We March To War

At a rally in Ohio Trump talked up U.S. Grant, son of Ohio. Chaos ensued!

The CNN transcription:

Here's what Trump told the crowd in Ohio:

"It also gave you a general who was incredible. He drank a little bit too much. You know who I’m talking about right? So Robert E. Lee was a great general. And Abraham Lincoln developed a phobia. He couldn’t beat Robert E. Lee.

He was going crazy. I don’t know if you know this story. But Robert E. Lee was winning battle after battle after battle. And Abraham Lincoln came home, he said, 'I can’t beat Robert E. Lee.' And he had all of his generals, they looked great, they were the top of their class at West Point. They were the greatest people. There’s only one problem — they didn’t know how the hell to win. They didn’t know how to fight. They didn’t know how.

And one day, it was looking really bad. And Lincoln just said, 'You,' hardly knew his name. And they said, 'Don’t take him, he’s got a drinking problem.' And Lincoln said, 'I don’t care what problem he has. You guys aren’t winning.'

And his name was Grant. General Grant. And he went in and he knocked the hell out of everyone. And you know the story. They said to Lincoln, 'You can’t use him anymore, he’s an alcoholic.' And Lincoln said, 'I don’t care if he’s an alcoholic, frankly, give me six or seven more just like him.' He started to win. Grant really did — he had a serious problem, a serious drinking problem, but man was he a good general. And he’s finally being recognized as a great general.

But Lincoln had almost developed a phobia, because he was having a hard time with a true great fighter, a great general Robert E. Lee. But Grant figured it out. And Grant is a great general, and Grant came from right here."

Now, don't call it Fake News but on Twitter NBC News managed to distill that down to this:

WATCH: President Trump says "Robert E. Lee was a great general" during Ohio rally, calling the Confederate leader "incredible."

Trump called Grant incredible, but he could have said the same about this reporting.

The SPLC swooned because Gen. Lee fought for the slave-holding South:

Robert E. Lee was not a great general, President Trump. He waged a war to hold onto the legal institution of white supremacy.

Uh huh. Rommel was not a great general either since he fought for Hitler. Historians need to search their thesauri carefully.

Lots of cross-currents here.

Comments

[Jack is Back!]

pagar, is Trump's speech writer.

[Extraneus]

He's afraid that Kentucky is winning too much.

"McConnell and Rand will come to the oval office to say, Mr. President, we can't take all this winning."

Heh

[Kevlar Kid]

Is Hillary's liver the size of a canoe yet?

[Captain Hate]

henry, I hope you can find it because Ahia was almost a month after the rest of the world getting it because one of Katshit's apparatchiks didn't get his pocket greased enough and rejected the labels.

Not bad, Cha.

[Kevlar Kid]

These rallies are a lot of fun.

I never saw any appearance by The Bath House Rat which gave any semblance of being fun.

He had those appearances where he was in shirtsleeves talking in what was supposed to be a folky, suthin accent or something. And the 40 seals in attendance would start to yammer and he'd say "Hold on now...." and then he'd condescend to the opposition he was mischaracterizing.

Pizza chip.

[Pinandpuller]

Kev

My dad saw an elaborately painted tailgate in Phoenix that said,"Jello Chebby Peekup." Indeed it was.

Actually, my grandpa had a Bronco with some crazy murals painted on it and Mexicans used to come up and make offers all of the time.

[henry]

CH, the beer store in Wind Lake will have it... Or else I run to Pewaukee at lunchtime Monday. Lots of good beer stores in WI.

[Kevlar Kid]

Paul Ryan couldn't take all the winning and bailed. Just when the gettin was good too.

[Kevlar Kid]

no mistakin that Chebby for a Chort.

[henry]

Kev, His former aide is who I'm stuck voting for... Steil, a total weasel.

[Kevlar Kid]

Oregano beat Washington. Wash will drop out of the Top 10.

West Va at #6 needs to beat Iowa State or else they're out too.

[Kevlar Kid]

what're you doin for him, henry?

[Extraneus]

They have to kill this guy. I guarantee there are a lot of people thinking about how to do it.

[GUS]

Ho Don now!! Uh uh uh uh their going to tell you that that we don't have uh errr uh uh uh hope.
Uh uh uh uh uh uh, I am the UH UH UH PEOPLE you've been uh uh uh uh wait INN for. Uh uh Okie Doke.

Almost as bad as Slutstine Ballsy Fraud.

"Uh then I saw Brett Kaepernick at band camp!"

[henry]

Space Force FTW.

[Extraneus]

Taking credit for opening the embassy in Jerusalem.

[HUGE applause]

[Pinandpuller]

Kev

You need to write for TV. You have all the best alternate cuss words.

[Captain Hate]

henry, it is very sweet. I had complained that I couldn't taste the maple in their CBS but that is not the case here. I'll age the remaining three to hopefully get it more balanced.

[Ralph L]

my GGGG (I think it was 4) grandmother was Stonewall Jackson's aunt.
My GGG aunt was his second MIL. Three of her daughters married CSA generals. Her plantation is under Lake Norman north of Charlotte.

[henry]

For Steil? Nada. He'll beat Iron Stashe. Walker and Vukmir are my focus this time.

[Extraneus]

Wow, what he's saying right now is powerful.

[henry]

Thanks CH. Sweet is not my favorite thing... on my home brews another month at room temp fixes that.

[rich]

Posted by: Kevlar Kid | October 13, 2018 at 08:16 PM

they're down 20-7 middle of the second quarter.

[narciso]

Now there is another incident that the protagonist is involved in, curiously also happens in Aegean, his team was sent to take a Greek gangster who has enabled a network of moles in American intelligence.

[Sue]

WatchingvThe Patriot on a wet rainy day in East Ste as. I know it’s corny but when you realize how much they ragtag army sacrificed to give us the United States of America, I can’t help but stand up and cheer when Mel Gibson rides back up with the flag ready to finish the fight.

[Extraneus]

MAGA!

[Sue]

Proofread? Nah. Hopefully y’all get the idea! USA USA

[Kevlar Kid]

I love that flick, Sue. Heath Ledger plays a great character..... lotta young boys fought and died. story of our country. when Levon was in elementary school he watched all or part of it several times a month...same with Gladiator and Boondock Saints LOL

[Extraneus]

I forgot what it was about at 8:24 but it was an American feeling and devastating to the Dems.

Anyone remember?

[Kevlar Kid]

rich--
i have iowa state by 11.

[Kevlar Kid]

puckin' A, Pin. mebbe i shood.

[Jack is Back!]

The guy is on fire. And he does it 2, 3, 4 times a week. Energy not seen in the WH before. He is going to make a difference in November.

Blue Wave my ass.

[Kevlar Kid]

oh, i misread henry. read "working" instead of "voting." ;) not wearin specs today.

[GUS]

Henry, the mega store TOTAL WINE and MORE on Bluemound and Calhoun will have what you need. It's just a little more than a mile from your office.

[Kevlar Kid]

Pin-
thanked you this morning for that Rory Gallagher link you posted late last night.

dude was the real deal.

[Kevlar Kid]

GUS--- you do a good Rat impersonation.

[Sue]

My husband knows what movie I’m watching when he hears me yell “hold the line”.

[Pinandpuller]

Link Wray-Rumble

https://youtu.be/fHEmDLQKrrk

[Momto2]

my GGGG (I think it was 4) grandmother was Stonewall Jackson's aunt.
My GGG aunt was his second MIL

Gee, Ralph, we're practically related (by marriage anyway!) Would you believe my town still has a Stonewall Ave. (Shhhh...I'm sure if Stacy Abrams wins the governor's mansion and hears about it - she will rip that sign down - right after she blasts his face off of Stone Mountain!)

[henry]

Gus, I drive by Bluemound & Calhoun a lot... Somehow I missed Total Wine. SMH.

[Kevlar Kid]

One moar time:

Okey Doke

[Kevlar Kid]

No worries about Abrams, Momto2. She seems headed for a diabetic coma in the very near future.

[Kevlar Kid]

"aim small. small miss small."

[daddy]

Reminds me a bit of the Roman General Fabius Maximus from Livy's accounts of the Wars against Hannibal. His brilliant insight was that he recognized that he personally was not a good enough General to defeat Hannibal, but he realized that he could ultimately defeat Hannibal by holding the high ground and outlasting Hannibal in a war of attrition. He was voted out of control of the Army by the hot-heads, who then went after Hannibal at the great Battle of Cannae where the Roman's lost 80,000 troops in an unbelievable defeat and only just escaped losing the city by Hannibal's resting his exhausted troops and not marching immediately to take Rome and win the War.

Fabius came back into power, continued his war of attrition and Rome eventually produced a General who was a great enough general to take on Hannibal and Defeat him---Scipio Africanus.

I believe Fabius Maximus won the honorific "Father of His Country" for his ability as a farsighted General in keeping Rome from losing the War. I think my memory is dependably accurate on what I've mentioned above, and probably every General in the Civil War who was a grad of West Point would have known the lesson of Fabius Maximus from their military studies, even if nobody in the mainstream media knows a single clue about any of it.

Time to make another recommendation to read Grant's Memoir's if you haven't already. A great read.

[Pinandpuller]

This guy uses an interesting term for The Civil War: Autogenocide. He compares Lincoln to Pol Pot.

https://youtu.be/Dn_UM9ZcOV4

[Kevlar Kid]

Which version, daddy--- the complete annotated or...civil war memoirs?

[Pinandpuller]

Whoa, Lincoln was the original Illinois Bathhouse Rat? Interesting if true. All we need is an allegation.

[Pinandpuller]

It all fits now. Lincoln was a congressman who liked to wrestle.

[narciso]

Interesting is one way to put It, pieceznik is one of those curious artefacts that state department churns up, he's a shrink and a diplomat, so he's crazy in more than one way.

[Pinandpuller]

Kev

I brought your undocumented thank you over to this thread earlier. Muy amable.

[Miss Marple]

Didn't Mitch McConnell look happy.? And didn't he say he was PROUD of the President?

Leadership. Exceptional leadership and getting both Rand Paul and McConnell there was a great statement.

Sorry I didn't comment during the rally. I was afraid I would lose my link to my feed.

[narciso]

The section in question:

http://www.johndclare.net/AncientHistory/Hannibal_Sources5.html

[Goodmornrvn]

The Libs should be referred to as the "No Nothing Party" Dwight D. Eisenhower in Defense of Robert E. Lee http://www.civilwarprofiles.com/dwight-d-eisenhower-in-defense-of-robert-e-lee/

[narciso]

See the question that should come readily to mind, from any fair minded figure is why wasn't this audio uploaded to Wikileaks or failing that the intercept, the actual tape not some third hand account.

[JimNorCal]

Ext's quote at
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2018/10/we-march-to-war.html?cid=6a00d83451b2aa69e2022ad3728db8200c#comment-6a00d83451b2aa69e2022ad3728db8200c

Is really funny! But it reminds me that Trump has ears to the ground on issues discussed by the base. I don't get that from all Repub politicos but Trump knows what we're talking about.

[Rocco]

The Patriot might be my favorite movie. And Gibsons character reminds me of my favorite hero.

The call echoed around Acton and the minutemen rushed to Davis’s yard, where they made bullets and prepared for a battle that some, making jokes about finally ‘getting a hit at old [General Thomas] Gage,’ relished. Davis rebuked his men, reminding them that the day had brought ‘a most eventful crisis for the colonies. Blood would be spilt, that was certain; the crimson fountain would be opened; none could tell when it would close, nor with whose blood it would overflow. Let every man gird himself for battle and be not afraid, for God is on our side.’

As certain as Davis was about the righteousness of their cause, he was equally pessimistic about his own chances for survival. Several days before that fateful dawn, he and his wife had returned home from an excursion to discover that a large owl, a symbol of death, had flown into the house and perched on Davis’s favorite gun, which hung over the mantel. No one was allowed to disturb the brooding presence, which stayed for days and was interpreted by the captain as an omen that, if the struggle became a full-pitched battle, he would not survive.

He was the first officer killed in the Revolutionary War.

http://www.historynet.com/american-revolutionary-war-minuteman-isaac-davis-was-shot-during-the-battle-of-concord.htm

[Jack is Back!]

Hey! Our friend Scorpio Africanus defeated Hannibal at the battle of Zama.

Of course, I found the bust of Scorpio in the Mills House in Charleston, in an alcove off the lobby. DoT told me about it. But they moved it from the bar to the alcove.

[lyle]

Spectacular fall color in Sun Valley. Now a snow storm is blowing. Whiteout to our east. Life at 6000 ft.

[Jack is Back!]

In case you old timers are interested DoT is not mobile. Can't do too much. Keep him in your prayers.

[Pinandpuller]

Fingerl-Flitzer-Manner ohne Bauch

https://youtu.be/OCbdR0QV2ow

[narciso]

So sorry to hear That,

Odd how there has been no major film treatment of the carthaginian campaign

[JimNorCal]

Sad to hear that about DoT.
Love love love his blog name.

[Threadkiller]

Praying for Danube. I'm sorry to hear that news, JiB.

[lyle]

Very sorry to hear about DoT, Jack. Seemed like a class act.

[Neo]

After Taylor Swift Endorsement, Tennessee Democrat Bredesen Sees 14 Point Drop in Polls

Maybe they will leave her alone in the future

[caro]

Thanks, JiB, but that is sad news.

[Captain Hate]

I figured DoT wasn't doing well. Best wishes of course.

[lyle]

15 yo prepubescent humor alert: the Iowa State FG kicker’s last name is...Assalley.

[Buckeye]

Of course, I found the bust of Scorpio in the Mills House in Charleston, in an alcove off the lobby. DoT told me about it. But they moved it from the bar to the alcove.

Mrs. Buckeye and I spent part of our honeymoon at the Mills House.

They went out of their way to it a delightful experience.

[Catsmeat]

Hi, everybody--have been in St. Pete at a Victorian Studies conference AND visiting my folks and thus have missed a lot--so just caught up--

Prayers for DoT, first--

ManTran, I don't know about daddy, but I don't do the upraised pinkie thing no matter what I'm drinking!

Steph's prank on her MIL scared the shit out of me.

CH, your precis of the Nebraska game made me groan, think about things, and then groan again. Tomorrow I'll return to the home front and possibly snow where there will be no joy in Mudville (Nebraska thus far 0-5--just awful).

[Bubarooni]

I'm throwing George Henry Thomas in as the best Civil War general. I think he was the first 'modern' general in his understanding of the importance of railroads, the telegraph and logistics in general. He was literally high tech for his age. I'll admit he was a bit to methodical and thus not as fast as he coulda been. A bit like Monty in WWII.

[jimmyk on iPhone]

I’ve been reading Chernow’s bio of Grant. Not far enough in to judge it, but he does a bit too much 20-20 hindsight stuff, where he’ll say of some event from when he was in his teens or twenties, “From this he must have learned....” I don’t care for all that diagramming. Still enjoying it, though. The story of why he wrote those memoirs is quite poignant.

[daddy]

Kev,

Probably this one: Personal Memoirs of Ulysses S.Grant (Penguin Classics)

Momma years back had given me an old 2 volume set for Christmas of his memoirs
but they were too fragile and heavy to haul around in my book bag so I just opted for whatever paperback edition the Library had which I think was that penguin Classics one:

Mark Twain had this to say about them when they appeared: "The best [memoirs] of any general's since Caesar," but since Twain was instrumental in getting them published that comment tho' probably true, is a bit self serving.

[Jack is Back!]

If Wisconsin can't stopn the Michigan running attack, it is goning to be a long evening.

[Buckeye]

KK and Pin,

Saw Rory Gallagher live in early 70s. He definitely was the real deal.

[Pinandpuller]

Anybody know anything about The Soldier's Home aka Lincoln's retreat outside Washington? Get away, not run away.

[Jack is Back!]

off to bed. pray for our great friend DoT.

Slaap lekker, tot morgen.

[jimmyk on iPhone]

Really the other way around, daddy. Twain got the publishing rights, and paid a lot, because he thought so highly of them. And Grant needed the money.

[Captain Hate]

Speaking of Lincoln, my book group is reading Lincoln in the Bardo by George Saunders, (bardo is a Tibetan Buddhism term for a state of existence between death and afterlife, varying in duration according to the person's conduct in life and manner of, and age at, death; a Christian semi equivalent is purgatory) a fictional account of the death of Lincoln's young son Willy, who was apparently Abe's fave, of something which not even modern antibiotics would resolve quickly. Lincoln apparently would visit the mausoleum at night in grief and hug the deceased body. Most of the narrative occurs in the bardo among souls in transition and what Abe does causes a major disruption in what passes for business as usual; they can see him but can't interact with him.

It's a very unusual narrative (made up, in the "real world", of fictional excerpts from nonexistent books) that somehow works very effectively (one member of the group, who usually throws books that go through time shifts against the wall, is enjoying it). I haven't read enough to give it an unqualified recommendation but the author is very good at what he does.

[henry]

Prayers for DoT. A fine gentleman.

[Neo]

But it turns out that even the World Socialists think identity politics “scholarship” is crap.

[Janet 🚬]

((Anyone remember?))

Lift more citizens from welfare to work
dependence to independence
& from poverty to prosperity

To continue this movement you need to vote Republican

for years you watched as your leaders apologized for America, now you have a President that is standing up for America

A vote for a Republican Congress is a vote for more jobs, more wealth, & more products made right here in the good ol' U.S.A..
It's a vote to respect our laws & respect the heroes of law enforcement....

A vote for Republicans is a vote to reject the Democrats politics of hatred, anger & division & to celebrate the greatness & the glory of being an American.

It is not up to the media, it is not up to the pundits, it's up to YOU to decide your own fate. You have the power with your vote to defend your families,defend your country, defend your values, your faith, & to defend your dignity.

Loyal citizens like you helped build this country & together we are taking back our county. Returning power to the American people.

[Bubarooni]

I always enjoyed DoT's contributions here. Sad to hear about his current state. I'll be sure to mention him when I'm talking with the Big Man at church in the morning. He'll know who I'm talking about.

[Pinandpuller]

I think I already flogged the Union Commie officers late of European Marxist Revolution horse to death but there you go.

[Captain Hate]

(Nebraska thus far 0-5--just awful).

Catsmeat, I hate to pile on but I think it's 0-6 for the first time in the history of the program. If it makes you feel any better, Nebraska has been a world class ass kicker since I started paying attention to kollidge ball almost 60 years ago, so welcome to a brief glimpse of what most of us consider standard Hell.

On a brighter note the Harry Crews book came in today and I'll voraciously consume that shortly (so did the book Porch recommended but I'll dispatch with the Crews first).

[rich]

very sorry to hear that about DoT. prayers to him and his family.

[daddy]

my GGGG (I think it was 4) grandmother was Stonewall Jackson's aunt.

My GGG aunt was his second MIL.

Well I went to Stonewall Jackson Elementary School and then went to General George S Patton Jr Junior High School.

Who can top that?

[Janet 🚬]

Next MAGA Rallies:
Missoula, MT
Thu, October 18, 2018
06:30 pm (MST)

Mesa, AZ
Fri, October 19, 2018
07:00 pm (MST)

Elko, NV
Sat, October 20, 2018
11:00 am (PST)

ticket info here - https://www.donaldjtrump.com/rallies/?utm_medium=web&utm_source=djt_web&utm_content=main_menu

[The Infamous Ignatz]

Hope Danube has made peace with his maker.
Was always the most thoughtful and kind guy when I emailed him.
Drove me nuts a few times but I'm sure I did the same for him.
Cancer, after a good portion of humanity, is the goddamndest thing in this miserable world.

[Catsmeat]

Oh, 0-6. Sigh. Thank you (sort of) for the correction CH. You will have fun with Crews's book!

At my Victorian conference people were saying seriously that Republicans caused Hurricane Michael. They also discussed the Irish Potato Famine as an entirely colonialist tragedy, as if the Brits implanted the potato virus much as the bad Americans gave disease-laden blankets to Native Americans (they didn't; it's a lie). So I will be glad to be home tomorrow...

Nytol...

[Pinandpuller]

Les Paul-Check

Marshal Stack-Check

Glass Slide-Check

Clutch-

[Pinandpuller]

Clutch-Electric Worry

https://youtu.be/s4ABpbxIPFI

[rich]

Verlander is melting down in the 5th ... bases loaded, one out for the wicked Red Sox.

[rich]

ouch just walked in a run ...

[Captain Hate]

Gus,

I know your brother works for the Secret Service or some associated branch of state security, and maybe what I'd like to ask is completely classified which he can't tell you so I'll just address it this way: I assume DJT has had his own private security before and during his campaign and that there's some agreement between his own muscle and the state's to coordinate and maximize effectiveness. Trump has to be a marked man after Hodgkinson, Rand Paul and assorted Antifa type nutjobs. He is *the* biggest danger to the Swamp and those dickweeds won't go quietly. The security has to be a model of efficiency considering how many rallies he has.

Someone mentioned about the Bathhouse Rat forever meeting with his donors. The beauty of DJT is there are no donors and he doesn't owe anyone a fucking thing.

[anonamom]

Lincoln in the Bardo is a good read. Pretty much everybody from my 18 year old nephew to my 85 year old mother and everyone in between read it this past year. No negative reviews.

Love to DoT, JiB.

[The Infamous Ignatz]

I'm confused. If Trump can summon hurricanes and strengthen them as he sees fit what chance do the poor progs think they stand?
Reminds me of this scene;
Norf wind bwoe, souf wind bwoe, typhoons, hurricanes...SMOG!

[daddy]

Really the other way around, daddy. Twain got the publishing rights, and paid a lot, because he thought so highly of them. And Grant needed the money.

Thanks for the correction, JimmyK. I recalled Twain was involved but not how he became involved. I recall Twain being there with him almost to the end as Grant dies of throat cancer.

[anonamom]

I can top that daddy:

St. Luke's, Queen of the Miraculous Medal, and Lumen Christi.
A saint, Mary, and Jesus trump those military guys. ;-)

Ig, OL is making his move north to south this week, IIRC.

[Sue]

Rocco,

Thanks for sharing that.

I’m so sad about DoT. Such a fascinating life he had. He will always have a special place in my heart. Like Bad and Peter.