!

Beasts of England

'I need concrete results and until I get them, I'm not expecting anything.'

If that statement concerns Sessions, then it describes my position perfectly.

maryrose

TomR:
I have read them and have stated my opinion.

Eye Doctor

Tommy boy

Who is Sundance?

henry

Porch, thank you. Until something happens in public, our "evidence" is mostly conjecture.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

GUS,

Well, here is a THEORY. It is one way it could be done fairly clandestinely.

First of all, assign most of the cases to Huber out in Utah, far from the gossip mills of DC. Second, put the investigations under the arm of the Secret Service. One could certainly do that for the financial crimes the Clintons have no doubt committed. That is still part of the Secret Service mission.

https://www.secretservice.gov/investigation/

In this case, the investigators would not report to Sessions but to the Department of Homeland Security, bypassing both the FBI and the DOJ.

Testimony could be given in Utah and indictments handed down there.

Now, this s a THEORY and I have no evidence any of it is true, but you DID ask how one could do it, so I gave you an example.

maryrose

I agree with Captain and Beasts.
TomR:
I respect your posts here and don’t appreciate being told I don’t know what I am talking about.
Agree to disagree.

Porchlight

Welcome, henry, and thanks.

GUS

Sundance is some guy on the web. He's TOMMY R's go to guy vis a vis 4-D chess. I've read him, and YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNN.
But I'm really not that smart, so I just do my ow thinking and I read FACTS not conjecture.
Tommy R on the other hand, reads other people fictional theories and VOILA, he's a genius.
I used to go to Breitbart / Conservative Tree House to see how they think. Bored me to death.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Please take the time to read this. It's a screen cap from the Wall Street journal titled "A Soldier Never Forgets North Platte."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DizkgMOU8AAsf5a.jpg

This country is full of wonderful people.

Captain Hate

Miss Marple,

I hope your 1:53 is correct, and I think it is at least in part. My problem is that it's moving at such a snail's pace compared to what Mueller's doing that it's like playing by a different set of rules. The length of time makes me think it would be a swoop down and snag everyone activity, but that's only a guess.

daddy

Good Morning!

In Hour 2 Rush is asked by a caller why did Marco Rubio say what he said yesterday, about the FBI being honorable in the FISA Investigation re: Carter Page, and that he sees no evidence they were doing all the dirty sneaky stuff we all know those weasels were doing.

Rush replies by citing Trey Gowdy's recent actions as Dr Jeckyl/Mr Hyde, saying one thing on one day and then something 180 degrees opposite the following day. "How do you explain, Trey Gowdy's actions?", Rush asks his caller.

She replies maybe he wants to make friends on both sides for further advancement. Rush says "right on", and says that within the Beltway he (Gowdy and others) can get away with saying whatever he wants to say on any given day as long as it doesn't involve him having to do anything.

Rush says he thinks Rubio here is acting similarly. He thinks that as a consequence of being belittled by Trump in the Primary by being called "Little Marco", he has harbored negative feelings against Trump ever since, and this is an opportunity for a little revenge, so he picked this as a good time to be critical of the President for max damaging effect to Trump, calculating that he (Rubio) won't suffer any real consequences since it's just talk, betting his voters will forget about it whenever his next Election cycle is.

Anybody at JOM got a better or a different explanation than Rush's about Rubio simply being a standard political weasel?

maryrose

MM:
Could be done that way I suppose.
I just need more real facts and real action.
Release of FISA is a good thing and we have Fitton to thank for that.Clapper’s comment wrt Obama is a smoking gun which everyone is ignoring.
All the important, pertinent information is buried and we are inundated with fake news.

Tom R

I have read them and have stated my opinion.

OK then. Considering the fact we already know that Wolfe has been indicted are you willing to admit to the possibility that the reason Page's FISA warrant was reauthorized was due to an elaborate sting operation concocted by the Trump team as part of the Swamp draining process?

GUS

Release of THE HEAVILY REDACTED FISA is a good thing

Captain Hate

Thanks for that North Platte link.

New thread time.

Michael (fpa P4F) ... Stop the Witch Hunt - Stop the Coup !

Never gonna catch up . . .

Belated congratulations to ENRDV, and best wishes to the talented Caro on their wedding.

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Iggy - So sorry to hear that the new flame has self-extinguished your relationship.
Better now than later - and I second your concern re therapists/shrinks.
I can only think of two who have had any semblance of a "normal" personal life.

Might have dodged a bad 'un there.

derwill

The Deep State coup is being exposed drip by drip. To know this is true is to compare what we know about it today, to what we knew in November of 2016--which was basically nothing.

I think we can also assume that if the Deep State were having things all their way, then we still wouldn't know one iota about what they were up to. Yet we do know.

Remember when Trump tweeted about being spied on and all the usual suspects shrieked liar, liar. Yet now it's common knowledge that not only was he spied on, but the spying continued after the election, and the FBI lied and used a known faked dossier paid for by Hillary to get the FISA warrant to do the spying. The fact that we the people are now in possession of this knowledge tells me that some progress is being made in draining the swamp. Because without that progress we would still be in the dark about what these bad actors were up to. The FBI used to be one of the, if not the, most trusted institutions in the country. We can hardly say that about them anymore.

Which is why even though I too, would like to see indictments like yesterday, I'm not going to despair and assume that we'll never see them. Maybe we won't, but the first step was always going to have to be exposing the coup attempt, the FBI corruption, and the spying to the public, and that is happening.

daddy

Sara Huckabee Sanders about to start a briefing but first Trish Regan has on Gen Keane who ticked me off last week, but now is positive about Trump's firm words of caution to Iran:

Gen Keane: ...Finally we have a president who is not coddling them like Obama was for 8 years, who's standing up to them. Two weeks after the Inauguration they test-fired a Ballistic Missile and the President (Trump) sanctioned them and said this: "If you do anything in terms of your aggressive or malign behavior again, against our Allies or against the United States, I'm not going to stand for it," and that is where that policy has been since then, to include getting rid of the Nuclear deal. He's trying to put together an Arab NATO in the Middle East where the strategic enemy is Iran, so I think this President is moving in the right direction. He's got a no-nonsense attitude about it. He and his Team are trying to convey that to the Iranians so they stay out trouble.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Captain Hate,

I think all of us here would like the criminals rounded up yesterday. However, you and I and most here have known since the 90's that the Clintons were corrupt. Look at how long it took us to realize that a good chunk of the GOP were corrupt, too. THAT didn't really dawn on me until Donald J. Trump announced he was running and a bunch of people went nutso. Furthermore, until he was elected we had NO idea how corrupted the FBI was, nor the DOJ!

Do you think my daughter will be convinced? She overheard me talking about President Trump's sacrifice to a friend on the phone and got on my case about how it was just his ego which caused him to run. Her understanding of the government is from crap like Slate and the Daily Beast, and when you try to talk to her about it, she goes nuts.

Multiply that by people all over the country, many with no hesitation to use violence, and you can see the problem. The media is complicit in this as well.

Trump has to navigate a very deliberate path in order to avoid massive civil unrest. I think that is why Obama and Hillary are both out (in a completely unprecedented manner) criticizing him. Hillary is also making noise like she would like to run again (no doubt making any charges against her framed as political retaliation).

President Trump managed to get elected when no one gave him a chance. He kept his computer operations and intelligence secret. I am certain he is doing the same with this.

So, although it is VERY hard, I have to trust that the President knows what he's doing, whether it's 4-D chess, shrewd New York street savvy, or divine guidance.

Rocco

Allowing Huber to investigate the DOJ is like asking Wray to investigate the FBI.

Captain Hate

I do trust DJT, Miss Marple, and I doubt anything will change that.

Extraneus

Anybody at JOM got a better or a different explanation than Rush's about Rubio simply being a standard political weasel?

Do we know which candidate the Washington Free Beacon was seeking to help by hiring GPS Fusion to investigate Trump?

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