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November 13, 2018

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Kevlar Kid

FIRST

Kevlar Kid

After a near year drought :D

Kevlar Kid

And it's the trifecta

Porchlight

Crenshaw is a class act and a funny guy. That was actually a pretty nice little sketch from SNL. After the funny parts, Crenshaw talked about thanking veterans, and said that "Never Forget" was also appropriate to use when thanking them. And then he reminded the audience that Pete Davidson's dad died in the 9/11 attacks.

Well done all around.

SNL is still poison though.

Kevlar Kid

I'll exit the planet a little happier in the wake of a GOP youth movement inspired by Trump.

Let's end this virtuous mamby pamby Romneyesque wholesomeness which makes GOPers too easy the targets for Democrat Alinskyites "make them live up to their own standards potshotting."

i think it's time for rough hands and steel toe boots under the cuffs in DC.

Kevlar Kid

Published today:

WELCOME TO THE BANANA REPUBLIC OF FLORIDA

Kevlar Kid

Hey MM and daddy, you archae buffs. Here's one fer yooz:

"I'm an archaeologist and my life is in ruins."

Comanche Voter

Well I'd actually place that steel toed boot a little lower than the "cuffs".

The Infamous Ignatz

Grrr, from last thread;
For jimnj later;

In Latest Shock To Beijing, Chinese Credit Growth Is Lowest On Record.

Kevlar Kid

Is the Chinese communist credit growth rubber band at maximum stretch?

Kevlar Kid

Spell it out fer me, Commanche :D

Kevlar Kid

i should leave town mo offen. Mrs Kid axed me out on another dinner date.

how much can one man take? :D

DCSCA

Good thing he wasn't captured. We know how Fearless Leader feels about Republican POWs.

henry

I suspect Stone and Corsi are trying to stay relevant and none of the 4 listed are in peril from Mueller. Ignored is the best medicine for those two snake oil peddlers.

Tom R

Ext @ 5:36 repost from end of last thread

Good article. First time I've read any article that pointed out after Judge Ellis saw the unredacted 2 August memo redefining the scope of the Mueller SC, he reversed his opinion and sided with Mueller against Manafort.

Judge Ellis:

“The record makes clear that the Acting Attorney General [Rosenstein] has required the Special Counsel to consult with the Acting Attorney General before investigating matters that might fall under the May 17 Appointment Order. Specifically, the August 2 Scope Memorandum identifies specific factual matters to be investigated by the Special Counsel.

“Notably, the August 2 Scope Memorandum limits the Special Counsel’s ability to investigate “additional matters that otherwise may have arisen or may arise directly from the Investigation” by requiring the Special Counsel to “consult [the Acting Attorney General] for a determination of whether such matters should be within the scope of [the special counsel’s] authority.

“The Acting Attorney General has required the Special Counsel to follow the procedures for gaining additional jurisdiction should the Special Counsel wish to exercise the authority set out in [the May 17 Appointment Order].”

If this is the case then that seems to indicate Mueller had to get permission from Rosenstein to investigate Roger Stone and Jerome Corsi. Is that how everyone else interprets it?

BTW how do you interpret Carlson's very last sentence?

daddy

"I'm an archaeologist and my life is in ruins."

Kev,

I liked this quote from Agatha Christie, who happened to be married to an archeologist who cut his teeth helping Woolley excavate Ur.

An archaeologist is the best husband a woman can have. The older she gets the more interested he is in her.

Tom R

I suspect Stone and Corsi are trying to stay relevant and none of the 4 listed are in peril from Mueller.

If those two plus Don Jr and Kushner are not in peril from Mueller, then what exactly do you think Mueller is doing?

For the past few weeks those four names have been the only rumors surrounding the supposed direction of the Mueller SC. There were reports in the leftwing media that we could be seeing indictments against Stone and Corsi as early as today. If none of them are in peril of indictment, do you think the rumors surrounding them over the past few weeks were a ruse/distraction?

Catsmeat

jimnj, I really appreciate the book suggestions--will get going on them! I bet others made use of your suggestions too. Of course, what I really want is someone with Le Carre's erudition but not his borderline treason. But then I also want to discover a Sayers or Innes novel that has lain in an attic somewhere--

OL (re the dream of a magical Horowitz):

“We’re off to see the Witz-itz!
The Wonderful Horo of Witz!
We hear he is
the most wonderful Witz
That ever a Witz there was!
If ever a wonderful Witz there was
The Witz-itz of Oz is one because...
Because of the wonderful things he does!
The Wonderful Horo of Witz!

Utterly revolted, henry, by the “Personal Librarian” idea for freshmen at Yale. Really. And that child’s major. Very sad.

Gentlejim

KK,
Your avatar pic is awesome.

clarice

I interpret Carlson's last line as ether..and the essay nothing new and a waste of time for anyone here who's paid attention.

Extraneus

Horo of Witz!

lol

clarice

I'm with you on the Corsi, et al rumors, Henry.

The Infamous Ignatz

Mirengoff;
Why Sinema?
My theory is she is a fairly attractive blonde to enough guys that she made it over the hump. :)

henry

TomR, pure self promotion by Stone and Corsi.

daddy

Are they looking for cat meat?

daddy

Live shots of Ms Snipe during the recount on whatever channel I am watching and boy does she look smug and self-satisfied.

Tom R

Henry,

If you are correct, does that indicate Stone and Corsi have fooled CBS News into believing their self promotion?

https://www.bloombergquint.com/uselections/new-mueller-indictments-expected-as-soon-as-tuesday-cbs-reports

You may be 100% correct about Stone and Corsi. That makes me even more curious to know what exactly has Mueller been doing for the past several weeks.

henry

Arthur Kimes:

Surprise! "Man" Who Insulted Tucker Carlson's
Daughter as a "Whore" and a "C**t" Is...

On the Board of Directors of the "Women's Initiative"
ace.mu.nu/archives/37809…

Catsmeat

They love them some hot dog bits (which disguise the elderly maiden aunt-dogs' daily medicine. That is Bianca, collie, 13 years, and Nellie ("Little Nell), corgi, also 13 years. Best dogs and consummate sillies.

lyle

Anyone ordered their Trumpy Bear, yet? 😉

henry

Tom R, snake oil salesmen know a mark at 1000 yards, ergo CBS. (Birthers before that).

I assume Mueller is writing up his “They made me special prosecutor and all I got was this lousy ostrich skin coat from Manafort” report.

daddy

Just caught up to this link earlier from Miss M:

New: Joseph Mifsud, the professor at the heart of the Trump-Russia probe, wants to testify before the Senate, his lawyer claims. Mifsud has not been seen in public since Nov 2017.

If we consider this as true, who will try to stop him from testifying---the Dems or the Reps?

henry

Daddy, who would believe a single word out of Mifsud’s mouth?

Extraneus

It's not necessarily just about trannies, they also want plus-size "women" in the Victoria Secret show.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/378096.php

Extraneus

I'd love to see Misfud's testimony. No way he can claim to have classified info, so it would have to be public, right?

henry

Illinois going for “exit tax.” Any Illini out there... RUN NOW!!!

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-13/progressives-zero-exit-tax-illinois-wealth

pagar, a bacon, ham and sausage supporter

"does she look smug and self-satisfied"

If what we were told was her retired pay plus a salary much higher than the governor plus being able to single handily turn the state over to the Democrat by counting the illegal votes, she probably does look/feel smug and self-satisfied, IMO.

rse

So the large metro county where steph lives is having a hearing on the provisional ballots and there are handmade signs being held up that read "Dear White People, Do Not Fear Diversity."

We are running off the rails here with how this is being played. I was also listening to the lawyers and campaign manager talk after this afternoon's hearing and they keep blaming problems on the sec of state's poor records when it is the counties that create those records.

It's about the narrative and being able to call it the stolen election to drive 2020 turnout.

Captain Hate

David French describes a bit of hope for a better tomorrow in our political sphere

And still takes unwarranted shots at the President.

Extraneus

Hillary Clinton Sends Fundraising Email to Support Bill Nelson’s Recount Team

We need to make sure that Senator Nelson’s team has everything they need for this process, and we cannot waste a moment. Make a donation to the DSCC’s voter protection efforts while they work to make sure every vote is counted.

Etc. Still trying to stay relevant.

(Click to open pic.)

jimmyk on iPhone

“Are you implying that because Trump didn't name Rosenstein Acting AG and took control of the Mueller SC away from him that is sign Trump doesn't consider Rosenstein a trusted ally?”

Yes.

“If that is the case then why hasn't Rosenstein been fired yet?”

It was sufficient to get him off the Russia case. You haven’t answered my question.

Extraneus

"Dear White People, Do Not Fear Diversity."

I don't think they understand how that might be taken by certain white people. It almost enrages me, just to throw out one person's reaction.

Jack is Back!

If you leave Illinois, Connecticut, New York, New Jersy or Mass. it is only because you hate to shovel snow but are still willing to bring your blue state ideals and voting patterns to Florida, Georgia, Texas and South Carolina.

I see no way out of this condition. Maybe Florida can insitute a 25% income tax to all those who relocated since 2008:)

Sorry to include jane and Marlene but something has to be done.

Man Tran

Very long, but well worth your time -- an interview by Studs Terkel with Paul Tibbets.

Studs Terkel:  We're seated here, two old gaffers.  Me and Paul Tibbets, 89 years old, brigadier-general retired, in his home town of Columbus, Ohio, where he has lived for many years. 

Paul Tibbets: Hey, you've got to correct that. I'm only 87. You said 89. 

Studs Terkel: I know. See, I'm 90. So I got you beat by three years. 

Now we've had a nice lunch, you and I and your companion. I noticed as we sat in that restaurant, people passed by. They didn't know who you were. But once upon a time, you flew a plane called the Enola Gay over the city of Hiroshima, in Japan , on a Sunday morning - August 6 1945 - and a bomb fell. It was the atomic bomb, the first ever. And that particular moment changed the whole world around. You were the pilot of that plane. 

Paul Tibbets: Yes, I was the pilot. 

Studs Terkel: And the Enola Gay was named after.... 

Paul Tibbets: My mother. She was Enola Gay Haggard before she married my dad, and my dad never supported me with the flying - he hated airplanes and motorcycles. When I told them I was going to leave college and go fly planes in the army air corps, my dad said, "Well, I've sent you through school, bought you automobiles, given you money to run around with the girls, but from here on, you're on your own. If you want to go kill yourself, go ahead, I don't give a damn" Then Mom just quietly said, "Paul, if you want to go fly airplanes, you're going to be all right." And that was that. 

Studs Terkel: Where was that? 

Paul Tibbets: Well, that was ‪Miami, Florida.‬.. My dad had been in the real estate business down there for years, and at that time he was retired. And I was going to school at Gainesville, Florida, but I had to leave after two years and go to Cincinnati because Florida had no medical school. 

Studs Terkel: You were thinking of being a doctor? 

Paul Tibbets: I didn't think that, my father thought it. He said, "You're going to be a doctor," and I just nodded my head and that was it. And I started out that way; but about a year before I was able to get into an airplane, fly it - I soloed - and I knew then that I had to go fly airplanes. 

Studs Terkel: Now by 1944 you were a pilot - a test pilot on the program to develop the B-29 bomber. When did you get word that you had a special assignment? 

Paul Tibbets: One day [in September 1944] I'm running a test on a B-29, I land, a man meets me. He says he just got a call from General Uzal Ent [commander of the second air force] at Colorado Springs, he wants me in his office the next morning ‪at nine o'clock‬. He said, "Bring your clothing - your B4 bag - because you're not coming back. "Well, I didn't know what it was and didn't pay any attention to it - it was just another assignment. I got to Colorado Springs the next morning perfectly on time. A man named Lansdale met me, walked me to General Ent's office and closed the door behind me. With him was a man wearing a blue suit, a US Navy captain - that was William Parsons, who flew with me to Hiroshima - and Dr Norman Ramsey, Columbia University professor in nuclear physics. And Norman said: "OK, we've got what we call the Manhattan Project. What we're doing is trying to develop an atomic bomb. We've gotten to the point now where we can't go much further till we have airplanes to work with." He gave me an explanation which probably lasted 45, 50 minutes, and they left. General Ent looked at me and said, "The other day, General Arnold [commander general of the army air corps] offered me three names. "Both of the others were full colonels; I was a lieutenant-colonel. He said that when General Arnold asked which of them could do this atomic weapons deal, he replied without hesitation, "Paul Tibbets is the man to do it" I said, "Well, thank you, sir." Then he laid out what was going on and it was up to me now to put together an organization and train them to drop atomic weapons on both Europe and the Pacific - Tokyo .. 

Studs Terkel: Interesting that they would have dropped it on Europe as well. We didn't know that. 

Paul Tibbets: My edict was as clear as could be. Drop simultaneously in Europe and the Pacific because of the secrecy problem - you couldn't drop it in one part of the world without dropping it in the other. And so he said, "I don't know what to tell you, but I know you happen to have B-29's to start with. I've got a squadron in training in Nebraska - they have the best record so far of anybody we've got. I want you to go visit them, look at them, talk to them, do whatever you want. If they don't suit you, we'll get you some more." He said: "There's nobody could tell you what you have to do because nobody knows. If we can do anything to help you, ask me." I said thank you very much He said, "Paul, be careful how you treat this responsibility, because if you're successful you'll probably be called a hero. And if you're unsuccessful, you might wind up in prison" 

Studs Terkel: Did you know the power of an atomic bomb? Were you told about that? 

Paul Tibbets: No, I didn't know anything at that time. But I knew how to put an organization together. He said, "Go take a look at the bases, and call me back and tell me which one you want." I wanted to get back to Grand Island, Nebraska ; that's where my wife and two kids were, where my laundry was done, and all that stuff But I thought, "Well, I'll go to Wendover [army airfield, in Utah] first and see what they've got." As I came in over the hills I saw it was a beautiful spot. It had been a final staging place for units that were going through combat crew training, and the guys ahead of me were the last P-47 fighter outfit. This lieutenant-colonel in charge said, "We've just been advised to stop here and I don't know what you want to do...but if it has anything to do with this base, it's the most perfect base I've ever been on. You've got full machine shops, everybody's qualified, they know what they want to do. It's a good place." 

Studs Terkel: And now you chose your own crew. 

Paul Tibbets: Well, I had mentally done it before that. I knew right away I was going to get Tom Ferebee [the Enola Gay's bombardier] and Theodore "Dutch" van Kirk [navigator] and Wyatt Duzenbury [flight engineer]. 

Studs Terkel: Guys you had flown with in Europe? 

Paul Tibbets: Yeah 

Studs Terkel: And now you're training. And you're also talking to physicists like Robert Oppenheimer [senior scientist on the Manhattan project]. 

Paul Tibbets: I think I went to Los Alamos [the Manhattan project HQ] three times, and each time I got to see Dr Oppenheimer working in his own environment. Later, thinking about it, here's a young man, a brilliant person. And he's a chain smoker and he drinks cocktails. And he hates fat men. And, General Leslie Groves [the general in charge of the Manhattan project], he's a fat man, and he hates people who smoke and drink. The two of them are the first, original odd couple. 
 
Studs Terkel: They had a feud, Groves and Oppenheimer? 
   
Paul Tibbets: Yeah, but neither one of them showed it. Each one of them had a job to do. 

Studs Terkel: Did Oppenheimer tell you about the destructive nature of the bomb? 

Paul Tibbets: No. 

Studs Terkel: How did you know about that? 

Paul Tibbets: From Dr Ramsey. He said the only thing we can tell you about it is, it's going to explode with the force of 20,000 tons of TNT. I'd never seen 1 lb of TNT blow up. I'd never heard of anybody who'd seen 100 lbs of TNT blow up. All I felt was that this was gonna be one hell of a big bang. 

Studs Terkel: Twenty thousand tons - that's equivalent to how many planes full of bombs? 

Paul Tibbets: Well, I think the two bombs that we used [at Hiroshima and Nagasaki] had more power than all the bombs the air force had used during the war in Europe . 

Studs Terkel: So Ramsey told you about the possibilities. 

Paul Tibbets: Even though it was still theory, whatever those guys told me, that's what happened. So I was ready to say I wanted to go to war, but I wanted to ask Oppenheimer how to get away from the bomb after we dropped it. I told him that when we had dropped bombs in Europe and North Africa, we'd flown straight ahead after dropping them - which is also the trajectory of the bomb. But what should we do this time? He said, "You can't fly straight ahead because you'd be right over the top when it blows up and nobody would ever know you were there." He said I had to turn tangent to the expanding shock wave. I said, "Well, I've had some trigonometry, some physics. What is tangency in this case?" He said it was 159 degrees in either direction. "Turn 159 degrees as fast as you can and you'll be able to put yourself the greatest distance from where the bomb exploded." 

Studs Terkel: How many seconds did you have to make that turn? 

Paul Tibbets: I had dropped enough practice bombs to realize that the charges would blow around 1,500 ft in the air, so I would have 40 to 42 seconds to turn 159 degrees. I went back to Wendover as quick as I could and took the airplane up. I got myself to 25,000 ft and I practiced turning, steeper, steeper, steeper and I got it where I could pull it round in 40 seconds. The tail was shaking dramatically and I was afraid of it breaking off, but I didn't quit. That was my goal. And I practiced and practiced until, without even thinking about it, I could do it in between 40 and 42, all the time. So, when that day came... 

Studs Terkel: You got the go-ahead ‪on August 5. ‬

Paul Tibbets: Yeah We were in Tinian [the US island base in the Pacific] at the time we got the OK. They had sent this Norwegian to the weather station out on Guam [the US 's westernmost territory] and I had a copy of his report. We said that, based on his forecast, the sixth day of August would be the best day that we could get over Honshu [the island on which Hiroshima stands]. So we did everything that had to be done to get the crews ready to go: airplane loaded, crews briefed, all of the things checked that you have to check before you can fly over enemy territory. General Groves had a brigadier-general who was connected back to Washington DC by a special teletype machine. He stayed close to that thing all the time, notifying people back there, all by code, that we were preparing these airplanes to go any time me after midnight on the sixth. And that's the way it worked out. We were ready to go ‪at about four o'clock‬ in the afternoon on the fifth and we got word from the president that we were free to go: "Use me as you wish." They give you a time you're supposed to drop your bomb on target and that was ‪9:15‬ in the morning , but that was Tinian time, one hour later than Japanese time. I told Dutch, "You figure it out what time we have to start after midnight to be over the target ‪at 9 a.m‬" 

Studs Terkel: That'd be ‪Sunday morning. ‬

Paul Tibbets: Well, we got going down the runway at right about ‪2:15 a.m.‬ and we took off, we met our rendezvous guys, we made our flight up to what we call the initial point, that would be a geographic position that you could not mistake. Well, of course we had the best one in the world with the rivers and bridges and that big shrine. There was no mistaking what it was. 

Studs Terkel: So you had to have the right navigator to get it on the button. 

Paul Tibbets: The airplane has a bomb sight connected to the autopilot and the bombardier puts figures in there for where he wants to be when he drops the weapon, and that's transmitted to the airplane.. We always took into account what would happen if we had a failure and the bomb bay doors didn't open; we had a manual release put in each airplane so it was right down by the bombardier and he could pull on that. And the guys in the airplanes that followed us to drop the instruments needed to know when it was going to go. We were told not to use the radio, but, hell, I had to. I told them I would say, "One minute out," "Thirty seconds out," "Twenty seconds" and "Ten" and then I'd count, "Nine, eight, seven, six, five, four seconds", which would give them a time to drop their cargo They knew what was going on because they knew where we were. And that's exactly the way it worked; it was absolutely perfect. After we got the airplanes in formation I crawled into the tunnel and went back to tell the men, I said, "You know what we're doing today?" They said, "Well, yeah, we're going on a bombing mission." I said, "Yeah, we're going on a bombing mission, but it's a little bit special." My tail gunner, Bob Caron, was pretty alert. He said, "Colonel, we wouldn't be playing with atoms today, would we?" I said, "Bob, you've got it just exactly right." So I went back up in the front end and I told the navigator, bombardier, flight engineer, in turn. I said, "OK, this is an atom bomb we're dropping." They listened intently but I didn't see any change in their faces or anything else. Those guys were no idiots. We'd been fiddling round with the most peculiar-shaped things we'd ever seen. So we're coming down. We get to that point where I say "one second" and by the time I'd got that second out of my mouth the airplane had lurched, because 10,000 lbs had come out of the front. I'm in this turn now, tight as I can get it, that helps me hold my altitude and helps me hold my airspeed and everything else all the way round... When I level out, the nose is a little bit high and as I look up there the whole sky is lit up in the prettiest blues and pinks I've ever seen in my life. It was just great. I tell people I tasted it. "Well," they say, "what do you mean?" When I was a child, if you had a cavity in your tooth the dentist put some mixture of some cotton or whatever it was and lead into your teeth and pounded them in with a hammer. I learned that if I had a spoon of ice-cream and touched one of those teeth I got this electrolysis and I got the taste of lead out of it. And I knew right away what it was. OK, we're all going. We had been briefed to stay off the radios: "Don't say a damn word, what we do is we make this turn, we're going to get out of here as fast as we can." I want to get out over the sea of Japan because I know they can't find me over there. With that done we're home free. Then Tom Ferebee has to fill out his bombardier's report and Dutch, the navigator, has to fill out a log. Tom is working on his log and says, "Dutch, what time were we over the target?" And Dutch says, "Nine-fifteen plus 15 seconds.." Ferebee says: "What lousy navigating. Fifteen seconds off!" 

Studs Terkel: Did you hear an explosion? 

Paul Tibbets: Oh yeah. The shockwave was coming up at us after we turned. And the tail gunner said, "Here it comes." About the time he said that, we got this kick in the ass. I had accelerometers installed in all airplanes to record the magnitude of the bomb. It hit us with two and a half G's. Next day, when we got figures from the scientists on what they had learned from all the things, they said, "When that bomb exploded, your airplane was 10 and half miles away from it." 

Studs Terkel: Did you see that mushroom cloud? 

Paul Tibbets: You see all kinds of mushroom clouds, but they were made with different types of bombs. The Hiroshima bomb did not make a mushroom. It was what I call a stringer. It just came up. It was black as hell and it had light and colors and white in it and grey color in it and the top was like a folded-up Christmas tree. 

Studs Terkel: Do you have any idea what happened down below? 

Paul Tibbets: Pandemonium! I think it's best stated by one of the historians, who said: "In one micro-second, the city of Hiroshima didn't exist." 

Studs Terkel: You came back and you visited President Truman. 

Paul Tibbets: We're talking 1948 now. I'm back in the Pentagon and I get notice from the chief of staff, Carl Spaatz, the first chief of staff of the air force. When we got to General Spaatz's office, General Doolittle was there and a colonel named Dave Shillen. Spaatz said, "Gentlemen, I just got word from the president he wants us to go over to his office immediately." On the way over, Doolittle and Spaatz were doing some talking; I wasn't saying very much. When we got out of the car we were escorted right quick to the Oval Office There was a black man there who always took care of Truman's needs and he said, "General Spaatz, will you please be facing the desk?" And now, facing the desk, Spaatz is on the right, Doolittle and Shillen. Of course, militarily speaking, that's the correct order, because Spaatz is senior, Doolittle has to sit to his left. Then I was taken by this man and put in the chair that was right beside the president's desk, beside his left hand. Anyway, we got a cup of coffee and we got most of it consumed when Truman walked in and everybody stood on their feet. He said, "Sit down, please," and he had a big smile on his face and he said, "General Spaatz, I want to congratulate you on being first chief of the Air Force," because it was no longer the air corps. Spaatz said, "Thank you, sir, it's a great honor and I appreciate it." And he said to Doolittle: "That was a magnificent thing you pulled flying off of that carrier," and Doolittle said, "All in a day's work, Mr. President." And he looked at Dave Shillen and said, "Colonel Shillen, I want to congratulate you on having the foresight to recognize the potential in aerial refueling. We're gonna need it bad some day." And he said, "Thank you very much." Then he looked at me for 10 seconds and he didn't say anything. And when he finally did, he said, "What do you think?" I said, "Mr. President, I think I did what I was told." He slapped his hand on the table and said: "You're damn right you did, and I'm the guy who sent you. If anybody gives you a hard time about it, refer them to me." 

Studs Terkel: Anybody ever give you a hard time? 

Paul Tibbets: Nobody gave me a hard time 

Studs Terkel: Do you ever have any second thoughts about the bomb? 

Paul Tibbets: Second thoughts? No. Studs, look. Number one, I got into the air corps to defend the United States to the best of my ability. That's what I believe in and that's what I work for. Number two, I'd had so much experience with airplanes. I'd had jobs where there was no particular direction about how you do it and then of course I put this thing together with my own thoughts on how it should be because when I got the directive I was to be self-supporting at all times. On the way to the target I was thinking: I can't think of any mistakes I've made. Maybe I did make a mistake: maybe I was too damned assured. At 29 years of age I was so shot in the ass with confidence I didn't think there was anything I couldn't do. Of course, that applied to airplanes and people. So, no, I had no problem with it. I knew we did the right thing because when I knew we'd be doing that I thought, yes, we're going to kill a lot of people, but by God we're going to save a lot of lives We won't have to invade [Japan]. 

Studs Terkel: Why did they drop the second one, the Bockscar [bomb] on Nagasaki? 

Paul Tibbets: Unknown to anybody else - I knew it, but nobody else knew - there was a third one. See, the first bomb went off and they didn't hear anything out of the Japanese for two or three days.. The second bomb was dropped and again they were silent for another couple of days.. Then I got a phone call from General Curtis LeMay [chief of staff of the strategic air forces in the Pacific]. He said, "You got another one of those damn things?" I said, "Yes sir." He said, "Where is it?" I said, "Over in Utah ..." He said, "Get it out here. You and your crew are going to fly it." I said, "Yes sir." I sent word back and the crew loaded it on an airplane and we headed back to bring it right on out to Tinian and when they got it to California debarkation point, the war was over. 

Studs Terkel: What did General LeMay have in mind with the third one? 

Paul Tibbets: Nobody knows. 

Studs Terkel: One big question. Since September 11, what are your thoughts? People talk about nukes, the hydrogen bomb. 

Paul Tibbets: Let's put it this way. I don't know any more about these terrorists than you do; I know nothing. When they bombed the Trade Centre I couldn't believe what was going on. We've fought many enemies at different times. But we knew who they were and where they were. These people, we don't know who they are or where they are. That's the point that bothers me. Because they're gonna strike again, I'll put money on it. And it's going to be damned dramatic. But they're gonna do it in their own sweet time. We've got to get into a position where we can kill the bastards. None of this business of taking them to court, the hell with that. I wouldn't waste five seconds on them. 

Studs Terkel: What about the bomb? Einstein said the world has changed since the atom was split. 

Paul Tibbets: That's right. It has changed. 

Studs Terkel: And Oppenheimer knew that. 

Paul Tibbets: Oppenheimer is dead. He did something for the world and people don't understand And it is a free world. 

Studs Terkel: One last thing, when you hear people say, "Let's nuke 'em," "Let's nuke these people," what do you think? 

Paul Tibbets: Oh, I wouldn't hesitate if I had the choice. I'd wipe 'em out.. You're gonna kill innocent people at the same time, but we've never fought a damn war anywhere in the world where they didn't kill innocent people. If the newspapers would just cut out the shit: "You've killed so many civilians." That's their tough luck for being there. 

Studs Terkel: By the way, I forgot to say Enola Gay was originally called "Number 82." How did your mother feel about having her name on it? 

Paul Tibbets: Well, I can only tell you what my dad said. My mother never changed her expression very much about anything, whether it was serious or light, but when she'd get tickled, her stomach would jiggle. My dad said to me that when the telephone in Miami rang, my mother was quiet first. Then, when it was announced on the radio, he said: "You should have seen the old gal's belly jiggle on that one."

Paul Tibbets was born in ‪1915‬ -- This interview was conducted some time in 2002.

daddy

The more I hear about this CNN/Acosta Law suit the more I know none of them ever read that book that was popular a decade or so back titled something like "Everything I ever needed to learn about life i learned in Kindergarten."

Be nice, treat others the way you would like to be treated, etc. Not hard stuff.

The Gipper Lives

That's fine that Crenshaw and Davidson get along.

But Crenshaw took up arms to defend our Rights with violence. He's a warrior.

Donald Trump is also a warrior, a political warrior. And Americans haven't had one in thirty years. As a result, our Rights have come under constant assault and Donald Trump is almost alone in doing anything about it.

Yes, he's rough at times--but not as rough as losing our freedoms to a ruthless gang of communists, terror-symps, open borders America-dissolvers and coup-plotting bribe-taking criminals.

We're in a knife-fight for what's left of a Constitutional Republic. And David French is complaining about the style in which it is being fought.

Extraneus

Oh no!

Broward County’s Embattled Secretary of Elections Says She Might Step Down

She’s unhappy that her character is under the microscope
GUS

Tom R, my brother. At what point will you realize and acknowledge that Mueller, Comey, Rosensteeeeen, and all the rest, have NEVER been WHITE HATS, and that NONE of the FBI 7TH FLOOR, nor the SWAMP has EVER been working on this CHARADE in any HONEST CAPACITY???

Trump has been playing 1-D chess, against ALL OF THEM.

lyle

Huh. No takers on the Trumpy Bear. Booo. 😬

Jack is Back!

MT,

That interview was played during our bomb/nav training. Then we all had to dissect it,criticise it, or develop a scenario that was differnent but could work. No one came up with a comparable alternatifve. Flying by the seats of your pants is not so much a proverbile decision by Corrigan but also by Tibbets, in a way,

I am so glad I was not the Bomberdier. Tibbets only flew the plane. That guy dropped it. No one ever asks him his thoughts on that day or mission.

boatbuilder

Obligatory "Trump is so mean!" pout by French. Good for Crenshaw. I'd like to hear what his actual positions are on the issues before I nominate him for the presidency, or the future of conservatism, however.

GUS

EXT, this rancid broad isn't stepping down from anything. THE FULL COMMIE is NOT being held accountable, nor is this vapid CRIMINAL.
So long as the FULL COMMIE behaves in CRIMINAL WAYS, and is not challenged, it will behave in CRIMINAL WAYS and NOT BE CHALLENGED.

First rule of the FULL COMMIE. THE IDEOLOGY is EVERYTHING.

Jack is Back!

lyle,

I have a Trumpy Bear. He is with Frederick in Canterbury. Everyone there bows before his awsomeness. All is not lost in our youth, believe me.

boatbuilder

If those two plus Don Jr and Kushner are not in peril from Mueller, then what exactly do you think Mueller is doing?
Umm--the same thing he was doing before the election. Pretending to be pursuing imaginary Russians.

Jack is Back!

I know it is early but it gets so dark here early, you get sleepy. Plus i have 3 sleepy Beagles. I think I am going to bed to read, and lurk. Cheers!

Slaap lekker, tot morgen.

boatbuilder

The Gipper said it better than I.

GUS

THE STALINISTS call others NAZI'S, White Nationalists, Racists, Misogynists, Haters, Goat Fuckers or WHATEVER. It's old, it's tedious and it's really all they have left.

So much for COEXISTING and LOVE!!! I have predicted that we'd be here for over a DECADE.

This isn't by accident.

narciso

I take exception, Kev, as I did when dario Moreno popularized this notion after a '97 election, and this carried over to the recount.

mike in houston

Boatbuilder here is Dan Crenshaw's issues page. It will give you an idea of where he stands. My new Congressman.

https://crenshawforcongress.com/issues/

mike in houston

Boatbuilder here is Dan Crenshaw's issues page. It will give you an idea of where he stands. My new Congressman.

https://crenshawforcongress.com/issues/

narciso


Ah this was the one:

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Memo_PPS23_by_George_Kennan

Pinandpuller

Pete Davidson should have it out for Ann Coulter.

jimmyk on iPhone

I guess Tom R has no answer.

GUS

JACK, I have never had to kill another human.
I have never shot at another person, whom I have never met.
I have never had to blast a foe, from the cockpit of a JET flying 2.5+ Mach. I have never had to fire a shotgun thru my door a la JOE FUCKTARD BIDEN, to stop a make believe threat.
My GreatGrandad did.
My GrandDad did,
My Father did,
My Brother did,
My Nephew did.
My next younger bro, was SWAT at COLUMBINE. He was in the building and dealt with the DEATH and blood guts and brain matter.

I have ZERO.....ZERO doubt, that I would OFF someone, ANYONE, who threatened my WIFE, SON or any INNOCENT AMERICAN. NO DOUBT and NO REGRETS.
My values, Patriotism and MORAL CLARITY are not shared by PUSSIES, DEMOCRATS, FULL COMMIES and most of EURO-WEENIES.

narciso

When ellsberg was indicted for leaking the pentagon papers to the times notably Neil sheehan, which prompted the whole prior restraint matter, which had particular
codicils, this is a long way of saying whereas the beef re stone and corsi?

Pinandpuller

is Dr Snipes Extremely Careless or Grossly Negligent? Or Evil Yoda?

lyle

Way to go, JiB and Frederick!

henry

Emerald Robinson

Update on Rod Rosenstein - he's trying to force Acting AG Whittaker to recuse himself from oversight of Mueller probe by using DOJ leaks to media, according to J. Christian Adams. (Listen to radio segment below.)

https://twitter.com/emeraldrobinson/status/1062336768903692289?s=21

Pinandpuller

I never had to accidentally shoot myself in the foot either. I nearly did last year when I had coyote fever but a night scope will solve that issue.

narciso

The president is nominating fmr general abizaid who used to be cent com commander to be ambassador to riyadh.

narciso

Quelle surprise:

https://mobile.twitter.com/davereaboi/status/1062471254127583234?p=v

GUS

I wonder what ROSENSTEEEEEEN is afraid of??

Who didn't see this clown coming unraveled.

narciso

The one time they cite chuck Ross, they get him wrong:


https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/13/cnn-lawsuit-white-house-fake-news/

Pinandpuller

Listening to Levin. Good thing nobody put Ted Olson on the Supreme Court.

Pinandpuller

Dogonne it John Adams why didn't you split the Aliens and Sedition Act into two separate bills?

narciso

Yes Christian Adams had pointed that out, he suspected rosensteins deputy?? And Mccain acolyte o Callaghan and fmr fiorina staffer isgur flores.

Pinandpuller

Did the Supreme Court compel bakers to make gay cakes?

Good luck making the President call on gay CNN.

GUS

So MUELLER has 2 years and NOTHING. Maybe he should have MANAFORTS WIFE frisked and handcuffed after breaking in to their HOUSE.

The FULL COMMIE is "all in". Meanwhile RODHAM has paid 17 MILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLION dollars in COLLUSION with RUSSIANS, to MAKE UP FALSE claims of GOLDEN SHOWERS etc.

Nothing to see here.

pagar, a bacon, ham and sausage supporter

GentleJim, Jim, and other readers.
I see where my morning list was found. I have 40+
more but I figured to break them down so here are 10 more.
W.E.B. Griffin War and Police
Robert Crais Det. with his Friend Pike
Michael Connelly, Police
Robert B.Parker, Det.Spenser, Police, others
Vince Flynn, C.I.A.
Catherine Coulter, CIA
Allison Brennan, Mystery
Ralph Compton, Westerns
Nevada Barr, Mysterys tied to the US Park Service/
Alex Berenson, Mysterys tied to Middle East War.

Hope Some find these enjoyable.


The Infamous Ignatz

--She’s unhappy that her character is under the microscope--

She's unhappy that her crimes are under the microscope.

GUS

A Don "THE FRUIT" LEMON chiffon CAKE.

I wouldn't taste the FROSTNG, if you smell what I'm cooking.

Jimbo Acosta is hilarious. No doubt this CLOWN owns a POOOOSY hat or 3.

narciso

Ricardel seems to have good policy instincts but her interpersonal skills live something to be desired

narciso

Is also add mark greaney, and dewey Andres innthe espionage/military connection

So it turned out pbs is adapting Collins woman in white

maryrose

Pagar:
Thank you for the book selections!

narciso

Sorry Ben coes, whose character is dewey Andres.and on the other side of the pond Matthew dunno and Alex dryden, its been about 6 years since his last.

Tom R

I guess Tom R has no answer.

Really? Why ASSume that instead of other possibilities like driving home work and eating dinner with the family as explanations for why I haven’t responded to you yet?

Let’s assume the Rosenstein haters here are correct about Rosenstein being corrupt, a member of the Deep State, and appointing Mueller for the purpose of destroying Trump. You also believe Trump does not trust Rosenstein otherwise he would have appointed him acting AG. I guess that would mean I will have to lower my opinion of Trump’s intelligence because I can’t really think of a good reason why Trump would want someone like Rosenstein who he no longer trusts to continue working for him and being in a position to undermine his agenda.

boatbuilder

Hey Mike in Houston--Please keep voting for Crenshaw, we need guys (and gals) like him. He may well represent the future of conservativism--I sure as hell hope so. I was not dumping on him, just responding to the "civility" jibe at Trump from the alleged conservative French.

If only there was someone remotely like Crenshaw here in Connecticut (as if) I would be less grumpy.

Tom R

Wasn’t Emerald Robinson the same person whose inside sources said Rosenstein would resign by last Friday?

Pinandpuller

Did Islamic Terrorism turn Ted Olson Left or just push him out of the Left closet like The Prestige?

henry

Don’t know Robinson from a house plant. Christian Adams is reliable on many things.

GUS

Tom R. I hope your son goes to the College where he can be happiest. If playing BASEBALL, is part of that...... AWESOME.

narciso

She is relaying Christian Adams findings who has been on point re the makeup of the doj over the last decade, so they dropped the case against doc browns significant other.

Pinandpuller

Hey GUS I'm going to do a dry run tomorrow to see if a Fender Telecaster will go in a padded brushed aluminum rifle case. I'm the anti-Mariachi. I bought four on clearance for a SONG ahaha! I couldn't help myself.

narciso

Maybe its maple contamination:


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bernie-sanders-wife-jane-escapes-prosecution-over-bad-land-deal

GUS

Pin, TED OLSON, and his late wife, are/were SWAMP PEOPLE. It is foreign to me how IDEOLOGY can allow someone to ignore the MURDER of their own SPOUSE.
Ted Olson didn't turn LEFT. Ted Olson's personal character and instincts were not altered by his WIFE'S and many others MURDERS.

GUS

Pin, you bought 4 cases, not 4 Telies......RIGHT??

I own 3 VERY VERY NICE Telecasters, and all have equally nice cases.

I'd love you to arrive in S.E. Wisconsin, with a sweet Telecaster. I have several vintage amps for you to sample.

narciso


No good deed

https://babalublog.com/2018/11/13/reports-from-cuba-from-minint-official-to-political-prisoner-incarcerated-for-espionage/

Now if this was dhimmi kingpins best pal, alejandro Castro, bin ghoul, it would be a different story

Miss Marple

“Boom: Record high business optimism, need for employees at 45-year high” https://t.co/jBFjEwAcfd

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 13, 2018

Article at link.

Pinandpuller

I may need to do some blade work

jimmyk on iPhone

“Really? Why ASSume that instead of other possibilities like driving home work and eating dinner with the family as explanations for why I haven’t responded to you yet?”

Maybe because you made at least six other posts during that time?

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