A WWII Diversion

The question of what, if anything the US military might have done about the German death camps during WWII came up last night. A very interesting article presents the thoughts of a number of American politicians, including Bush 43 and George McGovern, the 1972 Dem Presidential candidate. People remember he lost 49 states to Nixon but forget he was an Army Air Force volunteer who flew 35 missions over Europe.

Bush:

While visiting the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, in Jerusalem, on Jan. 11, 2008, President Bush “viewed aerial photos of the Auschwitz death camp and called [Secretary of State Condoleeza] Rice over to discuss why the American government had decided against bombing the site, [Yad Vashem director Avner] Shalev said. ‘We should have bombed it,’ Bush said, according to Shalev.” (Associated Press, Jan. 11)

A bit of background will tee up McGovern (semi-spoiler alert):

Dr. Medoff, who is director of The David S. Wyman Institute for Holocaust Studies, pointed out: 

“The photographs that President Bush viewed were taken because U.S. planes flew right over Auschwitz in 1944, taking surveillance photos in preparation for bombing--not for bombing the gas chambers or crematoria, but for bombing German oil factories less than five miles away. 

“The Roosevelt administration knew about the mass murder going on in Auschwitz but rejected proposals to bomb it on the grounds that bombing would have required a diversion of military resources. In fact, U.S. planes were already in the skies over Auschwitz. In one of the raids on the oil factories, stray U.S. bombs accidentally struck an SS barracks and part of the railway line leading into the death camp. But the gas chambers and crematoria were never targeted.

And McGovern:

U.S. Senator and 1972 Democratic Presidential Nominee George McGovern was one of the pilots who attacked German oil factories near Auschwitz in 1944. In an interview with Israel Television and the Wyman Institute on December 20, 2004, McGovern said “There is no question we should have attempted ... to go after Auschwitz. There was a pretty good chance we could have blasted those rail lines off the face of the earth, which would have interrupted the flow of people to those death chambers, and we had a pretty good chance of knocking out those gas ovens...Franklin Roosevelt was a great man and he was my political hero. But I think he made two great mistakes in World War Two.” One was the internment of Japanese-Americans; the other was the decision “not to go after Auschwitz ... God forgive us for that tragic miscalculation.”

This seems to be the presentation at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington DC. Tries to balance both sides:

During the spring of 1944, the Allies received more explicit information about the process of mass murder by gassing carried out at Auschwitz-Birkenau. On some days as many as 10,000 people were murdered in its gas chambers. In desperation, Jewish organizations made various proposals to halt the extermination process and rescue Europe's remaining Jews. A few Jewish leaders called for the bombing of the Auschwitz gas chambers; others opposed it. Like some Allied officials, both sides feared the death toll or the German propaganda that might exploit any bombing of the camp's prisoners. No one was certain of the results.

...

Allied bombardment of Auschwitz-Birkenau in mid-July 1944 would not have saved the approximately 310,000 Hungarian Jews whom the Germans had killed upon arrival at the killing center between May 15 and July 11, 1944. Moreover, barracks located not far from the gas chambers at Birkenau housed 51,117 prisoners (31,406 of them women and children).

In the summer and fall of 1944, the World Jewish Congress and the War Refugee Board (WRB) forwarded requests to bomb Auschwitz to the US War Department. These requests were denied....

...

In subsequent decades, the Allied decision not to bomb the gas chambers in or the rail lines leading to Auschwitz-Birkenau has been a source of sometimes bitter debate. Proponents of bombing continue to argue that such an action, while it might have killed some prisoners, could have slowed the killing operations and perhaps ultimately saved lives.

 Lots more background here.

Comments

[peter]

Beschloss attacks Wilson, will he attack FDR next? The left eats its own.

Oh, and First

[Captain Hate]

perhaps ultimately saved lives.

Perhaps, the ultimate cop out word. Aerial bombing to save lives is one of the more counterintuitive things I've heard; it was employed by the MFM dolts in service to their hero Slick for conducting his Bosnian misadventures strictly by aerial action with no troops on the ground. He blew up the Chinese embassy in Belgrade with one of those smart missiles.

[henry]

FDR should get the full SJW treatment? What, SJWs hate Jews too?

[narciso]

I was wallowed re Winik who presents the facts more forcefully.

[henry]

Oil was the Wermacht's achilles heal. divert bombs from that and how many more months of killing does the SS get?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Trump to Macron: “MAKE FRANCE GREAT AGAIN.”--

Trump has a lot of gaul to go over to France and say that. :)
Did anyone ever think France was great? I mean besides the French.
There was that time Chuck Martel booted the musselmen...but since then? Hmmm....

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Many bombs strayed far from their intended target so a possible if not outright probable outcome of bombing the camps would have been thousands of Jews killed by us rather than the Nazis followed by either the rapid repair of the rail lines or transporting of the Jews by other means or simply a slaughter by other means were the gas chambers destroyed.
Given the psychopathic nature of the Nazi regime it's possible they would have been spurred to greater efforts to kill even more if they saw their efforts being thwarted.

[henry]

Maybe the left should sue FDR for a redo... like they are doing with Acosta and Rosenstein. It worked for the loser in Georgia.

[hrtshpdbox]

McGovern had the usual 60's left-of-Humphrey squishy logic but wasn't actually an evil creep like so many on the left are today.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--But I think he made two great mistakes in World War Two.” One was the internment of Japanese-Americans; the other was the decision “not to go after Auschwitz ...--

Leave it to a prog to not consider Yalta and the abandonment of Eastern Europe to an evil fully the equal of the Nazis as not one of FDR's great mistakes.

[narciso]

Wallowed, you probably couldn't do much for those prisoners from Yugoslavia they had made their own hellhole the first time I had heard of auschwitz was in winds of war, where hafstaegl is telling speer about it, in tones befitting a horror film.

Maybe they put it that far east to keep it put of the bomber, the tragedy of the ss St. Louis which my parents homeland had a small part in, does rest on saint delanos hands in part for appointing mussollini fan breckenridge long to the relevant post.

[narciso]

But what was the objective of the war, if it was to end it as soon as possible, well maybe unconditional surrender want the best strategy.

[Captain Hate]

I think they put them where they wanted people worked to death with minimum transportation costs. The Slavs definitely weren't part of the Master Race.

[Miss Marple]

There are 3 trials today, one criminal and one civil. They just called all the ppeople for criminal. So now i am waiting to see if I get called for the civil case. Yes

[Ralph L]

the abandonment of Eastern Europe
Having given the USSR thousands of trucks, there wasn't much he could do to stop them using them. Still craven, of course, not to object.

[sbwaters]

What are you doing wasting your time looking at history. It’s NOW that matters!

... And now means what I say it means. Now get back to work!

[henry]

As much as Mueller's process is closer to a star chamber than the Constitution, I have little sympathy for Stone or Corsi.

Charles Ortel @CharlesOrtel
17s

Mueller Set To Issue New Indictments "As Soon As Today"; Stone, Corsi, Don Jr. In Crosshairs | Zero Hedge

https://t.co/Oj02wN8GtW

[Old Lurker]

sbw "... And now means what I say it means."

Yes sir, Mr. Humpty.

[Bernardi Dr la paz]

Re the internment it was saint Delanos anti Japanese animus that drove his wholesale adoption of general DeWitt strategy.

[anonamom]

I'm going to become TK2! You'd think I'd have learned by now to refresh before posting during catch up!

A-mom, I have a hard time criticizing any way a married couple goes about having children to raise.

My post wasn't a criticism of either Obama, or anyone's "choice" of how to have children.

Decreasing fertility in women is a fact, with each passing year post 31 showing a dramatic decrease, to rather unlikely without assistance by 40 for the majority of women.

That fact is one that I think far too many young people are unaware of---even medical school graduates. Not to mention the increase in rates of birth defects, learning problems, and miscarriages in assisted pregnancies, as well as the increased rates of premature births and maternal morbidity and mortality in mothers over 40.

You want kids--get cracking!

My infertility doc didn't even know that 27 years ago, which is why my children don't have a sister! ;-)

[Bernardi Dr la paz]

Re the star chamber, I assume whoever was the middleman uploaded the emails to assuanges server wherever they are and they went everywhere as they had in the last two uploads.

[henry]

from chitown lurker:

Regensburg raid of Aug, 1943 dissuaded LeMay of a LOT of deep raids.

[Bernardi Dr la paz]

The horde came up with a new name with kasich son of a postage stamp

[Old Lurker]

I was agreeing with you A-mom.

Saw an ad on TV which said "today men have lower T than their fathers and even lower than their grandfathers"?

Is that true?

[Account Deleted]

OT: "The Justice Department would immediately appeal any such ruling, and the case could be on a fast track to the Supreme Court."

A Maryland judge has been asked to block POTUS' executive authority to appoint an interim AG, and to install Rat Rosenstein as Attorney General.

Bring it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/state-maryland-asks-judge-declare-rosenstein-acting-attorney-general-n935446

[henry]

Kev, hope you got the "raw" equivalent of popcorn for your birthday... the post midterm follies are kicking of in earnest.

[Tom Maguire]

"today men have lower T than their fathers and even lower than their grandfathers"? Is that true?

I'd Google around for an answer if I had any energy at all.

Of course, my grandfather was never much for Google either, so there's that.

[Extraneus]

CNN sues WH over Acosta press pass. How could they possibly win? Is there a right involved? If so, does SBW also have that right? How about the rest of us?

[Old Lurker]

:-) TM

[Janet]

((Mueller Set To Issue New Indictments "As Soon As Today"; Stone, Corsi, Don Jr. In Crosshairs | Zero Hedge))

"Corsi, who has called the potential indictment a "perjury trap," is suspected of having prior knowledge of the WikiLeaks dump of Hillary Clinton's campaign emails.

Reports have suggested that Mueller‘s interest in Corsi stems from a review of communications between him and Stone in 2016 about an impending release of Clinton campaign emails by WikiLeaks, the transparency activist organization. Mueller is investigating whether any Americans had advance knowledge of the email dump, which dominated the final weeks of the campaign. -Politico

NBC News reported in late October that Mueller was investigating whether Corsi knew that WikiLeaks had obtained emails stolen by Russian hackers and whether he shared this information with Roger Stone. "

Stolen by Russian hackers?
Are they talking about the Podesta emails or the DNC emails?

I don't think it has been established that "Russians" hacked anything.
Are they going by CrowdStrike's word?
Podesta fell for a scam & gave out his password, "password".

All of this Mueller stuff is evil.

[sbwaters]

Ext, I was, for a time, a non-resident member of the National Press Club.

Their bar was called “The Reliable Source.”

[Extraneus]

Do you have priority access to the WH, SB? Get to mix it up with Sarah and Trump?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

After Martha Stewart, General Flynn, Scooter Libby, et al, I have little sympathy and even less understanding of why anyone talks to cops of any sort, but especially the FBI.
It makes as much sense to me as watching half a dozen people lay their head on a chopping block, watching as it's severed and then accepting an invitation from the guy with the ax and the hood to lay my head down on the block voluntarily.
What did they think was going to happen?

[Bernardi Dr la paz]

Yes Janet, when assuange released millions of confidential cables they said nothing same when he compromised sources and methods. Like I say these documents were available to everyone with a scifi connectkon.

[hrtshpdbox]

Acosta has the right to ask endless "questions" at White House pressers, to refuse to give up the mike until he feels he's done with his "questions", to grandstand on live television from the White House if he so chooses, to talk loudly over anyone at the podium if he doesn't like what they're saying, and to eternally grimace and shake his head at the outrages he perceives. Anything less is a violation of his 1st Amendment rights.

[pagar, a bacon, ham and sausage supporter]

"All this Mueller stuff" I second the evilness.
Every penny given to Mueller and his ripoff group wasted, IMO.

[JimNorCal]

Screws being tightened. Commissars will be everywhere denouncing the politically incorrect in any public venue.
https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/11/the-eerie-capitulation-of-south-park.html

I'll predict the new Dem Congress will go for shock and awe.
Time to bury 4D chess and brace for impact. "Leaders" won't save us, we will all have to step up and do what we can.

[henry]

This might lead to detection of a WIMP.

This dark matter should strike the Sun – and any detectors on Earth – at speeds of 500 kilometres per second – much faster than the standard dark matter wind. O’Hare and colleagues call it a “dark matter hurricane”.

https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/researchers-brace-for-dark-matter-hurricane

[Bernardi Dr la paz]

Yes where did that come from, the sky dragons agw shows man's supreme arrogance toward nature.

[hrtshpdbox]

There is nothing the House can do to Trump, and he should and probably will point that out to them. He can ignore subpoenas, laugh at them while they impeach him, and use executive orders to get done what needs to be done for the country. The House is powerless, Trump rules.

[Extraneus]

I believe Whitaker needs to sign off on any future indictments that weren't already sealed when he took over. Anyone know differently?

[henry]

CNN, a bunch of whiners:

J.B. White Retweeted
AriFleischer's avatar
Ari Fleischer @AriFleischer
1h

Acosta has access to the White House, the same every other opinion writer or op-ed writer has. He remains a member of the press corps and he can apply for a daily WH press pass. The only thing he lost is a hard pass, which clears him daily w/o need for a day pass.

[Janet]

& how in the world can Mueller get away with the vague term "Russian hackers".
Who exactly?
Name the person/persons.
Name them.

"Russian hackers" is an evil boogieman that can be anything that Mueller needs it to be.
Is he alleging that Donald Trump was in cahoots with the shadowy "Russian hackers"?

It is all so absurd & evil.

Dems & their media machine have gotten away with not just slandering our people..but slandering them with ABSURD accusations.

Years in the public spotlight and all of a sudden:

Donald Trump is a homophobic, anti-Semitic, racist nazi that is in cahoots with Russia.

Judge Roy Moore is a pedophile

Judge Brett Kavanaugh is a gang raper

It is ludicrous & evil.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I understand why Dem presidents favor their big media pals.
Why does any Rep president even let them in the place or ever call on them?
Wouldn't it be quicker to just shoot yourself in the foot?

[Bernardi Dr la paz]

And the latter group, defend justice is directing the recount.

[Old Lurker]

Iggy, especially because none of them have any audience with anybody on our side. Why arm the propaganda arm of the Left with such access.

As to speaking with the FBI or the "government", I have had a standing joke for thirty years with a guy who has become one of the go-to guys when a big shot gets in trouble in things like that. The joke is that I will neither open any mail nor speak with any person from the DoJ or FBI without having him speak for me, and in return he promises to take my call at any hour. (I wish had had nailed down his hourly rate three decades ago when we struck this understanding.)

[Old Lurker]

There is no constitutional requirement that the POTUS or even his staff subject themselves to any such access, just as there is no constitutional requirement that POTUS journey up to the Capitol to deliver his "annual report".

I would be perfectly happy to have him just say "watch my actions" for the next two years. See you at the polls in 2020, punk.

[Bernardi Dr la paz]

He tried putting lifezette the daily caller and other like minded publication but horseshack keeps monopolizing the time, I guess he thinks April Ryan is a good punching bag.

[Old Lurker]

Just declare that there will be no daily briefings until further notice and all hard passes are rescinded. Punk.

:-)

[Account Deleted]

although not in the absolute, i remain unconvinced that bombing rail lines closer to the camps would have stopped or even slowed nazi slaughter mechanics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Reichsbahn

worth a read to gain insight into the magnitude of what an effective bombing campaign would have required logistically and in terms of precision bombing.

Below the line is for anybody wishing to know some details about my position on the matter.

++++++

(i'm leaving the allegations of anti-semitism out of this to look at the purely strategic challenge of disrupting the camp slaughters using strategic bombing-- Mrs Kid's maternal line is Ashkenazi Jew, so the anti-semitic FDR doesn't go unnoticed)

Why i remain unconvinced, so far:

Rail lines operated effectively and efficiently for much of the war, even to the Russian front.

The wiki explains how the largest European enterprise (the nationalized German rail system plus the Reich's incorporation of conquered nation's assets)in history was key to nazi military campaigns even up to the Battle of the Bulge in '44.

The complexity of the "imperial" railway system was a by-product of the Treaty of Versailles in that it was key to paying the $11 billion war reparations owed to creditors following the War to End All Wars.

In the most simplistic terms, the consolidation of rail assets from autonomous German states created one of the largest capital assets in Europe's history.

And, as one can logically surmise, that means 10s of thousands of miles of track throughout the Reich were operational and fully responsible for supporting the blitz and other early campaigns. this support, continued to be effective even as late as December 44.

deported Jews slated for extermination in the camps came from all over the Reich by rail.

Allied bombing from the first waves of RAF until 45 seemed not to have been very damaging to the war effort.

during the Russian campaign, the rolling stock damaged by Russians during their retreat in the face of Operation Barbarossa, the nazis replaced over 16,000 km of track.

even with the Russian tracks being an engineering non-fit, the Reich was able to lay compatible track to support it's troop advance--- one of the largest rail deployments in military history.

on balance, the Allies weren't that effective in destroying enough track to prevent the movement of tanks and troops to the Bulge in 44.

destroying track outside the camps, by comparison, might not have been as effective as destroying nazi repair and reconstruction centers which stored the replacement rolling stock and housed the skilled teams required to do the job...but that would've required more on the ground demolitions, if those demolition resources were even identifiable or manageable. and, at what human cost?

[Extraneus]

I like it, OL. That would also blow away any argument that CNN is being singled out, and in the process piss off the rest of their "colleagues." Win-win-win.

[Account Deleted]

henry: indeed. the raw equivalent of "movie grain" for me are raw cashews.... a diversified use source of nutrition---

Paw shipped a case of 12 large containers of those tasty pearls for the big 63. hotchawanna!

cashew milk- a base for making raw cake, pies, and pastries

cashew butter

crushed cashews- a thickener for the batter used to make dehydrated crackers

and general nibbling throughout the day to quell hunger pangs (which emerge like clockwork even as they did when i was eating industrial diet foods).

the follies continue unabated!

hope you are enjoying the denouement of "fall" up there in God's country.

Kev

[Old Lurker]

Ext...and deny endless film clips for the nightly news to slice and dice. And when the others are pissed off, just tell them to complain to Acosta and April Ryan.

[Bernardi Dr la paz]

You mean he's not dead?

https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/13/senate-joseph-mifsud-papadopoulos/

[Jim Eagle]

Your Latin Phrase of the Day:

Sub tyranno malo non possumus esse liberi.

I wonder whom it refers to?

[Frau Edith Steingehirn]

Acosta's "rights" include the right to be in the front row. I thought he lost that privilege and now he's back.

How about a cut-off switch on the mike? heh

[henry]

See how fast Pelosi decides there will be no infrastructure spending after all:

CNBC @CNBC
27m

The White House is looking at an infrastructure plan, including energy pipelines and LNG terminals, according to top WH economic advisor Larry Kudlow.

[Jim Eagle]

henry,

Its called a pre-emptive plan:) Smart by the WH. Nothing like getting the building trades on your side first.

[henry]

Indeed Jack. Get the trades, and send the loons into insanity mode all at once.

[henry]

Quoth the Raven
‏ @QTRResearch

Quoth the Raven Retweeted NBC News

In other news, your Amazon Echo is apparently recording you 24/7

NBC News
‏Verified account @NBCNews

Judge orders Amazon to hand over Echo recordings from home in murder case.

https://twitter.com/QTRResearch/status/1062360750415667200

[Porchlight]

>In other news, your Amazon Echo is apparently recording you 24/7

Of course it is.

[Extraneus]

Amazon and Google both say they only record after the wake word is spoken. If they were found to be lying, their stock would tank, and high level ppl would be fired. Makes no sense for them to take that risk.

[lurkersusie]

Fake news or......

Trump to Remove Homeland Security Secretary Nielsen, Weighs Wider White House Shakeup.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-has-decided-to-remove-homeland-security-secretary-nielsen-1542126979

[Extraneus]

Same with your phone.

"Hey, Google."

"Hey, Siri."

"Hey, Cortana."

I also have the Alexa app.

They can't all be spying 24/7.

[henry]

Goolag also says it doesn't manipulate search rankings based on political views.

[jimmyk]

CNN sues WH over Acosta press pass. How could they possibly win?

After that Hawaii judge, or much of the 9th Circuit, anything is possible.

In the "Me or your lyin' eyes" category, NBC has the audacity to write this:

Sanders claimed in a statement that Acosta put "his hands on a young woman just trying to do her job as a White House intern" during the confrontation with Trump. A video of the exchange does not appear to support that accusation.

True, it was only one hand, so "hands" is a false accusation.

[Extraneus]

I understand the skepticism about Google, but what motivation would Amazon, Apple or Microsoft have?

[henry]

Same... mining for advertising dollars.

[clarice]

There is no doubt Roosevelt was anti semitic which makes older Jews love of him so weird.Besides the Liberty ship, he refused to allow the shipment here of Jewish orphans which the community had pledged to support, and Breckinridge deliberately refused to honor even valid visas here to Polish Jews who then perished, some of my relatives among them..all of these were true refugees who family members had pledged to fully support.

[Frau Kaiser Karl der Grosse]

Iggy - Charles Martel, aka Karl (der Hammer) Martel, was a Frank which does not mean he was "French." His father was from Herstel, Belgium, a city not far from Aachen, Germany.

Charles the Great (Charlemagne), grandson of Charles Martel, is recorded as having Ripuarian Frankish, an early German dialect, as his mother tongue.
Quelle surprise!

[Jane]

NEVER FORGET: Whistleblower Investigating Fraud in Broward County Shot Himself in the Head — But No Gun Was Found

A federal prosecutor’s body was discovered on a Hollywood, Florida beach in May 2017.

Beranton J. Whisenant, Jr. was handling several visa and passport fraud cases in Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s district in Broward County at the time of his death.

NEVER FORGET: Whistleblower Investigating Fraud in Broward County Shot Himself in the Head — But No Gun Was Found
Jim Hoft by Jim Hoft November 12, 2018 331 Comments

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A federal prosecutor’s body was discovered on a Hollywood, Florida beach in May 2017.

Beranton J. Whisenant, Jr. was handling several visa and passport fraud cases in Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s district in Broward County at the time of his death.
He was shot in the head.

Beranton J. Whisenant, Jr.’s body was found in May 2017 by a random individual. Local police investigated to determine if Whisenant’s death was a “homicide, suicide, or something else.”
Whisenant worked for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Miami in its major crimes unit. He was handling several visa and passport fraud cases in Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s district.

Officials later decided Beranton’s death was a suicide and he shot himself in the head.
But no gun was ever found.

The Sun-Sentinel reported:

Detectives and a medical examiner found Whisenant had shot himself in the head, Hollywood police said.

Police searched for two blocks north and south of the crime scene but couldn’t find the gun or any other weapon.

He was assigned to the Miami office of the U.S. Attorney’s Office and been hired as federal prosecutor a few months earlier.

More… Three whistleblowers ended up dead in Broward County.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/11/never-forget-whistleblower-investigating-fraud-in-broward-county-shot-himself-in-the-head-but-no-gun-was-found/

[lurkersusie]

iece
Features
The ruling class ignored the people; the people struck back.

By Charles Kesler’s reckoning, the populism that brought Trump to power emerged from the sound conservative instinct to rebel against the modern administrative state. Conservative voters elected the orange-haired real estate mogul to restore limited government! This is wishful thinking. Trump voters in 2016 were not the Claremont Institute’s well-catechized Publius Fellows. They went to the polls to elect a man whose signature public stances entailed rejecting the the postwar era’s political culture, including mainstream postwar conservatism.

https://americanmind.org/features/thinking-about-thinking-about-trump/in-search-of-populism/

[Tom Maguire]

Same with your phone. "Hey, Google." "Hey, Siri." "Hey, Cortana." I also have the Alexa app. They can't all be spying 24/7.

Well, now. I was driving my daughter to the airport and navigating with Google Maps on my Android phone.

My beloved daughter began complaining about how her smartphone had a deplorable negative attitude ever since she turned off the location tracker.

Now whenever she begins to type in her home address the phone is useless, making suggestions like 25 Maple Ave Indianapolis... 25 Maple Ave Boulder Co and so on when it ought to know damn well (as my daughter explained) where she lives.

Hoping to boost her spirits I said, "Yeah, why is your phone so passive-aggressive? Hey, Google, how are you going to turn that frown upside down?"

After about ten seconds my smart phone navigator chirped and said "I am sorry. I cannot help you with turning that frown upside down".

We are on our own, fellow humans.

[Frau Edith Steingehirn]

Clarice - FDR should live in infamy for his rejection of refugees from Hilter's horrors. He compounded it with the internment camps. (All the Japanese Americans disappeared from my southern CA neighborhood. I remember when they came back to school.)

Not only ships were turned back but airplanes as well. Not a great legacy for St. Delano, but how long did it take for the truth about Woodrow Wilson to come out?

[Captain Hate]

BREAKING: John McCain's family today said that McCain's final final dying wish was that McSally concede the election if it was at all close, in order to maintain the sense of comity in the US Senate.
Posted by: Count de Monet at November 13, 2018 12:25 PM (QLvwG)

[Frau Edith Steingehirn]

TM - in man against the machines, I think I know the winner.

[Frau Feind hoert mit]

CH - comity: mutual civility; courtesy

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

...and bipartisanship means doing it the democrats' way.

[Account Deleted]

Saint DuhLayNo (how it's pronounced in these parts) was a bigoted moron who left a vast wake behind his search for power 'in the name of dimocracy'.

https://densho.org/sold-damaged-stolen-gone-japanese-american-property-loss-wwii/

[Miss Marple]

I am home!! Thank goodness. I was excused because I was dubious about the plaintiff's ONLY witness being a chiropractor.

The plaintiff attorney (who made sure we knew he went to Butler and grew up in Fishers which is next door to Carmel, swank suburb of northside Indy) asked how we felt about chiropractors. When he got to me I said I was unsure, but that my sister had been a scrub nurse for an orthopedic surgeon for years and she felt like they were half-way between physical therapy and folk medicine.

I am pretty sure that comment got me excused which was deliberate on my part. HA!

I wouldn't have minded staying but let me tell you, attorneys on both sides were the most BORING speakers I had ever heard, and the trial was going to take two days. I would have been nodding off like Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

The other question that might have gotten me excused was about ifi ANY damages were two high. Some farmer-type guy brought up the Monsanto Round-Up case where the guy was awarded $280 million which he thought was ridiculous. I asked if that was pain and suffering or punitive damages. Lawyer gave me a furrowed-brow look at that comment, too.

Anyway, I have done my civic duty and hope I don't have to do it again until the weather is more pleasant. It's cold as heck outside with a pretty stiff breeze.

[Account Deleted]

wondering:

if it's true there are remote activation apps to turn on cell phone mics and cameras, then what is the safeguard within these audiobots from Azon, Googli, ZuckFace and other assets to guard against such infractions?

[Rocco]

Great Britian & the Holocaust: Jewish Agency Asks Britain to Bomb Death Camps

(August 18, 1944)

In August 1944, the Jewish Agency for Palestine wrote to the British Foreign Office, enclosing plans and descriptions of both the Auschwitz and Treblinka death camps, in hopes that they would be used by the British to plan an attack on the camps.

Original Jewish Agency Letter, Key to Auschwitz Plan and map of Auschwitz

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-agency-asks-britain-to-bomb-death-camps

[Strawman Cometh]

FDR couldn't risk losing his Klan support.

[henry]

what is the safeguard within these audiobots from Azon, Googli, ZuckFace and other assets to guard against such infractions?

public credulity,then shaming of sacrificial victims (eg Cambridge Analytics) to deflect blame when caught.

Oh, safeguards for the public? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha yer killin me.

[Pinandpuller]

So basically no Russian Collusion but I must teach you not to lie to the Witchsmeller Pursuivant:

Edmund in the Dock

https://youtu.be/fYJZqJezjz4

[Miss Marple]

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
5h5 hours ago

On Trade, France makes excellent wine, but so does the U.S. The problem is that France makes it very hard for the U.S. to sell its wines into France, and charges big Tariffs, whereas the U.S. makes it easy for French wines, and charges very small Tariffs. Not fair, must change!

[henry]

and I thought the CEO wanted to run for President in 2020:

CNBC Now @CNBCnow
14m

JUST IN: Starbucks to lay off 5% of its corporate workforce, or about 350 employees - Dow Jones

[Miss Marple]

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
5h5 hours ago

The problem is that Emmanuel suffers from a very low Approval Rating in France, 26%, and an unemployment rate of almost 10%. He was just trying to get onto another subject. By the way, there is no country more Nationalist than France, very proud people-and rightfully so!....

......MAKE FRANCE GREAT AGAIN!

[Miss Marple]

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
2h2 hours ago

By the way, when the helicopter couldn’t fly to the first cemetery in France because of almost zero visibility, I suggested driving. Secret Service said NO, too far from airport & big Paris shutdown. Speech next day at American Cemetery in pouring rain! Little reported-Fake News!

[Miss Marple]

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
1h1 hour ago

When will Bill Nelson concede in Florida? The characters running Broward and Palm Beach voting will not be able to “find” enough votes, too much spotlight on them now!

[Miss Marple]

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
49m49 minutes ago

The story in the New York Times concerning North Korea developing missile bases is inaccurate. We fully know about the sites being discussed, nothing new - and nothing happening out of the normal. Just more Fake News. I will be the first to let you know if things go bad!

[Old Lurker]

Really, Ext?

After what we saw Obama, Brennan and Clapper et al were perfectly happy to do with that "old" technology taxpayers gave them, and what we know Facebook and Google are happy to do to ensure we all think correctly, on what planet will the next crop of SJW Cubical Warriors not listen in when they want to?

[Miss Marple]

Archaeologists found 7 ancient tombs near Cairo. They contain dozens of mummified cats, scarabs, and a crocodile pic.twitter.com/vJOwmRlHhJ

— TicToc by Bloomberg (@tictoc) November 13, 2018

Video at link, and it's pretty cool.

[Dave (in MA)]

Moonbat logic:

converting a video stream to a GIF file for convenience on social media platforms = "doctored".

[Account Deleted]

i'm by no means anti-audiobots (Alexa etc)... we're laying groundwork for consumer bookings in custom and luxury travel bundles that are shopped on Amazon.

"Alexa--- find me a two week all inclusive mediterranean cruise with some nightly stays along the Amalfi coast."

Our agents will function as "affiliates" to assemble the inventory, include it as Amazon inventory, and handle the bookings and provide carriers with a real-time human contact to manage particulars to avoid the Expedia effect of mishandled details, a big flaw in self-booking travel happening more often than not.

so we're all in on the tech. our application will prove at least mildly disruptive to the order of self-booking platforms.

of course, all tech is abuseable in the "right hands."

algorithms are king.

[henry]

A fundraising enail I plan to ignore after laughing at (sorry porch, librarians will not get my money):

Yale's library system is a fantastic resource but its size and complexity can be intimidating to first-year students. The Personal Librarian Program for undergraduates matches every new student entering Yale College with a research librarian and is designed to help them become more comfortable using a large academic research library.

Diana Lopez’s ES ’19 first encounter with Jana Krentz, the Curator for the Latin American and Iberian collections, was when she received an email with the subject line “Greetings from Your Personal Librarian.” Diana and Jana immediately connected over their shared home state of Wisconsin. Jana developed into a mentor for Diana as she navigated the myriad of resources available at Yale both inside and outside the library system.

As an Ethnicity, Race, and Migration major, Diana has worked with Jana throughout her academic career including on her senior essay. “At first, Jana guided and encouraged me to seek out resources available to me as a 1st gen student. She helped me gain confidence to pursue new opportunities both academically and professionally. I have come to understand the power of librarians through the Personal Librarian program.”

[Pinandpuller]

Why are we refighting WWII? Some dumb kids made the Nazi salute on film. There's a campaign right now to criminally investigate them (free expression) get them booted from any college that accepted them and ruin any chance at future employment. We need internment camps for anti-SJW's. They're worse than child molestors. In fact, we need to have a conversation on age of consent but one thing at a time.

[Frau Feind hoert mit]

The characters running Broward and Palm Beach voting will not be able to “find” enough votes, too much spotlight on them now!

I disagree. The Lumpenpack will go on right before our eyes until the desired result is obtained.

[Account Deleted]

Bite yourself in the grave, Johnny McShame.

You cannot hook a U-haul to your hearse. It's over.
Called on account of darkness if you like.

[boatbuilder]

CNN sues WH over Acosta press pass. How could they possibly win?

Did they file suit in Hawaii?

[Old Lurker]

Henry "As an Ethnicity, Race, and Migration major, Diana"

You made that up, right Henry?