Show Me The Money

The Trump-Cohen tape is out on CNN and this "cash' element of the controversy is crazy:

Cohen told Trump about his plans to set up a company and finance the purchase of the rights from American Media, which publishes the National Enquirer.

 

"I need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend David," Cohen said in the recording, likely a reference to American Media head David Pecker.

 

Trump interrupts Cohen asking, "What financing?" according to the recording. When Cohen tells Trump, "We'll have to pay." Trump is heard saying "pay with cash" but the audio is muddled and it's unclear whether he suggests paying with cash or not paying. Cohen says, "no, no" but it is not clear what is said next.

 

No payment was ever made from Trump, Rudy Giuliani, the President's attorney, has said. Giuliani has previously acknowledged that the recorded discussion related to the buying the story rights.

 

And then...

 

Davis later added: "Ladies and gentlemen, if you voted for Donald Trump, listen to the tape and ask yourself: Is Donald Trump lying when he said he didn't use the word 'cash' and accuses Michael Cohen of using the word 'cash'? Cohen has been disparaged. Cohen has been insulted and called all sorts of things by people around Donald Trump."

 

Alan Futerfas, a lawyer for the Trump Organization, refuted that the tape shows Trump was offering a cash payment.

 

"Whoever is telling Davis that cash in that conversation refers to green currency is lying to him," Futerfas told CNN. "There's no transaction done in green currency. It doesn't happen. The whole deal never happened. If it was going to happen, it would be a payment to a large company that would obviously be accompanied by an agreement of sale. Those documents would be prepared by lawyers on both sides."

 

Cash, in the conversation, was in reference to how a deal would be financed, Futerfas added.

"The word cash came up in the context of the distinction between financing, which is referenced, and no financing, which means a full payment, a total one-time payment. That's the context in which the word cash is used," he said. "Anyone who knows anything about the company or how the President does business knows there is no green cash. Everything is documented. Every penny is documented."

 

I refuse to doublecheck but I am confident Cohen had a contract with Ms. MacDougal, or Stormy, or both. No mention of a suitcase with unmarked twenties of a bag of Trump Casino chips.

 

Cohen's lawyer was more colorful:

 

Davis told Cuomo the tape clearly shows that it’s Trump who says “cash” and declared, “Richard Nixon couldn’t spin the tape that did him in, and there’s no way that Mr. Giuliani, who knows from being U.S. Attorney, the only people who use cash are drug dealers and mobsters. Cash is not what you do, and it was Michael Cohen who said, ‘No, no, no, no.’ And Donald Trump, despite what Rudy Giuliani said publicly, the tape contradicts Mr. Giuliani and the word ‘cash’ is heard by everyone.”

 

Well. On Wall Street people talk about cash financing all time and never mean green bills. I have even bought a car in a "cash deal", or at least, in a deal that involved neither a lease nor any financing (Yeah, that's how us high rollers roll. Four year old Highlander, but whatever...). And it's not just me!

 

Buying a Car: Should You Pay With Cash if You Can?

 

It may seem like a smart idea: You're buying a car, and you can afford to write one check for the entire vehicle, which means you'll never have to make a payment. You should go ahead and do that, right? Not necessarily. We explain why it isn't always a great idea to buy a car with cash, even if you can afford to do so.

 

Wait, what? Buy with cash by "writing a check"? Whatever could that mean?

 

As to the notion that only drug dealers and mobsters use actual cash, hmm - maybe that is why so many people are afraid of their plumber. It's not Trump, it's the tax evasion! I guess Mr. Davis has never met a small businessman who sometimes mis-estimates his business receipts, at least as far as tax reporting goes. I've heard it happens.

 

Well. I have thought for a while we were at least making progress through the foothills on the way to Peak Stupid. Now I'm wondering if we are stuck on Mesa Stupid.

 

BUT THEN AGAIN! Can't spell "Mensa" without "Mesa"! 

Comments

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
4m4 minutes ago

China is targeting our farmers, who they know I love & respect, as a way of getting me to continue allowing them to take advantage of the U.S. They are being vicious in what will be their failed attempt. We were being nice - until now! China made $517 Billion on us last year.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/970016342840696832.html

This is a good overview of the history of tariffs in the United States. I appreciated this because I hadn't really paid much attention over the years and this helped me get up to speed.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1021968228816379904.html

Thomas Wictor writes about how what we are seeing is not what is happening, and also about what poor custodians many museums and the National Archives are.

[Captain Hate]

I believe everyone is an addict - addicted to sin. This is not for condemnation but for realization.

Amen to this and anyone thinking otherwise is guilty of the sin of excess pride. I'm a sinner who tries to do right.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

The head of the EU will be at the White House today.

The President has a meeting with McConnell and Ryan this morning.

And Mark Knoller of CBS Radio said that would be a good time to ask about the Cohen tape! I let him know how I felt about that.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

JUST IN: President Donald Trump's star of the Hollywood Walk of Fame has been destroyed. https://t.co/MYYjGYYuEb pic.twitter.com/2UdLmsp7FM

— WAFB (@WAFB) July 25, 2018

Photo and story at links.

It's stuff like this which explain to me why the investigation into corruption is going on under the radar and at glacial speed. I think people like this would form roaming mobs looking for Republicans to lynch.

[Eye Doctor]

TOP STORYHillary Clinton Donor Clare Bronfman Arrested In NXIVM Sex Cult Case
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/hillary-clinton-donor-clare-bronfman-arrested-in-nxivm-sex-cult-case/

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--BUT--I am not praying that you two "get together someday," because your initial post about breaking up still concerns me. As does the blame on work.--

I believe we'll only get together if she heals. We're apart because she finally let someone in and it scared her. She's not doing that again until that fear is gone.

[Another Bob]

Nah, MM. Yo-yos doing dumb pointless and relatively risk-free vandalism aren’t the danger.

We’re a long way from roving mobs.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

I would also like to request prayer. My daughter is at a neurologist this morning because she thinks she has the symptoms of MS.

I am praying that she is wrong and that her symptoms have more to do with her medication and approaching pre-menopausal age.

[henry]

Caleb Howe @CalebHowe
1h

msnbc has a reporter live on scene from a farm before dawn.

you guys know a trade "war" is more like, on paper, right? Like, there aren't going to be scud missile launches at the farm y'all.

https://twitter.com/CalebHowe/status/1022079187660759041

[Ralph L]

The Establissment can't see that he's raising tariffs as a negotiating tool--or they're unwilling to say it, IOW fear-mongering.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

I may have posted this a few days ago. It's a good article by Evan Sayet about how President Trump is fighting the culture war.

https://townhall.com/columnists/evansayet/2017/07/13/he-fights-n2354580

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

It’s been more than an hour since Reuters reported that ISIS has claimed responsibility for the Toronto Terrorist. Not a peep about it from Trudeau’s state broadcaster. The top story on their website is this scolding story about how global warming creates “weather bombs”. pic.twitter.com/uIPzMZzCx2

— Ezra Levant 🇨🇦 (@ezralevant) July 25, 2018

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2018/07/24/duck-boat-accident-saturday-funeral-service-5-other-colemans/825728002/

Plelase remember this family in your prayers, especially Tia Coleman, who lost all 3 of her children and her husband.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Very proud to have a President do what what he said he was going to do. For decades now @realdonaldtrump has been signaling the alarm against the hollowing out of America. Other countries have been “Dumping” and screwing over America for too long. Time to get tough! #maga #tbt pic.twitter.com/B7EIcrHxFb

— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) March 8, 2018

Video at link.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
23m23 minutes ago

What kind of a lawyer would tape a client? So sad! Is this a first, never heard of it before? Why was the tape so abruptly terminated (cut) while I was presumably saying positive things? I hear there are other clients and many reporters that are taped - can this be so? Too bad!

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
17m17 minutes ago

Congratulations to Brian Kemp on your very big win in Georgia last night. Wow, 69-30, those are big numbers. Now go win against the open border, crime loving opponent that the Democrats have given you. She is weak on Vets, the Military and the 2nd Amendment. Win!

[narciso]

They think it's like the day after when the silos launched in the shadow of the farms.

Yes a little context is needed say McKinley tariff (sponsored by that guy) and fordney number,

[narciso]

Look who else was defending firtash

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/chicagoinc/ct-met-dmitry-firtash-chicago-inc-20180316-story,amp.html

Chertoff is the ring leader of the Hayden-kristol (aka admiral bill) so why does he want to block Lisa pages extradition?

[Captain Hate]

Can this goof go away now?

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/paul-ryan-security-threat-ex-obama-officials-donald-trunp/2018/07/24/id/873440/?ns_mail_job=DM3967_07242018&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010502wrjnum&ns_mail_uid=e8c830ed-86e3-426d-92fa-32160a4df687

[Jane]

"I wonder if it was sold to an illegal alien. THAT would be so fitting!"

That would be great!

[narciso]

Now firtash is in trouble because he tried to bribe Indian officials, from his base in Austria, but what concern is that of ours?

[Ralph L]

Who or what is firtash?

[Janet 🚬]

((What kind of a lawyer would tape a client?))

Exactly.
& release it to the media!
Americans that don't pay attention to politics AT ALL will think this is underhanded & uber sketchy.
Every old cop show on TV shows attorney-client privilege.

[narciso]

A Russian oligarch who was also in business with manafort, subject of many of Glenn Simpson's stories, Lisa page was in charge of extradition on bribery charges.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://www.uawire.org/news/firtash-spent-almost-800-thousand-on-lobbying-of-his-interests-in-the-united-states

This appears to have been tranaslated from the Ukrainian, so there are some different spellings and odd syntax.

[Kevlar Kid]

The best thing about sin (besides sometimes being fun in the extreme!)is it can be managed each day.

And, so much like the old saw "the good thing about the future is it comes only a single day at one time"--- the same holds true with the opportunity to sin anew or to "re-align" with Truth (intentional capital T signifies aligning with the Great Law of Cause and Effect--- the cosmic IF/THEN).

I receive daily tutelage from a master (the architect of many spiritual solutions found in various 20th century self-help gurus' literature, e.g. Dr. Wayne Dyer) interpreter of Scripture--- Emmet Fox.

[narciso]

So there is a kerfluffle up near pins way about a local attorney kline preston who had Russian toes, well being fluent in the language having published half a dozen books on Russian law, who would you go to, this is why the basiliak is overpriced at a dollar.

[Ralph L]

My step-monster had boxes and boxes of decades of self-help stuff, including Dyer videos. The last was ~$300 of Tony Robbins shit which we couldn't send back.

[Ralph L]

Russian toes
and Roman fingers.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Does this mean Hillary is president now? https://t.co/T44XyKxmAz

— Rita Panahi (@RitaPanahi) July 25, 2018

Heh. Link goes to photos of Trump's destroyed star on Hollywood walk.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

I am very grateful to God to report the doctor thinks my daughter's problems are due to her medications.

[Captain Hate]

Congrats, Miss Marple.

[Old Lurker]

Janet "((What kind of a lawyer would tape a client?))

Exactly.
& release it to the media!"

I still say there is a Breach of Duty civil case there for the drafting.

[DebinGA]

Wonderful news, MM.

[narciso]

Great news miss marple.

[henry]

OL, empty pockets don't make for successful suits. Does Cohen have any assets that aren't siezed / forfeited?

[Captain Hate]

Trump's destroyed star on Hollywood walk.

And people seem to not know why I call that den of shit Whoreyweird. They take his money and then act like spiteful babies when he does somethings they don't like. Every person who patronizes their filth is underwriting this.

[clarice feldman]

Iggy, to my mind you're a great catch--I hope that you find another soulmate whether this gal or another. (You can keep the tuna casserole when it arrives)

[Old Lurker]

Probably not, Henry. But sometimes you just have to make a point. Force him into BK and try to get his Law License from the Ethics Committee.

Unless of course it is all a 4D plant to further the Trump Witch Hunt meme while leaking non-bad crap. In which case send him a Hooker.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Kurt Schlichter comments on the tape:

Kurt Schlichter
‏Verified account @KurtSchlichter
3m3 minutes ago

This is a guy who literally has to pay playmates to make them leave him alone.

As an alpha signal, that's decidedly not subtle.

=================================

Which brings me to this point: All we were told during the Clinton Administration was that it was "all about sex" and none of our business.

So, now that they got everyone used to that idea, suddenly they want to get us all upset about a Playmate.

First of all, IF he had any contact with her, I would say that the looks quality of his paramour is decidedly higher than that of Monica Lewinsky.

Second, they keep thinking that the cartoon image they have of conservatives and evangelicals is how we really are. They think evangelicals and practicing Catholics are like the Church Lady, and at the first hint of sexual immorality we will run away clutching our pearls. The flaw in this is that while President Trump isn't a saint, he will not persecute the Church, unlike the dems wish to do and have already proven with numerous lawsuits.

In addition, they somehow think we are frozen in a Cold War mentality and that shouting "The Russians are Coming!" will make us run around in panic like Carl Reiner did in that old movie.

This is what happens when you live in a bubble. They have cut themselves off from anyone who disagrees with them and they are going to lose because of it.

[Captain Hate]

At the risk of starting a long pointless argument that never addresses my point, how is there any way to regard Paul Manafort's incarceration as anything other than a police state tactic.

[narciso]

No, there is no other way, much like going after judy Miller after they already knew armitage was the source, but Charlie savage finds nothing wrong in that.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Captain Hate,

I don't really see it any other way unless there is a small chance it was done for his protection, but I think that is pretty much negated by the complaints of his attorneys.

Hopefully, this all will come to a head pretty soon and Mueller will be revealed for what he is.

[Beasts of England]

Good morning again!! 😎

Just caught up reading the end of the previous thread. Dang if there weren't quite a few comments that surprised the crap outta me. I'm very impressed by the candor and also that it wasn't at all judgmental.

Having been way down deep in the issue for so many years, but also completely free of that pull (with only one brief relapse) for more than four years, it makes me smile to see such a fraught topic discussed with care.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

The destruction of Trump's Hollywood Star is inspiring some humorous tweets:

Kayla
‏ @VixenRogue
21m21 minutes ago

If you smash Trump’s walk of fame star 3 times while drinking the blood of a snake at midnight, Merrick Garland becomes a Supreme Court Justice. It’s in Declaration of Independence.

[Rocco]

Gus, thank you for that wonderful Lourdes story

And thank you GentleJim for those kind words about my boys

Iggy, a prayer of healing for my Sister CO to the Little Flower, St. Therese.

Good Jesus, Artist of our Souls, we need Your healing touch. Disappointments, disillusionment and betrayals have discolored our soul. We are brokenhearted because we expect so much; we sense the the beautiful portrait of our life has been ruined. We have lost faith in ourselves as Your dwelling place and Your image – as the canvas where You are painting beauty.

We don’t let your inclusive and colorful love define us. We let hurts and anger harden our hearts, and transmit them to others. Our self-pity explodes in self-destructive ways or in violent attitudes, judgments, words and silence toward others. In the heavy emptiness of our hearts, we let power, privilege, prestige and plenty define us and justify our less-than-true selves.

Like St. Therese, help us transcend the heartbreaking disappointments of life and embrace the holy opportunities that are Your grace everywhere. Touch our brokenness, Lord Jesus. Your suffering and death opened You to God and the salvation of all. Transform the sufferings of our broken hearts into a deeper longing for You and a clearer vision of life in faith, with You as the Artist.

We ask You this, through the intercession of St. Therese, who teaches us confidence and trust in Your love.

https://blog.littleflower.org/prayers/healing-prayers/st-therese-and-healing-of-broken-hearts/

The baby's up, gotta run.

[Captain Hate]

Just ignore the MFM liars, Miss Marple. Slick was pictured with porn actresses and there was no pearl clutching. They've shown no interest in the existence of The Energizer and pretend that Slick really really loves Tub Dive. Likewise Epstein Island has no interest to them.

Levin read from the Federalist paper's a couple nights ago about what the left's newest hero, Alexander Hamilton, thought of the press. Let's just say he was opposed to granting those vermin any special rights.

[DebinGA]

They think evangelicals and practicing Catholics are like the Church Lady...

Bizarre, given it's just the opposite - "There but for the grace of God go I"

[narciso]

On another note, this Jason Spencer character may e a jackalope, anybody know him but when dis appearing in that schlemiel Cohen's show become a firing offense.

[henry]

Popular Mechanics
@PopMech

This is big: Underground Lake of Liquid Water Detected on #Mars popm.ch/vvWCzqs

[Stephanie, Nene, Not your Normal Grandma]

Did y'all know that Senator Hatch is dead?

He's been having some fun at google's expense..

Read this twit feed.

https://twitter.com/senorrinhatch/status/1021722075365601280

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Comfortably Smug
‏ @ComfortablySmug
46m46 minutes ago

The Wall should now be 10 feet taller and have Trump walk of fame stars across all 3000 miles of it.

[Kevlar Kid]

"Neither do I condemn thee. Go and sin no more."
-JC

[narciso]

Wow, that is incredible Henry, now if we can only find those alien turbines as in total recall.

[henry]

better link: https://www.wired.com/story/large-body-of-liquid-water-on-mars/

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

DebinGA,

It is bizarre. Another example is how they keep accusing people of being gay, or pointing out gay supporters and mocking them for being so, which makes zero sense. Trump made it plain early on that he simply didn't care about sexual orientation, and his ambassador to Germany is a gay in in a committed relationship.

Suddenly, they are acting like the biggest anti-gay mob imaginable if it's a gay Republican.

They are lunatics.

[Kevlar Kid]

any theories yet about how that lake got there, henry?

[henry]

ice cap not frozen all the way down?

[DebinGA]

Comforting that Popular Mechanics (first issue Jan-1902) is still up and running.

[Kevlar Kid]

CH:

you've commented many times now re the outrage i feel over Paul Manafort and due process.

Manafort's case is utter tyranny.

FISA judges and judges like the one who bought Mueller's arguments to incarcerate Manafort without trial are overt examples of our legal system's default mode of "unequal protection under the law."

continuance of such will make Bacon's Rebellion look like a weenie roast.

my outrage over Manafort would otherwise debilitate me into dithering circles of frustration (that's just me) were it not for having a pressing mission at this time.

that mission only had a chance for success because an entrepreneur was elected President.

onward.

Kev

[narciso]

And it's still fairly sensible compared to popular science or discover, who are in full sky dragon mode eleventy!!

[Extraneus]

Interesting discussion last night and my apologies to maryrose for a comment that could have easily been taken as rude. It wasn't intended that way. I just don't think it's possible to understand the coke-fueled Studio 54 era without having at least some experience with recreational drugs.

[Old Lurker]

Deb "Comforting that Popular Mechanics (first issue Jan-1902) is still up and running."

Had to give up Pop Sci a few years back for going hard left on all matters green but so far Pop Mech is doing better. Not great, but better.

I do have a problem with most mags that seem to have to cater to the short attention span crowd such that every page is cluttered with about ten "story line" all meant to be consumed in small bites.

RSE will explain that our brains are all being rewired.

[clarice feldman]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/25/republican-challenger-pulls-even-with-anti-trump-democrat-in-solid-blue-oregons-governors-race-poll.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Internal+-+Politics+-+Text%29

[Old Lurker]

You beat me to it, Narc.

[Kevlar Kid]

interesting. very interesting, henry.

more will be revealed about everything under the Sun, eh?

news like this invigorates me. reminds me what the Deep State is really up against with their Big Lie... their entire grand scheme of globalist control of everything and everybody.

hallelujah, bitchez.

[James D.]

Suddenly, they are acting like the biggest anti-gay mob imaginable if it's a gay Republican.

They do the same thing with Republican women.

[narciso]

Now scientific American which I haven't read in years, is dense with formula and other data, but it's like incantations from the ministry of fudge,

[hoyden]

In general I see two kinds of prayer: praying for a specific outcome and praying for knowledge of God's will for me and the power to carry it out. I've done both. Lately I've prayed more in the latter mode because I don't always know what's best for me. In hindsight I'm grateful I didn't get all my prayers answered. The challenge I have is to learn how to be happy even when I don't get what I want.

[Kevlar Kid]

that's great news, clarice.

[Beasts of England]

Sounds like the ladies had a fine lunch in Atlanta!! It's great to meet our fellow JOMers in person - highly recommended.

~ ~ ~

And Extraneus is taking delivery of a new Orange amp today? Sweet! Glad you're getting exposed to Gov't Mule - they're the real deal...

[Kevlar Kid]

narciso:

please compare and contrast---

sky dragon mode to eleventy with "the full Costanza."

asking fer an amigo. ;)

Kev

[Porchlight]

They've known about water on Mars for a long time. There are channeled scablands visible from Earth that are the result of massive floods long ago.

A geologist in the 1920s, J Harlen Bretz, was the first to theorize that massive catastrophic flooding caused the creation of the scablands in eastern Washington state.

He was laughed out of the room because the geology establishment at the time absolutely refused to consider catastrophic causes of geological formation (believing that such ideas were only for crazy Bible thumpers). But decades later, he was eventually vindicated (in his lifetime, which must have been satisfying). It's a great story, and this is a fantastic account of it: https://www.amazon.com/Bretzs-Flood-Remarkable-Geologist-Greatest/dp/1570616310

I first became interested in the geology of the area when we were driving down the Columbia last summer after visiting glasater and the Man Trans in Walla Walla, and then found this book and others to look into it further. Totally fascinating.

[narciso]

Total global warming attribution from a national geographic special that predicted hordes of locusts in europe, sciroccos in Vegas and other it's in roland emmerich fare.

[henry]

Porch, apparently a body of liquid water on Mars is new. They've known about some seeps, and the ice at the poles.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://aclj.org/persecuted-church/aclj-american-pastor-andrew-brunson-to-leave-turkish-prison-and-allowed-to-return-to-his-home-in-turkey?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Informational&utm_content=&sf90781164=1

“We have confirmed that the Turkish government has issued an order releasing Pastor Andrew Brunson from prison and allowing him to be returned to his home in Turkey,” said Jay Sekulow, Chief Counsel of the ACLJ. “This is a critical first step that we believe will result in the freedom of Pastor Brunson so he can return to the United States and be reunited with his family. The President has played a critical role in securing the freedom of Pastor Brunson. We have worked closely with the President on this matter and are grateful for his efforts. We look forward to the ultimate release of Pastor Brunson.”

[henry]

statistical, not based on direct mechanisms. But perhaps a reminder to get off the couch more.

The Wall Street Journal @WSJ
4m

Aggressive treatment of high blood pressure may have an added benefit—it could also reduce the risk of memory impairment, a new study found. on.wsj.com/2LDA7pI

[Dave (in MA)]

Jorge Lopez is having his bathroom renovated.

[Stanislaus Loggerhead]

You can't run a LAUNDRY without cash.

[Porchlight]

henry, I don't see how, because the Mars channeled scablands are understood to be the products of massive outburst flooding, probably in the same way the WA scablands were formed, by the sudden draining of massive ancient glacial lakes.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature19817

Maybe a *currently existing* large body of water is what is new. That would make sense.

[narciso]

Well how else did they explain it, just because schiaperelli and Lowell were wrong in the interpretation.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

Guys, here's a product I bet you didn't know you needed - velvet lapels to instantly transform any suit jacket into a tuxedo!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BloCgEsHLUr/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=19nxvchoc3u0x

[Porchlight]

Glacial erosion and glacial runoff, narciso. But it didn't add up, because there simply wasn't enough water (under that theory) to generate the existing evidence.

[narciso]

Well it depends on the scale of time involved one would have to probe beneath the outer layer of mars to figure when it happened, most likely when it had a,thicker atmosphere.

[DebinGA]

Thanks so much Porch and others for book recommendations. The Bretz one sounds especially interesting.

[Dave (in MA)]

MM, I still don't know I need it.

[Miss Marple the Deplorable]

https://spectator.org/future-site-of-the-never-trumpers-museum-peach-bottom-pa/

R. Emmett Tyrell pops in to say the NeverTrumpers should appreciate the President the way the Secret Service does.

[Kevlar Kid]

shirley i know i aint no saint and that i have many obvious flaws and shortcomings. my chikayno homies and i call each other "Ese", which mispronounced is SA, short for our endearment of each other as "Supreme Asshole."

but we try hard. we still pray with good result. guess we don't pray enough for ourselves. but i digress.

Recent hardship: a close friend diagnosed with stage IV colo-rectal cancer.

i prayed. he's now cancer free. my prayer wasn't for a cure or anything of that sort. the situation moved me to pray, as do all conditions.

however, i've been taught to pray in a very specific way no matter what situational condition arises.

i have only one intention: help me stay out of the way and reflect on You-God, your 7 aspects.

Emmet Fox called it the Golden Key. Paw and i are prayer partners now for 12 years since the Chief Prayer Warrior in our family left her body--- Maw.

we asked in prayer how could we pick up the "colors" since she'd passed.

here's a good read on what found us, informed us, taught us to BE with prayer:

https://morningstar.netfirms.com/goldenkey.html

[maryrose]

Ext:
No offense taken.
You are probably right about the understanding part.
I admire the strength of those who have conquered addiction but I wouldn’t call it wisdom.

[Kevlar Kid]

i wonder what lives in that underground lake?

[narciso]

In my Paisan dialect, it's fulano like so and so. I was routing with the notion that a rich half Irish Argentine doctor would have anything in common with Mexican peasant who he despised, he didn't have an easy time with Bolivian tribesmen either.

[henry]

note from our Chitown Lurker:

To answer Kev,

“Krakken, obviously.”

[Porchlight]

narciso, time wasn't sufficient to explain it, according to Bretz.

DebinGA, welcome. I hope you read the book and enjoy it as much as I did. Bretz was a fascinating man - prickly, but completely devoted to his wife and his students, whose company he preferred above all others. Not too surprising, given the reception he got from his so-called colleagues.

He also loved adventure, practical jokes, a good yarn and a good beer-drinking saloon. And he was a wine enthusiast, but I won't spoil the fun surprises on that subject. I'm sure he would be thrilled to see the wine country developing in his treasured eastern Washington.

[Extraneus]

On FedEx vehicle for delivery, Beasts!

[Souffle]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-pushes-25-percent-auto-tariff-as-top-advisers-scramble-to-stop-him/2018/07/25/f7b9af04-8f8a-11e8-8322-b5482bf5e0f5_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cf85a73ada50

Scrambled or poached?

[Kevlar Kid]

"I admire the strength of those who have conquered addiction but I wouldn’t call it wisdom"

hence, maryrose's need for understanding.

if the strength were to have come from me, i'd have been dead at 40, after 5 years of recovery.
as it is i've buried 38 AA fellows who had over 30 years of sobriety and fell to their deaths in year 31, but staggered along zombie-like until they couldn't stand up.

all of them revealed to me as i prepared their burial ceremonies "i don't have the strength to go on."

that's key. the strength comes from God (higher power whatevs).

"Wisdom to know..." IS required. "God- grant me the serenity, to accept the things i cannot change; to change the things i can; and the wisdom to KNOW the difference."

So there's that.

Suggestion: read the Big Book. the stories are timeless accounts of addiction to alcohol.

with proper study and interaction with "us" one can be disabused of unhelpful notions of "self-control", "will power", and other human traits which fail EVERYBODY no matter what degree they engage in "look goods" about the wakes they've left in the lives of innocents entrusted to their care.

alcohol was just one set of blinders we wore. when we sobered up there were zillions more to address which had nothing to do with alcohol, other than drink delayed our efforts to "sin no more."

i have faith that i won't be chided for replying ABOUT maryrose or mischaracterized for speaking up.

can't do anything about the "eyerolls." :D

[Captain Hate]

Ext,

Knowing what little I do about your tastes, I was a bit surprised you didn't know about Government Mule previously. Not that there's anything wrong with it and this is nothing more than me thinking "Welp if I know about 'em, everybody does". Anyway enjoy!

[Kevlar Kid]

Chi-town----> you have won a gold-plated snorkel last used by some unlucky dude last seen at Loch Ness in the 90s!

Now, all you need to win is a ride on Space X. -Kev