We March To War

At a rally in Ohio Trump talked up U.S. Grant, son of Ohio. Chaos ensued!

The CNN transcription:

Here's what Trump told the crowd in Ohio:

"It also gave you a general who was incredible. He drank a little bit too much. You know who I’m talking about right? So Robert E. Lee was a great general. And Abraham Lincoln developed a phobia. He couldn’t beat Robert E. Lee.

He was going crazy. I don’t know if you know this story. But Robert E. Lee was winning battle after battle after battle. And Abraham Lincoln came home, he said, 'I can’t beat Robert E. Lee.' And he had all of his generals, they looked great, they were the top of their class at West Point. They were the greatest people. There’s only one problem — they didn’t know how the hell to win. They didn’t know how to fight. They didn’t know how.

And one day, it was looking really bad. And Lincoln just said, 'You,' hardly knew his name. And they said, 'Don’t take him, he’s got a drinking problem.' And Lincoln said, 'I don’t care what problem he has. You guys aren’t winning.'

And his name was Grant. General Grant. And he went in and he knocked the hell out of everyone. And you know the story. They said to Lincoln, 'You can’t use him anymore, he’s an alcoholic.' And Lincoln said, 'I don’t care if he’s an alcoholic, frankly, give me six or seven more just like him.' He started to win. Grant really did — he had a serious problem, a serious drinking problem, but man was he a good general. And he’s finally being recognized as a great general.

But Lincoln had almost developed a phobia, because he was having a hard time with a true great fighter, a great general Robert E. Lee. But Grant figured it out. And Grant is a great general, and Grant came from right here."

Now, don't call it Fake News but on Twitter NBC News managed to distill that down to this:

WATCH: President Trump says "Robert E. Lee was a great general" during Ohio rally, calling the Confederate leader "incredible."

Trump called Grant incredible, but he could have said the same about this reporting.

The SPLC swooned because Gen. Lee fought for the slave-holding South:

Robert E. Lee was not a great general, President Trump. He waged a war to hold onto the legal institution of white supremacy.

Uh huh. Rommel was not a great general either since he fought for Hitler. Historians need to search their thesauri carefully.

Lots of cross-currents here.

Comments

[Eye Doctor .]

Something everyone should understand about the Mueller appointment

https://youtu.be/-FMm2yqAH4Y

[henry]

Obama is a better general than any of those guys, just ask him.

[Extraneus]

If Trump didn't already have one, the cats couldn't resist giving him a laser pointer.

[Porchlight]

“Rommel, you magnificent bastard. I read your book!”

[Another Bob]

They’re not even trying to tell the truth anymore.

[narciso]

That anecdote was what prompted my comment about Lee, one might think it's an analog about trump even though he's a teetotaler, also it was a third commander to take down jugurthq.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Trump's genius is in knowing his enemies.
He knows they just can't help responding with stuff middle America hates and the progs never let him down.

[Extraneus]

They're scared of Kanye, and will do anything they can to try to counter him, including this most lame of lame attacks.

[Man Tran]

Iggy, when I saw that debate you posted on the last thread from wk/pix, I immediately visualized catsmeat and daddy doing the debating while sipping tea with pinkies extended. :-))

[narciso]

Heck out putative allies can't tell our friends

https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1051115205214855169
Twitter

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

Porchlight,

Those people are lining up in Kentucky on college football saturday when their Wildcats are in the top 25 for the first time in eons. Think that is enthusiasm? So much for a blue wave.

[hrtshpdbox]

In the "we're not the only crazy people on the planet these days" department is news that UK pizzas will have a government-mandated maximum caloric content. No word yet on whether an actual nanny will show up to smack the hand of someone reaching for a second slice.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/11/pizzas-must-shrink-lose-toppings-government-anti-obesity-plan/

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

hrtshpdbox,

What's to keep them from ordering seconds?

Then that will come next, "the no seconds regulation".

[matt - deplore me if you must]

Her Majesty's Pizza Nannies? "Oi! Take those pepperoni slices off right now er I'll have ye in the nick!"

They did an analysis of the sewer water in London not long ago and the mix of drugs was very detectable and contained lots of one and other illegal drugs. That may explain it.

Across the Irish Sea the schoolteachers in the South are too white and too Catholic according to their government.

Nuts.

[narciso]

Now this guy is the real deal

https://amp.dailycaller.com/2018/10/12/disappearance-khashoggi-dissidents-come-to-light?__twitter_impression=true

[Miss Marple]

Abadman,

I thanked you for the tip on the washer at the very end of the last thread, but thank you again!

[Miss Marple]

I see Brennan is now pushing the Khashoggi story and saying that the Crown Prince's close ties to the White House shouldn't stand in the way of a full and forceful US response.

Get that? Unless Trump bombs the Saudis he's supporting murder.

I am now totally convinced that the Saudis did NOT kill him. They aren't stupid.

[Miss Marple]

Pastor Brunson will meet with the President at 2:30.

[Jane]

What the media aren’t telling you about Jamal Khashoggi

https://spectator.us/2018/10/jamal-khashoggi/

Very interesting.

[Momto2]

(From previous thread)

Sorry, but General Lee COMMANDED some of the best generals this nation ever had:

Generals:

Thomas "Stonewall Jackson"

Kev - I discovered through genealogy research that my GGGG (I think it was 4) grandmother was Stonewall Jackson's aunt. He lived with her for a while. She had 11 children and every one had "Jackson" as part of their name - even the girls!

[narciso]

Like that nice fellow who presided over every one of the sepahs operations in the West including Vienna and Buenos aires.

[narciso]

I am reminded of that Colombo episode some weeks back that happened inside a consulate which was Saudi all in name, that was more plausible then this

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

The sewers in Cleoville are missing their favorite rat.

[henry]

When I'm done mowing the lawn, I think I'll start up the fireplace. Then fire up the leaf blower.

[matt - deplore me if you must]

Maybe we should look at the taxes of Tom Steyer and George Soros. Soros is probably the biggest crook in the world and somehow I think that he deducts all of the money he uses to fund his storm troopers.

He probably takes a deduction of $30 per face mask in his charitable contributions.

And you know that Steyer was paying off a whole passel of Indonesian officials in his coal operations.

[Miss Marple]

narciso,

Here is my problem with this story. Right in the middle of all of this stuff going on in DC, and right before the midterms, why would the Saudis, who NEED us, risk doing something so ham-handed and risk the balance of power?

If they had really wanted to off this guy, it shouldn't have been hard to track him down in DC and shoot him in the back of the head like Seth Rich. It would have been easy to explain as a robbery gone wrong.

Why do it at an embassy, with 15 security guys and then chop up the body? This makes no sense. Zero.

The guy who wrote the column earlier that you posted was describing the different ways the Saudis tried to lure him home, but no one grabbed him off the street and I note he is still alive.

[Comanche Voter]

Truth to tell, Robert E. Lee was a very good--but not a great--general. John Keegan, the eminent British military historian said that Robert E.Lee would have been a very competent corps commander among the European generals of the day. He was great at defense--not so much on offense.

Stonewall Jackson came close to greatness, but he had a significant failing as a general. He was very close mouthed--did not tell his subordinates of the details of his plans and strategy until the very last moment--if then. That limited the size of a military unit that he could competently command.

William Tecumseh Sherman was probably the best general of the Civil War--but folks thought he was crazy (in part because he told a newspaper reporter early in the war what it would take to win the war--and the reporter thought that Sherman's view was preposterous). Sherman's estimate of what it would take was ultimately proved correct. Grant saved Sherman.

Grant was a fighter--and a butcher. As a general, he was probably slightly superior to Lee. But the key to Grant was his stubbornness and his willingness to fight as hard as he could with whatever resources he had to hand.

As for CNN and their reporters--they are a bunch of clueless, ignorant shmucks on any number of subjects--including military history.

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

Well, Shurmur's Giants may be this year's version of the Browns but his son Kyle is handing the Gators a drumming so far. Vandy up 21-3.

[Momto2]

Democratic Candidate Stacey Abrams: ‘Undocumented’ Immigrants Are Part of the ‘Blue Wave’

She is the dem's candidate for governor of Georgia.

https://twitter.com/zyntrax/status/1050959868042063872

[Kevlar Kid]

Why'd POTUS say that Ohio gave the folks a great General Grant?

He was a Galena IL born and bred native.

Curious. Not knockin POTUS.

[Kevlar Kid]

Momto2:

how cool a connection is that? Pretty direct. And it's amply documented and discussed in "Rebel Yell: The Violence, Passion and Redemption of Stonewall Jackson" by S.C. Gwynne.

i listened to it via Scribd in May this year.

very cool.

Kev

[Kevlar Kid]

Commanche-

Thanks for the deeper look at Lee and the other generals.

Fav "Uncle Billy" quote: "War is the remedy our enemy has chosen, and i say let us give them all they want."

[Kevlar Kid]

Should the Badgers eat the Wolverine today, does it mean Harbag's season will be over?

[mike in houston]

Question

August 1, 1960
Mr. Dwight D. Eisenhower
White House
Washington, D.C.

Dear Mr. President:

At the Republication Convention I heard you mention that you have the pictures of four (4) great Americans in your office, and that included in these is a picture of Robert E. Lee.

I do not understand how any American can include Robert E. Lee as a person to be emulated, and why the President of the United States of America should do so is certainly beyond me.

The most outstanding thing that Robert E. Lee did, was to devote his best efforts to the destruction of the United States Government, and I am sure that you do not say that a person who tries to destroy our Government is worthy of being held as one of our heroes.

Will you please tell me just why you hold him in such high esteem?

Sincerely yours,

Leon W. Scott

August 9, 1960

Answer

Dear Dr. Scott:

Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.

From deep conviction, I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s calibre would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the Nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.

Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.

Sincerely,

Dwight D. Eisenhower

[Kevlar Kid]

game day fun:

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

KK,

Have no idea where you got your information on Grant's birthplace but he was born in Point Pleasant, Ohio.

[Kevlar Kid]

mike in houston: Bravo! the fundamental premise of the war isn't widely understood. that reply nails it.

[Kevlar Kid]

moar!

[Kevlar Kid]

JiB:

i have no idea why i conflated the Galena IL era with his entire fucking life either. Big whoops on my part.

thanks for pointing out the egregious miscue.

carry on.

Kev

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

When I attended Bearcat U, I visited both Grant's birthplace house in Point Pleasant, and his home in Georgetown, Ohio where his family moved when he was one. River communities, just a little east of Cincy on the river in Brown County.

[henry]

Maybe Kasich gave Grant to Illinois as part of a deal with Durbin to get those sweet (temporary) medicaid expansion bucks.

[Miss Marple]

Tony Perkins is on the plane with Pastor Brunson and his wife, which landed at Andrews about half an hour ago. Saw photos on Twitter.

[Miss Marple]

Saw a clip of Melania's interview where she said that "I don't care, do you?" Jacket was worn for the liberal media, to let them know they could write whatever they wanted but she was just going to ignore them and do what is right.

On a table in the room was the dreaded pith he,met! Hahaha! She is as good at trolling as her husband!

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

Jim Taylor, at 83, joins the angels. RIP. Great Packer.

BTW, go to AOSHQ for last word on "cheese", scroll down to Girl Sandwich.

[narciso]

It doesn't make any sense, and Ali Ahmed is some one they would sincerely want to kill. J

[Beasts of England]

Let's not forget Huntsville's own Rebel Raider: John Hunt Morgan.

And Roll Tide!! 🐘

[Captain Hate]

Willowed

I wouldn't be surprised if McCain was behind the Graham is a homo rumor.

With all due respect that's ridiculous. He's never been married and is never seen with a woman - so that's the basis.

I've never been married and when Amy started working for me all her friends asked her if we were having an affair even tho I'd been dating the same guy for 20 years.

Your typically self serving anecdote doesn't disprove my hypothesis.

[Miss Marple]

Pastor Brunson laid hands on President Trump and prayed that God would give him supernatural wisdom.

All I can say to that is AMEN!

[Jane]

Boy the Pastor has really held up well.

[Jane]

That's true Capt, but unlike you I provide facts. You just show your hate for McCain.

[narciso]

One of the experts neither the times nor the post consulted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Doranimated?p=s

[Eye Doctor .]

I find it humorous that the age old talk about Lindsey Graham being gay is NOW a subject of discussion

[lyle]

show your hate for McCain

Ahem...😎

[narciso]

This reminds me a little of the vanunu affair

https://mobile.twitter.com/sfrantzman/status/1051180446845952006?p=v

[Momto2]

Here is a link to Pastor Brunson praying for President Trump as MM mentioned above:

https://twitter.com/USANEWS007/status/1051186941280931840

[Miss Marple]

Momto2,

Thank you SO MUCH for providing that clip!! I had been trying to find it on Twitter, but no such luck.

Because I don't have cable, I depend on finding clips unless something is live streamed on the Internet.

Thanks again - it was a really beautiful moment.

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

MM,

Is your phone service, your ISP as well? Do they also provide cable?

If so, you can get either Roku, Apple TV or Amazon Fire, and start streaming all your programs.

We are off the History Museum, and then SouthamptonFest in Lake Agawam Park to check out the food trucks.

[Captain Hate]

That's true Capt, but unlike you I provide facts. You just show your hate for McCain.

What facts would those be?

You want facts? Here you go:

1. Graham has been a political squish for a long time.
2. Graham has been rumored to be gay for a long time.
3. McCain dies
4. Graham forcefully supports Kavanaugh
5. Graham says he's not gay.

Maybe it's a spurious correlation but the timeline is what it is.

I hope Catsmeat wasn't watching the Nebraska game.

[Miss Marple]

No, not our ISP.

I am on AT & T but our ISP is a company called Spectrum.

Does anyone know if you can get YouTube through Netflix?

[Pinandpuller]

Pin--- if this thread is still breathing when you return, then you will receive my belated thanks for that Rory Gallagher video. Reminds me of having to re-read Tolstoy W&P in November for an oral final exam in December for all the marbles. It was a "benzedrine Thanksgiving".

Posted by: Kevlar Kid | October 13, 2018 at 11:22 AM

You, me the thread. Whatever it takes.

[Pinandpuller]

Apparently there was a statue of Abraham Lincoln in a black neighborhood in Chicago that was defaced so often they finally took it down.

[Pinandpuller]

Send him a case of Old Crow

[Pinandpuller]

Send all my minions a case. This man, he Copypastas!

[Miss Marple]

Captain Hate,

I thnk we should pay attention to how peopl can change, due to maybe having their spines stiffened and knowing they have a president who will go to the mat for them.

Who would have thought Susan Collins would rise to the level of statesmanship? Who would have thought that Orrin Hatch and Chuck Grassley could shoot out devastating tweets against the democrats? Those guys are in their 80's, too!

Graham was quite a firecracker when he was one of the impeachment managers. I wonder if the Clinton's have been harassing him for the last 10 years. It might explain his alliance with McCain.

My position on this is to accept that people can change for the better, and give them every encouragement to keep moving in the right direction.

By the way, Rand Paul will be at the rally tonight.

[PDinDetroit]

but our ISP is a company called Spectrum

If you have an Internet Service Provider (ISP), the you should be able to go to www.youtube.com in a browser window.

[Janet 🚬]

On FB -

Brandon Straka shared a live video to the group: #WalkAway Campaign.
2 mins ·

Patriots!!! This is super exciting! We are partnering with Right Side Broadcasting for the #WalkAway March on Washington! Right Side is responsible for broadcasting Trump rallies to millions of people! They will be live streaming our March and rally- And they are advertising us today at the Trump rally on their broadcast!

https://www.facebook.com/rightsidebroadcasting/videos/461371587691313/

[maryrose]

My position is that all the good qualities that Susan Collins , Orrin Hatch and Lindsey Graham have shown have always been a part of who they are and what they hope to accomplish.
I do not subscribe to the meme stated here many times that President Trump is behind their behavior or that he provides them with their spine.
The first time they do something people on this blog don’t agree with all the usual complaining will commence.Theimportant thing to remember in my mind is that all of the Republicans with the exception of McCain and Murkowski voted for this Presidrnt’s agenda.
They were Republicans long before President Trump came on the scene and they will continue to be when his two terms end.

[maryrose]

JIB:
What kind of History is featured at the museum you are attending?

[maryrose]

Captain:
Last time I looked Nebraska was ahead.
What happened?

[Porchlight]

It seems pretty obvious that McCain's death has liberated Graham and perhaps others. The entire Senate GOP caucus has displayed newfound life and spine with a few exceptions.

I'm extremely grateful that McCain wasn't around to screw up the Kavanaugh confirmation because I'm sure he would have given it every effort, as would his widow had she been given that seat which thank God she wasn't.

[maryrose]

Janet:
That is great news about the WalkAway movement.

[maryrose]

Grassley has always been a man of principle and a true conservative that I trust.

[Miss Marple]

Maryrose,

Once again you give no credit to President Trump while ascribing facts not in evidence as far as Collins and Graham are concerned. I was even complimentary to them, too!

For at least ten years Lindsey Graham has been following John McCain like some sort of mascot. Everyone on this site knows it, so don't be trying to tell me he has always stood up to the press the way he has the last couple of weeks!

I assume, living in Ohio, that you are unable to recognize leadership due to the abscence of such for 8 years. Let me tell you this: I am unwilling to go back to the old way the GOP has been run, with everyone tip-toeing around in case the press gets angry. After the Kavanaugh hearings, it is obvious they will attack saints as well as sinners, even if they have to make up stories.

The democrats expected that Trump would operate like a Bush type and withdraw the nomination. He did not, and fought through to victory. That is a big deal to a lot of people not only in DC but around the nation.

[Captain Hate]

maryrose,

When I started watching, with about four minutes to go, Nebraska was up by 10. Northwestern had the ball and passed up about a 40 yard field goal attempt on fourth and 10 because the kicker isn't very good. They converted and eventually kicked a field goal of about 15 yards.

So they were down by a touchdown with about two and a half minutes and all three timeouts. Then the Northwestern coach, like a complete idiot, tried an onside kick which Nebraska easily covered. The defense, which the coach didn't trust, held and Nebraska punted to the one yard line with just over two minutes to go.

Then Northwestern drove the length of the field in a not particularly intelligent drive and scored the tying touchdown with 12 seconds to go. Nebraska turned it over in OT and Northwestern won.

[Captain Hate]

Graham was quite a firecracker when he was one of the impeachment managers. I wonder if the Clinton's have been harassing him for the last 10 years. It might explain his alliance with McCain.

That's a good point. For the record, Levin has criticized Graham's performance in the impeachment.

[Miss Marple]

Captain Hate,

Well, I have criticized Levin, and in fact earned his enmity on Free Republic
years ago. Ha!

I suppose Alvin disagreed with som legal strategy or principle. I don't know enough about those things to comment intelligently.

[Miss Marple]

Levin, not Alvin! Good grief!

[henry]

President Hillary well knows how money translates to electoral victory.

Oh. Never mind.

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

maryrose,

Short visit. Bitter cold with a northerly wind.

The Southampton History Museum. Its in the Rogers Mansion. Whaling captain back in the 19th century. Main exhibit is photographs from the Morris Studio collections. Morris was the main photographer in Southampton from 1896 - 2016. Lots of historical photos of the village, the schools, sports teams, the Shinnecock Tribe, etc. Well worth it for me since I still have my baby photos with my Mom that Morris Studio took.

At SouthamptonFest, my friend who owns The Plaza Cafe, had his new food truck. He is the top seafood chef on Long Islan. We had Lobster Mac n'Cheese deepfried in an Egg Roll. Really yummy.

Gators came b

[Columbus, birthplace of James T.]

OK, I'm looking for my Thurber, 'If Grant Had Been Drinking at Appomattox. I have two copies of the Carnival, but I think both are at home.

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

...Gators came back from a 17 pt. deficit to decapitate Vandy. Two backs over 100 yards each. Once they decided they were screwing the pooch, they picked up their game.

[maryrose]

We agree to disagree MM.
Graham was a champion during the Clinton years and impeachment.
Orrin Hatch has always championed conservative causes.
You wish to see President as a savior of everybody and the only one turning things around.I see the motivation and strength of others.
Just because he beat them in the primaries doesn’t mean he is better than them.
He is different is all.
Bottom line is he needs them to make his agenda go.
By putting all your focus on one person handicaps the future because after his 2 terms who takes his place?

[maryrose]

JIB:
My maiden name is Morris.
We have relatives on my dad’s side who lived in Syracuse Mew York and then New York City.
Sounds like a really interesting museum.

[maryrose]

Should be New.
CH:
When I saw Nebraska up by 10 I switched to the Notre Dame game.
I would have loved to see the end of that game.

[Captain Hate]

I suppose Alvin disagreed with som legal strategy or principle. I don't know enough about those things to comment intelligently.

Correct, he said Graham ignored some of the more compelling charges and stressed relatively meaningless ones. Imo it didn't matter because you were never gonna get the circle the wagon donks to turn on Slick and risk dealing with the Arkancide mafia.

Steph's dawgs have dug themselves a hole.

[maryrose]

I always give credit to President Trump for fulfilling his promises.

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

If you don't think the Antifa, terrorizing anarchists aren't begging for a war, you haven't been paying attention.

I don't think Antifa wants anything to do with pissing off The Proud Boys.

https://nypost.com/2018/10/12/republican-club-on-upper-east-side-vandalized/

I once had dinner with a friend in the club. If it had been on the UWS, they would have blown it up.

[maryrose]

Captain:
My sister always reminds me of the party they had at the WH when they knew the Senate wouldn’t convict Clinton.
I remember his words about staying until the very last hour of his presidency.
Just think it had been 18 years since he had any kind of power.

[maryrose]

McConnell prevented Garland from a vote before President Trump won the presidency.

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

maryrose,

Mr. Morris came from Sayville, Long Island, about 45 minutes west of here. He used to bike back to his hometown on a regular basis. My great-grandfather, who was his contemporary, would bike on Sunday's out to Montauk, over 30 miles one way. He and my grandfather were original members of The American Wheelmen. At one time we held the sole franchise rights for Raleigh Bicycles.

The Museum is where I had my exhibit in 2008. If you click on my LUN, it will take you to my Museum website and there is a full page of the exhibit.

[maryrose]

Will see Mike DeWine, Republican candidate for governor tomorrow at a Pancake breakfast.
Last Thursday I attended a meeting of the Westshore Republican club in support of our candidate for President of Cleveland city council.

[jimmyk on iPhone]

“By putting all your focus on one person handicaps the future because after his 2 terms who takes his place?”

It’s not putting the focus on one person, it’s on one strategy, fighting, which Trump exemplifies, and others like Romney, who raised the white flag, and McCain, who would fight against fellow Republicans more than for them, do not.

[Miss Marple]

marryrose
,

Did you miss the part where I said Graham had been a firecracker during impeachment?

This is what I mean about you ignoring the positive things I say about Republicans other than President Trump.

As far as my concentrating on President Trump and not thinking about what will happen after he leaves office, I hope his strategies and willingness to ignore the press and lobbyists sets an example for those who follow. We need more people like President Trump, not a move back to the old ways.

[maryrose]

Jimmyk:
No one knows at this juncture how Romney will behave as a senator should he win in Itsh.
We have to wait and see.
Recent speculation is that Obama and company spied on the Romney campaign in 2012.Also there was voter fraud in Florida.
Yes Trump fights.
But others do as well.
Meadows, Nunes and Jordan as well as Scalise come to mind.

[Captain Hate]

maryrose,

I would've gladly volunteered to evict those grifters.

[maryrose]

MM:
You said that after CaptainHate’s comment about it.

[Extraneus]

McConnell prevented Garland from a vote before President Trump won the presidency.

I agree this was huge, but I also think it's Trump who's stiffening their spines. Teaching them how to win, as it were.

[maryrose]

There are plenty of people like President Trump.
I just believe they are that way on their own without his help.
He sets a good example but they are their own person.

[Extraneus]

If the Rs gain 5 or 6 seats, I think Romney will fall in line and be solid. If it's 51-49 or close, he'll be a wildcard.

[maryrose]

Ext:
Totally disagree.
These people are individuals who know how to get things done with or without him.
He sets a good example.He like Reagan is an actor and entrepreneur.
This is a definite advantage in front of large groups.
He is comfortable in his own skin.